I was a heavy and I can say that even with all your hmg skills maxed its still just a ok-ish weapon the ar and scrambler just are better in compared to the hmg in most areas sure the hmg rapes up close but other then its kinda uselss I shouldnt be able to kill a adv heavy in cqc with a toxin ar but I can imo the only real benifit is the large ammo pool srry for any grammar mistakes using my phone

I went SCR on my dedicated heavy. It's ... soo much better. 35 were my top games with HMG, sometimes a near 40, now I get near 60 sometimes. It's ridiculous the range SCR has and the Imperial one shot kill on anyone not in full proto or armor tanking.

I have HMG Prof.5 and AR Prof.3, I like them both for reasons. The HMG for me is the go-to weapon for any close range map. All these people complaining about the HMG sucking in CQC probably just suck with it. For that maps that are mid-long ranges I switch to AR/Scram because the HMG is useless at range. I like them both and it all depends on the map and what I feel like using at that time.

Maybe it's because they don't have prof.5 with it?

99% of heavies with AR's I've seen are not point defence, they are simply bad players that need tons of EHP to be competitive.

Damage Mods FTW breh.

Does the HMG require Damage Mods to be effective?

No I personally only use Damage mods on the Burst HMG's. If you are having a hard time getting the kill then slap one of them on. You need to practice with the HMG to be good with it. It isn't a pickup and go weapon like the AR. You need to change your playstyle a bit and play more defensive. Once you get the feel for it down than you can see how good it is IF you can use it.

So, basically what you're saying is that either "good players" who want to use heavy dropsuit should use the HMG, because HMG sucks, or that heavies are meant only for "point defense" and should not even try to engage an enemy at medium-long ranges.

Anyway you put it, this simply sucks.

And one other thing... in any meaningful military definition of the term "point defense", the soldier performing that role is not meant to let the enemy get close and then engage. The purpose of point defense is to, first and foremost, prevent the enemy from getting close. So, even in that sense, HMG is not the "point defense" weapon. It is a bullet-spewing equivalent of a shotgun, with somewhat better range and terrible aiming mechanics (just search for the topic named "HMG accurately inaccurate" to see what I mean).

I think It could use a LITTLE damage buff but that is about it. The HMG is really good and everyone should give it a try. If you really want when I get on tonight I could give you some pointers. Once you got it down it's a really fun weapon to use.

I went SCR on my dedicated heavy. It's ... soo much better. 35 were my top games with HMG, sometimes a near 40, now I get near 60 sometimes. It's ridiculous the range SCR has and the Imperial one shot kill on anyone not in full proto or armor tanking.

I still only use the hmg on my fatty. Still have fun with it. Makes no sense to carry an ar on the heavu because of the sp sink the suit os in the first place. If im going to use an ar, i just switch to a med. Frame

ad 30 m to that range and u can see how 1.7 is going to be hell

So, i lurk around, I sneak, and I see thingsGǪ oh the things I have seenGǪ
I have seen more and more Heavies packing the AR, and this has me wondering a few things.

Are these AR toting Heavies just med frames stepping up for the HP buff? Well some may be butGǪ

Since many of the Heavies with ARs that I have encountered have been Proto, I think that they are dedicated Heavies, who have given up the HMG in favour of the AR.

So what do you Heavies think of the HMG compared to the AR?

What differences do you notice in the way HMG fires in comparison to the AR?

Obviously the range is better, do you find the fall off damage is less, more or the same with the AR?

Do you see a significant difference in performance areas, such as barrel climb, dispersion, etcGǪ (pretty sure you are all digging the reload time)

And lastly, why not the Scrambler Rifle instead of the AR (i may be wrong but does not the Sentinel bonus benefit the use of the SCR/)

Thoughts and info appreciated

No hidden agenda here just curious about this, and wondering if this info could benefit balancing the HMG out a bit.

Totally agree! I need support or feedback regarding the HEAVIES.

Please CCP:
HMG needs sharpshooter upgrade.

HMG needs +2 dmg at advanced and +4 at prototype. (Or nerf AR's and SR's)

Sentinels need a base of 2,000/1,000 Shields/Armor respectively. (Sentinels are slow. And are supposed to absorb a barrage of fire, not be easily taken down by a militia AR.) (Or nerf AR's and SR's)

HMG needs a cool-down upgrade.

Breach Forge guns NEED more Direct damage! (Its impossible to kill a HAV that moves like an LAV and has shield and armor reps. You have to charge for 6sec's. You NEED to do more damage)

Sentinels need more factional Suits and WORTH WHILE ROLES! (Uprising 1.6 has NO incentives to skill into a role based dropsuit for Sentinels)


Thank you for your time! - CEO GENERAL FCF

Are these AR toting Heavies just med frames stepping up for the HP buff? Well some may be butGǪ

Since many of the Heavies with ARs that I have encountered have been Proto, I think that they are dedicated Heavies, who have given up the HMG in favour of the AR.

Just so you know you can fit more tank onto a gallant logo suit than you could possibly put on a heavy and still have enough CPU/PG to put a proto nano hive on that bad boy that repairs armor at four times the rate of four complex modules. I sincerely believe that the heavies with the AR are just fed up with the useless HMG and forge gun and have decided to make the switch.

Personally, after I got killed in match by a heavy with an ishukone SMG that easily bested my boundless HMG, decided to try out the scrambler rifle. The difference was like night and day. I killed people twice as fast as usual and I was only using the advanced version with proficiency 0. I can't imagine what it would be like with prof V.

The HMG definitely needs a buff of some sort, if not to range at least make it the king of CQC cause right now it can't even hold up against a med long range weapon like the scrambler rifle in CQC.

You have never busted out the Heavy against me
Wait i don't run scanners
carry on
And If anyone wants to see how the Scrambler rifle should be usedGǪ find this guy in gameGǪ under his other name, he is the King of the Scrambler in my opinion

I have HMG Prof.5 and AR Prof.3, I like them both for reasons. The HMG for me is the go-to weapon for any close range map. All these people complaining about the HMG sucking in CQC probably just suck with it. For that maps that are mid-long ranges I switch to AR/Scram because the HMG is useless at range. I like them both and it all depends on the map and what I feel like using at that time.

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So what do you Heavies think of the HMG compared to the AR?

What differences do you notice in the way HMG fires in comparison to the AR?

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I was a heavy and I can say that even with all your hmg skills maxed its still just a ok-ish weapon the ar and scrambler just are better in compared to the hmg in most areas sure the hmg rapes up close but other then its kinda uselss I shouldnt be able to kill a adv heavy in cqc with a toxin ar but I can imo the only real benifit is the large ammo pool srry for any grammar mistakes using my phone

99% of heavies with AR's I've seen are not point defence, they are simply bad players that need tons of EHP to be competitive.