Is it possible to redo your test with Prof 5 + 3 dmg mods?
I think that would shed some serious light on the TTK problem.

+1 for the vid & thread

I wish the AR wasn't an automatic sniper while ADS. The AR (Plasma Rifle) should dominate every other weapon at short ranges (Not close quarters, that's different)

I was going to, but I wanted to prove that the TTK is already ridiculous with no skills into the weapon.

I could kill a suit with 1100 ehp in two clips from 80 meters because of how accurate the gun is. If that's not a way to show an obvious problem I don't know what is.

Also, by doing it with no skills, it makes it so that someone can do math (like me, eventually), and pump out some rough numbers. For instance, if I wanted to imagine it with 3 damage mods, I just add the extra damage percentage, etc to the number I already have.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to do anything here soon because my recording device broke and I have to return it or replace a part. But at least I got all of this footage before something happened.

The scrambler rifle is a single shot rifle, but doesn't it have a full auto assault variant?
Same with the rail and combat rifles.

Ahh I understand, it just would have been a nice vid to show people who say the AR isn't OP.
Especially when aimed at Heavies & Scouts.

Wow, dude. you are like one of the most amazing ppl around here. You've done more developing after a few hours of work on this video than most devs have done in a year. I tip my cap to you. +1, dear sir.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTEoWijPFvM

Another AR thread? Really?

YES. And this time there's nothing you can argue about. In this video I explain/prove:

-Why the AR seems "OP" to most people
-How the AR is able to kill players with lots of HP at long ranges simply by bursting to prevent kick
-How the only balancing factor for the AR at range only comes in AFTER you have fired off 30 rounds or so.
-How long it takes to kill a player at different ranges using both a STD and prototype AR.
-How automatic weapons in other games are balanced for distance (i.e. actual dispersion)

And much more!

Why is there no dispersion? Who knows? Maybe it has something to do with the HMG issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPBRYgUGBbw
Why not make the AR kick from the second you start firing...just like the Assault Scrambler Rifle?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrVDPmIhkx8&feature=youtube_gdata

Obviously there are ways of fixing this issue, and this issue SHOULD be apparent to anyone playing this game, but I needed to make this video to finally get this into people's heads so that we can all be on the same page as to why the AR needs to be changed.

If CCP does not see this as an issue, PLEASE TELL US WHY! Please explain to us how this mechanic is not breaking our game. Please tell us why you want the AR to be so effective at range like this. Is it a lore thing? Are you afraid of losing players if you change the one weapon most players use? Or are you guys just too oblivious to this situation that you needed me to spend hours making this video just to understand why we have been complaining about the AR for so long.
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I'm not going to go into full detail here about everything, but let me just make a few things clear.

Don't even start talking to me about TTK. If the gun wasn't so accurate at range it would have a longer TTK and put it in line with the rest of the other weapons.

I wish the AR wasn't an automatic sniper while ADS. The AR (Plasma Rifle) should dominate every other weapon at short ranges (Not close quarters, that's different). If you get into this range the AR should win very easily. At medium ranges it should be just as effective as it is when you hip-fire. ADS shouldn't mean taking away dispersion, it should just reduce the dispersion a bit while slowing your movement speed. If you crouch it should be even more accurate

However, dispersion should not be eliminated when you ADS. This is one of the universal balancing factors for automatic weapons in every FPS. Single shot and burst rifles should be better at long ranges not because of optimal ranges...but because they are just more accurate and usually have some sort of sight.

Let's not forget the other not so important factor of the reset when you let go of the trigger. If you're not familiar with this go watch the video I just posted. When you fire for a long period of time while ADS, the AR eventually starts kicking all over the place. If you let go of the fire button and press it again, the kick is gone and your sight is reset back to where you were aiming. There is hardly any kick for the first 15-20 rounds or so, which means you can hit a target with a full clip from 80+ meters simply by timing your trigger presses.
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I hope I'm not the only one that thinks this way about this. Am I missing something here? Is this game supposed to have ARs that snipe across the map and HMGs that only do good damage at 30 meters to make it not like other FPS games? Is this problem something that can't be fixed easily? Is this issue not something that matters enough to be worked on, or something that is too big that it could break the balance of the game?

I made this video and this post because I care about Dust. I want to see one day where every weapon feels just as balanced as the next, but in order to do that we need to fix the AR. Hopefully this helps everyone understand why.

[BUG] Turbo controller being able to avoid recoil from assault rifle - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?find=unread&g=posts&t=121423
Status: Will be fixed in 1.8.

Good Video :D but did you have any damage mods, proficiency level, assault rifle level? These things matter to. And if you did have them I think people would have liked to known you had these things. Great video nonetheless :D

Which ar? Come uprising 1.7 there will be 4, currently there are 2.

That's on a 1000 plus heavy, do I vid with a 300 HP proto scout from 30 to 60 m running to see how fast it drops at ridiculous ranges

Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1534469#post1534469

Thanks CCP!

theres no reason for the AR to go right back 2 its starting position after the kick

I think this is a huge part of what's going on here, letting go of the trigger should not instantly reset your aim back to where you started.

Oh this is nice.

I didn't even notice they updated the weekly feedback/bugs thing

And don't get me wrong! Burst fire is an important part of using non mounted full auto weapons in most FPS games, but there should be an actual challenge to it than what it is now. Mid to long range fire should be only accurate if the user is firing in 2-3 round bursts, not the joke it is now.

Good vid Shayz.

I hope so too. The sad part is that the Assault Scrambler Rifle already has a proper kick mechanic that prevents players from doing this...yet they haven't applied it to the AR.

Why not make the AR kick from the second you start firing...just like the Assault Scrambler Rifle?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrVDPmIhkx8&feature=youtube_gdata