It is hard to say about the strafe, Mat. The controls are so clunky. I thought they flat out said they made everyone's strafe similar. I see heavy's doing the quick step. wut.

The other two points I agree without Q.

IMO they need to nerf the movement capabilities of the other suits (especially heavy and medium strafing) by a significant amount and leave the scout as it is now, to give it a niche.

10- We can't hide from scans despite being fully proto skilled out to do so.

Something is wrong with this statement.

12: Even if we were able to dodge scanners, we would be insta-popped by a quick, indirect glance......

12: Even if we were able to dodge scanners, we would be insta-popped by a quick, indirect glance......

I don't seem to have any problems in this suit:

gk.0

Comp extender

Proto AR
Toxin SMG
locus

Comp Ferroscale plate
Basic plate
Comp kin cat
Comp repairer
/s

4. same fall damage for a heavy as for a scout.

In atmosphere, there is a little thing called terminal velocity. The heavy and you aren't that different in size, so you have the same drag roughly and will fall at the same rate (I am assuming neither of you has any real buoyancy.) However, if you would like CCP to work you scouts just a little bit over, I am sure they would consider making it so that the heavies take less damage due to their extra size and padding. The justification being that being larger means more drag and the greater armor increases the heavy's chance of being air drop capable without dampeners at least once.

Otherwise, a lot of good points. I think the issue is really the tin foil ehp of light suits, but there are other issues which don't help either.

4. same fall damage for a heavy as for a scout.

In atmosphere, there is a little thing called terminal velocity. The heavy and you aren't that different in size, so you have the same drag roughly and will fall at the same rate (I am assuming neither of you has any real buoyancy.) However, if you would like CCP to work you scouts just a little bit over, I am sure they would consider making it so that the heavies take less damage due to their extra size and padding. The justification being that being larger means more drag and the greater armor increases the heavy's chance of being air drop capable without dampeners at least once.

Otherwise, a lot of good points. I think the issue is really the tin foil ehp of light suits, but there are other issues which don't help either.

While I am not a dropsuit mechanic, armor is not designed to handle fall damage but energy from ballistics. If you jump off a 10 m cliff by yourself and then do it again while wearing a 50 lb backpack, guess which one hurts more?

EHP is also the most boring buff you could make, might as well play a medium if that is what we are getting.

What is this 'scout' everyone speaks of, I can't seem to find any on the battlefield, now excuse me as I go kill things in ky light assault suit with +600 ehp.

I think you are just not doing it right, brah.

Here is how you should do it. Get militia scout and put militia SG on it. Start a random pub, go 3/4 then go back to the forums and tell us all how scout is really 'aight' and that you just gotta play it tactically and flank more instead of rushing in like an assault. And that, btw, scout is not supposed to be a combat role, it's supposed to be a role that walks around the red line and hacks supply depots and turrets that tankers have overlooked and not blown up. You just gotta learn your role better, really...

Well.. there is the whole matter of mass.

But but but..?

It is hard to say about the strafe, Mat. The controls are so clunky. I thought they flat out said they made everyone's strafe similar. I see heavy's doing the quick step. wut.

The other two points I agree without Q.

I like how "atmosphere" means "gravity".

but wutever.

While I am not a dropsuit mechanic, armor is not designed to handle fall damage but energy from ballistics. If you jump off a 10 m cliff by yourself and then do it again while wearing a 50 lb backpack, guess which one hurts more?

EHP is also the most boring buff you could make, might as well play a medium if that is what we are getting.

I am assuming that we are fighting on planets with a atmosphere since the gravity seems roughly similiar to Earth and there is plant life indicating that there is something blocking radiation, i.e. a magnetosphere. Finally terminal verlocity only occurs in atmosphere. If there was no atmosphere, say you were dropped onto the moon, you would keep accelerating at whatever the local rate of acceleration due to gravity. As opposed to .

Also weight does not affect acceleration in free fall. I could link you an explanation. I don't want to derail the thread more, and the explanation is complicated.



Well, either ttk or ehp needs to be adjusted, otherwise most scouts will continue to be just an unusually fast moving practice target for us medium suit users. It may not be interesting or glorious, but it is the issue with scouts. I don't run light suits/scouts, but I decide to try some of the black eagles out to see what running a scout suit is like. When I tried running some black eagle suits in a few matches, I died even when I successfully surprised people in cqc, while running a enhanced shield extender. And from the perspective of a caldari assault suit user, the only light suits I have to worry about is occasional nova knife or shotgun scout, and only if they come from behind. I honestly don't see how adjusting fall damage for different suit types will help the scout. The terminal velocity thing is just me being facetious.

Also, apparently our suits are equipped for airdrop as we have an electromagnetic parachute thing (aka "inertial dampener") and our shield and armor protects us from falls, implying some sort of padding. If the armor didn't, the force from the fall would just probably pulp our bodies at a certain point without going through the armor and shield of our suits. As for jumping off a cliff, if you weigh 50 lb more but were two or three times the size, it might affect you a lot less than you would think.

What is this 'scout' everyone speaks of, I can't seem to find any on the battlefield, now excuse me as I go kill things in ky light assault suit with +1200 ehp.

I am assuming that we are fighting on planets with a atmosphere since the gravity seems roughly similiar to Earth and there is plant life indicating that there is something blocking radiation, i.e. a magnetosphere. Finally terminal verlocity only occurs in atmosphere. If there was no atmosphere, say you were dropped onto the moon, you would keep accelerating at whatever the local rate of acceleration due to gravity. As opposed to .

Also weight does not affect acceleration in free fall. I could link you an explanation. I don't want to derail the thread more, and the explanation is complicated.

13- Scout players have to suffer the lame ass "look at us/die/tissue paper" analogy repeatedly on these forums.

14- Scout players have to suffer the lame ass "get gud" and "HTFU" and "ADAPT OR jerk off" taunts by logi auto aim duvolle "aweomesaucewarriors"

I think you are just not doing it right, brah.

Here is how you should do it. Get militia scout and put militia SG on it. Start a random pub, go 3/4 then go back to the forums and tell us all how scout is really 'aight' and that you just gotta play it tactically and flank more instead of rushing in like an assault. And that, btw, scout is not supposed to be a combat role, it's supposed to be a role that walks around the red line and hacks supply depots and turrets that tankers have overlooked and not blown up. You just gotta learn your role better, really...

I think you are just not doing it right, brah.

Here is how you should do it. Get militia scout and put militia SG on it. Start a random pub, go 3/4 then go back to the forums and tell us all how scout is really 'aight' and that you just gotta play it tactically and flank more instead of rushing in like an assault. And that, btw, scout is not supposed to be a combat role, it's supposed to be a role that walks around the red line and hacks supply depots and turrets that tankers have overlooked and not blown up. You just gotta learn your role better, really...

I think you are just not doing it right, brah.

Here is how you should do it. Get militia scout and put militia SG on it. Start a random pub, go 3/4 then go back to the forums and tell us all how scout is really 'aight' and that you just gotta play it tactically and flank more instead of rushing in like an assault. And that, btw, scout is not supposed to be a combat role, it's supposed to be a role that walks around the red line and hacks supply depots and turrets that tankers have overlooked and not blown up. You just gotta learn your role better, really...

I apologize. I am not really into debating and explaining physics. Gravity is gravity. <- notice the period. The only thing atmosphere introduces is drag. This is, also, when we are talking falls over a large distance.

To be plain, and also bring this conversation back to New Eden, I am talking about jumping 3M and losing a third of my shield. It's not an uncontrolled fall. It is a specific and intentional mechanical action. I shouldn't take damage at all from it.

As an aside, I did a quick search and think this might be enlightening.