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Foxhound Elite Fox's Dropship Services 435	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:34:00 - [1] - Quote It's that simple. Then, vehicles can live again! The skies are clear, we need to take to the air again. Python pilot, troop-transport specialist and an all-round ballbag.
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 144	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:41:00 - [2] - Quote Assaults would just qq and get you nerfed anyway.
Foxhound Elite Fox's Dropship Services 435	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:43:00 - [3] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Assaults would just qq and get you nerfed anyway. If they're any good, they'd know how to avoid threats like vehicles and deal with em. AV nades, supply depots to switch to swarms / forges etc. it's all there. they have it easy, my friend. Python pilot, troop-transport specialist and an all-round ballbag.
Tectonic Fusion 602	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:44:00 - [4] - Quote People still use these? I haven't been killed by one since the nerf... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2368	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:45:00 - [5] - Quote Can we PLEASE wait until 1.7 before making comments. Really guys none but the devs know what it's gonna be like. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 551	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:50:00 - [6] - Quote No thanks. Nothing to see here folks just some QQ move along. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Sky Kage Immortal Guides 124	Posted - 2013.11.27 00:55:00 - [7] - Quote I'm pretty sure a 20 pound kinetic ball traveling at 7,000 m/s would obliterate any medium-small sized vehicle it hits. *Plasma Cannon Logistics Devision* I die alot AND have fun... Who knew?
Foxhound Elite Fox's Dropship Services 435	Posted - 2013.11.27 01:00:00 - [8] - Quote If you ground guys faced the same problems, the forums would be constantly down with the extremely high flow of QQ posts, flooding the site every second. Python pilot, troop-transport specialist and an all-round ballbag.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 640	Posted - 2013.11.27 01:00:00 - [9] - Quote Alot of you cry about forge guns. No surprise. Soon u will be crying about tanks. I have both get one nerfed I'll hop to the other. Skill everything, its the only answer to fotm/ Nerf cycle
Foxhound Elite Fox's Dropship Services 435	Posted - 2013.11.27 01:04:00 - [10] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Alot of you cry about forge guns. No surprise. Soon u will be crying about tanks. I have both get one nerfed I'll hop to the other. Skill everything, its the only answer to fotm/ Nerf cycle I'm skilled into officer forge, that Gatsuns just overkill. People will cry that they can't solo tanks, maybe dropships, and you know what buddy? it's the way it should be. It's supposed to be a team effort to take down a decent vehicle user, which is why they spent so much more SP than the standard assault player. Get in a squad and if a tank shows up or a decent pilot, talk to your teammates and take it out. Python pilot, troop-transport specialist and an all-round ballbag.

True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4361	Posted - 2013.11.27 01:06:00 - [11] - Quote Foxhound Elite wrote: It's that simple. One infantryman shouldn't be able to take out one medium-heavy vehicle. At minimum it should be two-three players working together to take out the mechanical threat. Maybe one very very persistant / good anti-vehicle player against a dullard pilot / driver... but if the direct damage gets reduced, it becomes a two to five man job, then, vehicles can live again! The skies have been empty for too long pilots, we need to take to the air again. We discussed this at length. They wont agree that HAV, dropships require team work to use based to 1-2 matches where tankers were able to solo a good match, and determine we don't need teamwork and should not be allowed to use it, but are OP for not having tom require team work.....and then find it positively okay when solo infantry players run solo and do exceptionally well. Did any one cry "NERF OP" when ReGnYum, the god that he is, solo's entire teams? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 640	Posted - 2013.11.27 01:07:00 - [12] - Quote Foxhound Elite wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Alot of you cry about forge guns. No surprise. Soon u will be crying about tanks. I have both get one nerfed I'll hop to the other. Skill everything, its the only answer to fotm/ Nerf cycle I'm skilled into officer forge, that Gatsuns just overkill. People will cry that they can't solo tanks, maybe dropships, and you know what buddy? it's the way it should be. It's supposed to be a team effort to take down a decent vehicle user, which is why they spent so much more SP than the standard assault player. Get in a squad and if a tank shows up or a decent pilot, talk to your teammates and take it out. I solo tanks all the time. All you have to do is wait till there reps are done. Figure that out and I'll fill you in on a few more secrets
Foxhound Elite Valor Coalition Proficiency V. 435	Posted - 2013.11.27 01:30:00 - [13] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Foxhound Elite wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Alot of you cry about forge guns. No surprise. Soon u will be crying about tanks. I have both get one nerfed I'll hop to the other. Skill everything, its the only answer to fotm/ Nerf cycle I'm skilled into officer forge, that Gatsuns just overkill. People will cry that they can't solo tanks, maybe dropships, and you know what buddy? it's the way it should be. It's supposed to be a team effort to take down a decent vehicle user, which is why they spent so much more SP than the standard assault player. Get in a squad and if a tank shows up or a decent pilot, talk to your teammates and take it out. I solo tanks all the time. All you have to do is wait till there reps are done. Figure that out and I'll fill you in on a few more secrets Any decent AV'er can solo a bloody tank, .. that's what i'm saying. It should not be that way Python pilot, troop-transport specialist and an all-round ballbag.
Interplanetary Insanitarium Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2013.11.27 01:48:00 - [14] - Quote Sure. I could agree to that. It's not unreasonable. And yes, I use the Forge Gun. I like the DAU, but that's pretty much as far as I am in that skill tree. My SP is spread out though (to Commando, a repper and some light weapons and vehicle core skills). It's not like I just made a guy and put all of the SP into Forge Guns. >Welcome to Bonertown U.S.A.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 340	Posted - 2013.11.27 10:51:00 - [15] - Quote I do think one person should be able to take a tank out if its modules aren't on, but not while the two hardener and repper on I use everything
4447 Resolution XIII 866	Posted - 2013.11.27 10:53:00 - [16] - Quote Foxhound Elite wrote: It's that simple. One infantryman shouldn't be able to take out one medium-heavy vehicle. At minimum it should be two-three players working together to take out the mechanical threat. Maybe one very very persistant / good anti-vehicle player against a dullard pilot / driver... but if the direct damage gets reduced, it becomes a two to five man job, then, vehicles can live again! The skies have been empty for too long pilots, we need to take to the air again. I know right, because tankers use team work every match. EDIT: You do know that this isn't WOT, right Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 143	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:02:00 - [17] - Quote 4447 wrote: Foxhound Elite wrote: It's that simple. One infantryman shouldn't be able to take out one medium-heavy vehicle. At minimum it should be two-three players working together to take out the mechanical threat. Maybe one very very persistant / good anti-vehicle player against a dullard pilot / driver... but if the direct damage gets reduced, it becomes a two to five man job, then, vehicles can live again! The skies have been empty for too long pilots, we need to take to the air again. I know right, because tankers use team work every match. EDIT: You do know that this isn't WOT, right i assault with my infantry and defend objectives my infantry runs solo alot AND does good, no teamwork required recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 22	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:06:00 - [18] - Quote i agree, but by following a different line of reasoning. Why should a 300 k rail turret powered by a tank do less damage than a 15 k infantry cannon? We'll see how 1.7 changes in the forge vs vehicles debate, but the way i think about, power output of weapons should be relative to the power input. I know its fictional, but if i were a weapons designer in New Eden, why would i put a rail turret on my tank instead of several much cheaper, way more powerful, much lighter, forge cannon? I'd stick at least five of em on it. maybe six. Imagine that.A giant 6 barrel rotating HMG type cannon shooting forge rounds at 750 RPM *I fly I shoot I rep I tank/ Heavy, Scout, Assault and Logi at range/ I'm the Jack of all trades/ Master of Some
4447 Resolution XIII 866	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:13:00 - [19] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: i agree, but by following a different line of reasoning. Why should a 300 k rail turret powered by a tank do less damage than a 15 k infantry cannon? We'll see how 1.7 changes in the forge vs vehicles debate, but the way i think about, power output of weapons should be relative to the power input. I know its fictional, but if i were a weapons designer in New Eden, why would i put a rail turret on my tank instead of several much cheaper, way more powerful, much lighter, forge cannon? I'd stick at least five of em on it. maybe six. Imagine that.A giant 6 barrel rotating HMG type cannon shooting forge rounds at 750 RPM The funny thing is that there's real AV that can take out a tank with one shotGÇª Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 856	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:17:00 - [20] - Quote The FG is actually one of the best weapons in the game, in the right hands. I'm going to make a judgement call and say that you've never really used the FG extensively, or you wouldn't be posting this. I'm more upset about AI Turrets that can track 100mph LAVs or shott rail charges endlessly than some guy with a FG who got a shot that was 75% luck off on me. If you reduce the FG damage by 300-500, the base MLT FG will still do 800-1000 damage plus an armor bonus. So a nerf wouldn't really do anything. Besides, they already nerfed the hit on it.

4447 Resolution XIII 866	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:19:00 - [21] - Quote Foxhound Elite wrote: It's that simple. One infantryman shouldn't be able to take out one medium-heavy vehicle. At minimum it should be two-three players working together to take out the mechanical threat. Maybe one very very persistant / good anti-vehicle player against a dullard pilot / driver... but if the direct damage gets reduced, it becomes a two to five man job, then, vehicles can live again! The skies have been empty for too long pilots, we need to take to the air again. 16VS16 on team red there is 2 tanks and 14 soldiers. on team blue there is 6 AV and 10 soldiers. Team red win because their tanks count as 6 soldiers, and team blue AV can't kill team red soldiers because their AV. The only way around it is make AV a secondarily weapon. Also level design isn't suited for infantry because tanks have to much access to the maps. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 970	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:22:00 - [22] - Quote "If the FG gets a damage reduction, then infantry should get a 90% resistance to all vehicle turrets because one vehicle shouldn't be able to take on nine people at once." Sounds ***** ******, doesn't it? The Forge Gun's damage will remain the same. That's the bottom line. It's working as intended up to the advanced tier. It's that one prototype Forge Gun that is overperforming and we all know which one that is. Zzz... SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC FUCKING EAGLE! CAN YOU SING?!
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1551	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:25:00 - [23] - Quote 8213 wrote: If you reduce the FG damage by 300-500, the base MLT FG will still do 800-1000 damage plus an armor bonus. So a nerf wouldn't really do anything. Besides, they already nerfed the hit on it. The "nerf" is needed to bring it in line with the vehicle updates. I wouldn't call it "nerf", but rebalance. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 858	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:32:00 - [24] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: 8213 wrote: If you reduce the FG damage by 300-500, the base MLT FG will still do 800-1000 damage plus an armor bonus. So a nerf wouldn't really do anything. Besides, they already nerfed the hit on it. The "nerf" is needed to bring it in line with the vehicle updates. I wouldn't call it "nerf", but rebalance. i thought about this once because of how much of a hurt an FG can put on a vehicle, but to make it do less damage to a vehicle but still 1000s to a person really throws the loop for mechanics.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 24	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:57:00 - [25] - Quote 4447 wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: i agree, but by following a different line of reasoning. Why should a 300 k rail turret powered by a tank do less damage than a 15 k infantry cannon? We'll see how 1.7 changes in the forge vs vehicles debate, but the way i think about, power output of weapons should be relative to the power input. I know its fictional, but if i were a weapons designer in New Eden, why would i put a rail turret on my tank instead of several much cheaper, way more powerful, much lighter, forge cannon? I'd stick at least five of em on it. maybe six. Imagine that.A giant 6 barrel rotating HMG type cannon shooting forge rounds at 750 RPM The funny thing is that there's real AV that can take out a tank with one shotGÇª Of course there is. Yet the cannon and other heavy weapons on a real life tank are proportionally much more powerful than what one solo infantry man can carry. Since we are comparing tank cannons to infantry cannons, I have yet to see the 125 mm cannon that's hand operated...well since Forges are twice as powerful, i mean the 250 mm round firing cannon designing for single soldiers to operate. Alone. Walking around, sometimes even sprinting. With a full clip of 250 mm shells. *I fly I shoot I rep I tank/ Heavy, Scout, Assault and Logi at range/ I'm the Jack of all trades/ Master of Some
rpastry Carbon 7 CRONOS. 78	Posted - 2013.11.27 12:35:00 - [26] - Quote IRL a Tank generally has a crew of 4 IRL Infantry AV weapons can take out a tank with one round. You've got it back to front, a tank shouldn't be able to solo infantry. You want a team effort to take out a tank? it should be a team effort to operate one. Fair balance would require the same numbers for the vehicle team and the anti-vehicle team.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 163	Posted - 2013.11.27 13:11:00 - [27] - Quote *No.* This has been talked to death about on the forums, at most AV teamwork should be1-2 per tank, due to the mechanics anything else would be game breaking. Now if you tell me you want to drastically drop all main turret DPS to make a tank support, as it should be, that would be ok. The real problem is dropships, there is a very limited window to knock them out before they reach their destination and start dropping roof uplinks, once that happens blueberries on your team don't stand a chance. It really requires one good miss from me for the DS to have enough time to touch down and operators/passengers to bail. You increase TTK on dropships (as swarms have already been nerfed in range) by dropping FG damage, you drastically alter the game to which team has the most DSs wins. I'll reiterate. *No.*
4447 Resolution XIII 867	Posted - 2013.11.27 13:27:00 - [28] - Quote rpastry wrote: IRL a Tank generally has a crew of 4 IRL Infantry AV weapons can take out a tank with one round. You've got it back to front, a tank shouldn't be able to solo infantry. You want a team effort to take out a tank? it should be a team effort to operate one. Fair balance would require the same numbers for the vehicle team and the anti-vehicle team. meaning one driver, one main turret operator. vs Two AV. Same but with a defence operator( chaff, emp, ETC) vs Three AV. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2124	Posted - 2013.11.27 13:34:00 - [29] - Quote Sky Kage wrote: I'm pretty sure a 20 pound kinetic ball traveling at 7,000 m/s would obliterate any medium-small sized vehicle it hits. I'm equally sure that this extremely high-powered weapon cannot be fired with pinpoint precision when hip-firing, when even an assault rifle which is a pea shooter in comparison has projectile dispersion. So add dispersion and a margin of error within the crosshairs, and speaking for the dropship pilots, I'm happy for the forge gun (yes even the douchey Ishukone assault) to keep its damage. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
DRASTYCK MEAXUREZ CoRp KiLLeRz 18	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:10:00 - [30] - Quote keep crying ... u need a diaper change~



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