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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.11.28 00:23:00 -
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to all logi's who are for using only side arms fine run only side arm see how well you fair i promise you your kill count will go down and your death count will go up.
my average adv logi game look like this
20-40 kills (yes 20-30 kills im a amarian logi which is a battle logi..considering that good slayers generally pull 30-60 kills this seems even to me)
3-8 k wp
same pay as everyone else 200k-maybe 900 if something truly extraordinary occurs.
this is how a good logi looks once they nerf wp the wp will probably be lower
if you really think running logi with side arm only is valid i challenge you to do such and record a real veteran logi match with you just using sidearms...go ahead be a logi use only sidearms and try and keep a nice solid kdr per match 3.0-4.0 (my average kdr on assault is 8.0) i think is a solid logi kdr per match.
if you go negative you are not being a good logi..what is the point in saving lives if for every life you save you die and cost your team a clone? hmmm tell me
my bet most logi's who try and use sidearms only will start pulling negative kdr's |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 04:06:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I run with only an SMG and I do okay. The M209 and Ishukune Assault are beastly. Beastly and cheap. Cheap to buy and fit. This is a magnificent combo by the way.
Do I get mega-kills? No. Am I trying? No.
Sidearms are really good at protecting yourself...the SMG and Pistol anyway; don't use flaylocks so I can't speak for 'em. They can also be used, in my experience, to help drop enemies that your teammates (that you should be by) are engaging with. The few times i've actually went out with the intent to just kill stuff they work really well so long as your in their range.
They aren't Scrambler Rifles or Duvolles, but they don't shoot cotton candy either.
So long as your not an idiot and go charging off by yourself and try to take on the world head-on, your fine. Amarr Assaults are supposed to be the exception, I think, but I still expect them to have some kind of logi-equipment for use on their teammates.
I snuck my way into a squad of SVER dudes two days ago and played one match (like I do with every game since those WPs will be wasted if i'm not in a squad + frago bonus points) and we won. Before the next game, I was noticed. I wrote my "I've been found out!" and was going to call it a good game and vamoose, but someone voiced up and was alright with me being there because I was repping folks. Stayed for a while and it was actually the first time i've capped out in this game since...way back in closed beta. Feels good to do well enough with helping out your team to actually be of use.
Sometimes i'll go 20-3, sometimes i'll go 4-0, and most times i'll go barely above a 1.0 KDR, but i'm never near the bottom of the scoreboard. That's what i'm addicted to and what I base my performance off of. If I wasn't within the first three spots at least then I wasn't doing my job properly. Except those games where my team is just too good and nobody really needs healing and we're redlining them so nobody ever needs an up-link and everyone brings their own nanohives.
I'm finally back into Dust now that i'm past the "THIS STEEP GRIND" mindset and can focus on getting the sweet, sweet upgrades in my skills so I can get better logi-tools from the market. And i've been enlightened and found my code. That really helps.
i do not care for being on top of the scoreboard for wp alone...if all i cared about was wp i would be running my av ..logi's should pull 3 kdr or higher ina good squad..logi's are SUPPOSED to team fire..sidearms limit logi's to doing 0 nothing unless there is a threat directly within your vicinity..now here is the issue with this
1 there is no team que..so you can never guarantee the people you are playing with have gun game...some match i get in and i will watch 6 blue dots all shooting at one guy..and failing miserably...should i repp them? NO becasue they cannot kill 1 guy with 6 guys..so they are not worth my reps..my time is better spent using my gun game to kill the 1 guy..and then focus on the shoddy scrubs....
nerfing logi's to sidearms mean logi HAVE no option but to rely on their teammates to deal with EVERYTHING that is not cqc...this is bad..because over half the blue dots in dust cant hit a giant red barn from 4 ft away..with a sniper rifle and AIM ASSIST lol
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Posted - 2013.11.28 04:14:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:what did I just read...
you are literally the worst arguer ever, of all time.
"I have 5.8 times your kdr and with the planned fix I would still have 3 times your kdr, so please don't nerf me"
you're a logi your job is to support the team giving out repairs, ammo, and uplinks. notice "kill the enemy" wasn't on that list. yes you dieing is counter productive. but going negative hurts the team? no, not if you're a kitten-ing good logi.
the amar logi is a battle logi if any logi should get kills its that one. yes my lifetime kdr is low but if you were capable of reading you would see that i said average battle kdr...meaning individual match not lifetime kdr...ive done everything from tanking to av in dust..my kdr does not reflect anything.
however match for match my average kdr in my logi is 4 and btw that is alone.
i do not use my proto suits (although not gunna lie i would cept ccp set my assets and isk to 0 about 4 months ago and im still recovering )
tell me something where in the word LOGISTICS DO YOU SEE HEALER?
there is a significant different between providing logistical support and being a medic
now if ccp want to introduce a clas called medic that has only cqc defenses and can pretty much do nothing but repp im all for it..i wouldnt specc it...because again no team queing worthless blue dots
lowering the individual defenses of any suit in dust so they cannot FIGHT without support is not ok...unless ccp plans on giving this so called tactical game(and i use that word very very lightly) team que sure make logi's do nothing but logi..but in my exp running behind 15 members of negative feedback....they dont really get damaged enough to warrant 24/7 logi attention...not scrubs who cant geta kill sure you can spend all day repping them..but meanwhile because they suck youll get flooded and end up having to deal with the enemy team yourself |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 04:18:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:again I question your choice of argument. you say a logi should have a 3.0 kdr in a good squad and in the op you say switching to a side arm only fit reduced you to a 3-4 kdr, so what is the problem?
3.0 because im team firing...normally that means i contribute dmg...but generally dont get the kill..(unless its an open map and im on my laser logi i get complaints that that suit is a kill stealer)
but the ability to teamfire is necessary i cannot count how many times the only reason my teamates got revived safely is because the 8 assault md rounds keeping the enemy from firing them while i support
you cannot team fire with side arms...not unless the are close..and if they are close then you squads been pretty ******..logi's are supposed to be behind they're squad providing tactical support AND TEAMFIRING i promote tactical ars and lr on logi's as well as md's for they're tactical use in dire logi based situations..
and im not good at arguing because i dont do it allot ..now ima go to bed my hubby is getting upset im still talking about dust lol |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 12:09:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:knight of 6 wrote:again I question your choice of argument. you say a logi should have a 3.0 kdr in a good squad and in the op you say switching to a side arm only fit reduced you to a 3-4 kdr, so what is the problem? 3.0 because im team firing...normally that means i contribute dmg...but generally dont get the kill..(unless its an open map and im on my laser logi i get complaints that that suit is a kill stealer) but the ability to teamfire is necessary i cannot count how many times the only reason my teamates got revived safely is because the 8 assault md rounds keeping the enemy from firing them while i support you cannot team fire with side arms...not unless the are close..and if they are close then you squads been pretty ******..logi's are supposed to be behind they're squad providing tactical support AND TEAMFIRING i promote tactical ars and lr on logi's as well as md's for they're tactical use in dire logi based situations.. and im not good at arguing because i dont do it allot ..now ima go to bed my hubby is getting upset im still talking about dust lol good night! oh and if it makes you feel any better, I don't support sidearm only logi's either, they need some sort of nerf, but that isn't it.
of course it isnt side arm logi is insane even ccp logibro flinches at the idea lol..and i agree they need a nerf..but they need a nerf to their wp rewards...
possibly even more logi oriented racial bonuses as well |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 13:43:00 -
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m621 zma wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:to all logi's who are for using only side arms fine run only side arm see how well you fair i promise you your kill count will go down and your death count will go up.
my average adv logi game look like this
20-40 kills (yes 20-30 kills im a amarian logi which is a battle logi..considering that good slayers generally pull 30-60 kills this seems even to me)
3-8 k wp
same pay as everyone else 200k-maybe 900 if something truly extraordinary occurs.
this is how a good logi looks once they nerf wp the wp will probably be lower
if you really think running logi with side arm only is valid i challenge you to do such and record a real veteran logi match with you just using sidearms...go ahead be a logi use only sidearms and try and keep a nice solid kdr per match 3.0-4.0 (my average kdr on assault is 8.0) i think is a solid logi kdr per match.
if you go negative you are not being a good logi..what is the point in saving lives if for every life you save you die and cost your team a clone? hmmm tell me
my bet most logi's who try and use sidearms only will start pulling negative kdr's I know at least 1 person who used to solely run SMG on their logi and maintain a +5 kdr - 1.6 kinda killed that though
yes i could with SMG 2 smg's are currently a bit overpowered...once they are balanced it wont be viable
but i will cede that its currently possible with smgs because i do it with breach assault combo and so dos kujo |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 20:55:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:knight of 6 wrote:what did I just read...
you are literally the worst arguer ever, of all time.
"I have 5.8 times your kdr and with the planned fix I would still have 3 times your kdr, so please don't nerf me"
you're a logi your job is to support the team giving out repairs, ammo, and uplinks. notice "kill the enemy" wasn't on that list. yes you dieing is counter productive. but going negative hurts the team? no, not if you're a kitten-ing good logi. the amar logi is a battle logi if any logi should get kills its that one [...] tell me something where in the word LOGISTICS DO YOU SEE HEALER? [...] LOL where in the word logistics do you see killer? come off it mate - what's the difference in role between what you want your logi to be, and an assault guy?
my logi is called the hunter logi..i run incredibly low hp tier and high dmg tier i used medium - long ranges tactical weapons for example tac ar and laser rifle..
i carry scanners proto injector and ammo
my logi suit is supposed to be able aproach a downed friend and revive them with 80% hp flawlessly i use my scanners to asses risks and my tacs weapons gives me a slight range advantage in most cases.
my mandate is 1 save your life period
if i have to kill the people who downed you first i will
i am a guaranteed life saver...i am know for jumping on a friends corpse and killing multiple enemies and then revive them safe and sound resupply if they need it and continue to tell my whole squad where everything on the map is.
note my hunter logi is for open maps when i do not have logi support..when i have fellow logi support and on closer end maps i have different builds with completely different play styles generally my tank gets better because i drop scanners when i run with my friends as they run them most often. and i get more wp because i start using repper tool.
generally this is the logi suit i get my highest kill count matches with..it has 350 armor and 114 shield. its all dmg output gun game and tactical aproach |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 20:57:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:to all logi's who are for using only side arms fine run only side arm see how well you fair i promise you your kill count will go down and your death count will go up.
my average adv logi game look like this
20-40 kills (yes 20-30 kills im a amarian logi which is a battle logi..considering that good slayers generally pull 30-60 kills this seems even to me)
3-8 k wp
same pay as everyone else 200k-maybe 900 if something truly extraordinary occurs.
this is how a good logi looks once they nerf wp the wp will probably be lower
if you really think running logi with side arm only is valid i challenge you to do such and record a real veteran logi match with you just using sidearms...go ahead be a logi use only sidearms and try and keep a nice solid kdr per match 3.0-4.0 (my average kdr on assault is 8.0) i think is a solid logi kdr per match.
if you go negative you are not being a good logi..what is the point in saving lives if for every life you save you die and cost your team a clone? hmmm tell me
my bet most logi's who try and use sidearms only will start pulling negative kdr's well my new fun fit is a logi suit.. with only an ishukone sub, some links and a bunch of random mods to fill out the grid. i do tye same as my primary suit. Ishukone sub FTW THEN again maybe the level of suck amongst minmatar makes this weapon appear lethal in my hands :P
cubs u know damn well smg's are slightly op and will be nerfed dont feed the trolls lol on that note i can run around with just smg's 2 |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 22:06:00 -
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um yeah look who your facing..a bunch of newbs the whole point is that in real competitive warfare meaning a full team of vets vs a full team of vets..
you cannot do that in this situation
no one can with the only exception being proto max smg users and only because smg is slightly op..when aiming |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 22:13:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:I'm not sure the OP is aware that many people who run logi suits, and arguably most of the people who should be running logi suits, don't consider KDR their primary measure of success.
i consider kdr vs wp per match not lifetime kdr
if you have less kills and your running logi with me i expect you to have more wp and vice versa...there are many different aspect of logistics and so there has to be many different ways to measure it..
i expect my hunter logi to get an 4-8 kdr and 2-3k wp
but i expect my breach to get less kills more wp and more assists
for example my breach logi i expect a 1-4 kdr but almost always more than 3 k wp my breach logi is also the logi that hold my highest wp gain record ..my breach would also be the only side arm only logi i run
kdr for that match was 4 |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 22:24:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Why in the hell are people still whining about sidearm-only logis when CCP has never said that that is what they're doing? Sweet zombie Christmas, logis must be the biggest collective of cry babies in this game.
Screw it. CCP, let the logis continue to function as uber-assaults while carrying equipment. In return, let the assaults carry extra equipment as well--after all, someone should actually be acting in a support role, right?
hey dont feed the trolls this has nothing to do with nerfing logi..and has everything to do with merely proving a point |
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