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Llast 326 An Arkhos 538	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:37:00 - [1] - Quote So, i lurk around, I sneak, and I see thingsGÇª oh the things I have seenGÇª I have seen more and more Heavies packing the AR, and this has me wondering a few things. Are these AR toting Heavies just med frames stepping up for the HP buff? Well some may be butGÇª Since many of the Heavies with ARs that I have encountered have been Proto, I think that they are dedicated Heavies, who have given up the HMG in favour of the AR. So what do you Heavies think of the HMG compared to the AR? What differences do you notice in the way HMG fires in comparison to the AR? Obviously the range is better, do you find the fall off damage is less, more or the same with the AR? Do you see a significant difference in performance areas, such as barrel climb, dispersion, etcGÇª (pretty sure you are all digging the reload time) And lastly, why not the Scrambler Rifle instead of the AR (i may be wrong but does not the Sentinel bonus benefit the use of the SCR/) Thoughts and info appreciated No hidden agenda here just curious about this, and wondering if this info could benefit balancing the HMG out a bit. I am apparently not the only fool
Llast 326 An Arkhos 538	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:27:00 - [2] - Quote noobsniper the 2nd wrote: I was a heavy and I can say that even with all your hmg skills maxed its still just a ok-ish weapon the ar and scrambler just are better in compared to the hmg in most areas sure the hmg rapes up close but other then its kinda uselss I shouldnt be able to kill a adv heavy in cqc with a toxin ar but I can imo the only real benifit is the large ammo pool srry for any grammar mistakes using my phone So the ammo benefit of the HMG is not outweighed by the range of the AR or SCR, that makes sense. Also you say that you have an easier time in cqc with the AR than an ADV Heavy (using an HMG?) that is a bit disturbing. Are you engaging outside of optimal for the HMG? I am apparently not the only fool
Llast 326 An Arkhos 539	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:33:00 - [3] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: I went SCR on my dedicated heavy. It's ... soo much better. 35 were my top games with HMG, sometimes a near 40, now I get near 60 sometimes. It's ridiculous the range SCR has and the Imperial one shot kill on anyone not in full proto or armor tanking. So what you are saying is kills went way up, and range is a big factor in this, coupled with the versatility of the SCR. I am apparently not the only fool
Llast 326 An Arkhos 542	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:02:00 - [4] - Quote Bukkake Bill wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Bukkake Bill wrote: I have HMG Prof.5 and AR Prof.3, I like them both for reasons. The HMG for me is the go-to weapon for any close range map. All these people complaining about the HMG sucking in CQC probably just suck with it. For that maps that are mid-long ranges I switch to AR/Scram because the HMG is useless at range. I like them both and it all depends on the map and what I feel like using at that time. Maybe it's because they don't have prof.5 with it? Damage Mods FTW breh. Does the HMG require Damage Mods to be effective? I am apparently not the only fool
Llast 326 An Arkhos 542	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:11:00 - [5] - Quote Bukkake Bill wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Bukkake Bill wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Bukkake Bill wrote: I have HMG Prof.5 and AR Prof.3, I like them both for reasons. The HMG for me is the go-to weapon for any close range map. All these people complaining about the HMG sucking in CQC probably just suck with it. For that maps that are mid-long ranges I switch to AR/Scram because the HMG is useless at range. I like them both and it all depends on the map and what I feel like using at that time. Maybe it's because they don't have prof.5 with it? Damage Mods FTW breh. Does the HMG require Damage Mods to be effective? No I personally only use Damage mods on the Burst HMG's. If you are having a hard time getting the kill then slap one of them on. You need to practice with the HMG to be good with it. It isn't a pickup and go weapon like the AR. You need to change your playstyle a bit and play more defensive. Once you get the feel for it down than you can see how good it is IF you can use it. I see. The reason I ask is the it would indicate the weapon to be UP to me. Myself, I won't be picking up a HMG anytime soonGÇª unless they let me fit em on my scout suit I am apparently not the only fool
Llast 326 An Arkhos 542	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:05:00 - [6] - Quote Bukkake Bill wrote: I think It could use a LITTLE damage buff but that is about it. The HMG is really good and everyone should give it a try. If you really want when I get on tonight I could give you some pointers. Once you got it down it's a really fun weapon to use. I think I'll stick to my scoutiness, but feel free to use my uplinks to lay hellfire upon our enemies if we team up I am apparently not the only fool
Llast 326 An Arkhos 544	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:22:00 - [7] - Quote I suppose if you have a good set up with support from your team ammo would be less an issue. I am apparently not the only fool
Llast 326 An Arkhos 544	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:31:00 - [8] - Quote Jane Madson wrote: I still only use the hmg on my fatty. Still have fun with it. Makes no sense to carry an ar on the heavu because of the sp sink the suit os in the first place. If im going to use an ar, i just switch to a med. Frame The Heavy suits are the biggest sp sink, on top of that the heavy weapons are as well. Seems to be that a balance for the investment is not apparent though. This seems to be true of a lot of the skill tree thoughGÇª lower sp investment items tend to be more powerful, even though it would seem the inverse should be true. I am apparently not the only fool
Llast 326 An Arkhos 547	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:40:00 - [9] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: I went SCR on my dedicated heavy. It's ... soo much better. 35 were my top games with HMG, sometimes a near 40, now I get near 60 sometimes. It's ridiculous the range SCR has and the Imperial one shot kill on anyone not in full proto or armor tanking. ad 30 m to that range and u can see how 1.7 is going to be hell Yes but Heavies are getting theGÇª. umGÇª. what are you getting againGÇª. Right the Shaft I am apparently not the only fool
Llast 326 An Arkhos 548	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:51:00 - [10] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Llast 326 wrote: So, i lurk around, I sneak, and I see thingsGÇª oh the things I have seenGÇª I have seen more and more Heavies packing the AR, and this has me wondering a few things. Are these AR toting Heavies just med frames stepping up for the HP buff? Well some may be butGÇª Since many of the Heavies with ARs that I have encountered have been Proto, I think that they are dedicated Heavies, who have given up the HMG in favour of the AR. So what do you Heavies think of the HMG compared to the AR? What differences do you notice in the way HMG fires in comparison to the AR? Obviously the range is better, do you find the fall off damage is less, more or the same with the AR? Do you see a significant difference in performance areas, such as barrel climb, dispersion, etcGÇª (pretty sure you are all digging the reload time) And lastly, why not the Scrambler Rifle instead of the AR (i may be wrong but does not the Sentinel bonus benefit the use of the SCR/) Thoughts and info appreciated No hidden agenda here just curious about this, and wondering if this info could benefit balancing the HMG out a bit. Im an AMARR ASSAULT. I use the SCR. I use the SCR with a PROFILE DAMPENED Assault suit. When the enemy takes out proto scanners (that i cant avoid with my Amarr assault) I just take out a Sentinel A/1 Series with 2 Shield Energizers and 2 Armor reps and go nuts with an AR / SMG / M1 Grenades at 1200 HP.... Its just EZ mode. You have never busted out the Heavy against me Wait i don't run scanners carry on And If anyone wants to see how the Scrambler rifle should be usedGÇª find this guy in gameGÇª under his other name, he is the King of the Scrambler in my opinion I am apparently not the only fool

Llast 326 An Arkhos 549	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:48:00 - [11] - Quote God Hates Lags wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Are these AR toting Heavies just med frames stepping up for the HP buff? Well some may be butGÇª Since many of the Heavies with ARs that I have encountered have been Proto, I think that they are dedicated Heavies, who have given up the HMG in favour of the AR. Just so you know you can fit more tank onto a gallant logo suit than you could possibly put on a heavy and still have enough CPU/PG to put a proto nano hive on that bad boy that repairs armor at four times the rate of four complex modules. I sincerely believe that the heavies with the AR are just fed up with the useless HMG and forge gun and have decided to make the switch. Personally, after I got killed in match by a heavy with an ishukone SMG that easily bested my boundless HMG, decided to try out the scrambler rifle. The difference was like night and day. I killed people twice as fast as usual and I was only using the advanced version with proficiency 0. I can't imagine what it would be like with prof V. The HMG definitely needs a buff of some sort, if not to range at least make it the king of CQC cause right now it can't even hold up against a med long range weapon like the scrambler rifle in CQC. I've come up against the tanked out Deathlogi a few times (every time I play) Even after the buff to HP they outdo the HeavyGÇª damn (never checked the mathGÇª we are not on speaking terms right now) The repvantage I expected to always stay butGÇª So basically all these heavies are just lacking any viable heavy weapon choice in the med-long range. I am apparently not the only fool
Llast 326 An Arkhos 560	Posted - 2013.11.26 01:06:00 - [12] - Quote Okay, so to sum upGÇª What we have here is dedicated Heavies turning to the Light Weapons to fill the gap of med/long range weapons due to a hole in the Heavy Weapon choices. This relates to the effectiveness of the AR that is dominant on the field at this time (not going to go to much into that as I think that ground has been covered in many other threads in very messy ways) The HMG is ineffective at handling the engagement range of the AR, which still has no drawbacks within the HMG effective range. The speed of the Heavy Suit inhibits the maneuverability needed to effectively dictate the engagement on the heavies terms with the limited range of the HMG. Are any of you Heavies using KinCatz to compensate and is this effective? Heavies who have switched to the AR seem to find it overwhelmingly easier to use. Being a lower investment weapon in comparison to the HMG does this seem right? Heavies are already very SP invested in the suit choice, this coupled with the high investment cost into Heavy Weapons does not create a viable return for the investment. Anything else the community want to add to this? AndGÇª Thank you all for a very good discussion about this topic I am apparently not the only fool

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