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Vinsarrow
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:30:00 -
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This is the best evidence compiled showing that the Gallente & Minmitar are not all good. Included in this you will begin to see why The Amarr & Caldari are NOT all bad. This is just to prove NONE of The 5 Empires are purely good. However this post is just specifically showing of Gallente & Minmitar.
The Compiled Links
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/elokur-found-not-guilty-small-scale-riots-erupt/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/minmatar-react-to-senate-report-call-for-elokurs-freedom/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/minmatar-call-for-release-of-imprisoned-brutor-student/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/federation-minmatar-report-widespread-discrimination/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/conservative-senator-calls-republic-untrustworthy/?_ga=1.126687949.1394815453.1384801544
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jamyl_Sarum?_ga=1.90511322.1394815453.1384801544
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120041&find=unread
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caldari_Prime
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/clashes-on-caldari-prime-quelled-by-mordus-legion/
http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/black-eagles/
These are just the shinning top example Links I could find & their are countless more that show how good as well as bad ALL 5 Empires are.
Let The Truth Be Revealed.... |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
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Posted - 2013.12.06 19:31:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I could give numerous examples showing the evils of the Gallente and Minmatar as well. Between the two, I'd say the former is much worse.
As far as the Amarr go, I admit to there being certain individuals with foul intentions, but that is only natural from an empire of this size. When you look at the body, the Amarr are the saviors of New Eden and the only ones offering a proposition that can lead to true peace and unity.
True not all of the Amarr are good but then humans are imperfect & possibly it is impossible for a enitre government to be 110% good without 1 bad citizen |
Vinsarrow
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:24:00 -
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Glad to see all the thoughts going on around this |
Vinsarrow
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:02:00 -
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The degree of arguing a point here is at a great level of understanding to which i'm glad to see.
In RL I disapprove of slavery as I find it unneccesary in our world but when I came to New Eden I do as I always do when lookign at a new world. I came with the freshest perspective I could & looked at all 4 cultures.
The Gallente & Amarr are my 2 favorite but I came to settle with The Amarr & they're culture for varying reasons. Which I have discussed & gone over. As you can see somewhat why from my first post to open this thread.
True, humans do lie to themselves.
If your threatening another culture & what they cherish/find dear then they will defend it.
Recognising we are all human & then able to clearly fight them seeing them as they could've been your friend once is seeing The Truth.
But we lie to ourselves & make it where we see others as "Monsters" or as "The Lord As The Flies" might say "The Beastie" in us all. That way it becomes easier to kill another & not dwell on it or to gain the courage to do so.
Infact a anime called "Monster" somewhat covers this. |
Vinsarrow
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:20:00 -
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GARRUS2 Vakarian wrote:Agent Monroe wrote:What are you talking about the Gallente are the light at the end of the tunnel. Go to the light, and you will live in prosperity. You can trust us knowing that your votes count and you have a part in your government. Also if you fight for us against the Caldari will will offer you premium items at discounted prices.
Watch out for slander from the Amarr and Caldari, they change the story to support their concepts. The so called facts were made by the "witnesses". Just remember to make the right choice. HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too bad it's the game's actual lore we're getting this from - I have the facts & the truth to which your arguement to it is "I'm Right - Your Wrong" sad & pathetic. Come Back with FACTS next time.... Or atleast a intelligent arguement.... |
Vinsarrow
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Posted - 2013.12.23 18:28:00 -
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Or if you were refering to what The Reclaiming is considered in our religion/culture it's basically the belief that God made the universe & it was meant for the faithful but over-time it was lost to the sinful & the corrupt. Thus god told The Amarr to "Reclaim" his lost creations & worlds.
Also to show the sinful the right way. But that's it in basic terms so I will bring you what our scriptures say.
Book Of Reclaiming
"I give to you the destiny of Faith,
And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:
Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13
"There will be neither compassion nor mercy;
Nor peace, nor solace
For those who bear witness to these Signs
And still do not believe."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10
"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen,
to bring forth the light of faith
And those who embrace his love
Shall be saved by his grace
For we are his shepherds in the darkness
His Angels of Mercy.
But those who turn away from his light,
And reject his true word
Shall be struck down by his wrath
For we are his retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance"
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45
And the Lord spoke, and said, Lo, my people,
Witness, for I have made the worlds of Heaven;
And these worlds I give to you, My Chosen,
So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.
None shall stand higher than you save the Sefrim,
Who serve Me as others shall serve you,
For all things under Me serve one higher;
So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.
As Garrulor rules the skies; as Frisceas rules the sea;
As Emperor rules Holder; as Holder rules Serf;
Yet all under Heaven serve Me;
So shall Amarr rule the worlds of the Heavens.
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.19 - 3.21
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Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
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Posted - 2013.12.23 18:43:00 -
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As being a Amarrian religous reformist I personally do not like The Amarr forcing they're will on others. That is why I understand the Minmitar I just reject they're continued hatred. I hope 1 day the 2 work together or something.
So I see The Book Of Reclaiming in a different way. I bleieve Reclaiming is only ok in defence or if land/territory is lost during a war or something. Then it can be reclaimed otherwise invading & taking worlds I do not approve of without a very high, reasonable & good reason.
The Book Of Reclaiming is seen & used differently by the emperors & Empresses. Some barely pay attention to it, some don't believe in it, some use it as reason for war campaign.
The Amarr has a very lloonnggg Authority Rank system. Though some rankings are close to each-other or near being the same class.
Not really counting other races since they're technically not in The Amarr Empire.
At the very bottom are those who's name is removed from The Book Of Life (I believe it's called) which has everyone's name it, for they're name to be removed from the book takes something unspeakable & extremely evil only some few have been removed from it & it's considered a far worse punishment then being a servant.
Servants are eventually redeemed those who have they're name struck from the book is beyond redemption in the living world. Then theirs servants, then they're keepers, then the normal population merchants, scholars and etc., then I think theirs the military, then theirs the military generals/advisers to The Emperor or Empress, then High Ranked Religous Advisers/Scholars to The Emperor or Empress, Then theirs The 5 Heirs, Then The Emperor &/or Empress, then The Speaker Of Truths, then The Sefrim a.k.a Angels from Heaven, then theirs God itself. |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
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Posted - 2013.12.23 19:09:00 -
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After the start of it all The Recliaming time basically died down alot. The majority of The Minmitar I assume was the only conqurored race that really were.... hostile? They never adapted to it? Not sure what the right term would be but they never intigrated with The Amarr like the other conquored races so The Amarr during the Minmitar servant time prior to The Republic being born you see The Amarr having come up with things like Slaver Hounds.
You don't find records prior to The Minmitar of such extentsive ideas & creations to keep the servants from being.... bad?. Atleast not to my knowledge.
Eventually The Minmitar somehow got ships & stuff (which The Amarr as well as everyone else still have no idea how they got everything) & rebelled, enough rebelled that they went on to form The Republic. Though some Minmitar remained & some stayed because they liked The Amarr.
It's all rather complex lore.... |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
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Posted - 2013.12.29 19:24:00 -
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Well I stated what they can find out on they're own. I was asked after-all. I'm open-minded & see things differently hince why i'm a Amarrian religious reformist but I find very little to change about the Amarr.
My arguement has sometimes been that The 4 Empires (not including The Jove) are not all good I find The Amarr to be least bad. But they aren't perfect none are it's impossible to be perhaps.
Dagger & the question brought forth some of the bad of The Amarr. But the apex of The Reclaiming was long ago sure it's still done to a extent but it's being done currently how I think it should be done.
I also just explained the ranking system best I can it's very complex.
The Empresses & The Emperors through-out Amarr history has seen & used the book of Reclaiming differently it usually varies.
Empress Jamyl the current Empress so far is 1 if not the best leader The Amarr has ever had & she has done many great things for The Amarr & others I have yet to see 1 bad thing about her I highly agree with everything she has done & is doing so far. |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:24:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:True Adamance wrote:Hawk-eye Occultus wrote:I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned Sansha's Nation. I mean, they seem to have some sort of utopian dream going on.
Granted, it does involve slave implants; but humans are too untrustworthy to be expected to make utopia without some sort of hook. Its more that the Nation strips from you your very sense of being and self....you are manipulated body and souls for the purposes of on man with a godcomplex. The Templar Crusader has the right of it. Sansha's Nation may once have had a valid path, but its Master is a paragon of arrogance. Arrogant actions cast ripples through the world, and those ripples bring consequences. The deeper the arrogance, the stronger the ripple-- or wave. The depth of Sansha Kuvakei's arrogance may be observed in the sheer numbers who have died, or, worse, lost their minds, their identities ... their souls, it seems safe even to say, in the great waves his arrogance has caused.
Ah so you know of it as well.... This relates to something I refer to as the ripple effect but it effects both sides - it is caused when 2 Factions face each-other with up to 7 or more alliances backing them both, the 2 sides engage in a massive "World War" of sorts effecting MANY groups & people, a type of butterfly effect but not exactly & it will be very deep, dramatic, relatively long & ruthless.
Eventually 1 side wins. The looser of course either falls apart completely destroyed or becomes a pathetic shell. But over time the winning side will feel the effects (ripples from the war sent down through a long period of time, eroding away the winner) thus slowly falling apart due to things caused by that war, eventually it reaches it's apex & the winner also will fall apart.
To this day I know only of 1 group that somewhat survived the ripple effect out of far over 25 groups.
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