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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:33:00 -
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Atiim wrote:What distance qualifies as CQC? Are you saying this to defend your precious HAVs? What drugs are you smoking, and may I please have some? If you thought 400m was bad, then what is 550m? Yeah, I bet you didn't know that Large Blasters even had that range did you? And this ain't a joke, except for the part about Large Blasters being a CQC weapon. That's a hilarious joke. And I finally managed to snag a picture of this. I wasn't even in a vehicle. I was in my plain old ADV logi suit. Do you guys believe that this is a problem? for vehicles there is dropoff damage. its useless as a HMG at about 200 meters. get your **** straight. but I would never expect a AVer like you to do that |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:37:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote: Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC.
This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this.
Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits.
Far too easy.
You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's **** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and F***ing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I F***ing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. okay you obviously don't know an damn thing about tanks. can you stop bitching on the forums for once please? |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:knight of 6 wrote:Atiim wrote:knight of 6 wrote:is the assault rifle a cqc weapon? they are both blasters.
why the kitten would you have a cqc weapon on a tank? "I really wanna utilize those tight corners and the natural agility of the HAV to it's advantage"
so... this was poorly thought through and took an unappreciated attitude. It doesn't have to be CQC, but when a Gallente blaster weapon has the range of a Caldari Sniper RIfle, that creates a problem. Heck, I wouldn't even care if it was 100-235m. But 550m? That's idiocy. That's like what, 50m away from a sniper rifle's max range? Even the freaking Thale's doesn't have the zoom fidelity of 550m. your kidding right, this is some kind of joke? we are seriously comparing the range of the primary on a main battle tank to the range of a large caliber sniper rifle. I'm not one to use real world equivalences in a game especially one set in the far future. but I think this adequately demonstrates the enormity of your comparison. Cheytac M200 Intervention effective range: 2000+ yards or a little over a mile. M1 abrams 120mm smooth bore effective range: 2.5 miles you are comparing a man portable railgun to a blaster so big it needs a set of tracks. why in new eden would the railgun have better range. No, I was comparing a Gallente weapon, which according to lore is supposed to be short range; to a Caldari weapon that according to lore is supposed to be long range. Though I do admit I could have worded this a bit better Although, you can complain about my analogy comparing a vehicle weapon to an infantry weapon all you like. It won't make my analogy any less valid or invalid because the principal still applies. A Gallente SHORT RANGE WEAPON should never have range compared to a Caldari LONG RANGE WEAPON. Even if it's mounted on a tank, infantry arms, or even a motherfluxing starship. MY SNIPER RIFLE HAS A RANGE OF 450-500ish METERS BUT THE BLASTERS ON MY MEGATHRON HAVE A RANGE OF 14km. DA FAQ CCP FIX DIS!
size matters...
EDIT: mega fitted T2 void opt like 16ish max 30ish
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1571
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:43:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote: Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC.
This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this.
Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits.
Far too easy.
You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's **** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and F***ing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I F***ing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. okay you obviously don't know an damn thing about tanks. can you stop bitching on the forums for once please? How?
Everything I stated is true.
I have way too much spare CPU left for my own good and when I turn my nitrous on I can easily run circles around most Gunnlogies.
And flattening him? It did happen, though I must admit that the pilot wasn't really that good...
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:46:00 -
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Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote: Yes, but some are under the impression that it is quite literally impossible to use a Blaster in anything outside of CQC.
This mean's that it is quite possible, and with a little bit of elbow grease and luck, anybody could do this.
Also, I don't use Blaster Maddys for the almost the same reason that I no longer have MLT ARs on my Starter Fits.
Far too easy.
You better be using a rail because Missile Maddy's **** me off in tank battles its exploiting the fact that CCP did not make them cost enough CPU, but as anti-infantry just lol. Sounds personal. And what happens if I just upgrade my core skills? Any tanker worth his salt should have plenty of CPU for things like that. Missiles are my favorite turrets are Missiles, and I don't see what the problem is with running them on a Madrugar. Just like dropsuit can fit any weapon in it's tier, Missile turrets should be available for all vehicles. And you think I should use a Gunnlogi instead? Why? I don't think you realize this, but any Madrugar pilot with nitrous can run laps around a Gunnlogi. Heck, one time I turned my hardners and nitrous on and F***ing Flattened a Gunnlogi. I didn't fire at him or anything. I F***ing crushed him by running around in circles and driving on top of him. okay you obviously don't know an damn thing about tanks. can you stop bitching on the forums for once please? How? Everything I stated is true. I have way too much spare CPU left for my own good and when I turn my nitrous on I can easily run circles around most Gunnlogies. And flattening him? It did happen, though I must admit that the pilot wasn't really that good... dude your obviously not a tanker. if you actually had a tank, you would realize how stupid you sound. you have hated tanks ever since you came on the forums. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1571
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:47:00 -
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chase rowland wrote: for vehicles there is dropoff damage. its useless as a HMG at about 200 meters. get your **** straight. but I would never expect a AVer like you to do that
LOL
Facts straight? Coming from a tanker who believes that PRO AV can OHK anything beyond MLT vehicles and poorly fit STD tanks, I find that statement to be pathetic.
And not a single thing I've said has not be said using anything other than facts, and can be replicated in game.
Except for this issue with the Large Blaster. I don't know how you could replicate the AI action
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:53:00 -
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chase rowland wrote: dude your obviously not a tanker. if you actually had a tank, you would realize how stupid you sound. you have hated tanks ever since you came on the forums.
So many assumptions made there, and yet all of them are false.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1572
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Posted - 2013.12.04 14:55:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:Atiim wrote:knight of 6 wrote:Atiim wrote:knight of 6 wrote:is the assault rifle a cqc weapon? they are both blasters.
why the kitten would you have a cqc weapon on a tank? "I really wanna utilize those tight corners and the natural agility of the HAV to it's advantage"
so... this was poorly thought through and took an unappreciated attitude. It doesn't have to be CQC, but when a Gallente blaster weapon has the range of a Caldari Sniper RIfle, that creates a problem. Heck, I wouldn't even care if it was 100-235m. But 550m? That's idiocy. That's like what, 50m away from a sniper rifle's max range? Even the freaking Thale's doesn't have the zoom fidelity of 550m. your kidding right, this is some kind of joke? we are seriously comparing the range of the primary on a main battle tank to the range of a large caliber sniper rifle. I'm not one to use real world equivalences in a game especially one set in the far future. but I think this adequately demonstrates the enormity of your comparison. Cheytac M200 Intervention effective range: 2000+ yards or a little over a mile. M1 abrams 120mm smooth bore effective range: 2.5 miles you are comparing a man portable railgun to a blaster so big it needs a set of tracks. why in new eden would the railgun have better range. No, I was comparing a Gallente weapon, which according to lore is supposed to be short range; to a Caldari weapon that according to lore is supposed to be long range. Though I do admit I could have worded this a bit better Although, you can complain about my analogy comparing a vehicle weapon to an infantry weapon all you like. It won't make my analogy any less valid or invalid because the principal still applies. A Gallente SHORT RANGE WEAPON should never have range compared to a Caldari LONG RANGE WEAPON. Even if it's mounted on a tank, infantry arms, or even a motherfluxing starship. MY SNIPER RIFLE HAS A RANGE OF 450-500ish METERS BUT THE BLASTERS ON MY MEGATHRON HAVE A RANGE OF 14km. DA FAQ CCP FIX DIS! size matters... EDIT: mega fitted T2 void opt like 16ish max 30ish In a video game, size all but matters.
With the "size matters" argument, I could justify the horribly low TTKs and the fact that scouts get 1HK'd by an Assault or Scrambler rifle.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
694
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:04:00 -
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hahaha got killed at somewhat the same distance earlier today by a god-mode AI railgun.
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
758
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:11:00 -
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you could and scouts do, but the size is not significantly different light medium and heavy, they are all limited to man portable weapons and lights use the same weapons as mediums. tanks exist in their own class because their weaponry is significantly larger than infantries. it is so big it can't be carried by a man so they put it on tracks, why would a weapon so big and powerful that it needs tracks have comparable stats to something that can be carried by a man?
this is a losing fight, stop while you have your ...eeerrr sorry.
also I would like to point out that your argument will be completely invalid in 6 days. why? the new turret stats, opt 89.6m max effective 180m.
bringing up the point, why make this thread when it's contents are completely irrelevant.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:04:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:you could and scouts do, but the size is not significantly different light medium and heavy, they are all limited to man portable weapons and lights use the same weapons as mediums. tanks exist in their own class because their weaponry is significantly larger than infantries. it is so big it can't be carried by a man so they put it on tracks, why would a weapon so big and powerful that it needs tracks have comparable stats to something that can be carried by a man?
this is a losing fight, stop while you have your ...eeerrr sorry.
also I would like to point out that your argument will be completely invalid in 6 days. why? the new turret stats, opt 89.6m max effective 180m.
bringing up the point, why make this thread when it's contents are completely irrelevant. You cannot always use real life mechanics to balance a video game. If this game's mechanics were like they were in real life then I guarantee you that few people would want to play DUST.
The turret stats don't have to be compared to a weapon carried by a person. I think I should have worded by statement better, but I was comparing a Gallente short range weapon to a Caldari long range weapon. You can't tell me that any Gallente weapon should have the range to do that. By lore the Large Blaster's design is completely incorrect.
And what fight? I've yet to see any but 2 people here answer any of the questions in the OP. The only practically anyone has said was "I can believe you got taken out by a blaster turret at 550m". There is no fight here at all. It's just a bunch of idiots dodging the question.
"Do you believe this is a problem"?
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Farsund Solheim
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.05 09:47:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Farsund Solheim wrote:I used to get kills quite easily at ~260 meters with my Vayu and stabilized blaster . That was before almost everyone had a proto AV fit. Now my enforcers get popped far too easily. tis sad.
On a side note, could you possibly have hit that blaster with a stray bullet? Most turrets wont even look at you outside a certain distance, but the instant you pop 'em with a single bullet, they while whip around and spit all the fires of hell at you. I was at full health Logistics M/1 Series Shields: 118 HP Armor: 507 I know it wasn't a stray bullet because it was the AI, not a person firing at me. I also know that it wasn't a stray bullet because the turret kept firing until I died.
Sorry, i meant more along the lines of you hitting the turret with a stray bullet while involved in a firefight with someone else, causing the turret to instantly lock onto you and blast you into smithereens... |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.05 13:58:00 -
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Farsund Solheim wrote:Atiim wrote:Farsund Solheim wrote:I used to get kills quite easily at ~260 meters with my Vayu and stabilized blaster . That was before almost everyone had a proto AV fit. Now my enforcers get popped far too easily. tis sad.
On a side note, could you possibly have hit that blaster with a stray bullet? Most turrets wont even look at you outside a certain distance, but the instant you pop 'em with a single bullet, they while whip around and spit all the fires of hell at you. I was at full health Logistics M/1 Series Shields: 118 HP Armor: 507 I know it wasn't a stray bullet because it was the AI, not a person firing at me. I also know that it wasn't a stray bullet because the turret kept firing until I died. Sorry, i meant more along the lines of you hitting the turret with a stray bullet while involved in a firefight with someone else, causing the turret to instantly lock onto you and blast you into smithereens... I wasn't in a firefight. I was actually about to go rep someone when the AI decided to become a sniper
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1843
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Turret AI OP Go take a Blaster Maddy into a fight at 550m and tell me how that works out for you
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