Have you done some of the calcs for a Missile Shield tank in 1.7? *shudders* so much burst DPS....puts a railgun to shame.

Yes, I should be immune to Militia ARs because my Logi suit costs 250k and is worth more.

Yes, I should be immune to Militia ARs because my Logi suit costs 250k and is worth more.

Balancing things based on cost is stupid, just say tanks need to be cheaper.

Message from Godin: I want my Kubera back. 4 lows,3-4 hi's, and designed like this. As for the Suyra, 3-5 lows, 1 Hi, and designed like this. I don't care for the Vayu.

So you want the game to be an SP battle instead of a skill battle? There isn't anything wrong with one man being able to solo another man, you don't get free rides just because you've played the game for X amount of time. SP only should marginally increase the difficulty, not make it virtually impossible to do so.

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Dust is a FPS first and foremost, and FPS is always balanced on gameplay.

Its supposed to be an FPSMMORPG. Its supposed to be all of these things, and if it isn't in keeping with the vision it painted in 2009 of an economically player driven game fitting to EVE its parent, what point is there in playing this over Battlefield 4.

HTFU Skill is always going to be a key part of this game, but like in all other RPG skills allow you to unbalance things in your favour.

A counter to a tactic should not only be the same tactic. That leads to predictable games.

If only tanks can beat tanks and snipers beat redline snipers it would/will lead to a boring game.

If there is only one or a few ways to defeat someone then they can build, position or predict how to avoid that.

So no tanks should not only go down to tanks. That's not even real in today's weapons let alone future ones.

The game will be balanced based on skill or time spent, you can't it both ways. If you chose time spent, you might be saying F-U new players for at least 3 months(realistically more). This isn't EVE, you're not playing this game to look at graphs. This is a FPS you'll never get anyone to hop aboard this game when it's balanced by how long you've been playing while you're waiting 3+ months to be competitive against the end-gamers.

What kind of drugs are you on sir?

I tank and I think most Tankers have sh*tty attitudes.

My HAV surives Orbitals and 4-5 people AV-ing because I know what I'm doing. If things just get to hard, I redline dash and recall. A good tanker could always rack up the WP, KDR, and dominate. I die more to AI turrets & double Orbitals than actual AV. Somedays I'm hunted by 10 players; comes with the territory. Somedays a single SW ignores my triple hardeners.

Do I honestly expect a guy with AV to not use a roof top? Why would he try on the ground where I am practically unbeatable? HAVs have very high risk as far as ISK investment, but good rewards as they often dominate leaderboards.

I also AV. I can destroy HAVs, buts its not as easy as I can make it look. I may die 3-4x trying. A good tanker will be able to survive me. The new AV nerf won't effect me actually because of my style of AV play is designed to be surefire. Most HAVs I destroy are 1m in front of me... Its called playing to their weaknesses.

I'd rather have the core mechanics of vehicles fixed than the re-do of the entire class. I'm stil going to suffer from broken mechanics more than actual AV.

I tank and I think most Tankers have sh*tty attitudes.

My HAV surives Orbitals and 4-5 people AV-ing because I know what I'm doing. If things just get to hard, I redline dash and recall. A good tanker could always rack up the WP, KDR, and dominate. I die more to AI turrets & double Orbitals than actual AV. Somedays I'm hunted by 10 players; comes with the territory. Somedays a single SW ignores my triple hardeners.

Do I honestly expect a guy with AV to not use a roof top? Why would he try on the ground where I am practically unbeatable? HAVs have very high risk as far as ISK investment, but good rewards as they often dominate leaderboards.

I also AV. I can destroy HAVs, buts its not as easy as I can make it look. I may die 3-4x trying. A good tanker will be able to survive me. The new AV nerf won't effect me actually because of my style of AV play is designed to be surefire. Most HAVs I destroy are 1m in front of me... Its called playing to their weaknesses.

I'd rather have the core mechanics of vehicles fixed than the re-do of the entire class. I'm stil going to suffer from broken mechanics more than actual AV.

Why exactly shouldn't you be soloable? You are one single unit.

And no, because I paid more is not a valid answer.

And no, "It's a tank" is not a valid answer.

You could use these, but then I'll just make you look like an idiot.

Also, I find the entitlement from pilots to be hilarious. If you aren't using the strongest gear possible, you shouldn't be able to survive against my strongest gear.

PRO is the strongest gear. Only the strongest gear and/or the most skilled pilots should be able to withstand it.

I think this thread can be summarized with one revised statement from Spkr4TheDead:

Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me. -Such is the motto of pilots

bro bro bro...sagaris,surya,kubera,chakram,falchion,vayu. they'll all return and we'll have ultimate power!!! Mwahahaha!!!

My best AV suit already costs around 200k, so this wouldn't affect me much.

Your Turret is priced the way it is because it is multipurpose. It can easily fire at tanks and easily slaughter infantry at the same time with no compromise. Save from maybe a heat sink or damage mod.

My AV fit is terrible against normal infantry. Even a MLT scrub will easily down somebody in a pure AV fit. The FG could be considered multipurpose but it is Anti-Material anyways. So it should destroy anything.

Though I do think that turrets are overpriced. It should not cost 900k-1mil for a PRO turret.

LOL I've been tanking longer than I've been using Swarm Launchers.

10 seconds? Yeah if the person drives into a massive crowd of people or is getting hit by multiple AV users. If you get killed by 1 single AV person in a span of 10 seconds while your hardners are running then you simply don't belong in the pilot seat. With the exception of the Gatsun's FG. That thing's nasty.

Nobody can survive anything. All anyone can do is delay the inevitable. The fact that you are complaining about not being able to survive every match is pathetic.

The Fragmented Missile launcher does way more damage than a Mass Driver. Giving them the same blast radii would make it impossible for infantry to escape them.

I'm not much of a FG expert, so I won't comment on the Railgun vs Forge Gun issue.

AV Grenades? If your dumb enough to drive into crowds of infantry, then you deserve to get your @$$ handed to you. They are CQC only.

900k to be effective with AV? LOLNO. I have 4mil SP into AV and I still have Tanks and DSs who can easily survive my AV.

I wouldn't mind stronger HAVs. But then you'd have to un-nerf AV from where it will be in 1.7. And I also wouldn't say no to a price De-buff on vehicles. Which brings me to another question. Why do Logi DSs cost 400k when an HAV hull costs 200k?

I'm slightly disappointing that you did't actually address or answer any of the things I'm stated. Then again, we both know they are correct so you'd just make a fool out of yourself.