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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:25:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:your totally right, a 2.5 mil sik tank with 9 mil sp should go down to 900k sp 47k isk forgegun in a matter of seconds... The game is about profit, there is no profit when you tank.
Edit: also- if you could read better, none of the paragraph you replied to refereed to sp... You brought up tank v tank which is naturally going to cost alot of SP way above the range of new or even intermediate players. "Screw everything you want to do and customize and SP sink if you want to have a chance against me" isn't the direction the game should go. And yes, that the way it should happen, if you have a problem with ISK /SP costs fine, but that's just the Forge Gun working as intended. Cost should be irrelevant to gameplay.
since a tank turret is weaker than the forge. as of now. i think the forge should cost 1 mil isk. proto. if what u say is true then what does it matter if the forge cost so much. :D
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:43:00 -
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8213 wrote:I tank and I think most Tankers have sh*tty attitudes.
My HAV surives Orbitals and 4-5 people AV-ing because I know what I'm doing. If things just get to hard, I redline dash and recall. A good tanker could always rack up the WP, KDR, and dominate. I die more to AI turrets & double Orbitals than actual AV. Somedays I'm hunted by 10 players; comes with the territory. Somedays a single SW ignores my triple hardeners.
Do I honestly expect a guy with AV to not use a roof top? Why would he try on the ground where I am practically unbeatable? HAVs have very high risk as far as ISK investment, but good rewards as they often dominate leaderboards.
I also AV. I can destroy HAVs, buts its not as easy as I can make it look. I may die 3-4x trying. A good tanker will be able to survive me. The new AV nerf won't effect me actually because of my style of AV play is designed to be surefire. Most HAVs I destroy are 1m in front of me... Its called playing to their weaknesses.
I'd rather have the core mechanics of vehicles fixed than the re-do of the entire class. I'm stil going to suffer from broken mechanics more than actual AV.
u can survive 4-5 ppl with av. what av milita. Lol 2 proto swarmers with all my mods on killed me in 4 volleys. 2 volleys each of them.
and i have av too. i solo tanks all the time. whether they r good or bad. i don't know why u can't too. O_O proto forge FTW.
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:33:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:8213 wrote:I tank and I think most Tankers have sh*tty attitudes.
My HAV surives Orbitals and 4-5 people AV-ing because I know what I'm doing. If things just get to hard, I redline dash and recall. A good tanker could always rack up the WP, KDR, and dominate. I die more to AI turrets & double Orbitals than actual AV. Somedays I'm hunted by 10 players; comes with the territory. Somedays a single SW ignores my triple hardeners.
Do I honestly expect a guy with AV to not use a roof top? Why would he try on the ground where I am practically unbeatable? HAVs have very high risk as far as ISK investment, but good rewards as they often dominate leaderboards.
I also AV. I can destroy HAVs, buts its not as easy as I can make it look. I may die 3-4x trying. A good tanker will be able to survive me. The new AV nerf won't effect me actually because of my style of AV play is designed to be surefire. Most HAVs I destroy are 1m in front of me... Its called playing to their weaknesses.
I'd rather have the core mechanics of vehicles fixed than the re-do of the entire class. I'm stil going to suffer from broken mechanics more than actual AV. u can survive 4-5 ppl with av. what av milita. Lol 2 proto swarmers with all my mods on killed me in 4 volleys. 2 volleys each of them. and i have av too. i solo tanks all the time. whether they r good or bad. i don't know why u can't too. O_O proto forge FTW. Yea it really isn't hard right now to destroy tanks with proto. I'd be willing to be used as a deterrent for tanks if I got rewarded for that play style but the tankers I have talked to disagree with the idea of AV getting WP for being a deterrent.
we used to have points for damaging vehicles, but tht quickly got abused. i doubt they will do it again. u would have to make some sort of new system.
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:36:00 -
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it was a really old build i don't remember which one. but during the build u also got points for shooting the MCC. XD. it was vehicle damage +25. and u got it for everyone 3 rail shots on the MCC. i'm not sure how it worked but u got a lot of points from it. i think it was +25 points per precent of damage done. so sometimes u could get +25 twice with one hit.
:D
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.12.06 03:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Why exactly shouldn't you be soloable? You are one single unit.
And no, because I paid more is not a valid answer.
And no, "It's a tank" is not a valid answer.
You could use these, but then I'll just make you look like an idiot.
Also, I find the entitlement from pilots to be hilarious. If you aren't using the strongest gear possible, you shouldn't be able to survive against my strongest gear.
PRO is the strongest gear. Only the strongest gear and/or the most skilled pilots should be able to withstand it.
I think this thread can be summarized with one revised statement from Spkr4TheDead:
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me. -Such is the motto of pilots
then y should av be so cheap O_o.
if they want to use better gear to kill me then they should have to pay more. nothing is stopping av from using cheaper gear.
std av price is fine
adv av should be 75k - 100k
proto av should be 300k - 400k
talking about av weapons for those prices. if my turret is 1 mil why should the av equal be 1/20th of the price.
since isk isn't part of balancing then tht should be fair. 
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.12.08 22:43:00 -
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Atiim wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:then y should av be so cheap O_o. if they want to use better gear to kill me then they should have to pay more. nothing is stopping av from using cheaper gear. std av price is fine adv av should be 75k - 100k proto av should be 300k - 400k talking about av weapons for those prices. if my turret is 1 mil why should the av equal be 1/20th of the price. since isk isn't part of balancing then tht should be fair. My best AV suit already costs around 200k, so this wouldn't affect me much. Your Turret is priced the way it is because it is multipurpose. It can easily fire at tanks and easily slaughter infantry at the same time with no compromise. Save from maybe a heat sink or damage mod. My AV fit is terrible against normal infantry. Even a MLT scrub will easily down somebody in a pure AV fit. The FG could be considered multipurpose but it is Anti-Material anyways. So it should destroy anything. Though I do think that turrets are overpriced. It should not cost 900k-1mil for a PRO turret.
i'm talking about the gun alone not ur suit.
SMGs r the best friend.
forge is an all in one weapon. i have one i would know. it's easy to kill infantry with. and its the best av weapon.
STD Full maxed out suit should cost 20-30k isk. like it is now
ADV full maxed out suit should cost 150-175k isk.
Proto full maxed out suit should cost 500-600k isk.
if u want to kill my tank easily u should have to pay more isk. plus u said u can't balance off isk so it wouldn't matter would it. by ur logic price increases on AV would mean nothing.
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