Checkmate you're now dead to me.

SCR is fine as is.

I use the TAR and kill enemies beyond my optimal all the time. The TAR optimal is 65m; much higher than the current ScrR and much lower than the 1.7 ScrR. My longest kill is usually around 75m in any given match. Because I have the range, I purposely choose areas where I have long sight lines in a couple of directions to set up shop. Obviously, combat in any sort of enclosed space forces everyone close together, you're right about that.

Also, as the ScrR does not have an ACOG scope, it should be much trickier to use at range, especially against anyone who has the brains to strafe. The new rifles' DPS seems to be around the same as the Assault Rifle, then impacted by spool time and burst delays. In a way, with the Rail Rifle, you've got an Assault Rifle variant (so to speak) with a huge range, too.

Really, I only have a problem with the ScrR when I round a corner, put several rounds into someone, and then they turn and hipfire their ScrR until I'm dead. It kills even faster than an AR in twitchy hands in CQC, which just makes no sense to me whatsoever. It should be a marksman's weapon, not a "lol I can spasm 8 bullets a second at your toe" weapon. I can click a mouse about 9 times a second with a solid effort, 8 times easy. That's up to 970 DPS a second on an Imperial set when a Duvolle with the same set is doing 640. That is a colossal difference.

That's the DPS difference (a little over 50%) between a Militia Assault Rifle with Proficiency 0 and a Balac's GAR-21 with Proficiency 5. You're matching the same set with an AR at less than 6 shots a second. From what I've read of people timing themselves, 6 seems pretty typical. However, many people can hit 8-10 without too much trouble and it's not like you need precise aim when the guy is 5m from you.

if this happens I better have a amarr smg that same day

That just it. It isn't the gun being OP or the player abusing some gimmick. Its luck, plain and simple. A more reliable way to ensure his survival would be to switch to his sidearm, and finish off his foe.

Honestly, I HATE the laser rifle, specifically because of the sweet spot. It .Ames no sense with real physics, it makes the gun useless outside of a small defined range, and it just... bugs me. Plus, it does constant damage as long as the trigger is held, unlike the scrambler which requires multiple trigger pulls.

Hip fire dispersion, I can understand. But that wonky-ass damage profile on my weapon... I will not cede this point.

I would like to point out that you were using a bloody Sidearm on the weakest suit in the game, but I am behind the idea of having it do less damage the closer you are... as long as the AR gets it's range shot down to blaster level like it's supposed to. Otherwise it'll just be the Laser Rifle all over again. Why use A to cover range 3 when B covers ranges 1, 2, and 3?

I've been using the SCR for a couple weeks now and I don't think it even compares to the ease of the AR. It requires a lot more skill. I'm not used to the charged shot yet though, I don't utilize it enough.

If they nerf the SCR at all they should change the name of Dust to AR 514.

It has some drawbacks, the AR has none.

I think the AR needs to be re-balanced before the scrambler. Once that happens then this should be visited. As or right now at least the scrambler overheats so taking out multiple attackers at once requires much more control than with a AR.

how about instead of making hipfire more hilarious than it is already, CCP can find an alternate way to balance it (heat buildup to prevent spamming in CQC and longer cooldown time to punish spammers?)

Pretty sure the range increase in 1.7 is the fix you're looking for.

An increased optimal usually means a decrease in damage at close ranges.
I don't think enough people realize this.

All the hip fire in this game is hilariously arcade-y, but that's off topic.

So what you are saying is that if the heat build up is increased ON TOP of the range, you won't be able to dominate multiple people easily in CQC like the duvolle? Isn't that what you wanted? The scrambler rifle should reward people for taking well spaced, well placed shots at medium ranges, so it should be gimped in CQC.

I'm agreeing with you, but I just don't think a hipfire nerf is the best way to handle things. Also, the TAC is the Gallentean variant of the scrambler rifle, so they are based on the same fundamentals. The ability to charge the weapon is just an extra, fun mechanic included with the SCR.

(Proficiency 4, Amarr Assault 5)

I have been using the scrambler before new AA. I have been getting really comfortable with the charged shot.

I use the charged shot as an opener and sometimes the closer. The one thing I have been doing with it is charging it as I enter a CQ area. If I land that first charge I most likely win the encounter, because the small volley I deliver afterwards should polish most off. I will overheat very quickly there after making any additional fight difficult, but by keeping good cover and avoiding LOS I can cool down. I mainly run advanced.

IMO, lowering ROF would help spamming as well as making it overheat per shot, not per sec. Its damage profile included, it does

Shields 90.72 / Armor 60.48 (pro 5 = 102.06 / 71.82 ) hopes this helps

Uh, the Rail Rifle? Are you ret*rded or what? And the only changes the Scrambler need are a little more hipfire spread, a fix to the overheat crouch glitch, and a slightly reduced reload speed. Other than that, it's literally golden.

Dont think it should be that bad - its still a racial rifle so it should have use throughout its range. It isnt a specialty weapon like the LR.

Increase the hip fire spread and fix the overheat glitch. You can even make it heat up quicker (2-3 quick shots) to stop the spam or drop aim assist from the weapon. You can also drop dmg but increase the multiplier for charged shots.

Also the close range doesnt affect the pistol so that argument can go both ways.

I don't understand. scram hipfire spread is atrocious.

No - the argument about laser technology

Not even reading original post.

Look at scrambler tactics. Most hide in squads. Ide put a duvolle against a scrambler any day. Scramblers are not op, their scope fascilitates long rangs tactics.

Lots of those guys using imperial acramblers are almost 70% of the time corner baiting.

Raise your level noob a** noobs

Yes but I would prefer to go about it a different way than making the gun useless (damage-wise) up close.

Being able to weapon switch and for someone to do a 180 degree and cream a scout suit is OP now ? If you had been in your regular assault suit, youd be fine, but you had to go and do it in a scout suit....

1. Increase the hip fire spread and fix the overheat glitch.
or
2. You can make it heat up quicker (2-3 quick shots) to stop the spam
or
3. drop aim assist from the weapon.
or
4. You can drop dmg each quick shot does but increase the multiplier for charged shots so the damage remains the same. This should promote using the weapon as a charge rifle more than spamming of powerful quick shots.

Hope you follow

everyone knows the breach versions are crap...for all you know he did a midturn charge shot on you, i know i use that allot...they wanna surprise me, well they will be surprised...

Before the new AA came into the game, there was no talk about SCR CQC QQ at all....most likely because almost noone of the DS3 users could use it, except a few good players...

1. Increase the hip fire spread and fix the overheat glitch.
or
2. You can make it heat up quicker (2-3 quick shots) to stop the spam
or
3. drop aim assist from the weapon.
or
4. You can drop the damage each quick shot does but increase the multiplier for charged shots so the damage remains the same. This should promote using the weapon as a charge rifle more than spamming of powerful quick shots as it is now.

Hope you follow

How about No changes to anything until we've seen the other rifles in action.

One thing to speculate over numbers. Another to see things in action.

Take away the charge shot and I will be happy. Its freakin reduckulis when a charge shot from an Imperial does almost the same as a proto sniper rifle. When I get zinged by one these shots it does not matter if its shields or Armor, I lose over 400+ EhP which to me is absolute BS. Now I use the AR and I agree the AR is a bit over toned, but at least it doesn't have a charged shot that cuts you down in three shots. Nerf the charge of the scrambler and reduce the heat build up.

That's a possibility. Problem is this will weaken the weapon that if you not fully skilled into it, it becomes a one shot weapon. Until the new weapons come out all we are is grasping at straws, So I am going to try and deal with the ScR until then