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Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 133	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:30:00 - [1] - Quote This is the best evidence compiled showing that the Gallente & Minmitar are not all good. Included in this you will begin to see why The Amarr & Caldari are NOT all bad. This is just to prove NONE of The 5 Empires are purely good. However this post is just specifically showing of Gallente & Minmitar. The Compiled Links http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/elokur-found-not-guilty-small-scale-riots-erupt/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/minmatar-react-to-senate-report-call-for-elokurs-freedom/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/minmatar-call-for-release-of-imprisoned-brutor-student/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/federation-minmatar-report-widespread-discrimination/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/conservative-senator-calls-republic-untrustworthy/?_ga=1.126687949.1394815453.1384801544 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jamyl_Sarum?_ga=1.90511322.1394815453.1384801544 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120041&find=unread https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caldari_Prime http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/clashes-on-caldari-prime-quelled-by-mordus-legion/ http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/black-eagles/ These are just the shinning top example Links I could find & their are countless more that show how good as well as bad ALL 5 Empires are. Let The Truth Be Revealed....
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3704	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:56:00 - [2] - Quote I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse. As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity. Amarr faithful, join PIE Inc, the oldest EVE/Dust Amarr loyal corporation! Amarr Victor!
Mistaahh Juvenile Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:57:00 - [3] - Quote Interesting. I enjoy gallentean's pornographic legacy the most. Rest? Meh. Ain't nothing I need except stone cold ISK.-Mistaahh Juvenile, neutral mercenary.
Mistaahh Juvenile Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:59:00 - [4] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse. As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity. I admire the Amarr and Caldari most, due to them being very though and determined. Ain't nothing I need except stone cold ISK.-Mistaahh Juvenile, neutral mercenary.
True Adamance Fatal Absolution 4560	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:07:00 - [5] - Quote Mistaahh Juvenile wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse. As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity. I admire the Amarr and Caldari most, due to them being very though and determined. That is what I admire about the Caldari....(( The Amarr no so much but I associate them with Space Marines so....well.....2m armoured giants, screaming litanies of hate and faith at their enemies...)) "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
DeadlyAztec11 2498	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:10:00 - [6] - Quote No of course we aren't all good. I just got back from eliminating a rogue agent while he was sleeping in the same bed with his wife. Boom. Struck right in the danger zone. But if we are messed up then the Caldari and Amarr are just despicable. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Mistaahh Juvenile Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:16:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mistaahh Juvenile wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse. As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity. I admire the Amarr and Caldari most, due to them being very though and determined. That is what I admire about the Caldari....(( The Amarr no so much but I associate them with Space Marines so....well.....2m armoured giants, screaming litanies of hate and faith at their enemies...)) Yes, I've found myself admiring caldari after their brains where splattered on my face, good fighters, annoying. Amarr, well, I'd rather not take another forge gun to the face, I think this is the biggest perk of being a neutral merc. I can kill anyone, but I 'm not to blame.. People do sometimes, though. I find that amusing. (So true xD) Ain't nothing I need except stone cold ISK.-Mistaahh Juvenile, neutral mercenary.
True Adamance Fatal Absolution 4564	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:30:00 - [8] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No of course we aren't all good. I just got back from eliminating a rogue agent while he was sleeping in the same bed with his wife. Boom. Struck right in the danger zone. But if we are messed up then the Caldari and Amarr are just despicable. Is that an act of evil as your people perceive it? Sound like it was duty and necessity to me. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
DeadlyAztec11 2500	Posted - 2013.12.06 00:06:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No of course we aren't all good. I just got back from eliminating a rogue agent while he was sleeping in the same bed with his wife. Boom. Struck right in the danger zone. But if we are messed up then the Caldari and Amarr are just despicable. Is that an act of evil as your people perceive it? Sound like it was duty and necessity to me. It was a lack of lawful justice. We should have brought him to a court of justice to be tried. But nope, we just killed him. I don't even think he was rogue, we never did get any hard evidence. Oh well. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 136	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:31:00 - [10] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse. As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity. True not all of the Amarr are good but then humans are imperfect & possibly it is impossible for a enitre government to be 110% good without 1 bad citizen

Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 721	Posted - 2013.12.06 22:29:00 - [11] - Quote I'm living proof that the gallente aren't all good. no one is. The amarr are vicious slavers with the most pervasive of problems: Faith that they cannot be wrong and never will be wrong. The gallente are run by a president and his(very well trained) thugs who'll silence anyone who speaks out. The caldari will cast you out to die if it leads to better profit margins. and the minmatar are stagnating with political infighting among the tribes preventing anything meaningful from getting done. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 373	Posted - 2013.12.07 00:29:00 - [12] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: The caldari will cast you out to die if it leads to better profit margins. While that's technically true, let's please remember that the ideal Caldari corporation and the ideal Gallente corporation are quite different things. The Gallentean corporation is a purely profit-seeking entity, a private device for making money. The ideal Gallente corporation produces nothing, employs no one, and rakes in the ISK. A Caldari corporation is the farthest thing from private, even as it follows the same structural model. The ideal Caldari corporation employs, protects, governs, and provides goods and services for a nation (or a substantial subset of one) in addition to raking in the ISK. The corporations have forgotten this at least once. The lower castes reminded them.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 721	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:47:00 - [13] - Quote but nothing is ideal my friend. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 375	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:56:00 - [14] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: but nothing is ideal my friend. Of course not. However, the ideal reflects what we work towards. A Gallentean corporation, even in principle, works to benefit its shareholders at the cost of all others-- customers, employees, the entire world. It is a wealth concentration device. A Caldari megacorporation is a societal governing structure. It aspires to no such limited end; its utility is in its value to the Caldari people. Profits are awfully nice, but the basic purpose differs: it is a governing as well as a corporate entity, and must fulfill a government's duties. A Gallentean corporation exists, in principle, for its shareholders. A Caldari corporation exists, in principle, for the Caldari.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 721	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:08:00 - [15] - Quote yup. 's why I like the caldari. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
sir ravenwing BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:40:00 - [16] - Quote we as human (merc or not) are far from flawless we are all corrupt in some way they are all terrible to me yet still i fight for them "Bring me a sane man and i shall cure him" - Sir Ravenwing
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 375	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:30:00 - [17] - Quote sir ravenwing wrote: we as human (merc or not) are far from flawless we are all corrupt in some way they are all terrible to me yet still i fight for them Well, they do pay you, after all. Regardless, yes, everybody's got their faults. Not only does every system have its downsides, you also invariably have that point where theory meets practice. "The way things are supposed to work" is a model, but one that isn't quite a reality no matter where you go.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 138	Posted - 2013.12.09 00:24:00 - [18] - Quote Glad to see all the thoughts going on around this
Agent Monroe Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.12.11 11:26:00 - [19] - Quote What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices. Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7402	Posted - 2013.12.11 12:44:00 - [20] - Quote So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 377	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:38:00 - [21] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so. And on what basis do you proclaim them "monsters"? Or being an enslaving zealot distinct from being a "human with flaws"? Slavery is practiced by several cultures, not just the Amarr, and requires no belief in a higher power to make it acceptable. All it requires is a cultural decision that ownership rights can extend to other humans. Some cultures embrace this idea; others discard it. The universe does not seem to pass judgment either way. Your ethics, Mr. Horned Wolf, are just as much a product of cultural programming, unsubstantiated by any relationship to an objective value (there seems to exist no such creature), as theirs are. Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4779	Posted - 2013.12.11 21:01:00 - [22] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so. And on what basis do you proclaim them "monsters"? Or being an enslaving zealot distinct from being a "human with flaws"? Slavery is practiced by several cultures, not just the Amarr, and requires no belief in a higher power to make it acceptable. All it requires is a cultural decision that ownership rights can extend to other humans. Some cultures embrace this idea; others discard it. The universe does not seem to pass judgment either way. Your ethics, Mr. Horned Wolf, are just as much a product of cultural programming, unsubstantiated by any relationship to an objective value (there seems to exist no such creature), as theirs are. Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall. I find this argument beautiful in a way I cannot articulate. It speaks of a certain elegance in the way your express yourself. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7438	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:34:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so. And on what basis do you proclaim them "monsters"? Or being an enslaving zealot distinct from being a "human with flaws"? Slavery is practiced by several cultures, not just the Amarr, and requires no belief in a higher power to make it acceptable. All it requires is a cultural decision that ownership rights can extend to other humans. Some cultures embrace this idea; others discard it. The universe does not seem to pass judgment either way. Your ethics, Mr. Horned Wolf, are just as much a product of cultural programming, unsubstantiated by any relationship to an objective value (there seems to exist no such creature), as theirs are. Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall. I find this argument beautiful in a way I cannot articulate. It speaks of a certain elegance in the way your express yourself. Cultural relativism is the refuge of the unjust. Any criminal can create a culture with his fellow a-holes, and say "but its just my cultural practice to murder and **", but that doesn't make it any less wrong. It is true that religion is not needed to practice slavery, but it sure helps if your holy book is encouraging you to do it. My distaste for the practice is not born from "cultural programming", but basic empathy; something the Amarr have allowed to be overwritten by their virulent faith. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt** Gû¦Gû+
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 377	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:25:00 - [24] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Cultural relativism is the refuge of the unjust. Any criminal can create a culture with his fellow a-holes, and say "but its just my cultural practice to murder and ***", but that doesn't make it any less wrong. It is true that religion is not needed to practice slavery, but it sure helps if your holy book is encouraging you to do it. My distaste for the practice is not born from "cultural programming", but basic empathy; something the Amarr have allowed to be overwritten by their virulent faith. The term for my outlook is flat-out "moral relativism." A slaver dog is not evil simply because it eats people given the chance; that is the proper way to live as a slaver dog. You may consider me unjust if you wish; I am indeed unjust, whether by your standards or those of my people, but that has very little to do with this belief. It is a quality common to my sect, and much of my faith. We try to do as is proper for us; we do not presume to dictate to others what is right for them. That does not prevent me from killing you for threatening what I love, only from claiming you are "evil" as a justification for doing it. I can look you in the eye, and admit your humanity-- admit, even, that regardless of our differences, under other circumstances we might have been friends-- then activate the virus that will corrupt your transfer and shoot you through the eye. It takes courage to kill someone you recognize as a fellow human being. It is easy to kill monsters. The trick of telling ourselves our enemies are less than human is called dehumanization. It's a technique used across New Eden to get soldiers to overcome their natural empathy, and also by xenophobes to persuade people to murder shopkeepers and janitors. The fascinating thing is that it works equally well in dictatorships and democracies. By believing that they slay monsters, those who lack the courage to kill a man gain the strength to pull the trigger. Insisting that your enemies are evil is the refuge of a moral coward. It's a common quality of those who cannot face the idea that those they kill are simply ... people. As for the linked topic of biological empathy, Mr. Horned Wolf, in humans it generally applies to a circle of about 140 people-- a small village. That is the sort of creatures we originally are, and is one of the reasons why you find it so easy to condemn those of other cultures: your biology allows, perhaps even encourages you, to condemn and murder those who are different from you. Civilization is largely about working around that limit by various means. The Amarr have done so successfully on an interplanetary scale for many thousands of years to a degree the Federation can only dream about. I would consider them enemies if they tried to conquer my homeworld, but that does not mean I cannot admire the accomplishment. *fictitious, as far as I know; included for clarity of meaning
GARRUS2 Vakarian Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:26:00 - [25] - Quote Agent Monroe wrote: What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices. Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice. HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mass Effect? anybody?
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4872	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:14:00 - [26] - Quote GARRUS2 Vakarian wrote: Agent Monroe wrote: What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices. Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice. HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Technically that is not true, the Gallente political systems are essentially controlled by massive voting blocs, if your ideals don't match up with those of the biggest then your votes mean nothing. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Disciple Of Kesha Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 25	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:46:00 - [27] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So the Minmatar and Gallente aren't perfect, they're humans with flaws. Better to be a human with flaws than a zealot monster that enslave billions; not even because of necessity (drones can do the jobs), but because some stupid unsubstantiated fairy-tale said so. And on what basis do you proclaim them "monsters"? Or being an enslaving zealot distinct from being a "human with flaws"? Slavery is practiced by several cultures, not just the Amarr, and requires no belief in a higher power to make it acceptable. All it requires is a cultural decision that ownership rights can extend to other humans. Some cultures embrace this idea; others discard it. The universe does not seem to pass judgment either way. Your ethics, Mr. Horned Wolf, are just as much a product of cultural programming, unsubstantiated by any relationship to an objective value (there seems to exist no such creature), as theirs are. Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall. Great arguments - I'm going to start quoting you. Or, to be more blunt, can you show me an inalienable human right? I'd like to mount one on my wall - Yun Hee Ryeon
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 165	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:02:00 - [28] - Quote The degree of arguing a point here is at a great level of understanding to which i'm glad to see. In RL I disapprove of slavery as I find it unneccesary in our world but when I came to New Eden I do as I always do when lookign at a new world. I came with the freshest perspective I could & looked at all 4 cultures. The Gallente & Amarr are my 2 favorite but I came to settle with The Amarr & they're culture for varying reasons. Which I have discussed & gone over. As you can see somewhat why from my first post to open this thread. True, humans do lie to themselves. If your threatening another culture & what they cherish/find dear then they will defend it. Recognising we are all human & then able to clearly fight them seeing them as they could've been your friend once is seeing The Truth. But we lie to ourselves & make it where we see others as "Monsters" or as "The Lord As The Flies" might say "The Beastie" in us all. That way it becomes easier to kill another & not dwell on it or to gain the courage to do so. Infact a anime called "Monster" somewhat covers this.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 165	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:20:00 - [29] - Quote GARRUS2 Vakarian wrote: Agent Monroe wrote: What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices. Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice. HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too bad it's the game's actual lore we're getting this from - I have the facts & the truth to which your arguement to it is "I'm Right - Your Wrong" sad & pathetic. Come Back with FACTS next time.... Or atleast a intelligent arguement....
echo47 Minmatar Republic 134	Posted - 2013.12.22 04:02:00 - [30] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: GARRUS2 Vakarian wrote: Agent Monroe wrote: What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices. Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice. HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too bad it's the game's actual lore we're getting this from - I have the facts & the truth to which your arguement to it is "I'm Right - Your Wrong" sad & pathetic. Come Back with FACTS next time.... Or atleast a intelligent arguement.... I need facts. What was the reclamation exactly and what was th e result? I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.



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