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Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 685	Posted - 2013.12.02 06:34:00 - [1] - Quote I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. *CALDARI MASTER RACE*
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3153	Posted - 2013.12.02 06:40:00 - [2] - Quote There should be more consequences with LP and overall Loyalty. They are catering this game to carebears again as usual. You're 110% right. and I approve of this message. New Eden isn't for schmucks.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 386	Posted - 2013.12.02 06:42:00 - [3] - Quote I can't wait for people to jump in front of my HMG. It won't even kill them.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 150	Posted - 2013.12.02 06:44:00 - [4] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. Seems that you underestimate the ignorance of some in the community . Some just don't and won't care about getting kicked out for minutes . Now a day on the other hand might be different . A lot of people just cant shoot and some move in the line of fire in their pursuit of the enemy . Most need to be more aware of the battlefield and this will be a tale , tale sign of such . Yes they will loose points and standing but some just don't care and see this as a comical moment to exploit . It will be interesting in it's self to see how most handle this new introduction . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1144	Posted - 2013.12.02 06:45:00 - [5] - Quote From my understanding of what they said at EVE Vegas, every teamkill costs you standing with that faction. If your standing goes negative, you are removed from fighting for that faction for 24 hours. I forget if they gave us any direct numbers, but from the sounds of it the number of teamkills needed to drop you into the red is fairly low. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1311	Posted - 2013.12.02 06:45:00 - [6] - Quote I'm a bad person i would never get past the first tier for amarr from all the team killing i would do. It will be deserved team killing but team killing none the less. Amarr Dual tanking is a sin Listen when playing dust for 25% KDR improvement
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1625	Posted - 2013.12.02 06:52:00 - [7] - Quote More severe. But not as severe for people with high LP amounts. They are supposed to be valuable FW players, so they should be forgiven for an occasional TK. Noobs joining FW just to TK should be insta-kicked and we should be allowed to kick the player who killed us, if we can tell that it was done on purpose. The new FW promises to be our first serious game mode for this game (finally u_u), so people should take it seriously. I don't want to deal with moronic griefers while I try to help my Faction. If you want to mess around, play Public Games. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 95	Posted - 2013.12.02 06:56:00 - [8] - Quote Friendly fire? Oh wonderful I'm just going to love the same 'friendly' idiots shooting my vehicles with forge-guns and installations actually being able to kill them now... and no kicking them from the match isn't 'compensation' for that. Kill a friendly? It gets taken from your wallet, unless you're forgiven.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5677	Posted - 2013.12.02 06:58:00 - [9] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: More severe. But not as severe for people with high LP amounts. They are supposed to be valuable FW players, so they should be forgiven for an occasional TK. Noobs joining FW just to TK should be insta-kicked and we should be allowed to kick the player who killed us, if we can tell that it was done on purpose. The new FW promises to be our first serious game mode for this game (finally u_u), so people should take it seriously. I don't want to deal with moronic griefers while I try to help my Faction. If you want to mess around, play Public Games. If you put kicking in the hands of the players, it would be overused and used for griefing. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Hyuan BubblePOP Uber Wanabes 6	Posted - 2013.12.02 06:59:00 - [10] - Quote theres always some douche or a crew/clan of tkers on alts in every game that has that feature, i hate it....

Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 249	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:05:00 - [11] - Quote This is good training for PC, if CCP ever makes that worthwhile.... Anyways... I will love it. I will not tk anyone fighting for the Caldari. Unless they are idiots and do stupid things, like run in front of my rifle or farm points off of a kill/revive loop. Names of playstyles
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 151	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:08:00 - [12] - Quote There should be larger penalties for friendly fire casualties ... and if someone is friendly fire killed will this go into their overall KDR ??? This would be bad if this is the case and wouldn't be a true sign of the effectiveness of a player so maybe this should be looked into as well . Money , fractional points as well as a war point tax and time allowed should come into play if friendly fire is manipulated . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1101	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:16:00 - [13] - Quote I think for the first few days, no penalties, why? Because it'll be hell on earth, fw, will be worse than 1.4 day one? Give everyone time to stop running infront of each other then add penalties. BUT NO RESTRICTIONS, AWOXING NEEDS TO STILL BE VIABLE thats half the point of new eden. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1146	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:16:00 - [14] - Quote I think its good that CCP is allowing griefing in FW, it suits the New Eden universe well. It's also good that the system discourages sustained griefing, as there is a similar system in EVE FW. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 249	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:24:00 - [15] - Quote You grief in EVE, at least in High-Sec, you get destroyed by CONCORD. You do it here... nothing. Or, at least, noting till 1.7. Names of playstyles
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1147	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:27:00 - [16] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: You grief in EVE, at least in High-Sec, you get destroyed by CONCORD. You do it here... nothing. Or, at least, noting till 1.7. Random Battles are high-sec on Dust, and there is no friendly fire. Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest however are Low-Sec where CONCORD does nothing, but you still take a standings hit. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1211	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:27:00 - [17] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. The problem starts when people make new random accounts to just waste people on their own side, like with those guys who jumped out of their Lavs prior to running over a teamate on purpose, you will see that happening so much, theres not gonna be a whole lot of FW left, worst part is, you cant even protect yourself by shooting back at them when they try to kill you, because it will harm your own LP. In essence, those *-holes will milk double tear digits, its sad, but it will happen, in eve this is less of a factor because every playing is on a "payed" account, Dust being free...you better watch your back. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 249	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:28:00 - [18] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: You grief in EVE, at least in High-Sec, you get destroyed by CONCORD. You do it here... nothing. Or, at least, noting till 1.7. Random Battles are high-sec on Dust, and there is no friendly fire. Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest however are Low-Sec where CONCORD does nothing, but you still take a standings hit. I know, I was just saying. And if you have a LEGAL war, High-Sec means nothing. Names of playstyles
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1147	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:31:00 - [19] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: You grief in EVE, at least in High-Sec, you get destroyed by CONCORD. You do it here... nothing. Or, at least, noting till 1.7. Random Battles are high-sec on Dust, and there is no friendly fire. Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest however are Low-Sec where CONCORD does nothing, but you still take a standings hit. I know, I was just saying. And if you have a LEGAL war, High-Sec means nothing. Now that would be an interesting mechanic. War Decs in Dust. Allowing corps to pay in order to teamkill people from a certain corp in random battles. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 249	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:34:00 - [20] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: You grief in EVE, at least in High-Sec, you get destroyed by CONCORD. You do it here... nothing. Or, at least, noting till 1.7. Random Battles are high-sec on Dust, and there is no friendly fire. Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest however are Low-Sec where CONCORD does nothing, but you still take a standings hit. I know, I was just saying. And if you have a LEGAL war, High-Sec means nothing. Now that would be an interesting mechanic. War Decs in Dust. Allowing corps to pay in order to teamkill people from a certain corp in random battles. People be declaring war JUST TO KILL ME!!!! I love it. lol I'm just kidding, of course, but it would still be awesome. Names of playstyles

Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 19	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:41:00 - [21] - Quote What happens when a corp is essentially the majority on both sides? What stops one side griefing to help the greater majority of their corp winning on the other side? Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1626	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:42:00 - [22] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. The problem starts when people make new random accounts to just waste people on their own side, like with those guys who jumped out of their Lavs prior to running over a teamate on purpose, you will see that happening so much, theres not gonna be a whole lot of FW left, worst part is, you cant even protect yourself by shooting back at them when they try to kill you, because it will harm your own LP. In essence, those -holes will milk double tear digits, its sad, but it will happen, in eve this is less of a factor because every playing is on a "payed" account, Dust being free...you better watch your back. I think a good way to go would be always play FW with good friends, so if one person is victim of griefing, the rest of the squad will make the TKer regret being such an idiot -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"*
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 249	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:43:00 - [23] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: What happens when a corp is essentially the majority on both sides? What stops one side griefing to help the greater majority of their corp winning on the other side? I find it more fun to shoot AT my friends on the other team than to TK. I'm in the minority here. Names of playstyles
usuckatdust Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 24	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:50:00 - [24] - Quote KILL ALL PUS.SY CAMPERS. if ur on my team playing circle jerk in the back. expect a good shot to ur brain-dead dome. now only if we had a vote-to-kick button also :S
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 249	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:52:00 - [25] - Quote Like for the killing campers. Not so much for vote to kick, but I kinda like that, too. Names of playstyles
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1214	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:57:00 - [26] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. The problem starts when people make new random accounts to just waste people on their own side, like with those guys who jumped out of their Lavs prior to running over a teamate on purpose, you will see that happening so much, theres not gonna be a whole lot of FW left, worst part is, you cant even protect yourself by shooting back at them when they try to kill you, because it will harm your own LP. In essence, those -holes will milk double tear digits, its sad, but it will happen, in eve this is less of a factor because every playing is on a "payed" account, Dust being free...you better watch your back. I think a good way to go would be always play FW with good friends, so if one person is victim of griefing, the rest of the squad will make the TKer regret being such an idiot That would still mean the griefer wins by having LP deducted from your friends killing the griefer 30 times over in a match, most on here are not familier with games where everything goes and the last man standing wins. But on the PC there are so called HardCore games, if you die you loose all your stuff. (the ohter guy then gets all your stuff) On one example: Say you make a new friend at the safezone (cant kill each other here) and decide to hit town to look for some loot, this all works perfectly until your friend finds a Gun* at that point he will instantly equip balls and shoot you in the face with em... Its pretty much a given, that when a total stranger you team up with, gets a weapon, he will try to kill you with it, i have not found out otherwise in those games....its also shoot first ask if your pottential new friendl are friendly after they are dead, you will always get the same response that they indeed were friendly and had no intention of killing you, altough when they meet up with your earlier while you where on another character, they clubbed you to death like a baby seal, on the instant you turned around after you joined them. I don't see how its gonna be much diffrent in FW...theres always going to be one dck in there trying to ruin it for everyone else, or full squads of pre-made dck friends where the only option is to back out of the game. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1628	Posted - 2013.12.02 08:06:00 - [27] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: That would still mean the griefer wins by having LP deducted from your friends killing the griefer 30 times over in a match, most on here are not familier with games where everything goes and the last man standing wins. True. Maybe friendly fire is not a good idea. At all. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1216	Posted - 2013.12.02 08:09:00 - [28] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: That would still mean the griefer wins by having LP deducted from your friends killing the griefer 30 times over in a match, most on here are not familier with games where everything goes and the last man standing wins. True. Maybe friendly fire is not a good idea. At all. Yepz... The only way a griefer can't win is when you're not playing his game. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Cosgar ParagonX 8189	Posted - 2013.12.02 08:16:00 - [29] - Quote It's going to be fun watching all the pubstompers melting each other just to try and get a kill. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 540	Posted - 2013.12.02 08:20:00 - [30] - Quote I love my booby traps (Tee-hee, I said traps ) So stay away from me and you'll be fine "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"

deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 115	Posted - 2013.12.02 08:20:00 - [31] - Quote I love the idea of friendly fire. The only problem is orbitals will kill friendlies as well killing peoples urge to squad for orbitals. Yes, plenty of people will still squad but it removes alot of incentive primarily for people who are new or not in corporations. I feel like it is going to lead to lots of lone wolves in FW and make it interesting to say the least. Friendly fire in FW needs to wait until orbitals delivered by EVE pilots is properly integrated.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 720	Posted - 2013.12.02 08:21:00 - [32] - Quote I-¦m going roleplay an minmatar terrorist... with REs duct taped to his chest. In amarr FW. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 619	Posted - 2013.12.02 10:05:00 - [33] - Quote I think more needles will be needed SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 903	Posted - 2013.12.02 10:10:00 - [34] - Quote I can't wait. No longer will blueberry step in front of my SCR volley and try to steal my kill. They'll be dead before they realized what they did. I'll take whatever penalty they give me, because I've missed countless killshots, because the blueberry gets stupid. "Oh wow, that guy's shields instantly disappeared, and his armor is dropping! I better step out and try to steal that kill with my AR from 80m out." dead "What the heck, that SCR just shot me in the back of my head for no reason!" Play PC with me one game and you learn really quick...
DeadlyAztec11 2463	Posted - 2013.12.02 10:13:00 - [35] - Quote Just force over the ISK I lost from their account into mine. That way, they always loose for team killing. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 684	Posted - 2013.12.02 10:13:00 - [36] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: I can't wait for people to jump in front of my HMG. It won't even kill them. LOL... I cant wait for Blueberries to jump in front of my Plasma Cannon. One direct hit one kill. Blueberries love jumping in front of me. Plasma Cannon Advocate
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1216	Posted - 2013.12.02 10:19:00 - [37] - Quote I do wonder how much LP those Massdriver spammers are gonna get at the end of the match ...oh wait .... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
dogmanpig black market bank 71	Posted - 2013.12.02 10:35:00 - [38] - Quote i don't think it'll matter one bit You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4471	Posted - 2013.12.02 10:53:00 - [39] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. Everyone fights no body quits, or I'll kill you myself. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 619	Posted - 2013.12.02 10:56:00 - [40] - Quote explosives are gonna be a *****! SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED

The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1912	Posted - 2013.12.02 11:07:00 - [41] - Quote Wasnt there a devblog/post where it was beeing talked about that people who perform too many TK's are beeing kicked out of FW? I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 435	Posted - 2013.12.02 11:10:00 - [42] - Quote I'll be killing everyone AFK in the MCC and everyone redline sniping. Good luck who ever is on my team. That **** will end real fast. Newb
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 435	Posted - 2013.12.02 11:12:00 - [43] - Quote Cosgar wrote: It's going to be fun watching all the pubstompers melting each other just to try and get a kill. Most of us play PC enough to know how to not kill each other. Newb
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 15	Posted - 2013.12.02 11:27:00 - [44] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Wasnt there a devblog/post where it was beeing talked about that people who perform too many TK's are beeing kicked out of FW? Yes there is, but I can't be bothered to find it and link it. For TK you get -50 WP (like in PC), lose standing with your faction and maybe some LP loss, not sure. After X amount of TKs, you are kicked from the game.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 932	Posted - 2013.12.02 12:34:00 - [45] - Quote should def be in fw..blues need to learn not to strafe in front off friendly bullet streams
jin foxdale Jedi Slime. 126	Posted - 2013.12.02 12:44:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. Everyone fights no body quits, or I'll kill you myself. +1 - Verhoeven rules. If you see me in the redline, driving an LAV in circles, fear not! Its my two year old son enjoying New Eden.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 392	Posted - 2013.12.02 12:51:00 - [47] - Quote I think friendly fire is beautiful in thought but when it comes to reality it can be difficult for many to handle. In tournaments this is obviously the only way to go.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 760	Posted - 2013.12.02 13:24:00 - [48] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. Um. They are adding it. "It's made with bits of real Gallente. So you know it's good." -GÇö Brian Fantana paraphrased
Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 15	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:27:00 - [49] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. LMAO, I would just create alts and cause mass grief.
Joel II X AHPA 263	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:32:00 - [50] - Quote I'll be getting a few TKs intentionally. Mostly on AFKers, annoying peeps, or when I'm bored on my corp mates.

Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 696	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:45:00 - [51] - Quote Elmo Love U wrote: Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. LMAO, I would just create alts and cause mass grief. What if it wasn't limited to 1 character? *CALDARI MASTER RACE*
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2036	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:53:00 - [52] - Quote I get the impression that half the people in this thread didn't read FoxFour's threads on FW 2.0. All but one has lost its sticky and fallen off the first page now. Anyway, alts take 10 hours to recycle and new mercs without loyalty standings won't be able to team kill much before they get kicked and have the 24 hour timer. Unless you start messing with separate PSN accounts you won't be doing much griefing before you're done for the day. I'm guessing most griefers will try and then get bored and move on to something more rewarding. I'm curious how friendly fire is going to work out for normal players seeking to advance their faction. // Matari Warrior // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 949	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:01:00 - [53] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: I get the impression that half the people in this thread didn't read FoxFour's threads on FW 2.0. All but one has lost its sticky and fallen off the first page now. Anyway, alts take 10 hours to recycle and new mercs without loyalty standings won't be able to team kill much before they get kicked and have the 24 hour timer. Unless you start messing with separate PSN accounts you won't be doing much griefing before you're done for the day. I'm guessing most griefers will try and then get bored and move on to something more rewarding. I'm curious how friendly fire is going to work out for normal players seeking to advance their faction. It goes both ways, you can have people jump in front of you or jump into your grenades, blood would be on your hands, not theirs. You can also shoot a teamate until he's near dead and let the enemy finish your teamate off. Too many problems to make FF FW worth it.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 15	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:40:00 - [54] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: I get the impression that half the people in this thread didn't read FoxFour's threads on FW 2.0. All but one has lost its sticky and fallen off the first page now. Anyway, alts take 10 hours to recycle and new mercs without loyalty standings won't be able to team kill much before they get kicked and have the 24 hour timer. Unless you start messing with separate PSN accounts you won't be doing much griefing before you're done for the day. I'm guessing most griefers will try and then get bored and move on to something more rewarding. I'm curious how friendly fire is going to work out for normal players seeking to advance their faction. It goes both ways, you can have people jump in front of you or jump into your grenades, blood would be on your hands, not theirs. You can also shoot a teamate until he's near dead and let the enemy finish your teamate off. Too many problems to make FF FW worth it. Was thinking this myself. Why get banned for 24 hours when you can just spam flux grenades or pepper your team with bullets to make it easier for the enemy. It's a cheap tactic and hopefully people will have some decency and refrain from such actions. But then again, this is Dust.......
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 250	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:03:00 - [55] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Wasnt there a devblog/post where it was beeing talked about that people who perform too many TK's are beeing kicked out of FW? Dev Blog on FW matches Names of playstyles
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8204	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:09:00 - [56] - Quote I think it's gonna be a bit of a nightmare for vehicles ISK / Vids / Stream
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2413	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:41:00 - [57] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. It's going to be f*cking brilliant, I'm going to execute Thale's users within our own redline if we start losing. No.
DiGreatDestroyer Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 32	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:53:00 - [58] - Quote I would shot at people until they are almost dead, then let the enemy get the kill Oh, the posibilities xD
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 257	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:54:00 - [59] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I think it should be added in, and as punishment for killing friendlies, you would lose loyalty points per kill. Yes accidents happen, so the loss should start out small, and as you begin to kill more and more allies, the payment rises to the eventual boot from the match. Once you are kicked, you are temporarily suspended from joining in any other battles for that faction for 15 minutes... more or less if you guys think the punishment should be more severe or not. That's pretty much what's happening... Who cares what some sniper has to say
Fox Gaden Bojo's School of the Trades 1726	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:17:00 - [60] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Friendly fire? Oh wonderful I'm just going to love the same 'friendly' idiots shooting my vehicles with forge-guns and installations actually being able to kill them now... and no kicking them from the match isn't 'compensation' for that. Kill a friendly? It gets taken from your wallet, unless you're forgiven. On top of the measures they announced, I think they should also have a GÇ£you break it, you buy itGÇ¥ mechanic for friendly fire, so if you kill a teammate or destroy a friendly vehicle, the cost of the suit, or vehicle gets automatically transferred from your personal wallet to their personal wallet. AUM items should be reimbursed with an equivalent amount of ISK. Renier Gaden: CEO of Immortal Guides Fox Gaden: TCO & TMO for BSotT Crash Gaden: Operations Director, Immortal Guide

Llast 326 An Arkhos 633	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:21:00 - [61] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Friendly fire? Oh wonderful I'm just going to love the same 'friendly' idiots shooting my vehicles with forge-guns and installations actually being able to kill them now... and no kicking them from the match isn't 'compensation' for that. Kill a friendly? It gets taken from your wallet, unless you're forgiven. On top of the measures they announced, I think they should also have a GÇ£you break it, you buy itGÇ¥ mechanic for friendly fire, so if you kill a teammate or destroy a friendly vehicle, the cost of the suit, or vehicle gets automatically transferred from your personal wallet to their personal wallet. AUM items should be reimbursed with an equivalent amount of ISK. Not a bad idea AUR items will be available for LP too according to the FW2.0 Raises the question about debt in ISK and LP though. What if someone does not have the scratch to pay for a 1mil dropship? I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
CrotchGrab 360 Commando Perkone Caldari State 392	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:32:00 - [62] - Quote enjoy losing 2m ISK tanks to scrubs sat in installations. enjoy being team killed to a guy with a militia shotgun shooting your protosuit in the back. friendly fire just opens up another part of the playground. in a bad way. friendly fire will ruin this game. mark my words.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 265	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:53:00 - [63] - Quote I'm really looking forward to FF coming to FW. I loved playing hardcore in BF3 which had FF and even after over a year of playing it constantly before starting Dust a year ago, I have no memory of people trolling with FF. It's going to be alot more interesting here though with ISK and Aurum on the line, and trolling will be an issue, hopefully on the minor scale Whatever about dropsuits though, it's vehicles that could be bearing the brunt of the trolling. From the details CCP have given it'll be fairly easy to damage a friendly vehicle with a number of weapons/turrets/other vehicles when they are about to engage the enemy, but just stop shy of the killshot, letting the enemy finish them. Hopefully there will be some mechanic that will penalise players if they cause alot of damage to teammates, regardless of whether they kill them or not, to try to deter this, but I'm not optimistic
Cosgar ParagonX 8204	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:56:00 - [64] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Cosgar wrote: It's going to be fun watching all the pubstompers melting each other just to try and get a kill. Most of us play PC enough to know how to not kill each other. Most, but no all. I'm forseeing a decline in M-1/Core locus grenade spam as well. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 218	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:06:00 - [65] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: More severe. But not as severe for people with high LP amounts. They are supposed to be valuable FW players, so they should be forgiven for an occasional TK. Noobs joining FW just to TK should be insta-kicked and we should be allowed to kick the player who killed us, if we can tell that it was done on purpose. The new FW promises to be our first serious game mode for this game (finally u_u), so people should take it seriously. I don't want to deal with moronic griefers while I try to help my Faction. If you want to mess around, play Public Games. If you put kicking in the hands of the players, it would be overused and used for griefing. That's funny because most AAA shooters have that option.
DaNizzle4shizle The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 94	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:08:00 - [66] - Quote FINALLY! now i can kill those stupid blues that wont leave my ds or lav 2nd Commander of The dyst0pian Corporation. I can stand blueberries. but i cannot stand a ProtoStomp. -DaNizzle4shizle
Cosgar ParagonX 8205	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:10:00 - [67] - Quote DaNizzle4shizle wrote: FINALLY! now i can kill those stupid blues that wont leave my ds or lav Umm, you already can. Vehicle redzones are different from infantry redzones. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 113	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:17:00 - [68] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Friendly fire? Oh wonderful I'm just going to love the same 'friendly' idiots shooting my vehicles with forge-guns and installations actually being able to kill them now... and no kicking them from the match isn't 'compensation' for that. Kill a friendly? It gets taken from your wallet, unless you're forgiven. On top of the measures they announced, I think they should also have a GÇ£you break it, you buy itGÇ¥ mechanic for friendly fire, so if you kill a teammate or destroy a friendly vehicle, the cost of the suit, or vehicle gets automatically transferred from your personal wallet to their personal wallet. AUM items should be reimbursed with an equivalent amount of ISK. Not a bad idea AUR items will be available for LP too according to the FW2.0 Raises the question about debt in ISK and LP though. What if someone does not have the scratch to pay for a 1mil dropship? Same thing that happens in eve if you get caught doing something like buying isk - you go into negatives and you stay in negatives unable to buy stuff until you work it off. I've seen people with -600m isk in eve and all they had access to was a rookie ship. Blow up friendly tanks / dropships? Enjoy being at -10m isk and unable to buy anything until you grind it out in militia suits.
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES 73	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:20:00 - [69] - Quote I'm not too keen on the idea...there will just be blueberries trolling around shooting everything. MmMmMm TanKs....delicious TanKs
Llast 326 An Arkhos 633	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:23:00 - [70] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Friendly fire? Oh wonderful I'm just going to love the same 'friendly' idiots shooting my vehicles with forge-guns and installations actually being able to kill them now... and no kicking them from the match isn't 'compensation' for that. Kill a friendly? It gets taken from your wallet, unless you're forgiven. On top of the measures they announced, I think they should also have a GÇ£you break it, you buy itGÇ¥ mechanic for friendly fire, so if you kill a teammate or destroy a friendly vehicle, the cost of the suit, or vehicle gets automatically transferred from your personal wallet to their personal wallet. AUM items should be reimbursed with an equivalent amount of ISK. Not a bad idea AUR items will be available for LP too according to the FW2.0 Raises the question about debt in ISK and LP though. What if someone does not have the scratch to pay for a 1mil dropship? Same thing that happens in eve if you get caught doing something like buying isk - you go into negatives and you stay in negatives unable to buy stuff until you work it off. I've seen people with -600m isk in eve and all they had access to was a rookie ship. Blow up friendly tanks / dropships? Enjoy being at -10m isk and unable to buy anything until you grind it out in militia suits. Nice Did not know that they did that. However free accounts present a problem Dustside, no? I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die

MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 116	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:08:00 - [71] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Friendly fire? Oh wonderful I'm just going to love the same 'friendly' idiots shooting my vehicles with forge-guns and installations actually being able to kill them now... and no kicking them from the match isn't 'compensation' for that. Kill a friendly? It gets taken from your wallet, unless you're forgiven. On top of the measures they announced, I think they should also have a GÇ£you break it, you buy itGÇ¥ mechanic for friendly fire, so if you kill a teammate or destroy a friendly vehicle, the cost of the suit, or vehicle gets automatically transferred from your personal wallet to their personal wallet. AUM items should be reimbursed with an equivalent amount of ISK. Not a bad idea AUR items will be available for LP too according to the FW2.0 Raises the question about debt in ISK and LP though. What if someone does not have the scratch to pay for a 1mil dropship? Same thing that happens in eve if you get caught doing something like buying isk - you go into negatives and you stay in negatives unable to buy stuff until you work it off. I've seen people with -600m isk in eve and all they had access to was a rookie ship. Blow up friendly tanks / dropships? Enjoy being at -10m isk and unable to buy anything until you grind it out in militia suits. Nice Did not know that they did that. However free accounts present a problem Dustside, no? Not really, and if they do simply disable isk transfers until you're out of the red.
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4476	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:16:00 - [72] - Quote I'm concerned too many idiot blue dots will stand infront of my tank as I am firing.....WHY I will scream as I am kicked for doing my job as one too many blue dots do something stupid. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Llast 326 An Arkhos 633	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:20:00 - [73] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: snip Not really, and if they do simply disable isk transfers until you're out of the red. I was thinking more of one offing characters and then biomassing them if the debt load is negative. I suppose this could be curbed the way you say and adding a ISK cost to Goo your clone. I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Llast 326 An Arkhos 633	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:22:00 - [74] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I'm concerned too many idiot blue dots will stand infront of my tank as I am firing.....WHY I will scream as I am kicked for doing my job as one too many blue dots do something stupid. Well yes there is that I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 38	Posted - 2013.12.02 23:38:00 - [75] - Quote Griefing incoming...lol already got people dropping vehicles on their own team already because they chose a different play-style and don't use the same fitting as the rest of the elitists. Even with the penalties it wont stop it from happening. You get team killed if they don't like what you are doing, or team killed for being better than them. Level 5 Proficiency in Tupperware handling.
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4484	Posted - 2013.12.02 23:41:00 - [76] - Quote Admonishment wrote: Griefing incoming...lol already got people dropping vehicles on their own team already because they chose a different play-style and don't use the same fitting as the rest of the elitists. Even with the penalties it wont stop it from happening. There aren't any elitists in FW. Just loyalists and mercenary scum. One side cares about winning, the other does not. Commissar _________ insert suitable 40k reference here is going to be in FW matches ensuring all our soldiers fight, or die honourably by the bullet. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"


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