DUST Search - Small arms do lot of damage to vehicle

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Zero Harpuia wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

negative49er wrote:

a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank

Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles.

No, they shouldn't. Could you imagine if LAVs were immune to all small weapons fire? Vehicles should have great resistances, as that is what sets them apart from infantry. The vehicles should be able to be harassed by people with light arms. In New Eden, the smallest Rifter can still tickle an Avatar's shields and armor, so why should Light weapons not effect vehicles? The divide isn't nearly as wide.

Furthermore, how does it make logical sense? If I fire, say, a Scrambler Rifle at an HAV, it's shields intercept the blast. It isn't like the shields aren't USED, you can see them flash. They are therefore drained due to the power output required to block the shot and re-energize the defensive layer.

In any case, its not like the AR or ScR or any anti-infantry weapon will out-do an Anti-Vehicular weapon in any way, shaoe, or form for anti-vehicular warfare. But arbitrarily making them do no damage is just silly. You have high resistances, those are tallied into things when small arms fire hits you, so it is really nothing to worry about. In the OP's example, it was a mass of players doing a significant amount of damage, the OP specifically stating they were just an irritation at best.

See, in EVE, all turrets are anti-ship turrets. Those are the only weapons. The only platform you have is a space ship. In Dust, we have more than one platform.

Why should something designed for taking out people, also do damage to an 80 ton vehicle? That doesn't make sense. Even a .50cal doesn't do anything to a tank. Why should an SMG damage a tank?

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negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 335	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:36:00 - [1] - Quote a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Me and my shotty
Sky Kage Immortal Guides 108	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:38:00 - [2] - Quote me and five other scouts all shotgunned a 6k armor tank in under 30 seconds. I die alot AND have fun... Who knew? FIX MATCHMAKING CCP!
Mdog 24158 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:39:00 - [3] - Quote negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Why dont you just kill them your in a god damn tank :/ Flying derpships and scout shotgunning 24/7 quite fun i must say
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 407	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:39:00 - [4] - Quote A Heavy Efficient Repper still reps more.
4447 Resolution XIII 858	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:47:00 - [5] - Quote Sky Kage wrote: me and five other scouts all shotgunned a 6k armor tank in under 30 seconds. Teamwork, that's what tankers are always on about. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 335	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:57:00 - [6] - Quote Mdog 24158 wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Why dont you just kill them your in a god damn tank :/ You know i one got one main turret, I was trying I didn't die i just said they were doing damage Me and my shotty
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 157	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:05:00 - [7] - Quote Sky Kage wrote: me and five other scouts all shotgunned a 6k armor tank in under 30 seconds. Great stuff. I didn't even know that was possible... you guys should do a video of that!!!
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1269	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:39:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1346	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:41:00 - [9] - Quote negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1346	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:48:00 - [10] - Quote 4447 wrote: Sky Kage wrote: me and five other scouts all shotgunned a 6k armor tank in under 30 seconds. Teamwork, that's what tankers are always on about. Using weapons that aren't designed to kill a tank, because lol, "why shouldn't my AR kill a tank." Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1242	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:54:00 - [11] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. No, they shouldn't. Could you imagine if LAVs were immune to all small weapons fire? Vehicles should have great resistances, as that is what sets them apart from infantry. The vehicles should be able to be harassed by people with light arms. In New Eden, the smallest Rifter can still tickle an Avatar's shields and armor, so why should Light weapons not effect vehicles? The divide isn't nearly as wide. Furthermore, how does it make logical sense? If I fire, say, a Scrambler Rifle at an HAV, it's shields intercept the blast. It isn't like the shields aren't USED, you can see them flash. They are therefore drained due to the power output required to block the shot and re-energize the defensive layer. In any case, its not like the AR or ScR or any anti-infantry weapon will out-do an Anti-Vehicular weapon in any way, shaoe, or form for anti-vehicular warfare. But arbitrarily making them do no damage is just silly. You have high resistances, those are tallied into things when small arms fire hits you, so it is really nothing to worry about. In the OP's example, it was a mass of players doing a significant amount of damage, the OP specifically stating they were just an irritation at best. Shields as Weapons
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1369	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:15:00 - [12] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. small arms fire will not stop the regen. "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1270	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:21:00 - [13] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. small arms fire will not stop the regen. Confirmed? I asked the same thing in the vehicle changes thread but never got an answer. TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1346	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:21:00 - [14] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. No, they shouldn't. Could you imagine if LAVs were immune to all small weapons fire? Vehicles should have great resistances, as that is what sets them apart from infantry. The vehicles should be able to be harassed by people with light arms. In New Eden, the smallest Rifter can still tickle an Avatar's shields and armor, so why should Light weapons not effect vehicles? The divide isn't nearly as wide. Furthermore, how does it make logical sense? If I fire, say, a Scrambler Rifle at an HAV, it's shields intercept the blast. It isn't like the shields aren't USED, you can see them flash. They are therefore drained due to the power output required to block the shot and re-energize the defensive layer. In any case, its not like the AR or ScR or any anti-infantry weapon will out-do an Anti-Vehicular weapon in any way, shaoe, or form for anti-vehicular warfare. But arbitrarily making them do no damage is just silly. You have high resistances, those are tallied into things when small arms fire hits you, so it is really nothing to worry about. In the OP's example, it was a mass of players doing a significant amount of damage, the OP specifically stating they were just an irritation at best. See, in EVE, all turrets are anti-ship turrets. Those are the only weapons. The only platform you have is a space ship. In Dust, we have more than one platform. Why should something designed for taking out people, also do damage to an 80 ton vehicle? That doesn't make sense. Even a .50cal doesn't do anything to a tank. Why should an SMG damage a tank? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 476	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:25:00 - [15] - Quote Stop using unfitted miltia tanks I eat blue waffles when i proto stomp.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1349	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:32:00 - [16] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Stop using unfitted miltia tanks Like anybody in RND knows anything about vehicles. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 336	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:42:00 - [17] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Stop using unfitted miltia tanks Ok you stick with that Me and my shotty
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 45	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:52:00 - [18] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. Message from Godin: I've heard otherwise....
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 315	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:06:00 - [19] - Quote If they know where the weak spot is. Also if your in a crap fit then yeah they do a lot of damage.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 336	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:16:00 - [20] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: If they know where the weak spot is. Also if your in a crap fit then yeah they do a lot of damage. Ok no i was not in a **** fit, I was in my madruger wiht 1225 shield and 5188 armor with to microcell armor harder( even though i had one on at the time) i didn't die Me and my shotty

Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 317	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:17:00 - [21] - Quote negative49er wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: If they know where the weak spot is. Also if your in a crap fit then yeah they do a lot of damage. Ok no i was not in a **** fit, I was in my madruger wiht 1225 shield and 5188 armor with to microcell armor harder( even though i had one on at the time) i didn't die You didn't die? Cause you weren't in a crap fit? What's the problem then?
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1566	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:20:00 - [22] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. I agree that the AR and ScR should do no dmg to armour on a tank, but I do think they should tickle shields. Also, MD and flaylock should everything. They shot out booms after all. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1373	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:22:00 - [23] - Quote Used to rip Balochs with a MH-82. Now it's that Duvolle, bruh. Cheeseburgers.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 493	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:24:00 - [24] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. I agree that the AR and ScR should do no dmg to armour on a tank, but I do think they should tickle shields. Also, MD and flaylock should everything. They shot out booms after all. Exactly what I was going to say. Flaylock fires a missile so yes should damage tanks and MD fires grenades. Both equally valid against a tank "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2251	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:42:00 - [25] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. No, they shouldn't. Could you imagine if LAVs were immune to all small weapons fire? Vehicles should have great resistances, as that is what sets them apart from infantry. The vehicles should be able to be harassed by people with light arms. In New Eden, the smallest Rifter can still tickle an Avatar's shields and armor, so why should Light weapons not effect vehicles? The divide isn't nearly as wide. Furthermore, how does it make logical sense? If I fire, say, a Scrambler Rifle at an HAV, it's shields intercept the blast. It isn't like the shields aren't USED, you can see them flash. They are therefore drained due to the power output required to block the shot and re-energize the defensive layer. In any case, its not like the AR or ScR or any anti-infantry weapon will out-do an Anti-Vehicular weapon in any way, shaoe, or form for anti-vehicular warfare. But arbitrarily making them do no damage is just silly. You have high resistances, those are tallied into things when small arms fire hits you, so it is really nothing to worry about. In the OP's example, it was a mass of players doing a significant amount of damage, the OP specifically stating they were just an irritation at best. See, in EVE, all turrets are anti-ship turrets. Those are the only weapons. The only platform you have is a space ship. In Dust, we have more than one platform. Why should something designed for taking out people, also do damage to an 80 ton vehicle? That doesn't make sense. Even a .50cal doesn't do anything to a tank. Why should an SMG damage a tank? So you're saying that a 50 caliber round doesn't even tickle a tank? For some reason I highly doubt that. Would it hurt it much? No not at all. Would it still damage the vehicle? Yes. So why shouldn't our small arms do minimal damage that can barely even be noticed.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1528	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:59:00 - [26] - Quote negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do ** ton of damage to a tank Not to a shield tank Closed Beta Vet** Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1270	Posted - 2013.11.25 19:18:00 - [27] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. Message from Godin: I've heard otherwise.... Is it confirmed that small arms wont reset the recharge delay because I have seen a few people claim it wont but no confirmation. Hopefully your right but I asked in the vehicle changes thread and never got an answer. TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
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