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Miokai Zahou
Film Actors Guilds
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Posted - 2013.11.26 13:52:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Ok so Logibro has already said here on these forums that the logi suits are getting nerfed dont know how yet but he has said that they will be less combat effective. Now heres my question ccp since we as players speced the suit we liked and since you have had your ear poisoned with the lies of failures and intend to listen to these lies by nerfing something that you messed up will we get a full respec for our suit and all the, equipment and weapons that we speced, because this was deep planning, and painful grinding, that once we foumd the right combonation will now be erased and left useless by you. We want the option for respecs when you change large and fundamental attributes of our suits which our entire skill plan was developed around. And before I get the slayer logi blah, my logi carries proto rep hives, qx3s, and a45 scaner, all slots filled with a gek, 1000 hp and NO damage mods, so take that somewhere else. This is about the courtesy of giving us the option to make a diffrent decision based on your mistake, not ours.
Bwhahahaha HAHAHAHAHAHA....*reads again* hahahahaHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....!!!
... no. HTFU and grind some SP up I also suggest buying a few boosters to get you going as well but I think you want a full respec because your lazy? |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
954
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Posted - 2013.11.26 13:54:00 -
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Call me crazy but I was nothing but a logi but I started speccing into Assault a week ago because I figured at some point there would be some sort of rebalance.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
CPM1 Candidate
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Ripley Riley
Pheonix Corp Selectus
40
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:03:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Call me crazy but I was nothing but a logi but I started speccing into Assault a week ago because I figured at some point there would be some sort of rebalance.
OP needs to read this sentence very carefully... and probably multiple times considering how poor his reading comprehension is.
Nerfs will happen. They will happen to your favorite weapon, module, grenade, and dropsuit. Accept that right now. Have you accepted it yet? Yes? Okay.
You are now a more flexible, adaptive mercenary. You are more deadly than before because you know how adjust your tactics and playstyle around the current state of the game. For you nerfs are a minor inconvenience at best.
With your newfound acceptance of nerfs you will scoff at the notion of a respec. Respecs are for the weak. Respecs are for those who cannot adapt to change. Right? Right.
BPOs, in their current state, negatively effect the economy. I say that as a someone who bought the elite pack.
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calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1014
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:04:00 -
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If you ran a Logi as it was intended and not as an assault, you have nothing to fear. If you chased the FOTM and went slayer logi and have no skills in the support role, well you have only yourself to blame
Do not eat the yellow snow
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
855
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:09:00 -
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my adv logi run wyka injectprs bdr8 triage repper tool k-2 nanos..adv-standard weapons ,,114 shield 335 armor..if you are getting raped by me in my logi suits you suck at life |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
928
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:11:00 -
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Why are everyone asking for free cakes? This is a game! |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
762
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:20:00 -
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lmao
2 to 3k playing
no respecs is just 1 of the many reasons this game is a fail
lets see the numbers after xmas when we have our ps4's and decent new games lolccp |
Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
154
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:26:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Call me crazy but I was nothing but a logi but I started speccing into Assault a week ago because I figured at some point there would be some sort of rebalance. OP needs to read this sentence very carefully... and probably multiple times considering how poor his reading comprehension is. Nerfs will happen. They will happen to your favorite weapon, module, grenade, and dropsuit. Accept that right now. Have you accepted it yet? Yes? Okay. You are now a more flexible, adaptive mercenary. You are more deadly than before because you know how adjust your tactics and playstyle around the current state of the game. For you nerfs are a minor inconvenience at best. With your newfound acceptance of nerfs you will scoff at the notion of a respec. Respecs are for the weak. Respecs are for those who cannot adapt to change. Right? Right.
The tone of your post makes you seem like an absolute D1ck
Your a protostomping scrub who is speced into FoTM because you have the SP to ALWAYS spec into FoTM ... the only reason you are against respecs is because you don;t want new and intermediate players doing the same thing and giving you competition ...
Nerfs shouldn;t happen .. if CCP could actually make a balanced game then people would actually be able to make proper decisions on what they skill into think of it this way .....
I call up Pizza hut for a ham and pineapple pizza .. it gets delivered and I pay for it .. I sit down and open the box and it turns out that it's actually a celery and anchovies pizza, I call up Pizza hut to complain and say this isn;t what I paid for and they say .. HTFU you need to adapt ....
That is how dumb your argument sounds to me
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Thorn Badblood
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
68
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:39:00 -
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My Heavy has been nerfed, nerfed again, nerfed again, slighlty buffed. I still haven't asked for a respec.
D2D. A Non-Prophet Organization
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Fire9er Greko
Imperfect Bastards
100
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:57:00 -
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I promise to stop playing and delete all accounts. I may be playing a game that I like now. But like skyrim or other games when I get something that's nice I don't expect it to turn to crap.
You nerf logi's or anything else because other more let's say... Sensitive players can't make their weapons work the way they were intended then I don't care about you or what you think.
Scrambler rifle.. Has a distance ring to it.
Assault rifle... Has a aggressive ring to it.
SMG... Has a close quarters ring to it.
Shotgun... everyone should be good at it.
Logi suit... Multi purposed sounding.
Assault suit... Sounds aggressive yet unsustainable.
scout suit... Information gathering and Ninja kills unnoticed.
Heavy suit... Sounds beefy.
The logi suit would have been any strategic players pick. Why would strategic players be better than assault players?
Can we nerf Stupid please?
COMMON SENSE FTW |
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Fire9er Greko
Imperfect Bastards
101
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:58:00 -
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Thorn Badblood wrote:My Heavy has been nerfed, nerfed again, nerfed again, slighlty buffed. I still haven't asked for a respec.
Heavy's are op nerf them. DUVOLLE advanced heavy or SCRAMBLER ANYTHING is op. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7993
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:07:00 -
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8213 wrote:
Asking for respecs is simply code for people who want an easy do-over. It's selfish and not needed. You realize the respec for Uprising is what started the GAME KILLING Protostomping, correct?
That isn't even remotely true, as most people who were in proto stomping squads already had their proto. All it did was actually help alleviate said issue just the tiniest bit, by giving others the tools to fight back.
At absolute worst it sped it up by a week or two
Oh noes, the sky, the sky is falling!!!
Read / Vid / Stream
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
677
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:08:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:R F Gyro wrote:I'm a logi and I disagree with the OP. I see no need for a respec as long as logistics remains a viable play style.
I would, however, like to be able to contribute to a discussion on exactly what changes will be implemented. You see no need for a respec bc you dont know how bad the suit is being nerfed. Neither of us knows that, yet you are still calling for a respec.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
314
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:08:00 -
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CCP are too stingy when it comes to respecs. Everyone will cry "respec" when it's their suit but call it "balance" when it's not.
I still think that respecs should be given to a portion of the playerbase every update...then focus testing on this group.
People will still run to FOTM but it'll be much easier for CCP to see that and balance accordingly...right now it takes ages before that's seen in the data. So now, if you guess correctly, you just hit the jackpot and no matter how gimp the wep,suit, etc you got solid 3 months before they contemplate a solution.
Everybody wins with this. Eventually everyone would receive a respec and CCP could actually balance weapons and suits at a faster rate because of focused data. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
463
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:13:00 -
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PADDEHATPIGEN wrote: And all you Caldari, Gallante and Minmatar that trained LR and SCR you also remember to say no when the weapon that fits your race comes out ok ?
Have already mapped out how much I need to go to Combat Rifle Pro 3 with ammo, reload and sharpshooter (various levels) on Day 1. I'm about 700k out so should be right on schedule.
Then I'l have fits built around ScR and CR
If you dont come on this forum then I may have some sympathy, then again if you are in that crowd you will probably just say "a new weapon - cool, I will start skilling up in that"
For members of this forum - cue Denis Green clip while I get my violin. |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
856
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:15:00 -
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Fire9er Greko wrote:I promise to stop playing and delete all accounts. I may be playing a game that I like now. But like skyrim or other games when I get something that's nice I don't expect it to turn to crap.
You nerf logi's or anything else because other more let's say... Sensitive players can't make their weapons work the way they were intended then I don't care about you or what you think.
Scrambler rifle.. Has a distance ring to it.
Assault rifle... Has a aggressive ring to it.
SMG... Has a close quarters ring to it.
Shotgun... everyone should be good at it.
Logi suit... Multi purposed sounding.
Assault suit... Sounds aggressive yet unsustainable.
scout suit... Information gathering and Ninja kills unnoticed.
Heavy suit... Sounds beefy.
The logi suit would have been any strategic players pick. Why would strategic players be better than assault players?
Can we nerf Stupid please?
COMMON SENSE FTW
sadly no we cannot nerf stupidity we cannot stop blue dots from saying stupid things on these forums and we cannot stop ccp from stupidly take those stupid things as if they came from the mouth of an intelligent and skilled veteran gamer. so yeah expect dust to get worse because ccp cant tell the difference between crying scrubs who suck at dust and legit gamers.
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Ripley Riley
Pheonix Corp Selectus
40
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:30:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:The tone of your post makes you seem like an absolute D1ck
I wasn't being a **** though. Sorry if it came across as ****-ish, but that was not the tone of my post.
Karl Marx II wrote:Your a protostomping scrub who is speced into FoTM because you have the SP to ALWAYS spec into FoTM ... the only reason you are against respecs is because you don;t want new and intermediate players doing the same thing and giving you competition ...
This is the fit I run 9 out of 10 matches: STD caldari assault, assault rifle, SMG, grenade. ADV shield extenders in my highs. MIL cardiac regulator and STD armor reppe in my lows. I never run prototype gear.
So no, I am not a "protostomping scrub." My K/d usually fluctuates between 1.0 and 3.0. I do well for myself, but I am far from amazing at this game. I welcome new and better competition. Competition means challenge and a challenge keeps me interested.
Karl Marx II wrote:Nerfs shouldn't happen .. if CCP could actually make a balanced game then people would actually be able to make proper decisions on what they skill into think of it this way .....
You can't type =BALANCEGAME into the formula bar in MS excel, dump some data in the file, then presto balance happens. It takes hundreds of player hours, watching data trends, etc. Even with all those hours of testing a developer will add a new item (like a dropsuit) into a game that is too powerful for one reason or another. The solution isn't to buff every other item, it is to make the overpowered item sit at the same level as everything else. This is a nerf. If you really can't see how this has to happen sometimes then you are naive.
No paid respecs without massive SP penalties.
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Jungian
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
261
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:31:00 -
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The way CCP handles DUST, I am sure I will be able to buy a respec for money. And I would have no problems with that. |
DEZKA DIABLO
Commando Perkone Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:39:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:8213 wrote:Oh stfu up these respecs.
So, if CCP makes a change, you want a respec. If you made mistakes in skill-ing you trees, you want a respec. If realized your current SP plan sucks, you want a respec. If you get bored with your current fits, you want a respec....
S... T.... F.... U!
The thing about SP is, you can always get more. One thing gets nerfed, or modified and you want 1 couple million SP back because it's just so haaaaaaaaaard to adapt and incoprorate skill into your game now.
Asking for respecs is simply code for people who want an easy do-over. It's selfish and not needed. You realize the respec for Uprising is what started the GAME KILLING Protostomping, correct?
Sure, I'd love to have Proto Minmatar Assault Suits instead of Amarr and Caldari. I'd love Prototype Gallente Scouts instead of Minmatar. Yes, I've made some poor choices with my SP along the way, in hindsight and at the time, but I'm not going to ask for a respec. I CHOSE where my SP went, and I KNEW it could change, and I also knew that I had to plan for such things. CCP changing ONE piece of gear in this game does not warrant a respec. Get over it, and get over yourself. No douche troll I want a respec not because I messed up but because ccp has came in and said THEY messed up. I did nothing wrong, I picked a suit I liked and ccp said oh you like that shiny thing there here go ahead, just grind, and buy boosters and packs and you can have it, then after I bought it they said oh wait as good as that thing is other people are jealous so we are going to make it less shiny so all the other kids will feel better about their small *****, but if you grind another 2 million sp and buy more boosters and pay us more we will let you buy something else shiny. Whats sad is your dumb ass thinks its about the suit or the sp and you dont even get that its them manipulating these forums and people like you to create nerf its just so people will spend more money to get into another suit faster. I like to feel like ive built something with my character that is real solid and concrete and everytime I feel like I have done that they jerk the rug out to simply do one thing, manipulate the consumer into making purchases. AMEN TO THAT!
The only reason I bought the omega boosters was because the minmatar scout got turned into a wet paper bag! I skilled the min logistic an the gallente scout to three, turned on the boosters an grinded my ace off, heard about the logi nerf so I went gallente scout, lol can't really nerf scouts, I wanted the logi only to use as a suitcase anyway, but he's right it's wrong to change too much without compensation , like of they made scouts really slow I'm sure you would get the same reaction |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
280
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:57:00 -
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Acturus Galaxy wrote: You know you are getting old when you start to complain about all changes that may affect you and when you start saying that everything was much better when you are were young. Kids and their sh*tty music these days...it's a well-known scientific fact that music reached it's peak in the early '90s.
Life is killing me.
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Admonishment
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
25
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Posted - 2013.11.26 16:03:00 -
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8213 wrote:Oh stfu up these respecs.
So, if CCP makes a change, you want a respec. If you made mistakes in skill-ing you trees, you want a respec. If realized your current SP plan sucks, you want a respec. If you get bored with your current fits, you want a respec....
S... T.... F.... U!
The thing about SP is, you can always get more. One thing gets nerfed, or modified and you want a couple million SP back because it's just so haaaaaaaaaard to adapt and incorporate skill into your game now?
Asking for respecs is simply code for people who want an easy do-over. It's selfish and not needed. You realize the respec for Uprising is what started the GAME KILLING Protostomping, correct?
Sure, I'd love to have Proto Minmatar Assault Suits instead of Amarr and Caldari. I'd love Prototype Gallente Scouts instead of Minmatar. Yes, I've made some poor choices with my SP along the way, in hindsight and at the time, but I'm not going to ask for a respec. I CHOSE where my SP went, and I KNEW it could change, and I also knew that I had to plan for such things. CCP changing ONE piece of gear in this game does not warrant a respec. Get over it, and get over yourself.
lol protostomping was going on way before uprising...when I first started playing after closed beta ended I was already going againt teams in proto while I was wearing starter fits. Pretty sure if something drastic happened to AR's and Scrambler rifles the people using them would be raging for re specs.
For the Principality of Zeon!
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
13
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Posted - 2013.11.26 16:06:00 -
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Will people ever stop begging for a respec? This endless topic is so stupid it is annoying.
On this topic one of two things will happen, they nerf logi suits or they will buff something else. Which means something else will become the new FOTM replacing the logi dominance. Unless all suits are identical there will always be a suit used by most people. ALWAYS!
So when this new suit replaces logi dominance whiners will start to ***** about it and scream "its OP, nerf it. " Then the respec junkies will start screaming "give me my SP so I can make informed decision," which is total horseshit, and this the cycle of nerf/buff, scream scream its OP, whaaa I want a respec, will repeat over and over again. This will never end which is why respecs are a terrible idea and should NEVER be done.
About logi suits: Anyone, myself included, that has trained for logi in the past 3-6 months did so because we all knew how powerful they were. Read OP. we all made the decision to train logi knowing full well they outclassed assault suits in many ways and the numerous equipment slots, armor regen and ample fitting made the logi an obvious choice for a ground grunt. If any of you try to say you didn't know the logi was OP you are a liar. I crossed trained from assault because the logi is so much better. And I did it knowing one day the nerf bat would smash the logi class our the buff bat will raise another class up. If any other logi suit users didn't know this or didn't start to realize it as more and more players began to use logi suits than you are stupid. Also, you should stop playing this game because changes like this will happen forever. |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
763
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:54:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Will people ever stop begging for a respec? This endless topic is so stupid it is annoying.
On this topic one of two things will happen, they nerf logi suits or they will buff something else. Which means something else will become the new FOTM replacing the logi dominance. Unless all suits are identical there will always be a suit used by most people. ALWAYS!
So when this new suit replaces logi dominance whiners will start to ***** about it and scream "its OP, nerf it. " Then the respec junkies will start screaming "give me my SP so I can make informed decision," which is total horseshit, and this the cycle of nerf/buff, scream scream its OP, whaaa I want a respec, will repeat over and over again. This will never end which is why respecs are a terrible idea and should NEVER be done.
About logi suits: Anyone, myself included, that has trained for logi in the past 3-6 months did so because we all knew how powerful they were. Read OP. we all made the decision to train logi knowing full well they outclassed assault suits in many ways and the numerous equipment slots, armor regen and ample fitting made the logi an obvious choice for a ground grunt. If any of you try to say you didn't know the logi was OP you are a liar. I crossed trained from assault because the logi is so much better. And I did it knowing one day the nerf bat would smash the logi class our the buff bat will raise another class up. If any other logi suit users didn't know this or didn't start to realize it as more and more players began to use logi suits than you are stupid. Also, you should stop playing this game because changes like this will happen forever.
What idiots like you fail to realise is this is a game, a game no one is playing, and no respecs is one reason.
I have 31 million SP, I do not need or care about a respect, although it would make the game much less tedious.
It would primarily help new players ( what new players lol I know ) to correct mistakes once they know what they're doing.
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Adiran Zanzalin
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:12:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Everything has changed and will be changed at one point in time.
Welcome to New Eden.
The problem with the last generation or two is they feel to dam entitled. I will get this I will get that. We deserve this we deserve that. There is a reason in eve HTFU is used. Your entitled to the right to play the game. Wich you have and do. They arw entitled to change that game however they see fit.
Welcome to reality. The one game you can never win. |
Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
17
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:15:00 -
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This is a game that has a long way to go and lots of room to grow. I think CCP is using the PS3 as an extended beta so when it goes to PS4 and hopefully PC the bugs will be fixed. Then they can push massive marketing, then they can build their player based. So I am not concerned with low numbers in Dust right now. I am concerned about this entitled sentiment people have that once CCP changes something they should get a respec. That line of thinking will kill this game faster than anything. |
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