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KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2640	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:15:00 - [31] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Hold on so your only problem with scanners is that there is one that can detect everythin? Thats it? You don't care so long as the scout is completly invisible to radar? I'm sorry but there should be a counter to EVERYTHING, in the case of profile damping thats the scanner. If the way scanners worked wasn't so problematic it wouldn't be a problem. Mark My words, while the DUVOLLE FOCUSED ACTIVE SCANNER exist,there is not space in competitive gaming for Scouts. The thing is, if Scouts at Proto Level and Proto Passive Skills with a Proto Profile Dampener should not be able to be SCANNED. THe Duvolle F. A.Scanner needs to be REMOVED or their scan increased to 10s duration,same range , But 23db. NOT 15db. Maybe the Scout's DAMPENING wont have any counter,but the scout itself is highly fragile and has many counters itself. Please Support my Active Scanner Thread HERE ==> X
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1660	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:20:00 - [32] - Quote I hate having to run a basic and complex on my full stealth scout. I think non scouts shouldn't be able to carry scanners. Or if they can, then they blip on enemy radar if their scan profile is higher then the scanner they are using. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2643	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:22:00 - [33] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I hate having to run a basic and complex on my full stealth scout. I think non scouts shouldn't be able to carry scanners. Or if they can, then they blip on enemy radar if their scan profile is higher then the scanner they are using. You know, your ''FULL STEALTH scout''? He runs at 20db AT BEST. Meaning EVEN with your 2 slot sacrifice, A Duvolle A.Scanner would still pick you up. So ''Full stealth is actually IMPOSSIBLE,thanks to the D.F.A.Scanner. (unless you want to put 4 Cx Profile Dampeners on a Gal Scout, LOL) Please Support my Active Scanner Thread HERE ==> X
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 117	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:26:00 - [34] - Quote Still think my idea is better. Message from Godin: I agree with Rog.Gal Scouts need their niche.
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1660	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:28:00 - [35] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I hate having to run a basic and complex on my full stealth scout. I think non scouts shouldn't be able to carry scanners. Or if they can, then they blip on enemy radar if their scan profile is higher then the scanner they are using. You know, your ''FULL STEALTH scout''? He runs at 20db AT BEST. Meaning EVEN with your 2 slot sacrifice, A Duvolle A.Scanner would still pick you up. So ''Full stealth is actually IMPOSSIBLE,thanks to the D.F.A.Scanner. (unless you want to put 4 Cx Profile Dampeners on a Gal Scout, LOL) Damn, guess I haven't run up to one in pubs. I just ran a match and was scanned with a complex mod and level 5 skills across the board, I figured that was the focused scanner, seems I was wrong. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2646	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:31:00 - [36] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I hate having to run a basic and complex on my full stealth scout. I think non scouts shouldn't be able to carry scanners. Or if they can, then they blip on enemy radar if their scan profile is higher then the scanner they are using. You know, your ''FULL STEALTH scout''? He runs at 20db AT BEST. Meaning EVEN with your 2 slot sacrifice, A Duvolle A.Scanner would still pick you up. So ''Full stealth is actually IMPOSSIBLE,thanks to the D.F.A.Scanner. (unless you want to put 4 Cx Profile Dampeners on a Gal Scout, LOL) Damn, guess I haven't run up to one in pubs. I just ran a match and was scanned with a complex mod and level 5 skills across the board, I figured that was the focused scanner, seems I was wrong. Well the thing is , in a Pub match i can SEE a scout being able to avoid Scanners all of the time,because of effectiveness the Quantum at 28db is better. But NO Serious CORP will leave a SCOUT unattended in a PC match,and THIS is what really concerns me. BTW if you have Scout Lv5,Passive Dampening Lv5, you only need a Basic Profile Dampener to take your Scan Profile all the way down to 25,there by avoiding Proto Scanners. Again, except the Focused one.... Please Support my Active Scanner Thread HERE ==> X
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1291	Posted - 2013.12.02 02:35:00 - [37] - Quote Cat Merc had a fantastic idea that addresses both the efficacy of scanners and dampers(and a whole lot else if taken to it's logical conclusion) in one beautiful system. Here. Basically scanners and dampers would leverage the base suit values. This would mean that scouts would profit the most from the mechanic, effectively leveraging scanning/damping modules more than any other suit was capable of. It solves the scanner problem nicely. I think it's a great mechanic and could add a lot of immersion and depth to the game, and it could be profitably employed to other areas than just scanning. I support SP rollover.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2649	Posted - 2013.12.02 02:42:00 - [38] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Cat Merc had a fantastic idea that addresses both the efficacy of scanners and dampers(and a whole lot else if taken to it's logical conclusion) in one beautiful system. Here. Basically scanners and dampers would leverage the base suit values. This would mean that scouts would profit the most from the mechanic, effectively leveraging scanning/damping modules more than any other suit was capable of. It solves the scanner problem nicely. I think it's a great mechanic and could add a lot of immersion and depth to the game, and it could be profitably employed to other areas than just scanning. Yeah it IS a pretty decent mechanic. I will like his post but will keep mine regardless,as mine takes a LOT LESS effort and time from CCP, just needing to change the Duvolle Active scanner up to 23 db Scan Or Remove it... Ty for your interest in the post. Support SCOUTS : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124408&find=unread
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2671	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:41:00 - [39] - Quote shameless bump. Support SCOUTS : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124408&find=unread
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 703	Posted - 2013.12.03 04:23:00 - [40] - Quote I think that proto AS equipped on only Gal Scout should be able to detect other scouts who have dampening skills. In other words AS should be dependent on the user's built in scanning strength. Logi should not be as good with AS as scout. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2699	Posted - 2013.12.03 04:38:00 - [41] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: I think that proto AS equipped on only Gal Scout should be able to detect other scouts who have dampening skills. In other words AS should be dependent on the user's built in scanning strength. Logi should not be as good with AS as scout. You are correct, please refer to Vrain Matari's Post 3 posts above yours. And mine 2 posts above yours. :3 Support SCOUTS : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124408&find=unread
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 68	Posted - 2013.12.03 05:22:00 - [42] - Quote The fact that no amount of sp can send us to complete stealth vs scanners is rather irritating honestly. I beat all adv scanners currently with an enhanced dampener and my skill increases, but since theres no benefit for me taking it to max level, due to the one scanner that will still catch me regardless of skill points, I dont bother. That should never happen honesty. Dedicated scout. Caldari loyalist. Pistol supremacy.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2699	Posted - 2013.12.03 05:23:00 - [43] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: The fact that no amount of sp can send us to complete stealth vs scanners is rather irritating honestly. I beat all adv scanners currently with an enhanced dampener and my skill increases, but since theres no benefit for me taking it to max level, due to the one scanner that will still catch me regardless of skill points, I dont bother. That should never happen honesty. Thats what i really think.... : / You do understand u.u Support SCOUTS : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124408&find=unread
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2732	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:50:00 - [44] - Quote YOU KNOW WHAT? FORGET ALL THIS. WITH SHIELD DELAY INCREASED Scouts are Freakn DEAD anyways.... Start Saving SP for Combat/Rail Rifles and Armored Med frames... ARMOR514 is coming.... Support SCOUTS : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124408&find=unread
ELITE INQUISITOR Eternal Beings 38	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:40:00 - [45] - Quote I agree with radar visibility only. It would help scouts out tremendously even when scanned. If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 468	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:51:00 - [46] - Quote A dedicated scout who skills up profile dampening to anything past Lvl 2 is wasting SP. That's all you need plus one miltiia dampener to avoid 28dB scanners, and it's not worth it to avoid 15dB as only the Gal Scout with 4x complex can do it. That said, the attributes of the 15dB scanner are terrible. The cooldown time is so long that your target is only illuminated for 30% of the time. You would need three people running this scanner in the same squad and trading off scans in order to provide the level of constant intel of a quantum scanner. And scouts, if you manage to force your enemy to do this, you're doing well by your team as the enemy's combat effectiveness will be reduced (high PG cost, longer time spent scanning).


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