I run with only an SMG and I do okay. The M209 and Ishukune Assault are beastly. Beastly and cheap. Cheap to buy and fit. This is a magnificent combo by the way.

Do I get mega-kills? No. Am I trying? No.

Sidearms are really good at protecting yourself...the SMG and Pistol anyway; don't use flaylocks so I can't speak for 'em. They can also be used, in my experience, to help drop enemies that your teammates (that you should be by) are engaging with. The few times i've actually went out with the intent to just kill stuff they work really well so long as your in their range.

They aren't Scrambler Rifles or Duvolles, but they don't shoot cotton candy either.

So long as your not an idiot and go charging off by yourself and try to take on the world head-on, your fine. Amarr Assaults are supposed to be the exception, I think, but I still expect them to have some kind of logi-equipment for use on their teammates.


I snuck my way into a squad of SVER dudes two days ago and played one match (like I do with every game since those WPs will be wasted if i'm not in a squad + frago bonus points) and we won. Before the next game, I was noticed. I wrote my "I've been found out!" and was going to call it a good game and vamoose, but someone voiced up and was alright with me being there because I was repping folks. Stayed for a while and it was actually the first time i've capped out in this game since...way back in closed beta. Feels good to do well enough with helping out your team to actually be of use.



Sometimes i'll go 20-3, sometimes i'll go 4-0, and most times i'll go barely above a 1.0 KDR, but i'm never near the bottom of the scoreboard. That's what i'm addicted to and what I base my performance off of. If I wasn't within the first three spots at least then I wasn't doing my job properly. Except those games where my team is just too good and nobody really needs healing and we're redlining them so nobody ever needs an up-link and everyone brings their own nanohives.

I'm finally back into Dust now that i'm past the "THIS STEEP GRIND" mindset and can focus on getting the sweet, sweet upgrades in my skills so I can get better logi-tools from the market. And i've been enlightened and found my code. That really helps.

what did I just read...

you are literally the worst arguer ever, of all time.

"I have 5.8 times your kdr and with the planned fix I would still have 3 times your kdr, so please don't nerf me"

you're a logi your job is to support the team giving out repairs, ammo, and uplinks. notice "kill the enemy" wasn't on that list. yes you dieing is counter productive. but going negative hurts the team? no, not if you're a kitten-ing good logi.

again I question your choice of argument. you say a logi should have a 3.0 kdr in a good squad and in the op you say switching to a side arm only fit reduced you to a 3-4 kdr, so what is the problem?

the amar logi is a battle logi if any logi should get kills its that one. yes my lifetime kdr is low but if you were capable of reading you would see that i said average battle kdr...meaning individual match not lifetime kdr...ive done everything from tanking to av in dust..my kdr does not reflect anything.

however match for match my average kdr in my logi is 4 and btw that is alone.

i do not use my proto suits (although not gunna lie i would cept ccp set my assets and isk to 0 about 4 months ago and im still recovering )

tell me something where in the word LOGISTICS DO YOU SEE HEALER?

there is a significant different between providing logistical support and being a medic

now if ccp want to introduce a clas called medic that has only cqc defenses and can pretty much do nothing but repp im all for it..i wouldnt specc it...because again no team queing worthless blue dots


lowering the individual defenses of any suit in dust so they cannot FIGHT without support is not ok...unless ccp plans on giving this so called tactical game(and i use that word very very lightly) team que sure make logi's do nothing but logi..but in my exp running behind 15 members of negative feedback....they dont really get damaged enough to warrant 24/7 logi attention...not scrubs who cant geta kill sure you can spend all day repping them..but meanwhile because they suck youll get flooded and end up having to deal with the enemy team yourself

3.0 because im team firing...normally that means i contribute dmg...but generally dont get the kill..(unless its an open map and im on my laser logi i get complaints that that suit is a kill stealer)

but the ability to teamfire is necessary i cannot count how many times the only reason my teamates got revived safely is because the 8 assault md rounds keeping the enemy from firing them while i support


you cannot team fire with side arms...not unless the are close..and if they are close then you squads been pretty ******..logi's are supposed to be behind they're squad providing tactical support AND TEAMFIRING i promote tactical ars and lr on logi's as well as md's for they're tactical use in dire logi based situations..

and im not good at arguing because i dont do it allot ..now ima go to bed my hubby is getting upset im still talking about dust lol

good night!

oh and if it makes you feel any better, I don't support sidearm only logi's either, they need some sort of nerf, but that isn't it.

the amar logi is a battle logi if any logi should get kills its that one

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tell me something where in the word LOGISTICS DO YOU SEE HEALER?

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to all logi's who are for using only side arms fine run only side arm see how well you fair i promise you your kill count will go down and your death count will go up.


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if you go negative you are not being a good logi..what is the point in saving lives if for every life you save you die and cost your team a clone? hmmm tell me


my bet most logi's who try and use sidearms only will start pulling negative kdr's

to all logi's who are for using only side arms fine run only side arm see how well you fair i promise you your kill count will go down and your death count will go up.




my average adv logi game look like this

20-40 kills (yes 20-30 kills im a amarian logi which is a battle logi..considering that good slayers generally pull 30-60 kills this seems even to me)

3-8 k wp

same pay as everyone else 200k-maybe 900 if something truly extraordinary occurs.

this is how a good logi looks once they nerf wp the wp will probably be lower

if you really think running logi with side arm only is valid i challenge you to do such and record a real veteran logi match with you just using sidearms...go ahead be a logi use only sidearms and try and keep a nice solid kdr per match 3.0-4.0 (my average kdr on assault is 8.0) i think is a solid logi kdr per match.

if you go negative you are not being a good logi..what is the point in saving lives if for every life you save you die and cost your team a clone? hmmm tell me


my bet most logi's who try and use sidearms only will start pulling negative kdr's

I know at least 1 person who used to solely run SMG on their logi and maintain a +5 kdr - 1.6 kinda killed that though

what did I just read...

you are literally the worst arguer ever, of all time.

"I have 5.8 times your kdr and with the planned fix I would still have 3 times your kdr, so please don't nerf me"

you're a logi your job is to support the team giving out repairs, ammo, and uplinks. notice "kill the enemy" wasn't on that list. yes you dieing is counter productive. but going negative hurts the team? no, not if you're a kitten-ing good logi.

to all logi's who are for using only side arms fine run only side arm see how well you fair i promise you your kill count will go down and your death count will go up.




my average adv logi game look like this

20-40 kills (yes 20-30 kills im a amarian logi which is a battle logi..considering that good slayers generally pull 30-60 kills this seems even to me)

3-8 k wp

same pay as everyone else 200k-maybe 900 if something truly extraordinary occurs.

this is how a good logi looks once they nerf wp the wp will probably be lower

if you really think running logi with side arm only is valid i challenge you to do such and record a real veteran logi match with you just using sidearms...go ahead be a logi use only sidearms and try and keep a nice solid kdr per match 3.0-4.0 (my average kdr on assault is 8.0) i think is a solid logi kdr per match.

if you go negative you are not being a good logi..what is the point in saving lives if for every life you save you die and cost your team a clone? hmmm tell me


my bet most logi's who try and use sidearms only will start pulling negative kdr's

LOL

where in the word logistics do you see killer?

come off it mate - what's the difference in role between what you want your logi to be, and an assault guy?

well my new fun fit is a logi suit.. with only an ishukone sub, some links and a bunch of random mods to fill out the grid.

i do tye same as my primary suit. Ishukone sub FTW
THEN again maybe the level of suck amongst minmatar makes this weapon appear lethal in my hands :P

I can't record but i took pics. Not a score to complain about and i am only lvl 3 Amarr Logi and lvl 2 scram pistol prof.

http://i.imgur.com/FVWhZia.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0ovbdwg.jpg

Not saying it is a reason to go sidearm only but i just wanted to do the challenge.

I'm not sure the OP is aware that many people who run logi suits, and arguably most of the people who should be running logi suits, don't consider KDR their primary measure of success.