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Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:08:00 - [31] - Quote Niuvo wrote: I get mad at ppl that don't understand our plight. we are incredibly underpowered. We're asking for balance. a niche for scouts to be good at. to be needed in pc. We want new scouts to play and stay and not go to the med masses. They should read what the scout can do and love it. Right now we are trying way too hard and the suits are so unbalanced. we need cloak. Going 25/1 or higher in pub where the plebeian can see our score and after read our post probably doesnt help
R F Gyro Clones 4u 782	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:18:00 - [32] - Quote How about a smaller hitbox rather than more HP? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
CrotchGrab 360 Commando Perkone Caldari State 429	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:20:00 - [33] - Quote It doesn't matter if you run at 10m/s ARs will lock onto you and auto-aim spam you to death in half a second You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
Assert Dominance 0bamacare 539	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:31:00 - [34] - Quote Evan Gotabor wrote: You just have to find the good weapon and not to be too stupid when you attack and the scout is not that bad. It could be better, but it can do a great job. I run a light BASIC proto gallente suit with 2 assault pistol and I don't even have 6 million SP on the scout character. It work very well, at maximal I have done things like 16/3/1. And believe me, it is just funny to see logi-assault and heavy-assault who are thinking themselves as gods die like they deserve. lolololpub, i went 53-3 in a dragonfly suit with std shotty anf TT-3 (yes i have proof...) doesnt mean the suit is viable by any means LOGIC! NO! IT BURRRRNNNSSS!!!!!!
ELITE INQUISITOR Eternal Beings 40	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:36:00 - [35] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Seeth Mensch wrote: Not a whiner question, seriously. I have been skilling into things that I thought benefited scouts, and running those Black eagles really showed me some of the fun. I have a scout suit BPO, and of course I'm made of tissue, but I manage to occasionally nail some of the redberries. What am I missing that frustrates all the routine scout players? nothing. They just like to cry. Scouts aren't for the front line. Some players are amazing and make it work but that's definitely the exception and not the rule Let me pose a question then. What is the rule for scouts? If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 1631	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:46:00 - [36] - Quote All the whining about Scouts gave me the idea for this fit. The idea is to never engage in close and medium range. I've tried it and had a lot of fun. It is fast as hell, you know where your enemies are and you can't really be scanned. With this, you can give Intel to your Squad along with some sniping support. The Flaylock is a last resort is someone gets too close or if you want to execute a victim that is clueless of your presence. This will stay amongst my permanent Fittings! 'Dragonfly' Scout [nSv] 'Covenant' Sniper Rifle 'Splashbone' Flaylock Pistol Duvolle Quantum Active Scanner Complex Profile Dampener Complex Kinetic Catalyser Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 529	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:50:00 - [37] - Quote Scouts desperately need a second EQ slot without sacrificing the side-arm. Obviously more CPU/PG to fit it. They need to be the ones using scanners the best, not Logis.
Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:50:00 - [38] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Evan Gotabor wrote: You just have to find the good weapon and not to be too stupid when you attack and the scout is not that bad. It could be better, but it can do a great job. I run a light BASIC proto gallente suit with 2 assault pistol and I don't even have 6 million SP on the scout character. It work very well, at maximal I have done things like 16/3/1. And believe me, it is just funny to see logi-assault and heavy-assault who are thinking themselves as gods die like they deserve. lolololpub, i went 53-3 in a dragonfly suit with std shotty anf TT-3 (yes i have proof...) doesnt mean the suit is viable by any means True, and im sure you can do the same with a commando, sadly ppl will think the suit is good because of this
Seeth Mensch highland marines 69	Posted - 2013.12.06 00:19:00 - [39] - Quote Ana mazing set of ansswers. KINd of tells me where i need to apply my points. I Guess i will keep running the scout suit as a secondary. Sorry a out sloppy typing , phone doesnt cope well. Certainly you have to be a lot more tactical--i think i will roll around with my sniper fit a little more often. My main labor of lovr has been the plasma cannon; i wanted a one hit killer tha i could use vs vehicles. Thanks everyone for answering. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1314	Posted - 2013.12.06 00:30:00 - [40] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lack of HP Lack of Sensors (pff 16 meters? should be like 30+) Lack of Stealth (half it) Lack of utility (give em 2 equipment slots) Lack of Strafe (remove the strafe cap) Scanners should be tied into the suits own DB resolution numbers TTK of medium ranged weapons is too powerful. Pretty much, like your scanner idea its very interesting Cat Merc's scanner idea ^.^ I support SP rollover.

Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1314	Posted - 2013.12.06 00:34:00 - [41] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: 4: Like I stated in #1, kincats, as well as many other modules that are considered to be Scout things has harsh CPU/PG requirements, yet the Scout has the lowest CPU/PG in the game. Actually I have to agree with this one! Actually I thik that may be the solution to make scouts more viable! BIOTICS!!!! All scout suits should receive a fitting bonus for using ANY of the BIOTICS! Wanna run fast, fit a biotic. Wanna run longer or recuperate faster, fit a biotic. Wanna hit harder, fit a biotic. That's what is needed. Like it. A lot. This integrates nicely with Cat Merc's suit-leveraging equipment(scanners/dampers) idea. This would be the core of the platform i'd build the scout class on. I support SP rollover.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 168	Posted - 2013.12.06 00:43:00 - [42] - Quote Anarchide wrote: All the whining about Scouts gave me the idea for this fit. The idea is to never engage in close and medium range. I've tried it and had a lot of fun. It is fast as hell, you know where your enemies are and you can't really be scanned. With this, you can give Intel to your Squad along with some sniping support. The Flaylock is a last resort if someone gets too close or if you want to execute a victim that is clueless of your presence. This will stay amongst my permanent Fittings! 'Dragonfly' Scout [nSv] 'Covenant' Sniper Rifle 'Splashbone' Flaylock Pistol Duvolle Quantum Active Scanner Complex Profile Dampener Complex Kinetic Catalyser Or you could put the same fit on a Logi & have a nanohive, Drop uplink, & enough eHP to at least survive one sniper round. As others have said however, Sniping right now is all about DMG mods & armor. Which any suit can do better BTW.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 1632	Posted - 2013.12.06 04:12:00 - [43] - Quote The principal way to use this Fitting is to stay hidden so you can scan for your squad. You snipe only when you're out enemy range. Thus you don't really need shield and armor. Plus you got way more mobility and stealth, at lesser cost, than "better" Fittings. Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
AWESOME AUTISTIC Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 0	Posted - 2013.12.06 04:27:00 - [44] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: R F Gyro wrote: I use scout suits tactically. My "uplink runner" suit is fast and stealthy and is good at getting uplinks down behind enemy lines. Sometimes I'll get an opportunity kill with it, but that's not really the point. Of course, that doesn't make me a scout, just someone who occasionally uses a scout suit. while I recognize the "scout isn't a slayer" argument, I have 4 million of 11 into my suit. it's my main I don't have another suit. while it isn't my job sometimes being a slayer is unavoidable. we do run into people, we aren't invisible sometimes they see us. and at that point we need to have a suit that works in 1v1 and 2v1 combat. also if I sneaky bastard my way up behind someone hacking and shoot them in the back THEY SHOULD DIE not turn around and murder me. that's not cool man. ^^^^^^ Thank you thank you thank you thank you, would like this indefinitely if I could. I specialize in ridiculousness. 'You don't talk to strangers, you shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Scout Devotee.
AWESOME AUTISTIC Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 0	Posted - 2013.12.06 04:34:00 - [45] - Quote I'm a scout. I love running scout suits. I love the scout role. I WILL NOT use Logi BECAUSE I RUN SCOUT. Need I say more? I specialize in ridiculousness. 'You don't talk to strangers, you shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Scout Devotee.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 705	Posted - 2013.12.06 04:36:00 - [46] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: I use scout suits tactically. My "uplink runner" suit is fast and stealthy and is good at getting uplinks down behind enemy lines. Sometimes I'll get an opportunity kill with it, but that's not really the point. Of course, that doesn't make me a scout, just someone who occasionally uses a scout suit. I can tell that you are not playing scout as your main. You are playing it for lolz. Spawn at beginning of game drop a couple of uplinks and switch to main. Nothing wrong with it but it's not a role. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 705	Posted - 2013.12.06 04:39:00 - [47] - Quote Anarchide wrote: The principal way to use this Fitting is to stay hidden so you can scan for your squad. You snipe only when you're out enemy range. Thus you don't really need shield and armor. Plus you got way more mobility and stealth, at lesser cost, than "better" Fittings. If you want to 'stay hidden' you can stay in the MCC the whole game. No one gonna find you there. Hey, you don't even need a scout for it - you can do it in a heavy. If you want to scan for your squad, everyone has seen that logi works way better for it. Nuff said. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 103	Posted - 2013.12.06 04:46:00 - [48] - Quote the lack of optical camouflage, and the VERY open maps also the speed of the suit( strafe , walking and running) Me and my inner demons stopped fighting......We are on the same side now...
Vyuru Bojo's School of the Trades 25	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:16:00 - [49] - Quote Oddly enough I have no problem with the big open maps. I can normally find hills/valleys/contours to hide behind while I go out of my way hunting stragglers and snipers. People already said it quite well what the current issues with scouts are, nothing to add there. Somewhat sad that the Min Logi does what I want a scout to do better than a scout. Toss on a enhanced or complex Kincat/Cardio/Dampener, RE/Drop Uplinks/Other, weapon of choice, shield extenders/others, grenades if enough PG, and I'm out performing my Adv Minnie scout. And I use my Sever JUST like I use my scout. Scouts are fun, but they are becoming less so, kinda rapidly. They really really REALLY need work, and I'd almost say a complete overhaul at this point. I'm going to include what I consider our main weapons, Shotguns and maybe Nova Knives, don't know about the knives, haven't used 'em in awhile. TTK is far too short, and now there is little to no penalty for armor tanking. A well tanked logi can take 3 shots to kill, and if I remember right that includes getting in a headshot. Let that sink in, especially when people glibly talk about "Oh, just ambush someone". It takes half a second to gun down a scout in CQC, ample time to turn around and kill the scout that ambushed you whilst you were hacking. Ya know, I don't mind a challenge, I don't mind it being hard mode. But does it have to be Demon's Souls Dark World Tendency New Game 7+ Valley of Defilement, or even better, Tower of Latria, with a lvl 10 character and no upgraded weapons/magics, difficult? And this is coming from someone who played DS in PBWT because he liked the challenge. Although granted, never made it past NG 3.
element0mega Elements Of Death Elite 54	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:19:00 - [50] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: i can answer you in 2 pages but i'll keep it short and sweet. our speed doesnt benefit us when 80% maps are pure open. our scanning barely picks up a heavy 5m away. a medium suit can do EVERYTHING we can, better... (except profile damp) our health doesnt allow us to kill well fit med frames without getting straight up turned on --- our base stamina, sprint, and strafe for what we are is laughable at best --- we dont have any kind of niche, just poor souls playing extreme mode. why be scout when you can be logi and do whatever you want... even gal assault can make an excellent scout. Quoted for the truth.

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2831	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:23:00 - [51] - Quote Our melee bonus is still useless by the way. Nearly unmatched in hand to hand combat my rear end. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
nor asha Turbo Bros inc. 52	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:27:00 - [52] - Quote Let me use an example from eve online The burst used to have 2 mids, 2 lows, 2 highs The rifter had 3 mids, 3 lows, 4 highs Then one day, 8 years later CCP listened to the community by hiring one of us to work at CCP Now the Burst has 3, lows, 3 mid, 3 highs Now the burst doesn't suck Questions?
mollerz Minja Scouts 1182	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:29:00 - [53] - Quote nor asha wrote: Let me use an example from eve online The burst used to have 2 mids, 2 lows, 2 highs The rifter had 3 mids, 3 lows, 4 highs Then one day, 8 years later CCP listened to the community by hiring one of us to work at CCP Now the Burst has 3, lows, 3 mid, 3 highs Now the burst doesn't suck Questions? Um... like? #shittycoding
Vyuru Bojo's School of the Trades 27	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:31:00 - [54] - Quote That is it! CCP, you may hire me as your Scout Consultant. I shall help you fix scouts, QA your game, and woo your sexy icelandic women!
nor asha Turbo Bros inc. 53	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:32:00 - [55] - Quote AWESOME AUTISTIC wrote: I'm a scout. I love running scout suits. I love the scout role. I WILL NOT use Logi BECAUSE I RUN SCOUT. Need I say more? One day when you've got enough skill points you'll run around in your minimatar logi with 9 slots instead of 5, 3 equipment slots instead of 1, and pretty much the same base speed I've got 10 million points into my scout set up and my standard level gallente suit has only one less slot, a ton more base hp and gets me more kills per match with the same laser/remote mines speed set up. Which is funny to me becuase I don't have any skills in ARs or medium suits....
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 269	Posted - 2013.12.06 06:04:00 - [56] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lack of HP Lack of Sensors (pff 16 meters? should be like 30+) Lack of Stealth (half it) Lack of utility (give em 2 equipment slots) Lack of Strafe (remove the strafe cap) Scanners should be tied into the suits own DB resolution numbers TTK of medium ranged weapons is too powerful. Quoting because of absolute truth. So many nails, so many heads.
AWESOME AUTISTIC Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 3	Posted - 2013.12.06 06:08:00 - [57] - Quote nor asha wrote: AWESOME AUTISTIC wrote: I'm a scout. I love running scout suits. I love the scout role. I WILL NOT use Logi BECAUSE I RUN SCOUT. Need I say more? One day when you've got enough skill points you'll run around in your minimatar logi with 9 slots instead of 5, 3 equipment slots instead of 1, and pretty much the same base speed I've got 10 million points into my scout set up and my standard level gallente suit has only one less slot, a ton more base hp and gets me more kills per match with the same set up. When you have less, your more creative. I specialize in ridiculousness. 'You don't talk to strangers, you shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Scout Devotee.
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 40	Posted - 2013.12.06 06:59:00 - [58] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Ask 10 different people what the scout's role is and you'll most likely get 10 different answers. I would say that is up to the player, for me I use it for flanking and slaying mostly with some support use of uplinks and then back to more slaying lol. Got a lot of non-scout users trying to tell the rest of the people skilled into the suit what its best for. Been plenty of times where I have gotten just as many kills if not more than a person in a medium suit. Plenty of other serious scouts have done the same. Level 5 Proficiency in Tupperware handling.
AWESOME AUTISTIC Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 3	Posted - 2013.12.06 07:36:00 - [59] - Quote The people that complain about scouts are people that are non scouts, scout users that recognize that CCP needs to work on scouts, and non scouts that are greeted by us on a daily basis. I specialize in ridiculousness. 'You don't talk to strangers, you shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Scout Devotee.
Ghost Kaisar THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED 970	Posted - 2013.12.06 07:47:00 - [60] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lack of HP Lack of Sensors (pff 16 meters? should be like 30+) Lack of Stealth (half it) Lack of utility (give em 2 equipment slots) Lack of Strafe (remove the strafe cap) Scanners should be tied into the suits own DB resolution numbers TTK of medium ranged weapons is too powerful. Post #3 "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu



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