Quoting me is ok but I call copyright infringement for not citing sources. +1

Sorry, bro-ham, but I needed to have that quote all by it's lonesome. I've got respect for the messenger, you, but I had to have that on it's lonesome so that I could put it in my sig as my code.

I really am going to need it soon. I've heard talk of nerfing logi WP (somehow) and that WP cap on EVERYTHING I DID AS A LOGI that prevented me from getting anything for doing my job in the thickest of battle is what convinced me to take a long break from Dust. Worked out because it was removed, but now it might be coming back.

I am sure CCP understands that Logi is not OP. There are plenty of people who play logi that just have a ton more sp than the majority of the qqers and it can quite clearly spell out to CCP what is going on. If not then they are blind.

I would like you to watch this video and show me an assault that can achieve the same HP, damage, and versatility.

It's OP. Sorry.

So people keep throwing this video up as an example of why Logis are OP. I watched it and broke down the kills below. In short, the stars lined up perfectly for him. Not taking away from his skill, because he clearly has some, but look at the suites he engaged below to see what I mean.

He did not engage a single suite above STD, for real, not one ADV suite the entire Game. In fact, the only suites he encountered above 500 EHP were the heavies. The kills below show suite type and EHP where I could see them. ':||' is a repeat symbol and the number following it indicates where that suite was first killed. For instance, kill number 5 was the same suite as kill number 2. The 'x' indicates they were engaging him (most he killed before they new what hit them).

It should be noted that had he not used the ScR overheat bypass at kill 47 his streak most likely would've ended there. Which 46 would've still been impressive.

The reality of this video is not the OPness of the GalLogi, it should be maybe be a matchmaking WTF, and definitely a view into would it would look like if you dropped a 20mil+ SP Merc into an academy battle. These guys were just lining up for him. Out of his 49 (50, I think he got robbed of one on the end game screen) kills only 10 actually shot back.

The bigger question I have is why the hell are that many starter fits running around in a FW battle?


1 med A-1 <400 EHP
2 STD <400 EHP
3 STD Logi <400 EHP x
4 Cal A-1 340 EHP
5 :|| 2
6 :|| 3
7 Logi A-1 440 EHP air shot
8 STD 485 EHP
9 M-1 <400 EHP
10 Frontline < 300 EHP
11 :|| 10
12 militia cal 336 EHP
13 Frontline 340 EHP
14 STD Logi 440 EHP x
15 STD scout <400 EHP
16 :|| 14? (Blured)
17 UKN 495 EHP
18 militia amr < 400 EHP
19 UKN Grenade
20 :|| 12
21 UKN Grenade
22 UKN Grenade
23 UKN Grenade
24 :|| 18 x SMG out of range
25 :|| 18
26 :|| 1 x but was half dead
27 :|| Medic <400 EHP
28 :|| 14
29 STD Sentinel engaged half dead. First kill above 500 EHP
30 :|| 18
31 :|| 12 x
32 :|| 29 and again, multi engaged and was half dead
33 :|| 18
34 UKN Grenade
35 :|| 2
36 :|| 12
37 :|| 18
38 :|| 18 (I think there are 2 different militia amr in this game) x (thru a grenade)
39 :|| 12
40 anti-armor >400 EHP
41:|| 27
42 :|| 12 x but was trying to shoot and grenade equipment.
43 :|| 18 x
44 STD Sentinel engaged with full shield but no armor. Almost killed him with HMG x
45 :|| 13
46 Heavy A-1 > 1000 EHP
47 UNK frame. Looked like :|| 18. Used overheat bypass glitch to kill so no HUD information. BTW, several people have stated that the rounds fired after an overheat bypass do no damage. 17:37 of this video says otherwise. X
48 STD sentinel. > 1000 EHP x
49 Frontline
50? :|| 18 x SMG guy again

Quick caveat: The guy you are responding to IS THE GUY IN THE VIDEO. I'd take his word on it, or at least on the Gallente Logi. I'm still not sold on the Minmatar Logi being OP, and the Amarr Logi could never be OP. All of Amarr is so UP it quite literally hurts them...

I would like you to watch this video and show me an assault that can achieve the same HP, damage, and versatility.

It's OP. Sorry.

That was a fine and entertaining video. Congratulations on the sheer number of kills. I think using a proto logi vs a tonne of standard and below suits should be like this especially when the person in the proto logi suit is also proto plate, proto scr, proto hive, proto grenade and most likely proto scanner as well. Please do correct me if I made a mistake in breaking down your fitting, and although I am not sure, it looked like you may have been using proto damage modifiers as well. So congratulations on a stellar defeat, and a strong showing.

Now if you can use some other weapon to do the same feat (one that doesn't overheat for more damage) I will be doubly impressed. You also have a strong gun game sir, why then were you running solo and not with a squad? I also didn't see you drop any orbitals, though if you had made a locked solo squad I am sure you could have done so as I have many times in the past.

Any player that would try this without a lot of XP would have been dead long before the end of the match. I would estimate your SP between 20 and 30 million and would definitely not hesitate to engage you on the field of battle should we meet, but when I do I will bring my proto hives, my Duvolle and my squad, as none of those guys seemed to do any of that.

Cheers, Logi is still not OP.

Well, thanks I guess.
I was running solo because it was relatively early for me and I didn't have many corpmates on at the time.

Now, see, my point was that nothing else could achieve the versatility and power that this suit had.

I was using an Imperial SCR with 1x complex damage modifier. I had over 700 armour and a decent shield buffer. I had a scanner. I had Allotek hives, Wiyrkomi hives, and a nanite injector.
There is nothing else except in the logi class that can achieve those results.

Incidentally, it's similar with a Duvolle.

I do hope I meet you on the field though. Militiaberries aren't much of a challenge, and I'd much rather have more satisfying combat.

Sorry no, just tested the fit with a Duvolle, it is certainly not op. It is either your SP combined with your playstyle or it is some mistake and Scotty has dropped you in with a bunch of noobs who have yet to learn how to point a gun.

That last verse sounded very amarr

Just like TacARs, the gear is getting nerfed instead of the users.

TacARs were nerfed because people abused them. So instead of policing the the offenders, they just made the gun harder to use.


With Logis, nobody is truly cheating, but people aren't using it as intended. Blame the Assault a**holes that equip Logi suits with 0 equipment, but proto'd out high and low slots.
Logis need to get together and start policing the abusers.


The best example of how Logi's are creeping up in this game is the leader board.
CUBS was a permanent Heavy back in the day. The Heavy was OP-ish. He was 1st.
milkman1 is a permanent Gallente Brick psudo-Logi w/ an AR. He will pass CUBS shortly.

Bricked out Logis with ARs are the name of the game, and always will be.

How do you define OP?
I define it as overshadowing the other options by a significant margin.

Could you provide an example of something that can compete with the Gallogi?

An orbital, a sniper, a shotgunner, a team of almost anyone attacking from behind and infront (pun intended :p ) etc.

An orbital, a sniper, a shotgunner, a team of almost anyone attacking from behind and infront (pun intended :p ) etc.

An orbital, a sniper, a shotgunner, a team of almost anyone attacking from behind and infront (pun intended :p ) etc.

Oh my dear God.

I thought Arkena was bullshitting me when he told me about this post.

You're going to continue asserting that the asset isn't OP and then list an ORBITAL as one of the ways to combat it? BEFORE listing such things as teamwork, which was at the END of your post?

I'd say more but I'm laughing so hard I keep hitting the wrong keys.

Pre nerf Tactical Assault Rifles are fine, you can drop and orbital strike on them

Pre nerf Tactical Assault Rifles are fine, you can drop and orbital strike on them