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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:12:00 - [1] - Quote What distance qualifies as CQC? Are you saying this to defend your precious HAVs? What drugs are you smoking, and may I please have some? If you thought 400m was bad, then what is 550m? Yeah, I bet you didn't know that Large Blasters even had that range did you? And this ain't a joke, except for the part about Large Blasters being a CQC weapon. That's a hilarious joke. And I finally managed to snag a picture of this this. I wasn't even in a vehicle. I was in my plain old ADV logi suit. Do you guys believe that this is a problem? My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8272	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:14:00 - [2] - Quote Turret AI OP Go take a Blaster Maddy into a fight at 550m and tell me how that works out for you Win ISK / Vids / O7
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:19:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Turret AI OP Go take a Blaster Maddy into a fight at 550m and tell me how that works out for you Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC. This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this. Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 265	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:20:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Turret AI OP Go take a Blaster Maddy into a fight at 550m and tell me how that works out for you You beat me to it. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 238	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:22:00 - [5] - Quote So a couple things hilariously wrong about this thread. 1. Your antagonistic attitude really is doing you no favors, it's one thing to be smug and quite another to be smug and wrong. 2. Your picture doesn't qualify as proof. Note that the kill feed is listing a Large Blaster INSTALLATION. I see no reason to believe that the stats for HAV Large Turrets and Installation Large Turrets are in anyway analogous, especially with respect to range. 3. Here are the Large Blaster Turret (for HAVs) listed Effective and Optimal Ranges for 1.7 (assumption being range units in meters) Effective Range : 89.6m Optimal Range : 160m Source : http://dust514.com/news/2013/11/vehicles-in-uprising-1.7/ So, what else ya got? 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 265	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:22:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Turret AI OP Go take a Blaster Maddy into a fight at 550m and tell me how that works out for you Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC. This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this. Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's **** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8273	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:22:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. So you like to gamble with missiles or keep that redline warm? Whatever works for you. Win ISK / Vids / O7
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2102	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:26:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: What distance qualifies as CQC? Are you saying this to defend your precious HAVs? What drugs are you smoking, and may I please have some? If you thought 400m was bad, then what is 550m? Yeah, I bet you didn't know that Large Blasters even had that range did you? And this ain't a joke, except for the part about Large Blasters being a CQC weapon. That's a hilarious joke. And I finally managed to snag a picture of this. I wasn't even in a vehicle. I was in my plain old ADV logi suit. Do you guys believe that this is a problem? /facepalm So this made ma laugh harder than I have in months. This post certainly notifies me of a serious problem, but its not with the turret....
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 265	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:30:00 - [9] - Quote You do know you can strafe a blaster by walking left or right, it can't track you fast enough unlike rails which can hit a moving LAV twice in quick succession so you finally got a turret to shoot at you and ran as far as you could while remaining in it's view. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 756	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:31:00 - [10] - Quote is the assault rifle a cqc weapon? they are both blasters. why the kitten would you have a cqc weapon on a tank? "I really wanna utilize those tight corners and the natural agility of the HAV to it's advantage" so... this was poorly thought through and took an unappreciated attitude. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:32:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC. This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this. Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's ** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and Fing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I F**ing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4508	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:33:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: What distance qualifies as CQC? Are you saying this to defend your precious HAVs? What drugs are you smoking, and may I please have some? If you thought 400m was bad, then what is 550m? Yeah, I bet you didn't know that Large Blasters even had that range did you? And this ain't a joke, except for the part about Large Blasters being a CQC weapon. That's a hilarious joke. And I finally managed to snag a picture of this. I wasn't even in a vehicle. I was in my plain old ADV logi suit. Do you guys believe that this is a problem? My furthest kill was about 90m Though we are firing very large calibre plasma sheathed rounds.... what ever you did you were either unlucky because something else was firing at you....I have never seen an unmanned large blaster fire at anything further than 100m away. Its also hilarious...since at 543m most players couldn't even see you. Not the gun it self's fault, the issue is the AI that can target at that distance. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:36:00 - [13] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: You do know you can strafe a blaster by walking left or right, it can't track you fast enough unlike rails which can hit a moving LAV twice in quick succession so you finally got a turret to shoot at you and ran as far as you could while remaining in it's view. You think I just stood there? You thought I said, "Hey look, something's magically shredding my suit to pieces, I better check my ammo count"? I wish I had dual hardners and a nitrous to get me out of that. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1440	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:39:00 - [14] - Quote Hit detection with blasters is incredibly meh atm. I wouldnt even use them in CQC "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 265	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:42:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC. This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this. Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's ** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and Fing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I F**ing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. Yes and I backed over a madrugar and instapopped literally in half a second I dropped all of his armor. If missiles were meant for armor tanks they would have more PG they should not be superior to the blaster in tank battles yet require less fitting so you can have more DPS and more HP, CCP screwed up they were supposed to make them Caldari decreased PG increased CPU which is what Gunlogi's have but they didn't increase the CPU cost enough. Armor missile tanks are scrubs. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:42:00 - [16] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: So a couple things hilariously wrong about this thread. 1. Your antagonistic attitude really is doing you no favors, it's one thing to be smug and quite another to be smug and wrong. 2. Your picture doesn't qualify as proof. Note that the kill feed is listing a Large Blaster INSTALLATION. I see no reason to believe that the stats for HAV Large Turrets and Installation Large Turrets are in anyway analogous, especially with respect to range. 3. Here are the Large Blaster Turret (for HAVs) listed Effective and Optimal Ranges for 1.7 (assumption being range units in meters) Effective Range : 89.6m Optimal Range : 160m Source : http://dust514.com/news/2013/11/vehicles-in-uprising-1.7/ So, what else ya got? It doesn't do favors, but it keeps me entertained. And I wish I a picture of the killfeed. Unfortunately I don't always anticipate being WTFpwned by an Invisible blaster turret from 550m. It took some time for my Xoom to turn on. I've got exactly what you see there. I could get a friend who was playing with me to vouch for this, but that wouldn't be credible in the fact that any good friend will lie for someone. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 265	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:45:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: You do know you can strafe a blaster by walking left or right, it can't track you fast enough unlike rails which can hit a moving LAV twice in quick succession so you finally got a turret to shoot at you and ran as far as you could while remaining in it's view. You think I just stood there? You thought I said, "Hey look, something's magically shredding my suit to pieces, I better check my ammo count"? I wish I had dual hardners and a nitrous to get me out of that. Yes You have to be the ultimate scrub to be killed by a blaster installation at 500m+ Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:47:00 - [18] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: is the assault rifle a cqc weapon? they are both blasters. why the kitten would you have a cqc weapon on a tank? "I really wanna utilize those tight corners and the natural agility of the HAV to it's advantage" so... this was poorly thought through and took an unappreciated attitude. It doesn't have to be CQC, but when a Gallente blaster weapon has the range of a Caldari Sniper RIfle, that creates a problem. Heck, I wouldn't even care if it was 100-235m. But 550m? That's idiocy. That's like what, 50m away from a sniper rifle's max range? Even the freaking Thale's doesn't have the zoom fidelity of 550m. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4508	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:48:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: So a couple things hilariously wrong about this thread. 1. Your antagonistic attitude really is doing you no favors, it's one thing to be smug and quite another to be smug and wrong. 2. Your picture doesn't qualify as proof. Note that the kill feed is listing a Large Blaster INSTALLATION. I see no reason to believe that the stats for HAV Large Turrets and Installation Large Turrets are in anyway analogous, especially with respect to range. 3. Here are the Large Blaster Turret (for HAVs) listed Effective and Optimal Ranges for 1.7 (assumption being range units in meters) Effective Range : 89.6m Optimal Range : 160m Source : http://dust514.com/news/2013/11/vehicles-in-uprising-1.7/ So, what else ya got? It doesn't do favors, but it keeps me entertained. And I wish I a picture of the killfeed. Unfortunately I don't always anticipate being WTFpwned by an Invisible blaster turret from 550m. It took some time for my Xoom to turn on. I've got exactly what you see there. I could get a friend who was playing with me to vouch for this, but that wouldn't be credible in the fact that any good friend will lie for someone. LOL yup now you know what its like being WTFpwned by and invisible something..... oh the sweet justice! Its event better that it was a blaster turret. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 01:00:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: LOL yup now you know what its like being WTFpwned by and invisible something..... oh the sweet justice! Its event better that it was a blaster turret. Yeah, except HAVs have enough time to turn on hardners and nitrous to GTFO if they are being hit like that. I noticed I was getting hit, but without a way to shoot up to 50-60% resistances and have super speed and be repped at incredible strength in a near instantaneous time frame, I died. One does not simply get "WTFPwned" by AV without having the chance to react. Your failure to react deserves your death. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND

True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4508	Posted - 2013.12.04 01:07:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: LOL yup now you know what its like being WTFpwned by and invisible something..... oh the sweet justice! Its event better that it was a blaster turret. Yeah, except HAVs have enough time to turn on hardners and nitrous to GTFO if they are being hit like that. I noticed I was getting hit, but without a way to shoot up to 50-60% resistances and have super speed and be repped at incredible strength in a near instantaneous time frame, I died. One does not simply get "WTFPwned" by AV without having the chance to react. Your failure to react deserves your death. As did yours. I think you are the only man in dust to have been killed by a 200m range weapon at nearly two and a half times that distance........ "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 757	Posted - 2013.12.04 01:23:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: is the assault rifle a cqc weapon? they are both blasters. why the kitten would you have a cqc weapon on a tank? "I really wanna utilize those tight corners and the natural agility of the HAV to it's advantage" so... this was poorly thought through and took an unappreciated attitude. It doesn't have to be CQC, but when a Gallente blaster weapon has the range of a Caldari Sniper RIfle, that creates a problem. Heck, I wouldn't even care if it was 100-235m. But 550m? That's idiocy. That's like what, 50m away from a sniper rifle's max range? Even the freaking Thale's doesn't have the zoom fidelity of 550m. your kidding right, this is some kind of joke? we are seriously comparing the range of the primary on a main battle tank to the range of a large caliber sniper rifle. I'm not one to use real world equivalences in a game especially one set in the far future. but I think this adequately demonstrates the enormity of your comparison. Cheytac M200 Intervention effective range: 2000+ yards or a little over a mile. M1 abrams 120mm smooth bore effective range: 2.5 miles you are comparing a man portable railgun to a blaster so big it needs a set of tracks. why in new eden would the railgun have better range. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:21:00 - [23] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: is the assault rifle a cqc weapon? they are both blasters. why the kitten would you have a cqc weapon on a tank? "I really wanna utilize those tight corners and the natural agility of the HAV to it's advantage" so... this was poorly thought through and took an unappreciated attitude. It doesn't have to be CQC, but when a Gallente blaster weapon has the range of a Caldari Sniper RIfle, that creates a problem. Heck, I wouldn't even care if it was 100-235m. But 550m? That's idiocy. That's like what, 50m away from a sniper rifle's max range? Even the freaking Thale's doesn't have the zoom fidelity of 550m. your kidding right, this is some kind of joke? we are seriously comparing the range of the primary on a main battle tank to the range of a large caliber sniper rifle. I'm not one to use real world equivalences in a game especially one set in the far future. but I think this adequately demonstrates the enormity of your comparison. Cheytac M200 Intervention effective range: 2000+ yards or a little over a mile. M1 abrams 120mm smooth bore effective range: 2.5 miles you are comparing a man portable railgun to a blaster so big it needs a set of tracks. why in new eden would the railgun have better range. No, I was comparing a Gallente weapon, which according to lore is supposed to be short range; to a Caldari weapon that according to lore is supposed to be long range. Though I do admit I could have worded this a bit better Although, you can complain about my analogy comparing a vehicle weapon to an infantry weapon all you like. It won't make my analogy any less valid or invalid because the principal still applies. A Gallente SHORT RANGE WEAPON should never have range compared to a Caldari LONG RANGE WEAPON. Even if it's mounted on a tank, infantry arms, or even a motherfluxing starship. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:21:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: LOL yup now you know what its like being WTFpwned by and invisible something..... oh the sweet justice! Its event better that it was a blaster turret. Yeah, except HAVs have enough time to turn on hardners and nitrous to GTFO if they are being hit like that. I noticed I was getting hit, but without a way to shoot up to 50-60% resistances and have super speed and be repped at incredible strength in a near instantaneous time frame, I died. One does not simply get "WTFPwned" by AV without having the chance to react. Your failure to react deserves your death. As did yours. I think you are the only man in dust to have been killed by a 200m range weapon at nearly two and a half times that distance........ My suit wasn't fast enough to get to cover. And I don't have speed mods like my tank. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4516	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:22:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: LOL yup now you know what its like being WTFpwned by and invisible something..... oh the sweet justice! Its event better that it was a blaster turret. Yeah, except HAVs have enough time to turn on hardners and nitrous to GTFO if they are being hit like that. I noticed I was getting hit, but without a way to shoot up to 50-60% resistances and have super speed and be repped at incredible strength in a near instantaneous time frame, I died. One does not simply get "WTFPwned" by AV without having the chance to react. Your failure to react deserves your death. As did yours. I think you are the only man in dust to have been killed by a 200m range weapon at nearly two and a half times that distance........ My suit wasn't fast enough to get to cover. And I don't have speed mods like my tank. And? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1572	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:24:00 - [26] - Quote All large turrets on Installations DO NOT have the same range as HAV Turrets, there is a large difference between a kilometer-aware turret Blaster Installations and some HAV Blaster with a 40 meter optimum where anything past 60m is tickled and anything past 100 is dreaming. A Turret Missile on an Installation can also shoot a kilometer, yet no HAV Large Missile can touch anything even a third of that distance. Why are you bringing up HAVs in your original post as if you were shot by the same thing? Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:24:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: And? You implied that my death was warranted because I didn't react in time, when it was far from. That, or I'm misreading your post. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2121	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:25:00 - [28] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: You think I just stood there? You thought I said, "Hey look, something's magically shredding my suit to pieces, I better check my ammo count"? Yes You have to be the ultimate scrub to be killed by a blaster installation at 500m+ "He shouldve realized at that point I was lying as I'd already had my morning poo and I don't read newspapers." CB Vet
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:28:00 - [29] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: All large turrets on Installations DO NOT have the same range as HAV Turrets, there is a large difference between a kilometer-aware turret Blaster Installations and some HAV Blaster with a 40 meter optimum where anything past 60m is tickled and anything past 100 is dreaming. A Turret Missile on an Installation can also shoot a kilometer, yet no HAV Large Missile can touch anything even a third of that distance. Alright, but this problem still needs to be addressed. The AI shouldn't have became hostile from 550m. Even 200m is questionable. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4516	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:31:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: All large turrets on Installations DO NOT have the same range as HAV Turrets, there is a large difference between a kilometer-aware turret Blaster Installations and some HAV Blaster with a 40 meter optimum where anything past 60m is tickled and anything past 100 is dreaming. A Turret Missile on an Installation can also shoot a kilometer, yet no HAV Large Missile can touch anything even a third of that distance. Alright, but this problem still needs to be addressed. The AI shouldn't have became hostile from 550m. Even 200m is questionable. Yeah its an issue and a bad one when redline rails start doing this to infantry and tanks....no fun for anyone. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"

Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3215	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:31:00 - [31] - Quote Hahahahah Oh my god this is just so stupid
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:32:00 - [32] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: /facepalm So this made ma laugh harder than I have in months. This post certainly notifies me of a serious problem, but its not with the turret.... Well, I'm glad your mother is laughing about a broken game mechanic. But why is your mother holding your hand while you browse the forums? That's creepy dude. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2121	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:32:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: is the assault rifle a cqc weapon? they are both blasters. why the kitten would you have a cqc weapon on a tank? "I really wanna utilize those tight corners and the natural agility of the HAV to it's advantage" so... this was poorly thought through and took an unappreciated attitude. It doesn't have to be CQC, but when a Gallente blaster weapon has the range of a Caldari Sniper RIfle, that creates a problem. Heck, I wouldn't even care if it was 100-235m. But 550m? That's idiocy. That's like what, 50m away from a sniper rifle's max range? Even the freaking Thale's doesn't have the zoom fidelity of 550m. your kidding right, this is some kind of joke? we are seriously comparing the range of the primary on a main battle tank to the range of a large caliber sniper rifle. I'm not one to use real world equivalences in a game especially one set in the far future. but I think this adequately demonstrates the enormity of your comparison. Cheytac M200 Intervention effective range: 2000+ yards or a little over a mile. M1 abrams 120mm smooth bore effective range: 2.5 miles you are comparing a man portable railgun to a blaster so big it needs a set of tracks. why in new eden would the railgun have better range. No, I was comparing a Gallente weapon, which according to lore is supposed to be short range; to a Caldari weapon that according to lore is supposed to be long range. Though I do admit I could have worded this a bit better Although, you can complain about my analogy comparing a vehicle weapon to an infantry weapon all you like. It won't make my analogy any less valid or invalid because the principal still applies. A Gallente SHORT RANGE WEAPON should never have range compared to a Caldari LONG RANGE WEAPON. Even if it's mounted on a tank, infantry arms, or even a motherfluxing starship. hint.....shotguns shoot to 50 yards...... unless you have a 120mm canister shot.....that b.itch goes to 500 meters point being, a close range gun goes farther if its freaking huge "He shouldve realized at that point I was lying as I'd already had my morning poo and I don't read newspapers." CB Vet
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2121	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:33:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: /facepalm So this made ma laugh harder than I have in months. This post certainly notifies me of a serious problem, but its not with the turret.... Well, I'm glad your mother is laughing about a broken game mechanic. But why is your mother holding your hand while you browse the forums? That's creepy dude. pretty pathetic attempt honestly....nice try "He shouldve realized at that point I was lying as I'd already had my morning poo and I don't read newspapers." CB Vet
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:36:00 - [35] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Atiim wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: /facepalm So this made ma laugh harder than I have in months. This post certainly notifies me of a serious problem, but its not with the turret.... Well, I'm glad your mother is laughing about a broken game mechanic. But why is your mother holding your hand while you browse the forums? That's creepy dude. pretty pathetic attempt honestly....nice try Says the person who's "ma" is watching them browse the internet..... My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:40:00 - [36] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: hint.....shotguns shoot to 50 yards...... unless you have a 120mm canister shot.....that b.itch goes to 500 meters point being, a close range gun goes farther if its freaking huge I'm going to assume that your either a troll, or don't realize that a Gallente weapon isn't supposed to have that kind of range. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 140	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:46:00 - [37] - Quote Message from Godin: So I assume that you were trying to point out that installations are OP still? If so, old news, just ignore them, and CCP will eventually fix them. If not, get out, you're being a ******* child.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:51:00 - [38] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Yes and I backed over a madrugar and instapopped literally in half a second I dropped all of his armor. If missiles were meant for armor tanks they would have more PG they should not be superior to the blaster in tank battles yet require less fitting so you can have more DPS and more HP, CCP screwed up they were supposed to make them Caldari decreased PG increased CPU which is what Gunlogi's have but they didn't increase the CPU cost enough. Armor missile tanks are scrubs. Does it even matter? In 1.7 we are going to be able to unlock Madrugars and Gunnlogies with one skill. Is there even a point to increasing the CPU of Missiles? People are going to use it anyway. But I still don't see how using a Missile Turret on a Maddy is OP. The reasons you just listed are things that probably wouldn't make much more of a difference anyway. Except I probably wouldn't have as much spare CPU. But I do hope Gunnlogies are fixed in 1.7 My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4520	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:54:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Yes and I backed over a madrugar and instapopped literally in half a second I dropped all of his armor. If missiles were meant for armor tanks they would have more PG they should not be superior to the blaster in tank battles yet require less fitting so you can have more DPS and more HP, CCP screwed up they were supposed to make them Caldari decreased PG increased CPU which is what Gunlogi's have but they didn't increase the CPU cost enough. Armor missile tanks are scrubs. Does it even matter? In 1.7 we are going to be able to unlock Madrugars and Gunnlogies with one skill. Is there even a point to increasing the CPU of Missiles? People are going to use it anyway. But I still don't see how using a Missile Turret on a Maddy is OP. The reasons you just listed are things that probably wouldn't make much more of a difference anyway. Except I probably wouldn't have as much spare CPU. But I do hope Gunnlogies are fixed in 1.7 Same Shield tanks look so much cooler. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:55:00 - [40] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: So I assume that you were trying to point out that installations are OP still? If so, old news, just ignore them, and CCP will eventually fix them. If not, get out, you're being a ******* child. No, I'm just proving my point,; you know the one in the title and OP? Large Blasters are not CQC. And anyone who says so while looking at this photo needs to be biomassed. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1563	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:00:00 - [41] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Yes and I backed over a madrugar and instapopped literally in half a second I dropped all of his armor. If missiles were meant for armor tanks they would have more PG they should not be superior to the blaster in tank battles yet require less fitting so you can have more DPS and more HP, CCP screwed up they were supposed to make them Caldari decreased PG increased CPU which is what Gunlogi's have but they didn't increase the CPU cost enough. Armor missile tanks are scrubs. Does it even matter? In 1.7 we are going to be able to unlock Madrugars and Gunnlogies with one skill. Is there even a point to increasing the CPU of Missiles? People are going to use it anyway. But I still don't see how using a Missile Turret on a Maddy is OP. The reasons you just listed are things that probably wouldn't make much more of a difference anyway. Except I probably wouldn't have as much spare CPU. But I do hope Gunnlogies are fixed in 1.7 Same Shield tanks look so much cooler. As long as it looks better than the Soma, it's alright in my book. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4522	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:01:00 - [42] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Yes and I backed over a madrugar and instapopped literally in half a second I dropped all of his armor. If missiles were meant for armor tanks they would have more PG they should not be superior to the blaster in tank battles yet require less fitting so you can have more DPS and more HP, CCP screwed up they were supposed to make them Caldari decreased PG increased CPU which is what Gunlogi's have but they didn't increase the CPU cost enough. Armor missile tanks are scrubs. Does it even matter? In 1.7 we are going to be able to unlock Madrugars and Gunnlogies with one skill. Is there even a point to increasing the CPU of Missiles? People are going to use it anyway. But I still don't see how using a Missile Turret on a Maddy is OP. The reasons you just listed are things that probably wouldn't make much more of a difference anyway. Except I probably wouldn't have as much spare CPU. But I do hope Gunnlogies are fixed in 1.7 Same Shield tanks look so much cooler. As long as it looks better than the Soma, it's alright in my book. Everything look better than dirty Gallente ****....they just don't operate better..... "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2122	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:06:00 - [43] - Quote Atiim wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: So I assume that you were trying to point out that installations are OP still? If so, old news, just ignore them, and CCP will eventually fix them. If not, get out, you're being a ******* child. No, I'm just proving my point,; you know the one in the title and OP? Large Blasters are not CQC. And anyone who says so while looking at this photo needs to be biomassed. im having a hard time taking you seriously knowing you got killed by an unmanned blaster installation at +500 meters "He shouldve realized at that point I was lying as I'd already had my morning poo and I don't read newspapers." CB Vet
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1418	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:08:00 - [44] - Quote Atiim wrote: What distance qualifies as CQC? Are you saying this to defend your precious HAVs? What drugs are you smoking, and may I please have some? If you thought 400m was bad, then what is 550m? Yeah, I bet you didn't know that Large Blasters even had that range did you? And this ain't a joke, except for the part about Large Blasters being a CQC weapon. That's a hilarious joke. And I finally managed to snag a picture of this. I wasn't even in a vehicle. I was in my plain old ADV logi suit. Do you guys believe that this is a problem? You're turning a bug around and using it to your advantage, slandering tankers. Nobody likes you. You may leave now. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 241	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:10:00 - [45] - Quote Atiim wrote: Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and F*ing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I Fing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. I just wrote and deleted a paragraph or two about how the new CPU and PG values of vehicles made it so that it was much harder to reasonably fit Large Missiles on a Madrugar but it ends up being not all that bad if all you want to keep in your highs is a Nitrous for the speed and don't mind using ADV level large turrets. (I wanted the damage mods too). You can argue it's not as EFFICIENT as going Blaster because there's a lot of spare PG and you can't fit any plates but if you want your cake (Missiles) and eat it too (on a Gallente vehicle) then you gotta make some sacrifices I guess. The cool thing is that you don't need any fitting optimization skill of any kind in order to make this work. Madrugar with Nitrous + AT-201 Large Missile Turret High : Complex CPU Upgrade + Nitrous (you have a lot of spare PG so you can use any level you want) Low : Complex Armor Hardener + Complex Armor Repairer + Ammo Expansion Unit Large Turret : AT-201 Large Missile Small Turrets :can't fit unless you drop one of your lows to Enhanced or get some amount of missile fitting op. 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1565	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:10:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Same Shield tanks look so much cooler. As long as it looks better than the Soma, it's alright in my book. Everything look better than dirty Gallente ****....they just don't operate better..... This ^^^ And am I the only one who thinks that Minmatar dropsuits look the best? Especially on females My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1565	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:26:00 - [47] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Atiim wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: So I assume that you were trying to point out that installations are OP still? If so, old news, just ignore them, and CCP will eventually fix them. If not, get out, you're being a ******* child. No, I'm just proving my point,; you know the one in the title and OP? Large Blasters are not CQC. And anyone who says so while looking at this photo needs to be biomassed. im having a hard time taking you seriously knowing you got killed by an unmanned blaster installation at +500 meters Fail. The AI has accuracy better than 99% of the players in this game. Range on the other hand, makes me wonder about the existence of Large Blasters and what purpose they truly serve. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1565	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:31:00 - [48] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Atiim wrote: Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and F*ing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I Fing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. I just wrote and deleted a paragraph or two about how the new CPU and PG values of vehicles made it so that it was much harder to reasonably fit Large Missiles on a Madrugar but it ends up being not all that bad if all you want to keep in your highs is a Nitrous for the speed and don't mind using ADV level large turrets. (I wanted the damage mods too). You can argue it's not as EFFICIENT as going Blaster because there's a lot of spare PG and you can't fit any plates but if you want your cake (Missiles) and eat it too (on a Gallente vehicle) then you gotta make some sacrifices I guess. The cool thing is that you don't need any fitting optimization skill of any kind in order to make this work. Madrugar with Nitrous + AT-201 Large Missile Turret High : Complex CPU Upgrade + Nitrous (you have a lot of spare PG so you can use any level you want) Low : Complex Armor Hardener + Complex Armor Repairer + Ammo Expansion Unit Large Turret : AT-201 Large Missile Small Turrets :can't fit unless you drop one of your lows to Enhanced or get some amount of missile fitting op. Sounds pretty nice, but the only thing I'll be using tanks for is the railgun after 1.7 Swarms will be useless against derpships while ADSs get 300HP of splash damage on small missile turrets, and I am seriously questioning having prof V, reload speed IV, and ammo count IV in a weapon that will be used for nothing but harassment. Plus, I'm sure the LTBG will soon move to QQing about the FG and get that nerfed, so I might as well use something knowing that the LTBG won't QQ about it being able to damage their precious HAVs. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1565	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:35:00 - [49] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You're turning a bug around and using it to your advantage, slandering tankers. Nobody likes you. You may leave now. Coming from somebody who's even been told to both "STFU" and "HTFU" by other tankers multiple times in a thread, along with the fact that tankers tell me all the time to stop thinking that every tanker is like Spkr and want's AV removed and things like that; I find your "Nobody likes you" statement to be quite amusing. (I should probably word that better, maybe even add a line space or two, but I won't. It's not worth it) My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 286	Posted - 2013.12.04 06:33:00 - [50] - Quote Atiim, if I may? We say Blasters are CQC IN COMPARISON with the other two large turrets. We don't have anything to do with infantry ranges there. Just my 2 ISK. Names of playstyles

4447 Resolution XIII 901	Posted - 2013.12.04 06:35:00 - [51] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: So a couple things hilariously wrong about this thread. 1. Your antagonistic attitude really is doing you no favors, it's one thing to be smug and quite another to be smug and wrong. 2. Your picture doesn't qualify as proof. Note that the kill feed is listing a Large Blaster INSTALLATION. I see no reason to believe that the stats for HAV Large Turrets and Installation Large Turrets are in anyway analogous, especially with respect to range. 3. Here are the Large Blaster Turret (for HAVs) listed Effective and Optimal Ranges for 1.7 (assumption being range units in meters) Effective Range : 89.6m Optimal Range : 160m Source : http://dust514.com/news/2013/11/vehicles-in-uprising-1.7/ So, what else ya got? The nerf on tanks coming in1.7. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Farsund Solheim The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 19	Posted - 2013.12.04 09:19:00 - [52] - Quote I used to get kills quite easily at ~260 meters with my Vayu and stabilized blaster . That was before almost everyone had a proto AV fit. Now my enforcers get popped far too easily. tis sad. On a side note, could you possibly have hit that blaster with a stray bullet? Most turrets wont even look at you outside a certain distance, but the instant you pop 'em with a single bullet, they while whip around and spit all the fires of hell at you.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 379	Posted - 2013.12.04 09:25:00 - [53] - Quote Atiim wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Turret AI OP Go take a Blaster Maddy into a fight at 550m and tell me how that works out for you Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC. This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this. Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. That's an installation, not a tank. :/ Different Specs. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4099	Posted - 2013.12.04 09:57:00 - [54] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You're turning a bug around and using it to your advantage, slandering tankers. Nobody likes you. You may leave now. Coming from somebody who's even been told to both "STFU" and "HTFU" by other tankers multiple times in a thread, along with the fact that tankers tell me all the time to stop thinking that every tanker is like Spkr and want's AV removed and things like that; I find your "Nobody likes you" statement to be quite amusing. (I should probably word that better, maybe even add a line space or two, but I won't. It's not worth it) Ever hear the saying "takes one to know one"? Might be relevant about now...
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 115	Posted - 2013.12.04 09:58:00 - [55] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC. This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this. Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's ** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and Fing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I Fing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. its probably because hes one of the many armor tankers that uses a blaster. he gets mad wen his blaster cant do as much to armor as it does to shields and thus fighting a missile maddie can mean certain death unless the missile guy got stupid or the rare broken trigger glitch on large missile turrets (happened to me once on my tanker alt as for some reason i couldnt fire) the fact that most tanks i see are blaster maddies is why i use missile maddi, because i adapt** Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1122	Posted - 2013.12.04 10:03:00 - [56] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: What distance qualifies as CQC? Are you saying this to defend your precious HAVs? What drugs are you smoking, and may I please have some? If you thought 400m was bad, then what is 550m? Yeah, I bet you didn't know that Large Blasters even had that range did you? And this ain't a joke, except for the part about Large Blasters being a CQC weapon. That's a hilarious joke. And I finally managed to snag a picture of this. I wasn't even in a vehicle. I was in my plain old ADV logi suit. Do you guys believe that this is a problem? You're turning a bug around and using it to your advantage, slandering tankers. Nobody likes you. You may leave now. No one likes you either but you don't seem to get the hint. Unfortunately Atiim, Blasters are meant for Short Range operations, they are Gallante Technology. The turret is designed to be proficient in urban combat areas. Consequently Missiles will be rather good at any range depending on the accuracy. So I get skilling into your shield extenders if I were you. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 267	Posted - 2013.12.04 12:26:00 - [57] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Atiim wrote: Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and F*ing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I Fing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. I just wrote and deleted a paragraph or two about how the new CPU and PG values of vehicles made it so that it was much harder to reasonably fit Large Missiles on a Madrugar but it ends up being not all that bad if all you want to keep in your highs is a Nitrous for the speed and don't mind using ADV level large turrets. (I wanted the damage mods too). You can argue it's not as EFFICIENT as going Blaster because there's a lot of spare PG and you can't fit any plates but if you want your cake (Missiles) and eat it too (on a Gallente vehicle) then you gotta make some sacrifices I guess. The cool thing is that you don't need any fitting optimization skill of any kind in order to make this work. Madrugar with Nitrous + AT-201 Large Missile Turret High : Complex CPU Upgrade + Nitrous (you have a lot of spare PG so you can use any level you want) Low : Complex Armor Hardener + Complex Armor Repairer + Ammo Expansion Unit Large Turret : AT-201 Large Missile Small Turrets :can't fit unless you drop one of your lows to Enhanced or get some amount of missile fitting op. As long as there is a penalty to fitting missiles I am ok with it. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 267	Posted - 2013.12.04 12:31:00 - [58] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC. This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this. Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's ** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and Fing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I Fing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. its probably because hes one of the many armor tankers that uses a blaster. he gets mad wen his blaster cant do as much to armor as it does to shields and thus fighting a missile maddie can mean certain death unless the missile guy got stupid or the rare broken trigger glitch on large missile turrets (happened to me once on my tanker alt as for some reason i couldnt fire) the fact that most tanks i see are blaster maddies is why i use missile maddi, because i adapt** I kill most if not all missile tanks in CQC unless CCP overheats my blaster with my finger off the trigger or turns my second hardener off instead of activating both. If you run a rail as long as you are not in the redline I will not care. I can adapt as well by using nitrus its just you have fewer fitting reqs so you can fit one as well with more armor it is easy mode and it is broken. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1321	Posted - 2013.12.04 12:40:00 - [59] - Quote Atiim wrote: What distance qualifies as CQC? Are you saying this to defend your precious HAVs? What drugs are you smoking, and may I please have some? If you thought 400m was bad, then what is 550m? Yeah, I bet you didn't know that Large Blasters even had that range did you? And this ain't a joke, except for the part about Large Blasters being a CQC weapon. That's a hilarious joke. And I finally managed to snag a picture of this. I wasn't even in a vehicle. I was in my plain old ADV logi suit. Do you guys believe that this is a problem? I hope this is a troll lol at blaster range lol and lol again Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1570	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:14:00 - [60] - Quote Farsund Solheim wrote: I used to get kills quite easily at ~260 meters with my Vayu and stabilized blaster . That was before almost everyone had a proto AV fit. Now my enforcers get popped far too easily. tis sad. On a side note, could you possibly have hit that blaster with a stray bullet? Most turrets wont even look at you outside a certain distance, but the instant you pop 'em with a single bullet, they while whip around and spit all the fires of hell at you. I was at full health Logistics M/1 Series Shields: 118 HP Armor: 507 I know it wasn't a stray bullet because it was the AI, not a person firing at me. I also know that it wasn't a stray bullet because the turret kept firing until I died. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND

chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 86	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:33:00 - [61] - Quote Atiim wrote: What distance qualifies as CQC? Are you saying this to defend your precious HAVs? What drugs are you smoking, and may I please have some? If you thought 400m was bad, then what is 550m? Yeah, I bet you didn't know that Large Blasters even had that range did you? And this ain't a joke, except for the part about Large Blasters being a CQC weapon. That's a hilarious joke. And I finally managed to snag a picture of this. I wasn't even in a vehicle. I was in my plain old ADV logi suit. Do you guys believe that this is a problem? for vehicles there is dropoff damage. its useless as a HMG at about 200 meters. get your **** straight. but I would never expect a AVer like you to do that
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 86	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:37:00 - [62] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC. This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this. Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's ** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and Fing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I F**ing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. okay you obviously don't know an damn thing about tanks. can you stop bitching on the forums for once please?
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 757	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:41:00 - [63] - Quote Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: is the assault rifle a cqc weapon? they are both blasters. why the kitten would you have a cqc weapon on a tank? "I really wanna utilize those tight corners and the natural agility of the HAV to it's advantage" so... this was poorly thought through and took an unappreciated attitude. It doesn't have to be CQC, but when a Gallente blaster weapon has the range of a Caldari Sniper RIfle, that creates a problem. Heck, I wouldn't even care if it was 100-235m. But 550m? That's idiocy. That's like what, 50m away from a sniper rifle's max range? Even the freaking Thale's doesn't have the zoom fidelity of 550m. your kidding right, this is some kind of joke? we are seriously comparing the range of the primary on a main battle tank to the range of a large caliber sniper rifle. I'm not one to use real world equivalences in a game especially one set in the far future. but I think this adequately demonstrates the enormity of your comparison. Cheytac M200 Intervention effective range: 2000+ yards or a little over a mile. M1 abrams 120mm smooth bore effective range: 2.5 miles you are comparing a man portable railgun to a blaster so big it needs a set of tracks. why in new eden would the railgun have better range. No, I was comparing a Gallente weapon, which according to lore is supposed to be short range; to a Caldari weapon that according to lore is supposed to be long range. Though I do admit I could have worded this a bit better Although, you can complain about my analogy comparing a vehicle weapon to an infantry weapon all you like. It won't make my analogy any less valid or invalid because the principal still applies. A Gallente SHORT RANGE WEAPON should never have range compared to a Caldari LONG RANGE WEAPON. Even if it's mounted on a tank, infantry arms, or even a motherfluxing starship. MY SNIPER RIFLE HAS A RANGE OF 450-500ish METERS BUT THE BLASTERS ON MY MEGATHRON HAVE A RANGE OF 14km. DA FAQ CCP FIX DIS! size matters... EDIT: mega fitted T2 void opt like 16ish max 30ish "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1571	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:43:00 - [64] - Quote chase rowland wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC. This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this. Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's ** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and Fing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I F**ing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. okay you obviously don't know an damn thing about tanks. can you stop bitching on the forums for once please? How? Everything I stated is true. I have way too much spare CPU left for my own good and when I turn my nitrous on I can easily run circles around most Gunnlogies. And flattening him? It did happen, though I must admit that the pilot wasn't really that good... My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 86	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:46:00 - [65] - Quote Atiim wrote: chase rowland wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC. This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this. Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits. Far too easy. You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's ** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and Fing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I F**ing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. okay you obviously don't know an damn thing about tanks. can you stop bitching on the forums for once please? How? Everything I stated is true. I have way too much spare CPU left for my own good and when I turn my nitrous on I can easily run circles around most Gunnlogies. And flattening him? It did happen, though I must admit that the pilot wasn't really that good... dude your obviously not a tanker. if you actually had a tank, you would realize how stupid you sound. you have hated tanks ever since you came on the forums.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1571	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:47:00 - [66] - Quote chase rowland wrote: for vehicles there is dropoff damage. its useless as a HMG at about 200 meters. get your **** straight. but I would never expect a AVer like you to do that LOL Facts straight? Coming from a tanker who believes that PRO AV can OHK anything beyond MLT vehicles and poorly fit STD tanks, I find that statement to be pathetic. And not a single thing I've said has not be said using anything other than facts, and can be replicated in game. Except for this issue with the Large Blaster. I don't know how you could replicate the AI action My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1572	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:53:00 - [67] - Quote chase rowland wrote: dude your obviously not a tanker. if you actually had a tank, you would realize how stupid you sound. you have hated tanks ever since you came on the forums. So many assumptions made there, and yet all of them are false. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1572	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:55:00 - [68] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: is the assault rifle a cqc weapon? they are both blasters. why the kitten would you have a cqc weapon on a tank? "I really wanna utilize those tight corners and the natural agility of the HAV to it's advantage" so... this was poorly thought through and took an unappreciated attitude. It doesn't have to be CQC, but when a Gallente blaster weapon has the range of a Caldari Sniper RIfle, that creates a problem. Heck, I wouldn't even care if it was 100-235m. But 550m? That's idiocy. That's like what, 50m away from a sniper rifle's max range? Even the freaking Thale's doesn't have the zoom fidelity of 550m. your kidding right, this is some kind of joke? we are seriously comparing the range of the primary on a main battle tank to the range of a large caliber sniper rifle. I'm not one to use real world equivalences in a game especially one set in the far future. but I think this adequately demonstrates the enormity of your comparison. Cheytac M200 Intervention effective range: 2000+ yards or a little over a mile. M1 abrams 120mm smooth bore effective range: 2.5 miles you are comparing a man portable railgun to a blaster so big it needs a set of tracks. why in new eden would the railgun have better range. No, I was comparing a Gallente weapon, which according to lore is supposed to be short range; to a Caldari weapon that according to lore is supposed to be long range. Though I do admit I could have worded this a bit better Although, you can complain about my analogy comparing a vehicle weapon to an infantry weapon all you like. It won't make my analogy any less valid or invalid because the principal still applies. A Gallente SHORT RANGE WEAPON should never have range compared to a Caldari LONG RANGE WEAPON. Even if it's mounted on a tank, infantry arms, or even a motherfluxing starship. MY SNIPER RIFLE HAS A RANGE OF 450-500ish METERS BUT THE BLASTERS ON MY MEGATHRON HAVE A RANGE OF 14km. DA FAQ CCP FIX DIS! size matters... EDIT: mega fitted T2 void opt like 16ish max 30ish In a video game, size all but matters. With the "size matters" argument, I could justify the horribly low TTKs and the fact that scouts get 1HK'd by an Assault or Scrambler rifle. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 694	Posted - 2013.12.04 15:04:00 - [69] - Quote hahaha got killed at somewhat the same distance earlier today by a god-mode AI railgun. Plasma Cannon Advocate
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 758	Posted - 2013.12.04 15:11:00 - [70] - Quote you could and scouts do, but the size is not significantly different light medium and heavy, they are all limited to man portable weapons and lights use the same weapons as mediums. tanks exist in their own class because their weaponry is significantly larger than infantries. it is so big it can't be carried by a man so they put it on tracks, why would a weapon so big and powerful that it needs tracks have comparable stats to something that can be carried by a man? this is a losing fight, stop while you have your ...eeerrr sorry. also I would like to point out that your argument will be completely invalid in 6 days. why? the new turret stats, opt 89.6m max effective 180m. bringing up the point, why make this thread when it's contents are completely irrelevant. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1574	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:04:00 - [71] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: you could and scouts do, but the size is not significantly different light medium and heavy, they are all limited to man portable weapons and lights use the same weapons as mediums. tanks exist in their own class because their weaponry is significantly larger than infantries. it is so big it can't be carried by a man so they put it on tracks, why would a weapon so big and powerful that it needs tracks have comparable stats to something that can be carried by a man? this is a losing fight, stop while you have your ...eeerrr sorry. also I would like to point out that your argument will be completely invalid in 6 days. why? the new turret stats, opt 89.6m max effective 180m. bringing up the point, why make this thread when it's contents are completely irrelevant. You cannot always use real life mechanics to balance a video game. If this game's mechanics were like they were in real life then I guarantee you that few people would want to play DUST. The turret stats don't have to be compared to a weapon carried by a person. I think I should have worded by statement better, but I was comparing a Gallente short range weapon to a Caldari long range weapon. You can't tell me that any Gallente weapon should have the range to do that. By lore the Large Blaster's design is completely incorrect. And what fight? I've yet to see any but 2 people here answer any of the questions in the OP. The only practically anyone has said was "I can believe you got taken out by a blaster turret at 550m". There is no fight here at all. It's just a bunch of idiots dodging the question. "Do you believe this is a problem"? My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Farsund Solheim The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 21	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:47:00 - [72] - Quote Atiim wrote: Farsund Solheim wrote: I used to get kills quite easily at ~260 meters with my Vayu and stabilized blaster . That was before almost everyone had a proto AV fit. Now my enforcers get popped far too easily. tis sad. On a side note, could you possibly have hit that blaster with a stray bullet? Most turrets wont even look at you outside a certain distance, but the instant you pop 'em with a single bullet, they while whip around and spit all the fires of hell at you. I was at full health Logistics M/1 Series Shields: 118 HP Armor: 507 I know it wasn't a stray bullet because it was the AI, not a person firing at me. I also know that it wasn't a stray bullet because the turret kept firing until I died. Sorry, i meant more along the lines of you hitting the turret with a stray bullet while involved in a firefight with someone else, causing the turret to instantly lock onto you and blast you into smithereens...
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1597	Posted - 2013.12.05 13:58:00 - [73] - Quote Farsund Solheim wrote: Atiim wrote: Farsund Solheim wrote: I used to get kills quite easily at ~260 meters with my Vayu and stabilized blaster . That was before almost everyone had a proto AV fit. Now my enforcers get popped far too easily. tis sad. On a side note, could you possibly have hit that blaster with a stray bullet? Most turrets wont even look at you outside a certain distance, but the instant you pop 'em with a single bullet, they while whip around and spit all the fires of hell at you. I was at full health Logistics M/1 Series Shields: 118 HP Armor: 507 I know it wasn't a stray bullet because it was the AI, not a person firing at me. I also know that it wasn't a stray bullet because the turret kept firing until I died. Sorry, i meant more along the lines of you hitting the turret with a stray bullet while involved in a firefight with someone else, causing the turret to instantly lock onto you and blast you into smithereens... I wasn't in a firefight. I was actually about to go rep someone when the AI decided to become a sniper My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1843	Posted - 2013.12.05 14:05:00 - [74] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Turret AI OP Go take a Blaster Maddy into a fight at 550m and tell me how that works out for you ^


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