Stick to your infantry sh*t, you dont belong in vehicle conversations. I have proto forgegun, i can 5 hit a madrugar and 4 hit a shield tank, 10 seconds for a poor man to loose 700-1500k isk, that is OP. And even skilled pilots cannot survive OP AV. Invisible swarms tracking over 400 meters away, we have no chance then to hide in the redline. Why does a 47k isk, 900k sp foregun do more damage than a 1 mil isk, 20 ton railgun? Why? Why does a mass driver have a higher splash damage than a large fragmented proto missile launcher? Why do Av nades deal over 4000 damage with only 3 of them? Why does it take 9 mil sp to be effective in a tank ond only 900k to be effective with Av? you have to wonder... now go back to your infantry conversations, you are not a tanker and you are not to judge his opinions because you have not been in his boots.

Oh and on proto Av... maybe if they gave us back your real proto tanks (sagaris and surya) we wouldn't have as many problems. But then again, tanks are soooo over priced.

then y should av be so cheap O_o.

if they want to use better gear to kill me then they should have to pay more. nothing is stopping av from using cheaper gear.

std av price is fine

adv av should be 75k - 100k

proto av should be 300k - 400k

talking about av weapons for those prices. if my turret is 1 mil why should the av equal be 1/20th of the price.

since isk isn't part of balancing then tht should be fair.

My best AV suit already costs around 200k, so this wouldn't affect me much.

Your Turret is priced the way it is because it is multipurpose. It can easily fire at tanks and easily slaughter infantry at the same time with no compromise. Save from maybe a heat sink or damage mod.

My AV fit is terrible against normal infantry. Even a MLT scrub will easily down somebody in a pure AV fit. The FG could be considered multipurpose but it is Anti-Material anyways. So it should destroy anything.

Though I do think that turrets are overpriced. It should not cost 900k-1mil for a PRO turret.

LOL I've been tanking longer than I've been using Swarm Launchers.

10 seconds? Yeah if the person drives into a massive crowd of people or is getting hit by multiple AV users. If you get killed by 1 single AV person in a span of 10 seconds while your hardners are running then you simply don't belong in the pilot seat. With the exception of the Gatsun's FG. That thing's nasty.

Nobody can survive anything. All anyone can do is delay the inevitable. The fact that you are complaining about not being able to survive every match is pathetic.

The Fragmented Missile launcher does way more damage than a Mass Driver. Giving them the same blast radii would make it impossible for infantry to escape them.

I'm not much of a FG expert, so I won't comment on the Railgun vs Forge Gun issue.

AV Grenades? If your dumb enough to drive into crowds of infantry, then you deserve to get your @$$ handed to you. They are CQC only.

900k to be effective with AV? LOLNO. I have 4mil SP into AV and I still have Tanks and DSs who can easily survive my AV.

I wouldn't mind stronger HAVs. But then you'd have to un-nerf AV from where it will be in 1.7. And I also wouldn't say no to a price De-buff on vehicles. Which brings me to another question. Why do Logi DSs cost 400k when an HAV hull costs 200k?

I'm slightly disappointing that you did't actually address or answer any of the things I'm stated. Then again, we both know they are correct so you'd just make a fool out of yourself.

My best AV suit already costs around 200k, so this wouldn't affect me much.

Your Turret is priced the way it is because it is multipurpose. It can easily fire at tanks and easily slaughter infantry at the same time with no compromise. Save from maybe a heat sink or damage mod.

My AV fit is terrible against normal infantry. Even a MLT scrub will easily down somebody in a pure AV fit. The FG could be considered multipurpose but it is Anti-Material anyways. So it should destroy anything.

Though I do think that turrets are overpriced. It should not cost 900k-1mil for a PRO turret.

Problems with HAVs:
-Enforcer tanks
-34% movement penalty (why make a shield tank slower than a heavy?)
-Not enough Ehp to survive onslaughts from entrenched enemies like said in description
-Tank is only worth 1/8 of its actually cost
-It's so expensive that everyone on the team switches to AV to get a juicy prize in the end of the match

Problems with Shield and armor HAVs-
-Shield regen rate is ******** (fixed in 1.7)
-too expensive to run and not worth the price
-soloable
-turrets are more expensive than the tank its self
-no engineering skill of vehicles
-Av to potent
-Too slow to get away from anything (armor HAVs better fit to put on nitros- shield HAVs have to give up a lot of resistance)
-Impossible to aim down with turret on shield tanks, literally, people run up to my shield tank to defend themselves rather than run way



What we need-
-everything above fixed
- Sagaris and Suyra back
- Proto tanks ^ 5H/3L 3H/5L modules, more shield for sagaris, more armor for surya, higher regen rates and lower recharge delays for shields, More cpu and pg, more built in resistance to variant. ( CCP, if your going to ask a player to grind isk for 15 matches against proto suits with milita gear to afford a 2.5 mil isk tank, it better be fking worth it) Increased speed and maneuverability. 1.2mil isk hull