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TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 98	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:36:00 - [1] - Quote How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ??
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1608	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:39:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Troll wrote: Yo dawg, I heard you didn't like being killed in half a second by Assault Rifles, so we added some more Assault Rifles for you My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3270	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:40:00 - [3] - Quote Yet another blueberry that has no clue what it's talking about. It took forever for them to nerf the flaylock, about two patches, this just started happening compared to other weapons nerf cycles. Most likely it will be rebalenced in 1.8 or 1.9. speak what you know, vermin.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2323	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:47:00 - [4] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? not to mention 'everyone and their mother' is only a fraction of the # that specced into previous FoTM... just sayin Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 128	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:48:00 - [5] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM CCP is going to gather data on the ScR for a patch or two before they make any adjustments to it. They are looking at the macro; how much damage has been dealt by the ScR by players in 30 days? How many players have been killed by the ScR in 30 days? How does that then compare to other light weapons? What dropsuits are being killed the most by the ScR? How often are damage mods being fitted to ScR wielders? To quote the mechromancer from Borderlands 2, "Numbers, numbers, math, math, math..." "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1979	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:49:00 - [6] - Quote Because if they nerf my PERFECTLY BALANCED SCR I will personally... 1) Obtain your IP Address 2) Call your ISP and acquire your physical address 3) Pay a visit to your physical address 4) Ask if TheD1ck is you 5) Punch you in the face "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5809	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:51:00 - [7] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Because if they nerf my PERFECTLY BALANCED SCR I will personally... 1) Obtain your IP Address 2) Call your ISP and acquire your physical address 3) Pay a visit to your physical address 4) Ask if TheD1ck is you 5) Punch you in the face I lol'd. I find it hilarious that a weapon hailed as perfectly balanced for months after release is picked up on as a viable weapon, so therefore it must be nerfed. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Darth-Carbonite GIO Dust2Dust. Top Men. 269	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:55:00 - [8] - Quote Funny how scramblers have been the same since Uprising, but the QQers are only complaining about it now Preeminent Scrambler Rifle User & Dropship Enthusiast
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1979	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:55:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Because if they nerf my PERFECTLY BALANCED SCR I will personally... 1) Obtain your IP Address 2) Call your ISP and acquire your physical address 3) Pay a visit to your physical address 4) Ask if TheD1ck is you 5) Punch you in the face I lol'd. I find it hilarious that a weapon hailed as perfectly balanced for months after release is picked up on as a viable weapon, so therefore it must be nerfed. Just the way these forums work. Back when SCR was released "Oh this weapon sucks ass!" Present day "Hmm the SCR ain't half bad.......NERF IT, NERF IT WITH FIRE!" "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 155	Posted - 2013.12.05 19:56:00 - [10] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? Flaylock... nerfed? Even with the reduction in blast radius, I can still OHK people with my fully skilled flaylock pistol. The real secret is that if you fully spec out and practice enough with just about any weapon in this game, then it can own people when used properly. That is the point of any weapon after all.

Darth-Carbonite GIO Dust2Dust. Top Men. 269	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:00:00 - [11] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Flaylock... nerfed? Even with the reduction in blast radius, I can still OHK people with my fully skilled flaylock pistol. The real secret is that if you fully spec out and practice enough with just about any weapon in this game, then it can own people when used properly. That is the point of any weapon after all. Well said. Preeminent Scrambler Rifle User & Dropship Enthusiast
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 196	Posted - 2013.12.05 20:02:00 - [12] - Quote One hit kill with a Flaylock, LOLWUT?!? Maybe a scout, that's about it.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 101	Posted - 2013.12.06 18:41:00 - [13] - Quote Damn, Looks like the general population are ok with it If it's true that its not changed since Uprising then, chances are this is caused by AA either way , scrambler rifles are killing unbelievably fast and it should be looked at
Rogue Saint Science For Death 581	Posted - 2013.12.06 18:44:00 - [14] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Flaylock... nerfed? Even with the reduction in blast radius, I can still OHK people with my fully skilled flaylock pistol. The real secret is that if you fully spec out and practice enough with just about any weapon in this game, then it can own people when used properly. That is the point of any weapon after all. Agreed. I've gone back to the FP, it gives me that warm fuzzy feeling when I get kills... I think its perfect. As for ScR, since I was using before any FotM idiots got hold of it, I still think its a balanced gun. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Bringing the dakka [The whiny Scout]
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 133	Posted - 2013.12.06 18:45:00 - [15] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Damn, Looks like the general population are ok with it If it's true that its not changed since Uprising then, chances are this is caused by AA either way , scrambler rifles are killing unbelievably fast and it should be looked at All the QQ was caused by people whose shield tanks were dropped instantly due to the SCR doing +20% damage to shields (with the laser rifle their QQ was unfortunately heard by CCP). Now people are armour tanking, because the SCR has -20% to armour. When the new rifles arrive things will even out. For the damage profiles see http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/11/weapons-of-uprising-1.7/
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1996	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:18:00 - [16] - Quote It's too accurate from the hip. My only complaint. It has range and is way too good in CQC. I use this thing often and you cannot tell me it is not ridiculous in CQC. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 495	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:18:00 - [17] - Quote the only thing that needs nerfing to tone down scrambler rifle power is the nerfing of a specific fitting. the scr alone on its own works pretty good for me on my cheap core skill specced into mlt fits. i dont actually think the gun with nothing but base stats unspecced into is op it self. id say its just the higher tiered fits that may need to be toned down a little. now with the stats incorporated into the scr with a certain amarr dropsuit and all the cooldown skills maxed out u can fire the semi auto version for an extremely long time. and get off several extremely powerful charge shots as well. i only see a few possible fixes without breaking the weapon and making it useless though. one possible fix could be reducing fire rate to some where around the current tac ar. and possibly increasing dispersion for it but its a laser weapon and the second option might make it less effective in cqc but it just doesnt sound like something a laser weapon would have. and sadly armor doesnt feel like it helps vs the scrambler rifle.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 438	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:23:00 - [18] - Quote Too much NERF we need everything 100% BUFFED like back in the good ol days! You know when this game was fun. Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ? CCP - MMO SoonGäó .
Tectonic Fusion 653	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:27:00 - [19] - Quote You know...the Scrambler Rifle is actually pretty weak without 2 complex damage mods. I used my Advanced on a an Advanced Gallente, and he literally took all of them until he killed me. And even with 1 complex damage mod on my Imperial (prof 3) I can't even take out a proto Gallente at 60 meters. His Duvolle was doing more damage than my Imperial was... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 608	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:30:00 - [20] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? i skilled into scram on day one. you know why? because there are no other long range rifles in the game thats why. now how is that fotm again?

Tectonic Fusion 653	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:33:00 - [21] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? i skilled into scram on day one. you know why? because there are no other long range rifles in the game thats why. now how is that fotm again? Laser Rifle? Honesty I skilled into most of the weapons including the Plasma Cannon (only level one...). The only weapons I haven't skilled into is the Flaylock Pistol and the heavy weapons, but I'm looking forward to the Rail/Combat Rifle. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 1176	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:39:00 - [22] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? Because the flaylock was clearly broken, and the Scrambler rifle was one of the few weapons recently that CCP actually delivered in a fairly balanced state. Now recently its seen a spike in popularity, certainly, but it has not actually changed or gained any power (save for the range buff in 1.7) . The perceived power of the weapon has far more to do with the (now declining) popularity of shield fits, which the scrambler rifle absolutely wrecks. All in all though - scrambler and assault rifles are both very solid, competitive weapons. All that to say - correlation =/= causation. People cried over the Flaylock because it was actually broken. CCP fixed the Flaylock because it was broken, not because people cried. And now, word is spreading that the Scrambler rifle is actually good and thus victims are complaining more (which they do about any weapon they frequently die to whether its OP or not). If the complaints about the Scrambler had been consistent all the way back to Uprising 1.0 it would be one thing.....but the community accepted that it was fine at the time, and for the most part it still is. As far as the future goes - too early to tell. CCP will watch how all this plays out with the new rifles, but Scrambler rifle users need not fear the nerfbat for the immediate future. Just because people are crying about it does not mean CCP recognizes it as a problem. If they do, I've missed a post or comment somewhere.
abarkrishna warravens 126	Posted - 2013.12.06 19:51:00 - [23] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? Because the flaylock was clearly broken, and the Scrambler rifle was one of the few weapons recently that CCP actually delivered in a fairly balanced state. Now recently its seen a spike in popularity, certainly, but it has not actually changed or gained any power (save for the range buff in 1.7) . The perceived power of the weapon has far more to do with the (now declining) popularity of shield fits, which the scrambler rifle absolutely wrecks. All in all though - scrambler and assault rifles are both very solid, competitive weapons. All that to say - correlation =/= causation. People cried over the Flaylock because it was actually broken. CCP fixed the Flaylock because it was broken, not because people cried. And now, word is spreading that the Scrambler rifle is actually good and thus victims are complaining more (which they do about any weapon they frequently die to whether its OP or not). If the complaints about the Scrambler had been consistent all the way back to Uprising 1.0 it would be one thing.....but the community accepted that it was fine at the time, and for the most part it still is. As far as the future goes - too early to tell. CCP will watch how all this plays out with the new rifles, but Scrambler rifle users need not fear the nerfbat for the immediate future. Just because people are crying about it does not mean CCP recognizes it as a problem. If they do, I've missed a post or comment somewhere. Speaking from a purely mathematical perspective it has the highest DPS of any weapon in the game except for the forge guns. When some guns have a DPS of 300 and others have a DPS of 900+ There is a large disparity in damage. With the aim assist that came with 1.6 TTK has gotten so low that many people jump to scramblers just for the increased damage output. Add in the fact that heat build up gets distributed over time rather than per shot you have some big problems. I feel the actual Damage of the scramble rifle is fine as it is supposed to be high damage long range gun. I suggest lowering the fire rate to bring it to an equal DPS of everything else. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
GRIM GEAR NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 109	Posted - 2013.12.06 20:06:00 - [24] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Funny how scramblers have been the same since Uprising, but the QQers are only complaining about it now Funny how CCP changed the scrambler rifle operations to allow a faster cool down rate to get more shots off without over heating; compared to the original reduced charged scrambler shot time which after lvl 5 operations let you charge a shot within 1.5 seconds instead of 2 seconds. Funny that! But you wouldn't know that would you because you skilled into the F.O.T.M It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
GRIM GEAR NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 109	Posted - 2013.12.06 20:09:00 - [25] - Quote GRIM GEAR wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Funny how scramblers have been the same since Uprising, but the QQers are only complaining about it now Funny how CCP changed the scrambler rifle operations to allow a faster cool down rate to get more shots off without over heating; compared to the original reduced charged scrambler shot time which after lvl 5 operations let you charge a shot within 1.5 seconds instead of 2 seconds. Funny that! But you wouldn't know that would you because you skilled into the F.O.T.M That's sad even a member of the CPM ^ It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 99	Posted - 2013.12.06 20:16:00 - [26] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? So if it's not the AR it's op?
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 99	Posted - 2013.12.06 20:17:00 - [27] - Quote Nice to see your still in dust grim
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 324	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:43:00 - [28] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? Because the flaylock was clearly broken, and the Scrambler rifle was one of the few weapons recently that CCP actually delivered in a fairly balanced state. Now recently its seen a spike in popularity, certainly, but it has not actually changed or gained any power (save for the range buff in 1.7) . The perceived power of the weapon has far more to do with the (now declining) popularity of shield fits, which the scrambler rifle absolutely wrecks. All in all though - scrambler and assault rifles are both very solid, competitive weapons. All that to say - correlation =/= causation. People cried over the Flaylock because it was actually broken. CCP fixed the Flaylock because it was broken, not because people cried. And now, word is spreading that the Scrambler rifle is actually good and thus victims are complaining more (which they do about any weapon they frequently die to whether its OP or not). If the complaints about the Scrambler had been consistent all the way back to Uprising 1.0 it would be one thing.....but the community accepted that it was fine at the time, and for the most part it still is. As far as the future goes - too early to tell. CCP will watch how all this plays out with the new rifles, but Scrambler rifle users need not fear the nerfbat for the immediate future. Just because people are crying about it does not mean CCP recognizes it as a problem. If they do, I've missed a post or comment somewhere. No You are completely and utterly wrong In fact you are so wrong you should step down as a CPM right now !!!! You are absolutely clueless !!!! I use the ScR and can see it's OP .. it's alpha damage is too high and it doesn't have a RoF cap, Charge shot can 1 hit most suits and 1.7 is going to increase its range ... it has the best of everything ... even if you disagree with the damage it does the biggest issue is the RoF .. it needs to have a RoF cap just like the TAC AR now has PS The reason people are now calling it OP is because of the improvements in hit detection in 1.6 .. with bad hit detection it was impossible to know that there was a problem with its damage and RoF ... with aim assist and better hit detection all that alpha damage is connecting and the full force is being felt hence why peopel are calling it OP and hence why so many more people are using it !!!! Making the comments contained in the bold above show a complete lack of knowledge and a huge amount of ignorance, how on earth did you become a CPM with logic as flawed as that ? Moron My Theme
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 109	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:49:00 - [29] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: the only thing that needs nerfing to tone down scrambler rifle power is the nerfing of a specific fitting. the scr alone on its own works pretty good for me on my cheap core skill specced into mlt fits. i dont actually think the gun with nothing but base stats unspecced into is op it self. id say its just the higher tiered fits that may need to be toned down a little. now with the stats incorporated into the scr with a certain amarr dropsuit and all the cooldown skills maxed out u can fire the semi auto version for an extremely long time. and get off several extremely powerful charge shots as well. i only see a few possible fixes without breaking the weapon and making it useless though. one possible fix could be reducing fire rate to some where around the current tac ar. and possibly increasing dispersion for it but its a laser weapon and the second option might make it less effective in cqc but it just doesnt sound like something a laser weapon would have. and sadly armor doesnt feel like it helps vs the scrambler rifle. If it says anything I actually dont even bother tanking my scout suits anymore. Its all ewar and a basic reactive just for the smidge of hp and the passive repper without the speed drop...Honestly due to the two weapons that make most others look like toys. I say base all the ranges for weapons except snipers and railtech weapons around the average size of the basses for the null cannons...But doubt this will happen. Both competing rifles 3 shot me anyway, might as well make them work to find me... Dedicated scout. Player bodyguard Pistol supremacy.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 401	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:51:00 - [30] - Quote Because the AR is still king.

THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 362	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:53:00 - [31] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: It's too accurate from the hip. My only complaint. It has range and is way too good in CQC. I use this thing often and you cannot tell me it is not ridiculous in CQC. I disagree about the range part. It honestly will be outperformed by a lazy AR user at any range. It's "OP" when a select few people are good with it. Similar to how people think tanks are OP because they can't kill a smart tanker. Or how a good scout can go 30/1. It does either need RoF cut (10-20% max) Accuracy cut while hip firing ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 293	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:58:00 - [32] - Quote Lol. Funny thing, i'm nerfproof: level 3 of ALL weapons. Level 3 of EVERY frame size, heavy 3, lolmando1, minlight3(scout1) minsault5,minlogi3, so go ahead, nerf my holy lamb AR. I'll just knife more. Murder Taxi Revivalist 28db I haz knife. Me get steak now? Why winmatar not allowed have bacon?
Oswald Rehnquist 794	Posted - 2013.12.07 06:59:00 - [33] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: All that to say - correlation =/= causation. People cried over the Flaylock because it was actually broken. CCP fixed the Flaylock because it was broken, not because people cried. And now, word is spreading that the Scrambler rifle is actually good and thus victims are complaining more (which they do about any weapon they frequently die to whether its OP or not). If the complaints about the Scrambler had been consistent all the way back to Uprising 1.0 it would be one thing.....but the community accepted that it was fine at the time, and for the most part it still is. . The frontline rifles were balanced off of bad HD, CCP wanted them to still be good despite this so gave them game breaking numbers. With HD "working" these numbers are coming out in full force, its just TTK did not go down because nothing change TTK went down because it made rapid fire much more powerful. Its not just the ScR either, but the ScR is one of the broken weapons, yes. Below 28 dB
ReGnYuM Vindictive State 1457	Posted - 2013.12.07 07:00:00 - [34] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? Because the flaylock was clearly broken, and the Scrambler rifle was one of the few weapons recently that CCP actually delivered in a fairly balanced state. Now recently its seen a spike in popularity, certainly, but it has not actually changed or gained any power (save for the range buff in 1.7) . The perceived power of the weapon has far more to do with the (now declining) popularity of shield fits, which the scrambler rifle absolutely wrecks. All in all though - scrambler and assault rifles are both very solid, competitive weapons. All that to say - correlation =/= causation. People cried over the Flaylock because it was actually broken. CCP fixed the Flaylock because it was broken, not because people cried. And now, word is spreading that the Scrambler rifle is actually good and thus victims are complaining more (which they do about any weapon they frequently die to whether its OP or not). If the complaints about the Scrambler had been consistent all the way back to Uprising 1.0 it would be one thing.....but the community accepted that it was fine at the time, and for the most part it still is. As far as the future goes - too early to tell. CCP will watch how all this plays out with the new rifles, but Scrambler rifle users need not fear the nerfbat for the immediate future. Just because people are crying about it does not mean CCP recognizes it as a problem. If they do, I've missed a post or comment somewhere. The ScR is beyond broken and that is not even with the Amarr bonus which just makes it retarted. For starters, you do not give a ranged weapon high stopping power and High RoF. However I will go with the flow, its not me who will be getting smashed by it. If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Minmatar Crub Stomp
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 371	Posted - 2013.12.07 12:33:00 - [35] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM CCP is going to gather data on the ScR for a patch or two before they make any adjustments to it. They are looking at the macro; how much damage has been dealt by the ScR by players in 30 days? How many players have been killed by the ScR in 30 days? How does that then compare to other light weapons? What dropsuits are being killed the most by the ScR? How often are damage mods being fitted to ScR wielders? To quote the mechromancer from Borderlands 2, "Numbers, numbers, math, math, math..." By this the AR must be off the chart One day my shotgun will run out ammo 1.7 is the day if I fight or i give up
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 47	Posted - 2013.12.07 12:49:00 - [36] - Quote from what I see of it, in the right hands the SCR is extremely lethal. when I use it, its not so great as I am slow at clicking the trigger. saying that I honestly think that the AR crowd QQ anytime a non AR kills them, also shield tankers will suffer more than most. personally I would reduce the potential ROF a little and then its fine imo.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 503	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:11:00 - [37] - Quote Was having a discussion about this a few days ago and we settled on decreasing the damage of the uncharged shots by a great amount but increasing the charge shot multiplier so the damage of those shots would stay the same.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 503	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:15:00 - [38] - Quote Oh and by the way CPM - Flaylock needs to be buffed now to take it place somewhere between the scrambler pistol and SMG CCP can break out their fancy charts again and look at its current use
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4491	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:21:00 - [39] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Funny how scramblers have been the same since Uprising, but the QQers are only complaining about it now Actually their bonus changed. Dat increased cooldown speed. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 554	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:22:00 - [40] - Quote Fix the heat bypass glitch and I wouldn't mind. but I don't use Scr so I have no opinion. That said a corp mate demonstrated that he could empty a clip and a half of the assault variant (no glitch) and only then overheat. Doesn't sound like much of a compensation to me. But like I said, I don't use it so I can't really say "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"

The Baby Shaker Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 32	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:43:00 - [41] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Fix the heat bypass glitch and I wouldn't mind. but I don't use Scr so I have no opinion. That said a corp mate demonstrated that he could empty a clip and a half of the assault variant (no glitch) and only then overheat. Doesn't sound like much of a compensation to me. But like I said, I don't use it so I can't really say The heat glitch needs to be fixed soon, more and more people are doing it. I'm too drunk to taste this chicken
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 802	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:05:00 - [42] - Quote GRIM GEAR wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Funny how scramblers have been the same since Uprising, but the QQers are only complaining about it now Funny how CCP changed the scrambler rifle operations to allow a faster cool down rate to get more shots off without over heating; compared to the original reduced charged scrambler shot time which after lvl 5 operations let you charge a shot within 1.5 seconds instead of 2 seconds. Funny that! But you wouldn't know that would you because you skilled into the F.O.T.M Hey smart guy... ...they changed the bonus because it didn't affect ASCR users in the slightest. Why make a bonus for a gun that the other version can't benefit from? Now, walk over to that corner, put your head down and think about what you said. And before you say "another FoTM player", I have been a SCR user since the second they were introduced. PurificationGäó It's what I do.
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 79	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:33:00 - [43] - Quote The ScR is great against shield tanked suits but most of them time I have to almost over heat my weapon to kill a decent armor tanked medium suit and I cannot kill a heavy without overheating the weapon, and that is with a proto weapon and double damage mods. I mean heavies have so much HP with out be a shame if you could kill them quickly... o wait, I can do that with the AR and no damage mods with ammo to spare in about 1.5 seconds.
GRIM GEAR NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 110	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:49:00 - [44] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: GRIM GEAR wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Funny how scramblers have been the same since Uprising, but the QQers are only complaining about it now Funny how CCP changed the scrambler rifle operations to allow a faster cool down rate to get more shots off without over heating; compared to the original reduced charged scrambler shot time which after lvl 5 operations let you charge a shot within 1.5 seconds instead of 2 seconds. Funny that! But you wouldn't know that would you because you skilled into the F.O.T.M Hey smart guy... ...they changed the bonus because it didn't affect ASCR users in the slightest. Why make a bonus for a gun that the other version can't benefit from? Now, walk over to that corner, put your head down and think about what you said. And before you say "another FoTM player", I have been a SCR user since the second they were introduced. I knew before I posted that the previous operation skill did not affect the ASCR, I also skilled into scrambler rifles when they were first released.......... So in other words... that's nice dear. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 238	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:59:00 - [45] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: It's too accurate from the hip. My only complaint. It has range and is way too good in CQC. I use this thing often and you cannot tell me it is not ridiculous in CQC. I disagree about the range part. It honestly will be outperformed by a lazy AR user at any range. It's "OP" when a select few people are good with it. Similar to how people think tanks are OP because they can't kill a smart tanker. Or how a good scout can go 30/1. It does either need RoF cut (10-20% max) Accuracy cut while hip firing I am behind these changes. Especially hip fire spread.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 240	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:21:00 - [46] - Quote Well I'm gonna blame this on logi slayers Scr is held back by insane fitting cost But well logi slayers have even more insane pg cpu available Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Fear is a choice, I choose not to let it control me.
steadyhand amarr Scions of Athra 2031	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:23:00 - [47] - Quote except i hardly ever run into other SCR users...that or a kill them and never notice the rifle in my kill feed :P "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 352	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:43:00 - [48] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? Because the flaylock was clearly broken, and the Scrambler rifle was one of the few weapons recently that CCP actually delivered in a fairly balanced state. Balance is such a subjective term. If the ScR and AR are "balanced" then all the other weapons are extremely lacking. Buff those weapons to "balance" levels and let's watch the TTK go even lower. But it's only fair right? I like the ScR because it pisses off the AR users to no end but cmon AR class>all other weapons in this game. It's not even close.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1448	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:48:00 - [49] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Damn, Looks like the general population are ok with it If it's true that its not changed since Uprising then, chances are this is caused by AA either way , scrambler rifles are killing unbelievably fast and it should be looked at I find assault rifles to kill even faster most of the time. Why are you not complaining about that? "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Judal Wraith The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 0	Posted - 2013.12.07 23:09:00 - [50] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: [quote=Aisha Ctarl] I find it hilarious that a weapon hailed as perfectly balanced for months after release is picked up on as a viable weapon, so therefore it must be nerfed. that's what im saying it was balanced FOTM runners went and ruined it fo everyone

1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 647	Posted - 2013.12.08 00:31:00 - [51] - Quote Judal Wraith wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: [quote=Aisha Ctarl] I find it hilarious that a weapon hailed as perfectly balanced for months after release is picked up on as a viable weapon, so therefore it must be nerfed. that's what im saying it was balanced FOTM runners went and ruined it fo everyone And yet I have hardly met anyone other than the well known names to give me a challenge, your'e all trying to balance a weapon by its effectiveness at killing Dumb shield tankers, MLT and STD sutis in public contract games where people run around like headless chickens waiting to be taken out in under a second. In PC the weapon is balanced against everything else; its extremely powerful in the right situation but will lose a prolonged fight up close, even with an Assault ak.0. Duvolle is still king, just not in Pubs anymore. The Sinwarden
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 108	Posted - 2013.12.08 11:56:00 - [52] - Quote In regards to AR, yes I do think it's clip size is way to much ( could be halved ) And it looks like I have upset quite a few SR users, but a couple here have the sportsmanship to agree its OP so obviously if there is a chunk of the playerbase being OHK by it and it's own users agree it's OP then , something needs to be looked at as I don't use it I won't suggest anything , you guy's are better suited
Seigfried Warheit 75	Posted - 2013.12.08 12:43:00 - [53] - Quote Everything that becomes FOTM gets called op and eventually nerfed...
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 108	Posted - 2013.12.08 12:48:00 - [54] - Quote yup, pretty much that is the case but it needs to be, seen as realistically we are still playing a Beta things will be changed , for better and for worse Aim-assist seems to be the real enemy though, I would love to see it completely removed and bring the skill back to Dust !!!!!!
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 205	Posted - 2013.12.08 13:16:00 - [55] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: the only thing that needs nerfing to tone down scrambler rifle power is the nerfing of a specific fitting. the scr alone on its own works pretty good for me on my cheap core skill specced into mlt fits. i dont actually think the gun with nothing but base stats unspecced into is op it self. id say its just the higher tiered fits that may need to be toned down a little. now with the stats incorporated into the scr with a certain amarr dropsuit and all the cooldown skills maxed out u can fire the semi auto version for an extremely long time. and get off several extremely powerful charge shots as well. i only see a few possible fixes without breaking the weapon and making it useless though. one possible fix could be reducing fire rate to some where around the current tac ar. and possibly increasing dispersion for it but its a laser weapon and the second option might make it less effective in cqc but it just doesnt sound like something a laser weapon would have. and sadly armor doesnt feel like it helps vs the scrambler rifle. This is pretty much it - the fire rate... if they tone it down a bit I think the weapon will be balanced.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2906	Posted - 2013.12.08 13:21:00 - [56] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? Flaylock... nerfed? Even with the reduction in blast radius, I can still OHK people with my fully skilled flaylock pistol. The real secret is that if you fully spec out and practice enough with just about any weapon in this game, then it can own people when used properly. That is the point of any weapon after all. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2906	Posted - 2013.12.08 13:27:00 - [57] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? Because the flaylock was clearly broken, and the Scrambler rifle was one of the few weapons recently that CCP actually delivered in a fairly balanced state. Now recently its seen a spike in popularity, certainly, but it has not actually changed or gained any power (save for the range buff in 1.7) . The perceived power of the weapon has far more to do with the (now declining) popularity of shield fits, which the scrambler rifle absolutely wrecks. All in all though - scrambler and assault rifles are both very solid, competitive weapons. All that to say - correlation =/= causation. People cried over the Flaylock because it was actually broken. CCP fixed the Flaylock because it was broken, not because people cried. And now, word is spreading that the Scrambler rifle is actually good and thus victims are complaining more (which they do about any weapon they frequently die to whether its OP or not). If the complaints about the Scrambler had been consistent all the way back to Uprising 1.0 it would be one thing.....but the community accepted that it was fine at the time, and for the most part it still is. As far as the future goes - too early to tell. CCP will watch how all this plays out with the new rifles, but Scrambler rifle users need not fear the nerfbat for the immediate future. Just because people are crying about it does not mean CCP recognizes it as a problem. If they do, I've missed a post or comment somewhere. The ScR is beyond broken and that is not even with the Amarr bonus which just makes it retarted. For starters, you do not give a ranged weapon high stopping power and High RoF. However I will go with the flow, its not me who will be getting smashed by it. I can't belive I'm saying this. I really truly can't. But: I agree with you. Now excuse me while I wash my mouth out, not with soap, but with acid. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
ThePlayerkyle13 PlayerArmy Industries 20	Posted - 2013.12.08 13:35:00 - [58] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: How come when the Flaylock pistol was rampaging in Dust, people cried and CCP acted now we have Scrambler rifles hitting obscene amounts of DMG, clearly FOTM seen as everyone and their mother has spec'd into it yet.... CCP seem to have not noticed ...... Any opinions on this ?? It wasn't the people that were complaining about the gun, CCP Nerfed the Flay Pistol cos of high kill per second it was getting than any of the guns in the game. if you look at the patch notes thats the reason the Flay Pistol was Nerfed.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 110	Posted - 2013.12.08 13:35:00 - [59] - Quote Just don't mistake my point here, Flaylock was too powerful and it got 'nerfed' but like people here have pointed out It still works, and I know it does , I use one now we have the Scrambler Rifle, clearly too powerful nothing being done .... yet I am not asking for it to be nerfed to uselessness but c'mon ...... It's even more annoying than an AR and I F***ing hate AR's So like we have clarified the Flaylock still works, so there is light at the end of the tunnel for the Scrambler users, It needs to be brought into line with other weapons which will be easier once RR and CR are released
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 110	Posted - 2013.12.08 13:37:00 - [60] - Quote Sinboto, finish washing your mouth with that acid .......... then go back to being OHK by your arch-enemies weapon of choice



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