how about instead of making hipfire more hilarious than it is already, CCP can find an alternate way to balance it (heat buildup to prevent spamming in CQC and longer cooldown time to punish spammers?)

Pretty sure the range increase in 1.7 is the fix you're looking for.

An increased optimal usually means a decrease in damage at close ranges.
I don't think enough people realize this.

Because , EVEN if the weapon is highly effetive At Killing a single enemy, it has LOTS of drawbacks other Light weapons DONT have and the Overheat Mechanic really cripples the weapon.

SURE , I can Kill 2-3 enemies with my ADV Scram, with Prof 4 and 2x Cx Dam mods.
IN PUB MATCHES. Where enemies have 300-600 HP.

But we are thinking in the Competitive aspect of the game here.

Proto Imperial + Proto Amarr Assault.
This combination will net you LOTS of kills in 1 vs 1 situation.
OMG! There are 2 ENEMIES!
YOU ARE F***.

(Example, Gal logi 900 HP DUVOLLE, and Cal Logi 1050 HP Duvolle)
So yeah, YOU MIGHT kill one of them (MAYBE the Cal Logi, if you land a Charged shot and the Following 10 shots without missing one, and if you attack before them,AND if you are an Amarr Proto,anything else will probably overheat) . But you wont Win vs BOTH OF THEM,unless they suck way too much b*lls...
Duvolle AR Will let you Kill the First enemy a Little Slower, but it gives you the chance to kill the other one without having to stop shooting nor the risk of overheating.

So overall, the heat buildup ALREADY denies you from effectivley dropping 2+ enemies (AT the same Meta level as you) if it gets nerfed it wont even be able to drop a single Proto suit before either overheating or you getting killed because of spacing your shots to avoid the previous...

Of course people QQ that the Imperial this and the Imperial that,but they are using Shield tanked suits , Scouts or ADV level Dropsuits... (PROTO WEAPON + Prof 4-5 + 1-3 Cx Damage Mods > ADV Dropsuit. Its kind of the IDEA here...)

ON ANOTHER NOTE/EDIT: Hipfire is not a Joke on a SCR / AR

All the hip fire in this game is hilariously arcade-y, but that's off topic.

So what you are saying is that if the heat build up is increased ON TOP of the range, you won't be able to dominate multiple people easily in CQC like the duvolle? Isn't that what you wanted? The scrambler rifle should reward people for taking well spaced, well placed shots at medium ranges, so it should be gimped in CQC.

The Hipfire might be whatever you think it is, but AA makes it quite dangerous.


''The scrambler rifle should reward people for taking well spaced, well placed shots at medium ranges,''
Thats the TAC. The SCR is to Eliminate in a second anyone foolish enough to eat a charged shot o the face.at Med -Long Ranges. FAST. EFFECTIVE.DEADLY. Just like its now but with MORE range.



I DONT want the SCR to be an equally powerful CQ weapon. Thats all.

I'm agreeing with you, but I just don't think a hipfire nerf is the best way to handle things. Also, the TAC is the Gallentean variant of the scrambler rifle, so they are based on the same fundamentals. The ability to charge the weapon is just an extra, fun mechanic included with the SCR.

(Proficiency 4, Amarr Assault 5)

I have been using the scrambler before new AA. I have been getting really comfortable with the charged shot.

I use the charged shot as an opener and sometimes the closer. The one thing I have been doing with it is charging it as I enter a CQ area. If I land that first charge I most likely win the encounter, because the small volley I deliver afterwards should polish most off. I will overheat very quickly there after making any additional fight difficult, but by keeping good cover and avoiding LOS I can cool down. I mainly run advanced.

IMO, lowering ROF would help spamming as well as making it overheat per shot, not per sec. Its damage profile included, it does

Shields 90.72 / Armor 60.48 (pro 5 = 102.06 / 71.82 ) hopes this helps

Denying what is obvious to other people wont do any good for OUR weapon Aisha.

Its better to have its CQ efficiency nerfed but keep the Damage with Longer ranges than ; keep abusing the weapon until the QQ gets so strong, they nerf it... FLAYLOCK style....

OF COURSE i would love to keep the SCR as it is. Its an Amazing weapon. But once ARs get nerfed and are not here anymore to counter us SCR users, what will...?

Im thinking about balance not my weapon.
And , Since i want its AMAZING damage and AMAZING range to stay, i can take a CQ nerf. Anyways, its not a CQ weapon so i dont see what the big problem is...

Uh, the Rail Rifle? Are you ret*rded or what? And the only changes the Scrambler need are a little more hipfire spread, a fix to the overheat crouch glitch, and a slightly reduced reload speed. Other than that, it's literally golden.

Dont think it should be that bad - its still a racial rifle so it should have use throughout its range. It isnt a specialty weapon like the LR.

Increase the hip fire spread and fix the overheat glitch. You can even make it heat up quicker (2-3 quick shots) to stop the spam or drop aim assist from the weapon. You can also drop dmg but increase the multiplier for charged shots.

Also the close range doesnt affect the pistol so that argument can go both ways.

I can agree to more hip fire spread

I don't understand. scram hipfire spread is atrocious.

No - the argument about laser technology

Not even reading original post.

Look at scrambler tactics. Most hide in squads. Ide put a duvolle against a scrambler any day. Scramblers are not op, their scope fascilitates long rangs tactics.

Lots of those guys using imperial acramblers are almost 70% of the time corner baiting.

Raise your level noob a** noobs

Yes but I would prefer to go about it a different way than making the gun useless (damage-wise) up close.

GÇóI had enough of these corp using SCRs with Gal and CAl suits.... I just could not drop them so i did Take out my ADV Scram rifle....
GÇó3 enemies incoming
GÇóDrop 1 With Charged shot + Head-shot . Pretty easy actually.
GÇó5-6 Follow up shots to drop the Shields on a Heavy that was slowly moving towards me
GÇóChange to Boundless Breach SMG (yeah i know , but i freakn like the weapon.... let me be)
GÇóKill the Heavy
GÇóSwitch back to SCR and notice a Caldari assault sneaking between some boxes.
GÇó Charge my Shot
GÇóThe CAL AS left his cover and started shooting
GÇóI connect the Charged shot, but i couldnt connect the followup shots (I was aiming the Cal As and the stupid Autoaim slightly moved my aim to the right because there was an enemy Scout running like 80 mts behind the Cal As)
GÇóThe Cal As ,hides behind the Boxes
GÇóMy SCR is almost overheated/ Change To Boundless
GÇóCal Assault with no shields only 280ish Armor
GÇóAppear behind him, shoot 3-4 times (BREACH SMG shots)
GÇóAlmost dead
GÇóHe Turns around
GÇóHe Insta Kills me with the SCR at 1mts range.

Being able to weapon switch and for someone to do a 180 degree and cream a scout suit is OP now ? If you had been in your regular assault suit, youd be fine, but you had to go and do it in a scout suit....