Turret AI OP

Go take a Blaster Maddy into a fight at 550m and tell me how that works out for you

You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's **** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol.

You do know you can strafe a blaster by walking left or right, it can't track you fast enough unlike rails which can hit a moving LAV twice in quick succession so you finally got a turret to shoot at you and ran as far as you could while remaining in it's view.

So a couple things hilariously wrong about this thread.

1. Your antagonistic attitude really is doing you no favors, it's one thing to be smug and quite another to be smug and wrong.

2. Your picture doesn't qualify as proof. Note that the kill feed is listing a Large Blaster INSTALLATION. I see no reason to believe that the stats for HAV Large Turrets and Installation Large Turrets are in anyway analogous, especially with respect to range.

3. Here are the Large Blaster Turret (for HAVs) listed Effective and Optimal Ranges for 1.7 (assumption being range units in meters)
Effective Range : 89.6m
Optimal Range : 160m

Source : http://dust514.com/news/2013/11/vehicles-in-uprising-1.7/

So, what else ya got?

is the assault rifle a cqc weapon? they are both blasters.

why the kitten would you have a cqc weapon on a tank?
"I really wanna utilize those tight corners and the natural agility of the HAV to it's advantage"

so... this was poorly thought through and took an unappreciated attitude.

LOL yup now you know what its like being WTFpwned by and invisible something..... oh the sweet justice! Its event better that it was a blaster turret.

your kidding right, this is some kind of joke? we are seriously comparing the range of the primary on a main battle tank to the range of a large caliber sniper rifle.

I'm not one to use real world equivalences in a game especially one set in the far future. but I think this adequately demonstrates the enormity of your comparison.

Cheytac M200 Intervention effective range: 2000+ yards or a little over a mile.

M1 abrams 120mm smooth bore effective range: 2.5 miles

you are comparing a man portable railgun to a blaster so big it needs a set of tracks. why in new eden would the railgun have better range.

As did yours. I think you are the only man in dust to have been killed by a 200m range weapon at nearly two and a half times that distance........

And?

All large turrets on Installations DO NOT have the same range as HAV Turrets, there is a large difference between a kilometer-aware turret Blaster Installations and some HAV Blaster with a 40 meter optimum where anything past 60m is tickled and anything past 100 is dreaming.

A Turret Missile on an Installation can also shoot a kilometer, yet no HAV Large Missile can touch anything even a third of that distance.

/facepalm

So this made ma laugh harder than I have in months.

This post certainly notifies me of a serious problem, but its not with the turret....

pretty pathetic attempt honestly....nice try

hint.....shotguns shoot to 50 yards......

unless you have a 120mm canister shot.....that b.itch goes to 500 meters

point being, a close range gun goes farther if its freaking huge

Yes and I backed over a madrugar and instapopped literally in half a second I dropped all of his armor. If missiles were meant for armor tanks they would have more PG they should not be superior to the blaster in tank battles yet require less fitting so you can have more DPS and more HP, CCP screwed up they were supposed to make them Caldari decreased PG increased CPU which is what Gunlogi's have but they didn't increase the CPU cost enough. Armor missile tanks are scrubs.

Message from Godin: So I assume that you were trying to point out that installations are OP still? If so, old news, just ignore them, and CCP will eventually fix them. If not, get out, you're being a ******* child.

Same Shield tanks look so much cooler.

Everything look better than dirty Gallente ****....they just don't operate better.....

im having a hard time taking you seriously knowing you got killed by an unmanned blaster installation at +500 meters

I just wrote and deleted a paragraph or two about how the new CPU and PG values of vehicles made it so that it was much harder to reasonably fit Large Missiles on a Madrugar but it ends up being not all that bad if all you want to keep in your highs is a Nitrous for the speed and don't mind using ADV level large turrets. (I wanted the damage mods too). You can argue it's not as EFFICIENT as going Blaster because there's a lot of spare PG and you can't fit any plates but if you want your cake (Missiles) and eat it too (on a Gallente vehicle) then you gotta make some sacrifices I guess. The cool thing is that you don't need any fitting optimization skill of any kind in order to make this work.

Madrugar with Nitrous + AT-201 Large Missile Turret
High : Complex CPU Upgrade + Nitrous (you have a lot of spare PG so you can use any level you want)
Low : Complex Armor Hardener + Complex Armor Repairer + Ammo Expansion Unit
Large Turret : AT-201 Large Missile
Small Turrets :*can't fit unless you drop one of your lows to Enhanced or get some amount of missile fitting op.

You're turning a bug around and using it to your advantage, slandering tankers.

Nobody likes you. You may leave now.

I used to get kills quite easily at ~260 meters with my Vayu and stabilized blaster . That was before almost everyone had a proto AV fit. Now my enforcers get popped far too easily. tis sad.

On a side note, could you possibly have hit that blaster with a stray bullet? Most turrets wont even look at you outside a certain distance, but the instant you pop 'em with a single bullet, they while whip around and spit all the fires of hell at you.

okay you obviously don't know an damn thing about tanks. can you stop bitching on the forums for once please?

for vehicles there is dropoff damage. its useless as a HMG at about 200 meters. get your **** straight. but I would never expect a AVer like you to do that

dude your obviously not a tanker. if you actually had a tank, you would realize how stupid you sound. you have hated tanks ever since you came on the forums.

MY SNIPER RIFLE HAS A RANGE OF 450-500ish METERS BUT THE BLASTERS ON MY MEGATHRON HAVE A RANGE OF 14km. DA FAQ CCP FIX DIS!

size matters...

EDIT: mega fitted T2 void opt like 16ish max 30ish

you could and scouts do, but the size is not significantly different light medium and heavy, they are all limited to man portable weapons and lights use the same weapons as mediums. tanks exist in their own class because their weaponry is significantly larger than infantries. it is so big it can't be carried by a man so they put it on tracks, why would a weapon so big and powerful that it needs tracks have comparable stats to something that can be carried by a man?

this is a losing fight, stop while you have your ...eeerrr sorry.

also I would like to point out that your argument will be completely invalid in 6 days. why? the new turret stats, opt 89.6m max effective 180m.

bringing up the point, why make this thread when it's contents are completely irrelevant.

Sorry, i meant more along the lines of you hitting the turret with a stray bullet while involved in a firefight with someone else, causing the turret to instantly lock onto you and blast you into smithereens...