DUST Search - Why play FW now but to grief?

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

Poonmunch wrote:

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

So we can't get OBs, no isk payout, the blueberries blocking our shots now can take away the only rewards we get, the blueberries can now kill our proto gear with no real punishments all so that what-
We can go through a grind to get a single type of weapon that will save us a tiny bit of CPU and PG, probably like 5 PG and 20 CPU?....
Oh and salvage, getting 25% of all that militia gear the enemy used since no one will use protos for fear of getting griefed.

I'm sure as hell not playing FW just to save a few PG and CPU on my rail rifle.
Simple fact-
The cons of FW VASTLY outweigh the benefits.

Let's see how it plays out first.

We can get OBs but they are for EVE pilots to earn only. This will really tighten up the integration of the two games.

Blueberries fragging us will just cause us to wear militia stuff.

Can you imagine guys spawning in proto gear to snipe (like I do), then getting fragged by some self-appointed blueberry judge, then spawning in militia sniper gear and running around in the middle of CQC. The guy will just die over and over then cost the team a fifteen clones.

People want to win, so I really don't think fragging will be a problem. Likely fragging will be more from accidents.

The lack of ISK just makes it necessary to also play regular games to make ISK.

I like savage being based on what was used and not on tables.

Take the bong and relax.

/me passes the bong

Munch

Thing is I can't see the OBs making a big dent in integration, it'll help but it still seems unimportant. Dust players always want eve strikes but its always been crappy for pilots. Now pilots get kill mails and loyalty standings, but I still don't see that being enough to make pilots go through the hassle. Also considering pilots many times cant make it in time to the districts, and now they'll have to orbit for a full 3 minutes as well, it might be significantly harder to even do it once you do have a pilot.

And good players want to win, I don't see the blueberries caring much...
Salvage is a saving grace but people will just use MLT gear more often anyways.

I honestly cannot see a reason to play through the hassle just for a specialist weapon.

And tanx4teh smokeysmokey.

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THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 605	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:00:00 - [1] - Quote So we can't get OBs, no isk payout, the blueberries blocking our shots now can take away the only rewards we get, the blueberries can now kill our proto gear with no real punishments all so that what- We can go through a grind to get a single type of weapon that will save us a tiny bit of CPU and PG, probably like 5 PG and 20 CPU?.... Oh and salvage, getting 25% of all that militia gear the enemy used since no one will use protos for fear of getting griefed. I'm sure as hell not playing FW just to save a few PG and CPU on my rail rifle. Simple fact- The cons of FW VASTLY outweigh the benefits.
Mass Heals Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 123	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:02:00 - [2] - Quote Dude, theres 219 different items and they haven't even released the stats. I can tell you that even a LITTLE CPU/PG will make me even more powerful. Plus, it sounds fun as hell. Quit being so negative.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 952	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:05:00 - [3] - Quote 5 pg and 20 cpu is more than gallente assault gets back from their -25% bonus on a Duvolle AR. With the new FW gear, we get even less of a bonus since the overall weapon requirement will be much less rendering our suit bonus even more useless.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5536	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:05:00 - [4] - Quote Then go back to pub matches if it makes you feel better. No one is making you go into faction warfare. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 371	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:07:00 - [5] - Quote fw is for fighting for your faction. it is a time and isk sink. if you just want rewards don't bother. HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 605	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:08:00 - [6] - Quote Mass Heals wrote: Dude, theres 219 different items and they haven't even released the stats. I can tell you that even a LITTLE CPU/PG will make me even more powerful. Plus, it sounds fun as hell. Quit being so negative. 219 items are AUR equivalents, less skill requirements. the only new weapons, are the ones they said were the new weapons, which are proto specialist items. Saving about enough pg and cpu to change a single enhanced tank mod to a complex, hardly seems worth the grind. Stop being all googly eyed about it and realise that griefing alone will entirely kill the game mode. Also, being negative? You must be new here.
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 371	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:08:00 - [7] - Quote (oh my squad will always get OBs hehehe) HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 606	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:11:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Then go back to pub matches if it makes you feel better. No one is making you go into faction warfare. I said I will?????? Derp
DeadlyAztec11 2476	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:12:00 - [9] - Quote All I know is, I will finally be able to take friendly vehicles >:} Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 605	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:13:00 - [10] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: So we can't get OBs, no isk payout, the blueberries blocking our shots now can take away the only rewards we get, the blueberries can now kill our proto gear with no real punishments all so that what- We can go through a grind to get a single type of weapon that will save us a tiny bit of CPU and PG, probably like 5 PG and 20 CPU?.... Oh and salvage, getting 25% of all that militia gear the enemy used since no one will use protos for fear of getting griefed. I'm sure as hell not playing FW just to save a few PG and CPU on my rail rifle. Simple fact- The cons of FW VASTLY outweigh the benefits. Let's see how it plays out first. We can get OBs but they are for EVE pilots to earn only. This will really tighten up the integration of the two games. Blueberries fragging us will just cause us to wear militia stuff. Can you imagine guys spawning in proto gear to snipe (like I do), then getting fragged by some self-appointed blueberry judge, then spawning in militia sniper gear and running around in the middle of CQC. The guy will just die over and over then cost the team a fifteen clones. People want to win, so I really don't think fragging will be a problem. Likely fragging will be more from accidents. The lack of ISK just makes it necessary to also play regular games to make ISK. I like savage being based on what was used and not on tables. Take the bong and relax. /me passes the bong Munch What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?

Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 79	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:16:00 - [11] - Quote Ill be playing faction war quite a bit for caldari, just for the new market type. I have 75 mill saved from it already in solo play so why not Dedicated scout. Caldari loyalist. Pistol supremacy.
Assert Dominance 0bamacare 523	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:17:00 - [12] - Quote for a pothead i see an quite a bit of complaining from you. you may need to step it up :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROWqjuTM0g < 1.7 leak!
howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 816	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:19:00 - [13] - Quote So, as a squad leader in an FW match, with eve destroyers hovering overhead - when I call in that orbital on top of a blue proto-squad...who gets in trouble for the friendly kills? Me or the Eve pilot? Do I get match kicked because your blue proto squad just raced up into the OB landing zone I just called down?
howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 816	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:23:00 - [14] - Quote So, as a squad leader in an FW match, with eve destroyers hovering overhead - when I call in that orbital on top of a blue proto-squad...who gets in trouble for the friendly kills? Me or the Eve pilot? Do I get match kicked because your blue proto squad just raced up into the OB landing zone I just called down?
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 606	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:24:00 - [15] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: So we can't get OBs, no isk payout, the blueberries blocking our shots now can take away the only rewards we get, the blueberries can now kill our proto gear with no real punishments all so that what- We can go through a grind to get a single type of weapon that will save us a tiny bit of CPU and PG, probably like 5 PG and 20 CPU?.... Oh and salvage, getting 25% of all that militia gear the enemy used since no one will use protos for fear of getting griefed. I'm sure as hell not playing FW just to save a few PG and CPU on my rail rifle. Simple fact- The cons of FW VASTLY outweigh the benefits. Let's see how it plays out first. We can get OBs but they are for EVE pilots to earn only. This will really tighten up the integration of the two games. Blueberries fragging us will just cause us to wear militia stuff. Can you imagine guys spawning in proto gear to snipe (like I do), then getting fragged by some self-appointed blueberry judge, then spawning in militia sniper gear and running around in the middle of CQC. The guy will just die over and over then cost the team a fifteen clones. People want to win, so I really don't think fragging will be a problem. Likely fragging will be more from accidents. The lack of ISK just makes it necessary to also play regular games to make ISK. I like savage being based on what was used and not on tables. Take the bong and relax. /me passes the bong Munch Thing is I can't see the OBs making a big dent in integration, it'll help but it still seems unimportant. Dust players always want eve strikes but its always been crappy for pilots. Now pilots get kill mails and loyalty standings, but I still don't see that being enough to make pilots go through the hassle. Also considering pilots many times cant make it in time to the districts, and now they'll have to orbit for a full 3 minutes as well, it might be significantly harder to even do it once you do have a pilot. And good players want to win, I don't see the blueberries caring much... Salvage is a saving grace but people will just use MLT gear more often anyways. I honestly cannot see a reason to play through the hassle just for a specialist weapon. And tanx4teh smokeysmokey.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 657	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:28:00 - [16] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: All I know is, I will finally be able to take friendly vehicles >:} What you never made a Kincatcarthief fit before? You don't need TK to get a sweet ride >I am in no way condoning the theft of vehicles here I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 377	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:43:00 - [17] - Quote More eve dust link, and you get to see how your battle changed the factional war. Its more interesting and risky than pubs so yeah. Also propaganda gotta love it.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5541	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:47:00 - [18] - Quote According to CCP Foxfour, a little bit of griefing is healthy for the game. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 27	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:06:00 - [19] - Quote I'm a scout sniper. I am guessing I'll be hunted by blue and red dots alike. Not sure I'll end up playing fw due to this. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 109	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:09:00 - [20] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: So we can't get OBs, no isk payout, the blueberries blocking our shots now can take away the only rewards we get, the blueberries can now kill our proto gear with no real punishments all so that what- We can go through a grind to get a single type of weapon that will save us a tiny bit of CPU and PG, probably like 5 PG and 20 CPU?.... Oh and salvage, getting 25% of all that militia gear the enemy used since no one will use protos for fear of getting griefed. I'm sure as hell not playing FW just to save a few PG and CPU on my rail rifle. Simple fact- The cons of FW VASTLY outweigh the benefits. The Amazing Pothead amazingly has a head full of pot... Have a snickers bar and stop being a Negative Nancy. ;)

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5544	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:29:00 - [21] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: I'm a scout sniper. I am guessing I'll be hunted by blue and red dots alike. Not sure I'll end up playing fw due to this. Then do what any sensible sniper would do. Move to a different position every time you shoot and get a little closer to the frontline. Believe it or not, I favor snipers who actually think strategically over snipers who just shoot for farming points. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 740	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:34:00 - [22] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Simple fact- The cons of FW VASTLY outweigh the benefits. Calling an opinion a fact doesn't make it one. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5544	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:37:00 - [23] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Simple fact- The cons of FW VASTLY outweigh the benefits. Calling an opinion a fact doesn't make it one. Exactly. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 28	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:53:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: I'm a scout sniper. I am guessing I'll be hunted by blue and red dots alike. Not sure I'll end up playing fw due to this. Then do what any sensible sniper would do. Move to a different position every time you shoot and get a little closer to the frontline. Believe it or not, I favor snipers who actually think strategically over snipers who just shoot for farming points. depending on the map, I can snipe effectively from 60m away from the fight. On average I get 10 kills. I am always ready to move depends on the flow of the battle and were the bulk of the fighting is going on. Being this close to battle makes me an easier target, for FF. If I was just farming points I would be far away from anything so there would be no issue. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 443	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:58:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: According to CCP Foxfour, a little bit of griefing is healthy for the game. It is, i expect to be killed quite a few times for 'good lulz' Frankly the rage that will come from FW is well worth the risk of not being super leveled with the faction you chose. Also people will use Proto and will proto stomp all they can in FW - you assume that because you are poor (by you i mean the wider you) that others wont bring proto, you are wrong.
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 103	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:38:00 - [26] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Poonmunch wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: So we can't get OBs, no isk payout, the blueberries blocking our shots now can take away the only rewards we get, the blueberries can now kill our proto gear with no real punishments all so that what- We can go through a grind to get a single type of weapon that will save us a tiny bit of CPU and PG, probably like 5 PG and 20 CPU?.... Oh and salvage, getting 25% of all that militia gear the enemy used since no one will use protos for fear of getting griefed. I'm sure as hell not playing FW just to save a few PG and CPU on my rail rifle. Simple fact- The cons of FW VASTLY outweigh the benefits. Let's see how it plays out first. We can get OBs but they are for EVE pilots to earn only. This will really tighten up the integration of the two games. Blueberries fragging us will just cause us to wear militia stuff. Can you imagine guys spawning in proto gear to snipe (like I do), then getting fragged by some self-appointed blueberry judge, then spawning in militia sniper gear and running around in the middle of CQC. The guy will just die over and over then cost the team a fifteen clones. People want to win, so I really don't think fragging will be a problem. Likely fragging will be more from accidents. The lack of ISK just makes it necessary to also play regular games to make ISK. I like savage being based on what was used and not on tables. Take the bong and relax. /me passes the bong Munch Thing is I can't see the OBs making a big dent in integration, it'll help but it still seems unimportant. Dust players always want eve strikes but its always been crappy for pilots. Now pilots get kill mails and loyalty standings, but I still don't see that being enough to make pilots go through the hassle. Also considering pilots many times cant make it in time to the districts, and now they'll have to orbit for a full 3 minutes as well, it might be significantly harder to even do it once you do have a pilot. And good players want to win, I don't see the blueberries caring much... Salvage is a saving grace but people will just use MLT gear more often anyways. I honestly cannot see a reason to play through the hassle just for a specialist weapon. And tanx4teh smokeysmokey. Actually it's better for EVE pilots also. I was flying as EVE pilot above planet one time... It was BORING AS HELL to just wait then I can bombard something, or... do anything! And on the dust side, you got a lot of action, and besides that you need do make warpoints. So this, that EVE pilots need to do something in space too, is actually very good. Both players can play, and not just one side. And besides deciding for witch squad leader coordinates to bombard is also fun: 1) it makes you king of the hill, and you make the decisions 2) more eve-dust link with chatting and talking etc, because squad leaders need to make eve pilot to his side, and help eve pilots to decide so these changings are very good I support BPO removal and RDV to take your vehicles back
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 183	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:18:00 - [27] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: So we can't get OBs, no isk payout, the blueberries blocking our shots now can take away the only rewards we get, the blueberries can now kill our proto gear with no real punishments all so that what- We can go through a grind to get a single type of weapon that will save us a tiny bit of CPU and PG, probably like 5 PG and 20 CPU?.... Oh and salvage, getting 25% of all that militia gear the enemy used since no one will use protos for fear of getting griefed. I'm sure as hell not playing FW just to save a few PG and CPU on my rail rifle. Simple fact- The cons of FW VASTLY outweigh the benefits. good I hope a lot of people think like you because that will make those guns worth that much more on the market.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1962	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:22:00 - [28] - Quote It won't be for everybody.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 605	Posted - 2013.12.04 00:30:00 - [29] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: I'm a scout sniper. I am guessing I'll be hunted by blue and red dots alike. Not sure I'll end up playing fw due to this. I'm a dedicated sniper and I've been thinking about this a bit. If a blue kills you when you snipe, spawn in a militia assault and hunt the guy who killed you. If you die, spawn in again. Rinse and repeat. BECAUSE If you kill the one blue guy who kills you, you lose very little. Especially if you have high faction staring at the start. If you die a lot in militia gear, you lose no standings and no ISK but your team will lose a bunch of clones. This will make your team NOT want to frag you because they can't kick you. If you burn too many clones, your team will get closer and closer to losing. Munch What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?


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