DUST Search - Small arms do lot of damage to vehicle

Kane Fyea wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Zero Harpuia wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

negative49er wrote:

a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank

Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles.

No, they shouldn't. Could you imagine if LAVs were immune to all small weapons fire? Vehicles should have great resistances, as that is what sets them apart from infantry. The vehicles should be able to be harassed by people with light arms. In New Eden, the smallest Rifter can still tickle an Avatar's shields and armor, so why should Light weapons not effect vehicles? The divide isn't nearly as wide.

Furthermore, how does it make logical sense? If I fire, say, a Scrambler Rifle at an HAV, it's shields intercept the blast. It isn't like the shields aren't USED, you can see them flash. They are therefore drained due to the power output required to block the shot and re-energize the defensive layer.

In any case, its not like the AR or ScR or any anti-infantry weapon will out-do an Anti-Vehicular weapon in any way, shaoe, or form for anti-vehicular warfare. But arbitrarily making them do no damage is just silly. You have high resistances, those are tallied into things when small arms fire hits you, so it is really nothing to worry about. In the OP's example, it was a mass of players doing a significant amount of damage, the OP specifically stating they were just an irritation at best.

See, in EVE, all turrets are anti-ship turrets. Those are the only weapons. The only platform you have is a space ship. In Dust, we have more than one platform.

Why should something designed for taking out people, also do damage to an 80 ton vehicle? That doesn't make sense. Even a .50cal doesn't do anything to a tank. Why should an SMG damage a tank?

So you're saying that a 50 caliber round doesn't even tickle a tank? For some reason I highly doubt that. Would it hurt it much? No not at all. Would it still damage the vehicle? Yes. So why shouldn't our small arms do minimal damage that can barely even be noticed.

Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

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negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 335	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:36:00 - [1] - Quote a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Me and my shotty
Sky Kage Immortal Guides 108	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:38:00 - [2] - Quote me and five other scouts all shotgunned a 6k armor tank in under 30 seconds. I die alot AND have fun... Who knew? FIX MATCHMAKING CCP!
Mdog 24158 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:39:00 - [3] - Quote negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Why dont you just kill them your in a god damn tank :/ Flying derpships and scout shotgunning 24/7 quite fun i must say
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 407	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:39:00 - [4] - Quote A Heavy Efficient Repper still reps more.
4447 Resolution XIII 858	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:47:00 - [5] - Quote Sky Kage wrote: me and five other scouts all shotgunned a 6k armor tank in under 30 seconds. Teamwork, that's what tankers are always on about. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 335	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:57:00 - [6] - Quote Mdog 24158 wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Why dont you just kill them your in a god damn tank :/ You know i one got one main turret, I was trying I didn't die i just said they were doing damage Me and my shotty
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 157	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:05:00 - [7] - Quote Sky Kage wrote: me and five other scouts all shotgunned a 6k armor tank in under 30 seconds. Great stuff. I didn't even know that was possible... you guys should do a video of that!!!
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1269	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:39:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1346	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:41:00 - [9] - Quote negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1346	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:48:00 - [10] - Quote 4447 wrote: Sky Kage wrote: me and five other scouts all shotgunned a 6k armor tank in under 30 seconds. Teamwork, that's what tankers are always on about. Using weapons that aren't designed to kill a tank, because lol, "why shouldn't my AR kill a tank." Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1242	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:54:00 - [11] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. No, they shouldn't. Could you imagine if LAVs were immune to all small weapons fire? Vehicles should have great resistances, as that is what sets them apart from infantry. The vehicles should be able to be harassed by people with light arms. In New Eden, the smallest Rifter can still tickle an Avatar's shields and armor, so why should Light weapons not effect vehicles? The divide isn't nearly as wide. Furthermore, how does it make logical sense? If I fire, say, a Scrambler Rifle at an HAV, it's shields intercept the blast. It isn't like the shields aren't USED, you can see them flash. They are therefore drained due to the power output required to block the shot and re-energize the defensive layer. In any case, its not like the AR or ScR or any anti-infantry weapon will out-do an Anti-Vehicular weapon in any way, shaoe, or form for anti-vehicular warfare. But arbitrarily making them do no damage is just silly. You have high resistances, those are tallied into things when small arms fire hits you, so it is really nothing to worry about. In the OP's example, it was a mass of players doing a significant amount of damage, the OP specifically stating they were just an irritation at best. Shields as Weapons
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1369	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:15:00 - [12] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. small arms fire will not stop the regen. "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1270	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:21:00 - [13] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. small arms fire will not stop the regen. Confirmed? I asked the same thing in the vehicle changes thread but never got an answer. TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1346	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:21:00 - [14] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. No, they shouldn't. Could you imagine if LAVs were immune to all small weapons fire? Vehicles should have great resistances, as that is what sets them apart from infantry. The vehicles should be able to be harassed by people with light arms. In New Eden, the smallest Rifter can still tickle an Avatar's shields and armor, so why should Light weapons not effect vehicles? The divide isn't nearly as wide. Furthermore, how does it make logical sense? If I fire, say, a Scrambler Rifle at an HAV, it's shields intercept the blast. It isn't like the shields aren't USED, you can see them flash. They are therefore drained due to the power output required to block the shot and re-energize the defensive layer. In any case, its not like the AR or ScR or any anti-infantry weapon will out-do an Anti-Vehicular weapon in any way, shaoe, or form for anti-vehicular warfare. But arbitrarily making them do no damage is just silly. You have high resistances, those are tallied into things when small arms fire hits you, so it is really nothing to worry about. In the OP's example, it was a mass of players doing a significant amount of damage, the OP specifically stating they were just an irritation at best. See, in EVE, all turrets are anti-ship turrets. Those are the only weapons. The only platform you have is a space ship. In Dust, we have more than one platform. Why should something designed for taking out people, also do damage to an 80 ton vehicle? That doesn't make sense. Even a .50cal doesn't do anything to a tank. Why should an SMG damage a tank? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 476	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:25:00 - [15] - Quote Stop using unfitted miltia tanks I eat blue waffles when i proto stomp.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1349	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:32:00 - [16] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Stop using unfitted miltia tanks Like anybody in RND knows anything about vehicles. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 336	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:42:00 - [17] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Stop using unfitted miltia tanks Ok you stick with that Me and my shotty
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 45	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:52:00 - [18] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. Message from Godin: I've heard otherwise....
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 315	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:06:00 - [19] - Quote If they know where the weak spot is. Also if your in a crap fit then yeah they do a lot of damage.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 336	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:16:00 - [20] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: If they know where the weak spot is. Also if your in a crap fit then yeah they do a lot of damage. Ok no i was not in a **** fit, I was in my madruger wiht 1225 shield and 5188 armor with to microcell armor harder( even though i had one on at the time) i didn't die Me and my shotty

Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 317	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:17:00 - [21] - Quote negative49er wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: If they know where the weak spot is. Also if your in a crap fit then yeah they do a lot of damage. Ok no i was not in a **** fit, I was in my madruger wiht 1225 shield and 5188 armor with to microcell armor harder( even though i had one on at the time) i didn't die You didn't die? Cause you weren't in a crap fit? What's the problem then?
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1566	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:20:00 - [22] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. I agree that the AR and ScR should do no dmg to armour on a tank, but I do think they should tickle shields. Also, MD and flaylock should everything. They shot out booms after all. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1373	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:22:00 - [23] - Quote Used to rip Balochs with a MH-82. Now it's that Duvolle, bruh. Cheeseburgers.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 493	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:24:00 - [24] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. I agree that the AR and ScR should do no dmg to armour on a tank, but I do think they should tickle shields. Also, MD and flaylock should everything. They shot out booms after all. Exactly what I was going to say. Flaylock fires a missile so yes should damage tanks and MD fires grenades. Both equally valid against a tank "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2251	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:42:00 - [25] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. No, they shouldn't. Could you imagine if LAVs were immune to all small weapons fire? Vehicles should have great resistances, as that is what sets them apart from infantry. The vehicles should be able to be harassed by people with light arms. In New Eden, the smallest Rifter can still tickle an Avatar's shields and armor, so why should Light weapons not effect vehicles? The divide isn't nearly as wide. Furthermore, how does it make logical sense? If I fire, say, a Scrambler Rifle at an HAV, it's shields intercept the blast. It isn't like the shields aren't USED, you can see them flash. They are therefore drained due to the power output required to block the shot and re-energize the defensive layer. In any case, its not like the AR or ScR or any anti-infantry weapon will out-do an Anti-Vehicular weapon in any way, shaoe, or form for anti-vehicular warfare. But arbitrarily making them do no damage is just silly. You have high resistances, those are tallied into things when small arms fire hits you, so it is really nothing to worry about. In the OP's example, it was a mass of players doing a significant amount of damage, the OP specifically stating they were just an irritation at best. See, in EVE, all turrets are anti-ship turrets. Those are the only weapons. The only platform you have is a space ship. In Dust, we have more than one platform. Why should something designed for taking out people, also do damage to an 80 ton vehicle? That doesn't make sense. Even a .50cal doesn't do anything to a tank. Why should an SMG damage a tank? So you're saying that a 50 caliber round doesn't even tickle a tank? For some reason I highly doubt that. Would it hurt it much? No not at all. Would it still damage the vehicle? Yes. So why shouldn't our small arms do minimal damage that can barely even be noticed.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1528	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:59:00 - [26] - Quote negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do ** ton of damage to a tank Not to a shield tank Closed Beta Vet** Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1270	Posted - 2013.11.25 19:18:00 - [27] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. Message from Godin: I've heard otherwise.... Is it confirmed that small arms wont reset the recharge delay because I have seen a few people claim it wont but no confirmation. Hopefully your right but I asked in the vehicle changes thread and never got an answer. TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1361	Posted - 2013.11.25 19:37:00 - [28] - Quote You gotta be kidding me Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 3907	Posted - 2013.11.25 19:38:00 - [29] - Quote This thread gave me chemo. I Support SP Rollover ^_^
Fox Gaden Bojo's School of the Trades 1604	Posted - 2013.11.25 19:53:00 - [30] - Quote I shot down a Dropship with an HMG, but then it was hovering 5m in front of me when I was standing on the edge of a structure. I can also kill standard LAVGÇÖs if they stay still long enough. Renier Gaden: CEO of Immortal Guides Fox Gaden: TCO & TMO for BSotT Crash Gaden: Operations Director, Immortal Guide

Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1243	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:12:00 - [31] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. No, they shouldn't. Could you imagine if LAVs were immune to all small weapons fire? Vehicles should have great resistances, as that is what sets them apart from infantry. The vehicles should be able to be harassed by people with light arms. In New Eden, the smallest Rifter can still tickle an Avatar's shields and armor, so why should Light weapons not effect vehicles? The divide isn't nearly as wide. Furthermore, how does it make logical sense? If I fire, say, a Scrambler Rifle at an HAV, it's shields intercept the blast. It isn't like the shields aren't USED, you can see them flash. They are therefore drained due to the power output required to block the shot and re-energize the defensive layer. In any case, its not like the AR or ScR or any anti-infantry weapon will out-do an Anti-Vehicular weapon in any way, shaoe, or form for anti-vehicular warfare. But arbitrarily making them do no damage is just silly. You have high resistances, those are tallied into things when small arms fire hits you, so it is really nothing to worry about. In the OP's example, it was a mass of players doing a significant amount of damage, the OP specifically stating they were just an irritation at best. See, in EVE, all turrets are anti-ship turrets. Those are the only weapons. The only platform you have is a space ship. In Dust, we have more than one platform. Why should something designed for taking out people, also do damage to an 80 ton vehicle? That doesn't make sense. Even a .50cal doesn't do anything to a tank. Why should an SMG damage a tank? I'll give you that, but it's all a question of scale in EVE. A Light class turret in EVE is about as big as a Heavy class DUST turret, if I've done my research right. Using Railguns as a starting point, these turrets fire Hybrid Rounds roughly as large as ones that the Forge Gun or Large Railgun Turrets planetside. The only difference between them and the XL sized turrets is a matter of scale, and a severe one at that. XL turrets are huge, their rounds alone larger than your HAV. Be thankful EVE corps want the land we fight on or else we wouldn't exist :3 To put that in perspective DUST side, the difference between Light weapons and Heavy Attack Vehicle Turrets isn't quite as wide. An HAV's main battery fires bullets about the size of an AR, give or take a few centimeters. This means that, if starting with sidearms as their own power level, EVE to DUST, we get... Small is Sidearm Class Medium is Light Class Large is Heavy Class and Light Turrets, both roughly of comparable power and size, comparing the Small Blaster to the HMG Extra Large is Large Turrets So AV proficient weapons are only two levels above standard issue Light weaponry. And yes, enough people shooting ARs at an HAV will eventually kill it, but so will enough Rifters swarming a Myrmidon. Numbers may be a factor, but if we think that a 10 v 1 fight should be unerringly won by the 1, we are being a tad foolish. Shields as Weapons
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1243	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:14:00 - [32] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: This thread gave me chemo. I hope you just came off one that gave you cancer then :p Shields as Weapons
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1161	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:20:00 - [33] - Quote IKR Last week I killed a HAV with my Toxin SMG. Seriously, three kills plus a dead HAV, I know they had to be pissed (or would've been had it not said "Alaika Arbosa (Road Kill) Reddot Name" three times in a row). Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1739	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:22:00 - [34] - Quote negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank There have been times when I take more damage from small arms fire in a Gunnlogi than I do from Swarm Launchers When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4295	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:22:00 - [35] - Quote Mdog 24158 wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Why dont you just kill them your in a god damn tank :/ Hehehehe Lai Dai mate, if you have em' were a running from you. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4295	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:24:00 - [36] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: This thread gave me chemo. I hope you just came off one that gave you cancer then :p Not all that funny of a joke. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5403	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:45:00 - [37] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. Message from Godin: I've heard otherwise.... Is it confirmed that small arms wont reset the recharge delay because I have seen a few people claim it wont but no confirmation. Hopefully your right but I asked in the vehicle changes thread and never got an answer. It is confirmed. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 934	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:48:00 - [38] - Quote When gunnlogi shields drop... insta manganite to any weapon. What the fox say?
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 361	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:49:00 - [39] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. My efficiency always says ~20% for vehicles. And I agree on reduced damage for armor, but not shields. Your shield are not special and should melt from laser fire. Also, a full squad working on 6000k armor shouldn't take long if using energy weapons and explosives, but shouldn't be possible using projectiles and hybrids (SG, AR, etc). With that said I've seen a lot fewer av in pubs...everyone just shoots the tank hoping to get +75 assist points.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1025	Posted - 2013.11.25 22:01:00 - [40] - Quote I've probably had several dozen of my Somas popped by now. I don't think I can honestly say I've ever had small arms fire contribute enough damage that I wouldn't have died without it. Most weapons deal 10%-20% damage to vehicles. In the case of a Duvolle with proficiency 5 and 2 complex mods, that would be 60-120 DPS. We're looking at 300-600 damage a clip. With my hardeners on, it's about 150-300 damage a clip. If 5 guys each unload a clip over 5 seconds, that's 750-1500 damage. So, it only takes 5-10 seconds of a whole squad firing at me to deal the same damage as a swarm. I don't know about you, but unless I'm boosting into a dozen guys and not killing any of them and they all decide to focus their infantry weapons on me at the same time, I'm not going to care. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.

Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1271	Posted - 2013.11.25 22:05:00 - [41] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Yeah and its incredibly stupid that small arms damage tanks (with the exception of PLC swarms and MD obviously,a nd heavy weapons should damage them.) vehicles in 1.7 will be getting shield recharge delays which means one guy with an AR taking a shot at you every few seconds will completely halt passive regen. Although I must admit firing 1 random ScR shot at a nearly dead tank and getting 150 wp is always amusing. Message from Godin: I've heard otherwise.... Is it confirmed that small arms wont reset the recharge delay because I have seen a few people claim it wont but no confirmation. Hopefully your right but I asked in the vehicle changes thread and never got an answer. It is confirmed. Thank you. TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1353	Posted - 2013.11.25 22:18:00 - [42] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Small arms should do absolutely zero to vehicles. No, they shouldn't. Could you imagine if LAVs were immune to all small weapons fire? Vehicles should have great resistances, as that is what sets them apart from infantry. The vehicles should be able to be harassed by people with light arms. In New Eden, the smallest Rifter can still tickle an Avatar's shields and armor, so why should Light weapons not effect vehicles? The divide isn't nearly as wide. Furthermore, how does it make logical sense? If I fire, say, a Scrambler Rifle at an HAV, it's shields intercept the blast. It isn't like the shields aren't USED, you can see them flash. They are therefore drained due to the power output required to block the shot and re-energize the defensive layer. In any case, its not like the AR or ScR or any anti-infantry weapon will out-do an Anti-Vehicular weapon in any way, shaoe, or form for anti-vehicular warfare. But arbitrarily making them do no damage is just silly. You have high resistances, those are tallied into things when small arms fire hits you, so it is really nothing to worry about. In the OP's example, it was a mass of players doing a significant amount of damage, the OP specifically stating they were just an irritation at best. See, in EVE, all turrets are anti-ship turrets. Those are the only weapons. The only platform you have is a space ship. In Dust, we have more than one platform. Why should something designed for taking out people, also do damage to an 80 ton vehicle? That doesn't make sense. Even a .50cal doesn't do anything to a tank. Why should an SMG damage a tank? So you're saying that a 50 caliber round doesn't even tickle a tank? For some reason I highly doubt that. Would it hurt it much? No not at all. Would it still damage the vehicle? Yes. So why shouldn't our small arms do minimal damage that can barely even be noticed. It's a .50 cal... vs a tank. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 78	Posted - 2013.11.25 23:17:00 - [43] - Quote I'm thinking of World Of Tanks Small arms should be able to damage shields, it makes sense. But small arms should not be able to damage armor, the rounds are way too small to even penetrate the thick plating of an HAV. In the online game World of Tanks, smaller guns do absolutely no damage to a heavy tank with very thick armor, unless its shooting at its backside or underside. The shooter is met with the response "It didn't even penetrate!" This seems reasonable to me
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2426	Posted - 2013.11.25 23:20:00 - [44] - Quote negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do ** ton of damage to a tank WOW TANKER QQ is endless..like SRSLY. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....**
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1071	Posted - 2013.11.25 23:25:00 - [45] - Quote negative49er wrote: a concentrated fire from AR, SCR, Flaylocks, and Mass driver do **** ton of damage to a tank Tankers 80 dps from an AR is too much, Also Mass Driver and Flaylock are explosives, which means they get AV damage profiles! Technically the Mass Driver is the Minmatar AV weapon. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1071	Posted - 2013.11.25 23:32:00 - [46] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: I'm thinking of World Of Tanks Small arms should be able to damage shields, it makes sense. But small arms should not be able to damage armor, the rounds are way too small to even penetrate the thick plating of an HAV. In the online game World of Tanks, smaller guns do absolutely no damage to a heavy tank with very thick armor, unless its shooting at its backside or underside. The shooter is met with the response "It didn't even penetrate!" This seems reasonable to me We are shooting plasma that's so hot, it melts any armour it comes into contact with. We are shooting fission based fragmentation rounds, it disintegrates any armour it comes to contact with. We are shooting super concentrated photons, that destroy armour on a molecular. We are shooting hyper-accelerated slugs with so much momentum, it should flip a tank. Just Sayin The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1


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