DUST Search - A comparison of a Gallente Assault and Caldari Assault suit

Cat Merc wrote:

Here is a comparison of my best Gallente Assault against my best Caldari Assault.
These suits are min maxed for pub matches, and there is literally no better way I can think of to fit these suits after months of trying out stuff.

Gallente Assault:
2x Enhanced armor paltes
1x Complex armor rep
1x Enhanced armor rep

1x Complex shield extender (You can't avoid explosive damage because of the massive radius, so I use an extender)
2x Complex damage mods

GEK 38
Syndicate SMG

M1 Locus

X-3 Quantum Nanohive

Stats:
504 armor
217 shields
10hp/s armor rep
4.72hp/s movement speed
6.94hp/s sprint speed (biotics maxed, dropped from 7.35)

Caldari Assault:
3x Complex Shield extenders
1x Complex damage mod

1x Complex CPU extender
2x Complex shield regs

Duvolle Assault Rifle
Syndicate SMG

Core Locus Grenade

Ishukone Gauged Nanohive

Stats:
483 shields (Can still go further, I have not fully maxed the shield skill)
150 armor
31hp/s shield recharge
Shield recharge delay: 2.8 seconds
Shield depleted recharge delay: 4.5 seconds
5m/s movement speed
7.35m/s sprint speed

Conclusion:
Gallente Assault gets 88 more total eHP
Caldari Assault gets 21 more shield recharge (at a small recharge delay)
Caldari gets a 0.28 movement speed advantage
Caldari gets a 0.41 sprint speed advantage.
Gallente gets 3.2% more damage than Caldari (Duvolle has 5% more damage than GEK, and stacking penalties on damage mods)

Caldari can fit a duvolle assault rifle, which closes the damage difference, has more range and less dispersion.
Caldari can fit a Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, which is better than what the Gallente has.

Notes:
You can replace the damage mod with an energizer or recharger which increases the recharge gap further, put on a core locus grenade and an advanced SMG.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4324	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:21:00 - [1] - Quote Here is a comparison of my best Gallente Assault against my best Caldari Assault. These suits are min maxed for pub matches, and there is literally no better way I can think of to fit these suits after months of trying out stuff. Gallente Assault: 2x Enhanced armor paltes 1x Complex armor rep 1x Enhanced armor rep 1x Complex shield extender (You can't avoid explosive damage because of the massive radius, so I use an extender) 2x Complex damage mods GEK 38 Syndicate SMG M1 Locus X-3 Quantum Nanohive Stats: 504 armor 217 shields 10hp/s armor rep 4.72hp/s movement speed 6.94hp/s sprint speed (biotics maxed, dropped from 7.35) Caldari Assault: 3x Complex Shield extenders 1x Complex damage mod 1x Complex CPU extender 2x Complex shield regs Duvolle Assault Rifle Syndicate SMG Core Locus Grenade Ishukone Gauged Nanohive Stats: 483 shields (Can still go further, I have not fully maxed the shield skill) 150 armor 31hp/s shield recharge Shield recharge delay: 2.8 seconds Shield depleted recharge delay: 4.5 seconds 5m/s movement speed 7.35m/s sprint speed Conclusion: Gallente Assault gets 88 more total eHP Caldari Assault gets 21 more shield recharge (at a small recharge delay) Caldari gets a 0.28 movement speed advantage Caldari gets a 0.41 sprint speed advantage. Gallente gets 5% more damage than Caldari (Duvolle has 5% more damage than GEK) Caldari can fit a duvolle assault rifle, which closes the damage difference, has more range and less dispersion. Caldari can fit a Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, which is better than what the Gallente has. Notes: You can replace the damage mod with an energizer or recharger with increases the recharge gap further, put on a core locus grenade and an advanced SMG. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5782	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:22:00 - [2] - Quote Those who are currently complaining about armour tankers - note the stats on the Gallente assault here, which is armour tanked. Then think about the stats on various logistics dropsuits. Is it armour that's the problem or the logistics? Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11019	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:22:00 - [3] - Quote Why would he be using a duvolle when hs has state sponsored weapons such as the Ishukone Rail Rifle? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Infantry Armoring =// Unlocked
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5782	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:24:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Why would he be using a duvolle when hs has state sponsored weapons such as the Ishukone Rail Rifle? Because those weapons haven't arrived yet and nobody has an accurate idea about how well they'll perform? Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4324	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:24:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Why would he be using a duvolle when hs has state sponsored weapons such as the Ishukone Rail Rifle? Because we don't have them yet Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 374	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:26:00 - [6] - Quote I wouldn't go beyond X-3 hives because they're very good as far as ammo resupplying and don't take as much PG/CPU (iirc, I don't know the numbers off hand). I think that could open up more room for better mods/weapons, like perhaps CPU>Armor plate for the Caldari. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 19; Tanks: 4
Spycrab Potato Penguin's March 557	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:26:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Why would he be using a duvolle when hs has state sponsored weapons such as the Ishukone Rail Rifle? Why is it saying I have you in my contacts? You wouldn't happen to be in the True Protologi chat channel would you? My Limbus' name is Sarah. My Freedom's name is Jeremi. They both would like to say hi.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11019	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:27:00 - [8] - Quote Well we do know they bite into armor pretty well, the combat rifle 'chews' through armor also. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Infantry Armoring =// Unlocked
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3502	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:27:00 - [9] - Quote The Gallente would still win in a 1v1, unless the Caldari player is great. Lets not forget, Minmatar Vs Gallente Scout Minmatar Vs Gallente Assault Gallente would be a Minmatar Scout hands down. LolMinmatarAssault Forum Prison Escapee Yes, 1.7 is going to suck. Proto Min Logi here I come! T_T
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4324	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:28:00 - [10] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I wouldn't go beyond X-3 hives because they're very good as far as ammo resupplying and don't take as much PG/CPU (iirc, I don't know the numbers off hand). I think that could open up more room for better mods/weapons, like perhaps CPU>Armor plate for the Caldari. True, but I often run in squads and like to resupply my squad mates. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4327	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:29:00 - [11] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: The Gallente would still win in a 1v1, unless the Caldari player is great. Lets not forget, Minmatar Vs Gallente Scout Minmatar Vs Gallente Assault Gallente would be a Minmatar Scout hands down. LolMinmatarAssault Because the Gallente is SUPPOSED to win in a 1v1? Here is a very clear description of Armor and shields: Armor: Stand your ground and deliver Shields: Get in, damage people, get out, then get back in to finish them off while they're wounded and you're back to full. Also, the difference between the two is rather tiny, it wouldn't take a lot to make the Caldari win. Three bullet misses from the Gallente = Caldari wins. Now considering a Duvolle has tighter dispersion than a Caldari, and the Caldari is strafing faster... Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4327	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:34:00 - [12] - Quote Updated damage, I forgot about stacking penalties. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Sephirian Fair 0uter.heaven Proficiency V. 146	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:37:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: The Gallente would still win in a 1v1, unless the Caldari player is great. Lets not forget, Minmatar Vs Gallente Scout Minmatar Vs Gallente Assault Gallente would be a Minmatar Scout hands down. LolMinmatarAssault Because the Gallente is SUPPOSED to win in a 1v1? Here is a very clear description of Armor and shields: Armor: Stand your ground and deliver Shields: Get in, damage people, get out, then get back in to finish them off while they're wounded and you're back to full. Exactly. If someone is stupid enough to run straight into an armor tanker, (or get flanked by one o_o) they deserve to get their ass handed to them. High eHP and more damage makes for defender. Shield is all about hit and run. You can whittle armor down so long as they aren't in a fortified position (rep hives everywhere.) Your first attack knocks their shields out and cuts their armor down to roughly your eHP. Hide and launch your second after a couple cycles of pulses to finish them off. The scout argument I won't touch on. Scouts need their own balance pass and until then Scouts are damned no matter which way the defenses go. The only way Scouts go up is when damage gets toned down and it'll be that way 'til the balance pass.
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3502	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:38:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: The Gallente would still win in a 1v1, unless the Caldari player is great. Lets not forget, Minmatar Vs Gallente Scout Minmatar Vs Gallente Assault Gallente would be a Minmatar Scout hands down. LolMinmatarAssault Because the Gallente is SUPPOSED to win in a 1v1? Here is a very clear description of Armor and shields: Armor: Stand your ground and deliver Shields: Get in, damage people, get out, then get back in to finish them off while they're wounded and you're back to full. Also, the difference between the two is rather tiny, it wouldn't take a lot to make the Caldari win. Three bullet misses from the Gallente = Caldari wins. Now considering a Duvolle has tighter dispersion than a Caldari, and the Caldari is strafing faster... And considering the Duvolle has 90% Efficiency Vs Armour, and 110% efficiency Vs Shields. Forum Prison Escapee Yes, 1.7 is going to suck. Proto Min Logi here I come! T_T
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4330	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:39:00 - [15] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: The Gallente would still win in a 1v1, unless the Caldari player is great. Lets not forget, Minmatar Vs Gallente Scout Minmatar Vs Gallente Assault Gallente would be a Minmatar Scout hands down. LolMinmatarAssault Because the Gallente is SUPPOSED to win in a 1v1? Here is a very clear description of Armor and shields: Armor: Stand your ground and deliver Shields: Get in, damage people, get out, then get back in to finish them off while they're wounded and you're back to full. Also, the difference between the two is rather tiny, it wouldn't take a lot to make the Caldari win. Three bullet misses from the Gallente = Caldari wins. Now considering a Duvolle has tighter dispersion than a Caldari, and the Caldari is strafing faster... And considering the Duvolle has 90% Efficiency Vs Armour, and 110% efficiency Vs Shields. In 1.7 there will be anti armor AR's. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1710	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:40:00 - [16] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Those who are currently complaining about armour tankers - note the stats on the Gallente assault here, which is armour tanked. Then think about the stats on various logistics dropsuits. Is it armour that's the problem or the logistics? This. @cat merc, thank you for this thread. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3504	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:41:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: The Gallente would still win in a 1v1, unless the Caldari player is great. Lets not forget, Minmatar Vs Gallente Scout Minmatar Vs Gallente Assault Gallente would be a Minmatar Scout hands down. LolMinmatarAssault Because the Gallente is SUPPOSED to win in a 1v1? Here is a very clear description of Armor and shields: Armor: Stand your ground and deliver Shields: Get in, damage people, get out, then get back in to finish them off while they're wounded and you're back to full. Also, the difference between the two is rather tiny, it wouldn't take a lot to make the Caldari win. Three bullet misses from the Gallente = Caldari wins. Now considering a Duvolle has tighter dispersion than a Caldari, and the Caldari is strafing faster... And considering the Duvolle has 90% Efficiency Vs Armour, and 110% efficiency Vs Shields. In 1.7 there will be anti armor AR's. Quote: Because those weapons haven't arrived yet and nobody has an accurate idea about how well they'll perform? Forum Prison Escapee Yes, 1.7 is going to suck. Proto Min Logi here I come! T_T
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4330	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:45:00 - [18] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: In 1.7 there will be anti armor AR's. Quote: Because those weapons haven't arrived yet and nobody has an accurate idea about how well they'll perform? [/quote] Assault Combat Rifle we know pretty well how it will perform. It's practically a more accurate Duvolle Assault Rifle (Wolfman said it's more accurate), that fires much faster but does less damage. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5786	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:46:00 - [19] - Quote Spycrab Potato wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Why would he be using a duvolle when hs has state sponsored weapons such as the Ishukone Rail Rifle? Why is it saying I have you in my contacts? You wouldn't happen to be in the True Protologi chat channel would you? Forum glitch. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 341	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:46:00 - [20] - Quote Why does this keep coming up? It's even ONLY because of the CPU/PG enhancers allows the shield tankers to use a higher tier. The tanking mods themselves are not balanced. Still I think if you buff shields you will throw the balance off in assaults. Move the PG enhancer to high slot (possibly reworking CPU/PG mods in the process.)

Sephirian Fair 0uter.heaven Proficiency V. 147	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:47:00 - [21] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Those who are currently complaining about armour tankers - note the stats on the Gallente assault here, which is armour tanked. Then think about the stats on various logistics dropsuits. Is it armour that's the problem or the logistics? This. @cat merc, thank you for this thread. Agreed. The Gallente assault has it much worse off than the Gal Logi does. The playing field between Caldari Assault and Gallente Assault are fairly close and with proper changes to aspects such as the Suit and Racial bonuses, the two suits would be proper examples of each playstyle. The Gal Logi does seem to throw things out of perspective, much like the Cal Logi did with shields. >.>... Cal Assault could use a little more PG to fit that Rail Rifle a bit better. 17 is a little difficult. Well... Both suits could probably use a bit more CPU/PG. Lol.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 631	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:47:00 - [22] - Quote Am I allowed to cry when I get demolished by a Caldari Dropsuit with a Caldari Rail Rifle? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4334	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:49:00 - [23] - Quote Sephirian Fair wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Those who are currently complaining about armour tankers - note the stats on the Gallente assault here, which is armour tanked. Then think about the stats on various logistics dropsuits. Is it armour that's the problem or the logistics? This. @cat merc, thank you for this thread. Agreed. The Gallente assault has it much worse off than the Gal Logi does. The playing field between Caldari Assault and Gallente Assault are fairly close and with proper changes to aspects such as the Suit and Racial bonuses, the two suits would be proper examples of each playstyle. The Gal Logi does seem to throw things out of perspective, much like the Cal Logi did with shields. >.>... Cal Assault could use a little more PG to fit that Rail Rifle a bit better. 17 is a little difficult. Well... Both suits could probably use a bit more CPU/PG. Lol. See and that is why we need suit bonuses to weapons. What if a Caldari fits a duvolle on his suit? That means he gets free PG from this buff. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5788	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:49:00 - [24] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Am I allowed to cry when I get demolished by a Caldari Dropsuit with a Caldari Rail Rifle? No. Armour tankers do not cry. Hide your tears and be strong, brother. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries 237	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:51:00 - [25] - Quote Now factor in the sheer power of Assault Rifles against shields... and then tell me how long that 483 lasts... For best results press R1 repeatedly. Consult your doctor if your erection persists for more than four hours.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4334	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:53:00 - [26] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Now factor in the sheer power of Assault Rifles against shields... and then tell me how long that 483 lasts... Assault rifles get +10% against shields. Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle will get that too but against armor. Now tell me how long that 504 armor lasts... Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5788	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:55:00 - [27] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Now factor in the sheer power of Assault Rifles against shields... and then tell me how long that 483 lasts... Approximately the same amount of time as the 504 armour suit. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4334	Posted - 2013.12.04 21:57:00 - [28] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Am I allowed to cry when I get demolished by a Caldari Dropsuit with a Caldari Rail Rifle? No. Armour tankers do not cry. Hide your tears and be strong, brother. Even when we were horribly underpowered, we stood strong and fought. We will do the same regardless of what CCP does. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 560	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:01:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Why would he be using a duvolle when hs has state sponsored weapons such as the Ishukone Rail Rifle? Nova Knife kinda broke NDA and described that the riffles sound like a wet fart going through a guitar modulation box...or something along those lines. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 362	Posted - 2013.12.04 22:02:00 - [30] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Here is a comparison of my best Gallente Assault against my best Caldari Assault. These suits are min maxed for pub matches, and there is literally no better way I can think of to fit these suits after months of trying out stuff. Gallente Assault: 2x Enhanced armor paltes 1x Complex armor rep 1x Enhanced armor rep 1x Complex shield extender (You can't avoid explosive damage because of the massive radius, so I use an extender) 2x Complex damage mods GEK 38 Syndicate SMG M1 Locus X-3 Quantum Nanohive Stats: 504 armor 217 shields 10hp/s armor rep 4.72hp/s movement speed 6.94hp/s sprint speed (biotics maxed, dropped from 7.35) Caldari Assault: 3x Complex Shield extenders 1x Complex damage mod 1x Complex CPU extender 2x Complex shield regs Duvolle Assault Rifle Syndicate SMG Core Locus Grenade Ishukone Gauged Nanohive Stats: 483 shields (Can still go further, I have not fully maxed the shield skill) 150 armor 31hp/s shield recharge Shield recharge delay: 2.8 seconds Shield depleted recharge delay: 4.5 seconds 5m/s movement speed 7.35m/s sprint speed Conclusion: Gallente Assault gets 88 more total eHP Caldari Assault gets 21 more shield recharge (at a small recharge delay) Caldari gets a 0.28 movement speed advantage Caldari gets a 0.41 sprint speed advantage. Gallente gets 3.2% more damage than Caldari (Duvolle has 5% more damage than GEK, and stacking penalties on damage mods) Caldari can fit a duvolle assault rifle, which closes the damage difference, has more range and less dispersion. Caldari can fit a Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, which is better than what the Gallente has. Notes: You can replace the damage mod with an energizer or recharger which increases the recharge gap further, put on a core locus grenade and an advanced SMG. I have a basic gallente proto with no racial bonuses that stands. I use adv vs caldari proto stomps all the time so when I go proto s***s to easy. Gallente ftw. You are welcome for my leadership



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