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Ulysses Knapse duna corp 610	Posted - 2013.11.23 10:33:00 - [1] - Quote Have you ever wondered why dropsuits don't get names? I know I have. In EVE, even combat drones get their own names, like "Hobgoblin" or "Vespa", "Ogre" or "Wasp". In Dust 514, dropsuits don't get their own names. They get classifications only. Oh boy. "The Minmatar Supercarrier: Hel" "The Gallente Medium Combat Drone: Hammerhead" "The Caldari HAV: Sica" "The Gallente Assault Dropsuit: Gallente Assault Dropsuit" ... Yeah. How boring. Example Guy wrote: But Ulysses, we would run out of names if we named the dropsuits, too!" Oh really? I highly doubt it. In fact, I already came up with possible (example) names for the Gallente Dropsuits. Velites Dropsuit -- Gallente Light Dropsuit, T1 Proskopos Dropsuit -- Gallente Scout Dropsuit, T2 Legionnaire Dropsuit -- Gallente Medium Dropsuit, T1 Phalanx Dropsuit -- Gallente Assault Dropsuit, T2 Iatros Dropsuit -- Gallente Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Legatus Dropsuit -- Gallente Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Centurion Dropsuit -- Gallente Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Oplismos Dropsuit -- Gallente Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Pyrovolo Dropsuit - Gallente Commando Dropsuit, T2 These are obviously just example names, but I'm sort of fond of them. Point is, there are more than enough possible names. There were enough names available that I, a person that is certainly not easy to please, was able to come up with a list I felt relatively satisfied with. I was not pressed for choice here. I also came up with a list for the Minmatar and Amarr dropsuit names, but I decided that posting such here would be getting ahead of myself (I also didn't think they were as good. Acceptable, yes, but not as much). Furthermore, from a functional standpoint, if we ever get multiple dropsuits of the same specification and faction, names will make it much easier to distinguish them. I can't really make an example in Dust, because we don't have any variants yet. To all you capsuleers out there, though, can you imagine if the Drake, Ferox and Naga were named "Caldari Battlecruiser Type-A", "Caldari Battlecruiser Type-B" and "Caldari Battlecruiser Type-C"? Would be awful, right? So, can I haz dropsuit names? Humanity is the personification of change.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 272	Posted - 2013.11.23 13:12:00 - [2] - Quote I agree with this. They need names. But the classification-esque names help identify them, you know? I think it would have to have a name with the names we have currently in subtext below it in the market. Just for better understanding. Long Live Freedom; Long Live the Federation.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 57	Posted - 2013.11.23 13:15:00 - [3] - Quote Gallente heavy commando 'Hecatonchires'
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 615	Posted - 2013.11.23 13:51:00 - [4] - Quote zibathy numbertwo wrote: I agree with this. They need names. But the classification-esque names help identify them, you know? I think it would have to have a name with the names we have currently in subtext below it in the market. Just for better understanding. EVE has widely varying ship classifications as well, and I've never had any real problems identifying ships. It helps that EVE lovingly showers you with identification material. Keep in mind, though, that all dropsuits are organized by classification in the market already, so a subtext might be a little unnecessary. Humanity is the personification of change.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 870	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:54:00 - [5] - Quote +1 Amarr Logistics STD: Keeper ADV: Beholder PRO: Reclaimer [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 368	Posted - 2013.11.23 18:20:00 - [6] - Quote WHOA WHOA WHOA, some of us weren't in dust since 1.5 years ago. *Assassination is my thing.*
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 623	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:20:00 - [7] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: WHOA WHOA WHOA, some of us weren't in dust since 1.5 years ago. Your point being? Humanity is the personification of change.
Arc-08 Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 131	Posted - 2013.11.24 05:01:00 - [8] - Quote this is a great idea, but the Minmatar Heavy should be named Achilles, it can only be destroyed if you hit it with 100 damage to it's heel. Advanced Recon Commando's (A.R.C's) --- The most Elite fighting force in the galaxy
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 628	Posted - 2013.11.24 05:23:00 - [9] - Quote Arc-08 wrote: this is a great idea, but the Minmatar Heavy should be named Achilles, it can only be destroyed if you hit it with 100 damage to it's heel. The name fits with the Gallente better, as the masters of Greek names. Humanity is the personification of change.
Oswald Rehnquist 659	Posted - 2013.11.24 05:25:00 - [10] - Quote You copied some ship names, so those can't be used, also I will suggest a few changes Fizzer94 wrote: +1 ~REVISED~~REVISED~ AMARR Amarr Assault STD: Errant (credit of MINA Longstrike) ADV: Knight PRO: Templar Amarr Logistics STD: Keeper ADV: Beholder PRO: Reclaimer Amarr Scout STD: Initiate ADV: Chosen PRO: Exile Amarr Sentinel STD: Monaster ADV: PRO: CALDARI Caldari Assault STD: ADV: PRO: Caldari Logistics STD: Egret ADV: PRO: Caldari Scout STD: Nightingale ADV: PRO: Harrier (it means harasser as well so that is more scout) Caldari Sentinel STD: Vulture ADV: PRO: Below 28 dB

Ulysses Knapse duna corp 628	Posted - 2013.11.24 05:29:00 - [11] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: You copied some ship names, so those can't be used, also I will suggest a few changes Fizzer94 wrote: +1 ~REVISED~~REVISED~ AMARR Amarr Assault STD: Errant (credit of MINA Longstrike) ADV: Knight PRO: Templar Amarr Logistics STD: Keeper ADV: Beholder PRO: Reclaimer Amarr Scout STD: Initiate ADV: Chosen PRO: Exile Amarr Sentinel STD: Monaster ADV: PRO: CALDARI Caldari Assault STD: ADV: PRO: Caldari Logistics STD: Egret ADV: PRO: Caldari Scout STD: Nightingale ADV: PRO: Harrier (it means harasser as well so that is more scout) Caldari Sentinel STD: Vulture ADV: PRO: You forgot to remove Vulture. Humanity is the personification of change.
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 628	Posted - 2013.11.24 05:31:00 - [12] - Quote Here are my Amarr names I came up with earlier. I might as well show them if everyone else is going to show theirs. Herald Dropsuit -- Amarr Light Dropsuit, T1 Augur Dropsuit -- Amarr Scout Dropsuit, T2 Vicar Dropsuit -- Amarr Medium Dropsuit, T1 Evocator Dropsuit -- Amarr Assault Dropsuit, T2 Curator Dropsuit -- Amarr Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Elohim Dropsuit -- Amarr Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Sectarian Dropsuit -- Amarr Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Subjugator Dropsuit -- Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Garroter Dropsuit -- Amarr Commando Dropsuit, T2 It follows the Amarr naming conventions pretty well, unlike someone elses (I'm not pointing out names, here ). Humanity is the personification of change.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 905	Posted - 2013.11.24 06:41:00 - [13] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Here are my Amarr names I came up with earlier. I might as well show them if everyone else is going to show theirs. Herald Dropsuit -- Amarr Light Dropsuit, T1 Augur Dropsuit -- Amarr Scout Dropsuit, T2 Vicar Dropsuit -- Amarr Medium Dropsuit, T1 Evocator Dropsuit -- Amarr Assault Dropsuit, T2 Curator Dropsuit -- Amarr Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Elohim Dropsuit -- Amarr Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Sectarian Dropsuit -- Amarr Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Subjugator Dropsuit -- Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Garroter Dropsuit -- Amarr Commando Dropsuit, T2 It follows the Amarr naming conventions pretty well, unlike someone elses (I'm not pointing out names, here ). Why don't you like my names? I tried to make them sound more infantry-like. Yours sound good, but I don't think the Amarr would name anything after the Elohim. That's almost heretical. In particular, I like Herald, Vicar, Subjugator, and Garroter. They each sound fitting for the dropsuit you prescribed them to. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 628	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:00:00 - [14] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Why don't you like my names? Some of them are kind of boring, or stereotypical. Like Knight, Chosen, Keeper, or Templar. They also don't sound right when you put them next to some other Amarr vessel names. Fizzer94 wrote: I don't think the Amarr would name anything after the Elohim. That's almost heretical. Funny you should mention that... Humanity is the personification of change.
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 628	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:23:00 - [15] - Quote Alright, just to get the creative juices flowing, I've created a complete list of dropsuit names. Give me ideas for improvement if you want. I won't be making names for separate tiers, however, because I hate the current tier system. I would prefer to see EVE's Tech Level system instead. - - - GALLENTE DROPSUIT NAMES: Velites Dropsuit -- Gallente Light Dropsuit, T1 Proskopos Dropsuit -- Gallente Scout Dropsuit, T2 Legionnaire Dropsuit -- Gallente Medium Dropsuit, T1 Phalanx Dropsuit -- Gallente Assault Dropsuit, T2 Iatros Dropsuit -- Gallente Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Legatus Dropsuit -- Gallente Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Centurion Dropsuit -- Gallente Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Oplismos Dropsuit -- Gallente Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Pyrovolo Dropsuit - Gallente Commando Dropsuit, T2 Theos Dropsuit - Gallente Strategic Dropsuit, T3 - - - AMARR DROPSUIT NAMES: Herald Dropsuit -- Amarr Light Dropsuit, T1 Augur Dropsuit -- Amarr Scout Dropsuit, T2 Vicar Dropsuit -- Amarr Medium Dropsuit, T1 Evocator Dropsuit -- Amarr Assault Dropsuit, T2 Curator Dropsuit -- Amarr Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Elohim Dropsuit -- Amarr Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Sectarian Dropsuit -- Amarr Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Subjugator Dropsuit -- Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Garroter Dropsuit -- Amarr Commando Dropsuit, T2 Seraphim Dropsuit -- Amarr Strategic Dropsuit, T3 - - - CALDARI DROPSUIT NAMES: Wren Dropsuit -- Caldari Light Dropsuit, T1 Darter Dropsuit -- Caldari Scout Dropsuit, T2 Kite Dropsuit -- Caldari Medium Dropsuit, T1 Jackdaw Dropsuit -- Caldari Assault Dropsuit, T2 Sparrow Dropsuit -- Caldari Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Cardinal Dropsuit -- Caldari Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Harrier Dropsuit -- Caldari Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Adzebill Dropsuit -- Caldari Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Shrike Dropsuit -- Caldari Commando Dropsuit, T2 Nightingale Dropsuit -- Caldari Strategic Dropsuit, T3 - - - MINMATAR DROPSUIT NAMES: Fray Dropsuit -- Minmatar Light Dropsuit, T1 Surge Dropsuit -- Minmatar Scout Dropsuit, T2 Rive Dropsuit -- Minmatar Medium Dropsuit, T1 Sunder Dropsuit -- Minmatar Assault Dropsuit, T2 Baste Dropsuit -- Minmatar Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Skoll Dropsuit -- Minmatar Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Cudgel Dropsuit -- Minmatar Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Bludgeon Dropsuit -- Minmatar Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Fracture Dropsuit -- Minmatar Commando Dropsuit, T2 Vali Dropsuit -- Minmatar Strategic Dropsuit, T3 Humanity is the personification of change.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5271	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:24:00 - [16] - Quote I agree. They need names on all of them. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 628	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:39:00 - [17] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I agree. They need names on all of them. I agree with this man's agreement! Humanity is the personification of change.
Subject 36 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 13	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:28:00 - [18] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Here are my Amarr names I came up with earlier. I might as well show them if everyone else is going to show theirs. Herald Dropsuit -- Amarr Light Dropsuit, T1 Augur Dropsuit -- Amarr Scout Dropsuit, T2 Vicar Dropsuit -- Amarr Medium Dropsuit, T1 Evocator Dropsuit -- Amarr Assault Dropsuit, T2 Curator Dropsuit -- Amarr Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Elohim Dropsuit -- Amarr Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Sectarian Dropsuit -- Amarr Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Subjugator Dropsuit -- Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Garroter Dropsuit -- Amarr Commando Dropsuit, T2 It follows the Amarr naming conventions pretty well, unlike someone elses (I'm not pointing out names, here ). I like the Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit. I don't know why but it appeals to me. The Logi That Saves.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 116	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:34:00 - [19] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Gallente heavy commando 'Hecatonchires' Caldari scout 'Kamaitachi' Minmatar logistics 'Valkyrie' (may be used by a drone) Amarr assault 'Errant' The Hecatonchires is taken as a name by a loyal Amarr FW corporation. Sorry you're going to have to find another. Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake My motto regarding haters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
TheLord HighMarshal Hellbrecht THE HECATONCHIRES 2	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:40:00 - [20] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Gallente heavy commando 'Hecatonchires' Caldari scout 'Kamaitachi' Minmatar logistics 'Valkyrie' (may be used by a drone) Amarr assault 'Errant' We are the Hecatonchires

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1245	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:28:00 - [21] - Quote Ehh I just name most of my suits after gods even though Amarrians are polytheistic "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 13	Posted - 2013.12.09 05:04:00 - [22] - Quote Minmatar Medium: Rusty Can Minmatar Scout: Fast Rusty Can Minmatar Assault: Rusty Can w/ Duct Tape Minmatar Logi: Rusty Can that applies Duct Tape
Samael Artico Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2013.12.12 06:56:00 - [23] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Ehh I just name most of my suits after gods even though Amarrians are polytheistic Monotheistic, you ignoramus!
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 817	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:19:00 - [24] - Quote Faunher wrote: Minmatar Medium: Rusty Can Minmatar Scout: Fast Rusty Can Minmatar Assault: Rusty Can w/ Duct Tape Minmatar Logi: Rusty Can that applies Duct Tape It's not rust, the metal always looks like that. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2013.12.20 13:45:00 - [25] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: zibathy numbertwo wrote: I agree with this. They need names. But the classification-esque names help identify them, you know? I think it would have to have a name with the names we have currently in subtext below it in the market. Just for better understanding. EVE has widely varying ship classifications as well, and I've never had any real problems identifying ships. It helps that EVE lovingly showers you with identification material. Keep in mind, though, that all dropsuits are organized by classification in the market already, so a subtext might be a little unnecessary. Ulysses, I fully agree with your mindset. Nothing says "EVE" better than a "Name" that either comes from CCP designers' nickname for the shape of the ship, or comes from one of the racial industry brands right out of Eve lore. I even suspect that the devs agree with you too, and that's why up until the last patch they had Clarity Ward shield booster, and Jovian powerplant module, Carapace armor hardener, etc. I can understand and accept SOME of the things we slap on our suits as being just "generic enhanced coffee grinder", "basic graffiti spray can nozzle", "complex grip can opener". But balance that with just what you say: "a loving shower of identification material", whenever possible! It gives Dust the important "EVE flavor", without any real risk of damaging our gridiron "DUST mercilessness". It gives individual players like me the vanity I want, so I can say "my vehicle has 2 poly-plasma plates, protected by the coveted Tibus-Hess regenerator" And it makes sense as we merge more and more into interaction with EVE Online players, that we grab more of the naming-customs that EVE uses,... (not drift further away from them, like we just did with Patch 1.7). Cheers Ulysses!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1109	Posted - 2013.12.20 19:26:00 - [26] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Velites Dropsuit -- Gallente Light Dropsuit, T1 Proskopos Dropsuit -- Gallente Scout Dropsuit, T2 Legionnaire Dropsuit -- Gallente Medium Dropsuit, T1 Phalanx Dropsuit -- Gallente Assault Dropsuit, T2 Iatros Dropsuit -- Gallente Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Legatus Dropsuit -- Gallente Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Centurion Dropsuit -- Gallente Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Oplismos Dropsuit -- Gallente Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Pyrovolo Dropsuit - Gallente Commando Dropsuit, T2 I wasn't really buying the idea until you gave them Roman and Greek ancient military names. I run Gallente equipment, and I'd love to have all my suits have these names. I'd hate it if CCP gave these names to the Amarr. Tarn chose peace. Tallen chose war. Where is my Gallente sidearm? SoonGäó514
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 915	Posted - 2013.12.29 06:26:00 - [27] - Quote Cool names for the win? What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Delenne Arran Ivory Hounds 57	Posted - 2013.12.29 07:50:00 - [28] - Quote I don't feel particularly strongly about this one way or the other, but lean slightly towards "nah."As much as I love lore, it makes sense to me that the dropsuits don't each get individual names, in part because they're just body armor. It makes sense to say "get in your Gunnlogi," but not "put on your Cardinal." Besides that, the current naming scheme resists confusion since the suit's class, race of origin, and tech level are all there is to it. I'd much rather know at a glance if I'm shooting at a militia or prototype Caldari Assault suit than sit there trying to remember what the hell race and tech level a Jackdaw is. Of course, we could always take a page from the Aurum variants and meet halfway. Make it display as '"Jackdaw' Assault C/1-Series" or something.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 919	Posted - 2013.12.29 07:55:00 - [29] - Quote Delenne Arran wrote: Besides that, the current naming scheme resists confusion since the suit's class, race of origin, and tech level are all there is to it. I'd much rather know at a glance if I'm shooting at a militia or prototype Caldari Assault suit than sit there trying to remember what the hell race and tech level a Jackdaw is. To be honest, I think each dropsuit having their own individual names would be less confusing, as each dropsuit would be more memorable as a result of their naming. There would be a slightly higher learning curve, but better retention overall, especially if there are multiple variants per dropsuit class. Also, a decent icon is a good indicator. It can tell you tech level and faction at a glance. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 43	Posted - 2013.12.29 08:49:00 - [30] - Quote ok but ships actually get names. military suits dont. There are fighter jets out the with names like "warthog" and "harrier". they dont name kevlar vests (bulletproof vests) things like "Wildcat" or BDU's like "Thunderbolt"

Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 925	Posted - 2013.12.29 13:27:00 - [31] - Quote General12912 wrote: ok but ships actually get names. military suits dont. There are fighter jets out the with names like "warthog" and "harrier". they dont name kevlar vests (bulletproof vests) things like "Wildcat" or BDU's like "Thunderbolt" That's because bulletproof vests are pieces of equipment. Dropsuits are vessels. They completely surround you, enhancing you in every aspect. When you step into it, you effectively merge with it. You are no longer just a man, but a machine of incredible capability. The dropsuit is more like a personal combat vehicle than it is a piece of body armor. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 873	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:04:00 - [32] - Quote I think they should actually be named in a kind of synergy with EVE. Almost. MLT Gallente Medium Frame - Velator STD Gallente Assault Frame - Algos ADV Gallente Assault Frame - Dominix STD Amarr Light Frame - Executioner There. Literally all the ships I can name off the top of my head. I just woke up, shut up. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 873	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:11:00 - [33] - Quote Knapes, I'm pretty sure I make up 1/9th of your likes. :P ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 946	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:39:00 - [34] - Quote yeah, it would be cool if my scout had a name
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 930	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:59:00 - [35] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Knapes, I'm pretty sure I make up 1/9th of your likes. :P You would have to have given me 103 likes for that to be possible! I highly doubt that you've given me that many. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Delenne Arran Ivory Hounds 57	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:48:00 - [36] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: To be honest, I think each dropsuit having their own individual names would be less confusing, as each dropsuit would be more memorable as a result of their naming. There would be a slightly higher learning curve, but better retention overall, especially if there are multiple variants per dropsuit class. Also, a decent icon is a good indicator. It can tell you tech level and faction at a glance. I disagree. In the event we do get variants, they'd fit right into the current scheme simply by throwing in A/B/C or I/II/III, while trying to memorize each individual name is more difficult, since you have to learn the naming theme for each race, where there is one, then the theme for each of their armor classes, If I don't wear Amarr suits, I may gather that they tend to have religious names, but it's harder to remember "Cherub" comes before "Seraph" comes before "Metatron" than it is to remember Amarr Heavy A-1 comes before Amarr Heavy A/1 Series comes before Amarr Heavy Mk.0. As for an icon, I don't mean scrolling through the marketplace, I mean in the middle of combat at distances too great to get a good look at the suit. Quote: That's because bulletproof vests are pieces of equipment. Dropsuits are vessels. They completely surround you, enhancing you in every aspect. When you step into it, you effectively merge with it. You are no longer just a man, but a machine of incredible capability. The dropsuit is more like a personal combat vehicle than it is a piece of body armor. Well no. Dropsuits may be technologically advanced, but at the end of the day, they're body armor. Mass-produced, one-size fits all, disposable body armor.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 43	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:04:00 - [37] - Quote @knapse: but, in the future, how do you know small personalised vessels like our dropsuits wont b viewed as just 'another piece of equipment'?
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3025	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:40:00 - [38] - Quote I'am fairly certain that they only want to add names to Aurum and Officer gear. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2447	Posted - 2013.12.29 23:04:00 - [39] - Quote Amarr proto commando Avenger Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 878	Posted - 2013.12.29 23:17:00 - [40] - Quote fier get teh fuk out ov her tis is plaec 4 adlts mybe amar comndo ak0 shuld b calld loser bcuz thts wat u r ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition

Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 880	Posted - 2013.12.29 23:18:00 - [41] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Artificer Ghost wrote: Knapes, I'm pretty sure I make up 1/9th of your likes. :P You would have to have given me 103 likes for that to be possible! I highly doubt that you've given me that many. Nope. I haven't actually. I've given you 104!!! :D ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2448	Posted - 2013.12.29 23:20:00 - [42] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: fier get teh fuk out ov her tis is plaec 4 adlts mybe amar comndo ak0 shuld b calld loser bcuz thts wat u r Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 919	Posted - 2013.12.30 00:30:00 - [43] - Quote I too think that even while there is virtually unlimited amount of names, the pool of good descriptive/thematic names is shorter and it would become quite a task inventing more. And additional reason would be that it's even harder for junior players to get ahold of the multitude of suits without the descriptive names. So I don't feel it necessary - but if it happens I'll welcome the full naming anyways. Tank spam getting onto your nerves? An improvement:
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 348	Posted - 2013.12.30 01:29:00 - [44] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I agree. They need names on all of them. I agree with this man's agreement! and i yours "May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 348	Posted - 2013.12.30 01:31:00 - [45] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: I too think that even while there is virtually unlimited amount of names, the pool of good descriptive/thematic names is shorter and it would become quite a task inventing more. And additional reason would be that it's even harder for junior players to get ahold of the multitude of suits without the descriptive names. So I don't feel it necessary - but if it happens I'll welcome the full naming anyways. if they can be thought of for they can be made for this "May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 935	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:17:00 - [46] - Quote General12912 wrote: @knapse: but, in the future, how do you know small personalised vessels like our dropsuits wont b viewed as just 'another piece of equipment'? They are pieces of equipment, but they aren't just pieces of equipment. Long ago, in a mythological place called "Earth", some civilizations believed that wearing certain things would transform you into something you weren't originally, and sometimes highly revered them as divine vessels. Dropsuits, well, they actually do that. I don't think it's too farfetched to consider dropsuits to be vessels rather than pieces of equipment. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 886	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:40:00 - [47] - Quote The definition of vessel IS one that carries or holds something. Technically, my underwear is a vessel! Just kidding, we all know there's nothin' down there. :( Either way, they are, by definition, vessels. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 935	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:42:00 - [48] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: The definition of vessel IS one that carries or holds something. Technically, my underwear is a vessel! Just kidding, we all know there's nothin' down there. :( Either way, they are, by definition, vessels. Hear that? iWin, General12912. Also, some pieces of equipment are also named. Just look at claymores. The explosives, not the swords. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Delenne Arran Ivory Hounds 58	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:51:00 - [49] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: They are pieces of equipment, but they aren't just pieces of equipment. Long ago, in a mythological place called "Earth", some civilizations believed that wearing certain things would transform you into something you weren't originally, and sometimes highly revered them as divine vessels. Dropsuits, well, they actually do that. I don't think it's too farfetched to consider dropsuits to be vessels rather than pieces of equipment. I understand your reasoning, but I disagree with it. I'll even grant that the dropsuits give our clones what could be considered superhuman abilities, although the extent to which I'd consider it superhuman in New Eden is up for grabs. But, for an immortal clone soldier, superhuman is the baseline. Our dropsuits aren't something we put on to be better, it's something we put on to be normal. They're no more divine vessels than our guns are divine weapons. Amarr notwithstanding.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 886	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:54:00 - [50] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Hear that? iWin, General12912. Also, some pieces of equipment are also named. Just look at claymores. The explosives, not the swords. I don't get a like for helping out? People these days! ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition

Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 938	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:18:00 - [51] - Quote Delenne Arran wrote: Only by the loosest, most colloquial definition of vessel. Dropsuits are no more vessels than wearing glasses makes someone a cyborg. You could maybe almost halfway argue it, but most would disagree with you. To be a cyborg, the mechanical enhancements have to be built-in... Also, according to the Dust 514 dev blogs, the Amarr in particular view dropsuits to be holy vessels. Additionally, that's not a loose definition. I'm not sure where you got that idea. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1919	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:18:00 - [52] - Quote Interesting idea. Just keep in mind that dropsuits are much more disposable than ships, so each of the different designations carries much less gravitas than for ships. I would like to see more variations of the basic suits with those different names. for example you'd have the Praetorian suit that would be the normal assault, but then you'd have the Athran Guard amarr assault suit which would be a different variant - something along the lines of having fewer high slots in exchange for more low slots. That way you could tell at a glance that the Athran Guard AK.0 would be a prototype suit with 4 low slots and 2 high so you can try to do the math on what you're up against. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 938	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:23:00 - [53] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: IJust keep in mind that dropsuits are much more disposable than ships, so each of the different designations carries much less gravitas than for ships. Drones are also much more disposable. I don't see how dropsuits deserve names any less than drones. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 938	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:26:00 - [54] - Quote Delenne Arran wrote: I understand your reasoning, but I disagree with it. I'll even grant that the dropsuits give our clones what could be considered superhuman abilities, although the extent to which I'd consider it superhuman in New Eden is up for grabs. But, for an immortal clone soldier, superhuman is the baseline. Our dropsuits aren't something we put on to be better, it's something we put on to be normal. They're no more divine vessels than our guns are divine weapons. Amarr notwithstanding. Vehicles get names. They're not more vessel-like than dropsuits. Drones get names. They're not vessels at all. Could you please explain to me why dropsuits aren't named when almost every other mobile entity is? What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 9	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:32:00 - [55] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Alright, just to get the creative juices flowing, I've created a complete list of dropsuit names. Give me ideas for improvement if you want. I won't be making names for separate tiers, however, because I hate the current tier system. I would prefer to see EVE's Tech Level system instead. - - - GALLENTE DROPSUIT NAMES: Velites Dropsuit -- Gallente Light Dropsuit, T1 Proskopos Dropsuit -- Gallente Scout Dropsuit, T2 Legionnaire Dropsuit -- Gallente Medium Dropsuit, T1 Phalanx Dropsuit -- Gallente Assault Dropsuit, T2 Iatros Dropsuit -- Gallente Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Legatus Dropsuit -- Gallente Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Centurion Dropsuit -- Gallente Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Oplismos Dropsuit -- Gallente Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Pyrovolo Dropsuit - Gallente Commando Dropsuit, T2 Theos Dropsuit - Gallente Strategic Dropsuit, T3 - - - AMARR DROPSUIT NAMES: Herald Dropsuit -- Amarr Light Dropsuit, T1 Augur Dropsuit -- Amarr Scout Dropsuit, T2 Vicar Dropsuit -- Amarr Medium Dropsuit, T1 Evocator Dropsuit -- Amarr Assault Dropsuit, T2 Curator Dropsuit -- Amarr Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Elohim Dropsuit -- Amarr Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Sectarian Dropsuit -- Amarr Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Subjugator Dropsuit -- Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Garroter Dropsuit -- Amarr Commando Dropsuit, T2 Seraphim Dropsuit -- Amarr Strategic Dropsuit, T3 - - - CALDARI DROPSUIT NAMES: Wren Dropsuit -- Caldari Light Dropsuit, T1 Darter Dropsuit -- Caldari Scout Dropsuit, T2 Kite Dropsuit -- Caldari Medium Dropsuit, T1 Jackdaw Dropsuit -- Caldari Assault Dropsuit, T2 Sparrow Dropsuit -- Caldari Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Cardinal Dropsuit -- Caldari Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Harrier Dropsuit -- Caldari Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Adzebill Dropsuit -- Caldari Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Shrike Dropsuit -- Caldari Commando Dropsuit, T2 Nightingale Dropsuit -- Caldari Strategic Dropsuit, T3 - - - MINMATAR DROPSUIT NAMES: Fray Dropsuit -- Minmatar Light Dropsuit, T1 Surge Dropsuit -- Minmatar Scout Dropsuit, T2 Rive Dropsuit -- Minmatar Medium Dropsuit, T1 Sunder Dropsuit -- Minmatar Assault Dropsuit, T2 Baste Dropsuit -- Minmatar Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Skoll Dropsuit -- Minmatar Crusader Dropsuit, T2 Cudgel Dropsuit -- Minmatar Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Bludgeon Dropsuit -- Minmatar Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Fracture Dropsuit -- Minmatar Commando Dropsuit, T2 Vali Dropsuit -- Minmatar Strategic Dropsuit, T3 Now this deserves a second look! Amazing idea!
Delenne Arran Ivory Hounds 58	Posted - 2013.12.30 05:00:00 - [56] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: To be a cyborg, the mechanical enhancements have to be built-in... I'm in agreement with you here. Occassionally however, in a discussion about cyborgs, someone will assert that 'glasses count because they're an outside device used to improve upon a base human's abilities,' and everyone'll spend half an hour explaining why no, that doesn't technically count. Quote: Also, according to the Dust 514 dev blogs, the Amarr in particular view dropsuits to be holy vessels. I thought I left in a note specifically acknowledging and exempting the Amarr, but it appears I editited it out while I was working on that post. It would've been something to the effect of "Amarr notwithstanding, as they consider basically everything we use or they produce divine equipment." Quote: Additionally, that's not a loose definition. I'm not sure where you got that idea. "Loose" probably wasn't the best word for what I meant. It's not the definition most would agree on. Vessels generally refer to either aircraft, seafaring vehicles, or yes, containers. When referring to containers, however, generally it's meant as a container for a liquid, A vessel (as a container and not a vehicle) can contain solids, but that's not usually how the word is used. Quote: Vehicles get names. They're not more vessel-like than dropsuits. Drones get names. They're not vessels at all. Vehicles are much more vessel-like than dropsuits-- Hell, the first two definitions of the word explicitly refer to aircraft and seacraft. HAVs get names because modern-day tanks get them too. LAVs get names because cars have makes and models. Drones get names, I suspect, because they're autonomous machinery. They're more like modern-day satellites or, well, drones. Quote: Could you please explain to me why dropsuits aren't named when almost every other mobile entity is? In reference only to this specific question-- because dropsuits, on their own, aren't mobile.They're (highly advanced and heavily armored) clothing. Military garb.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 939	Posted - 2013.12.30 05:07:00 - [57] - Quote I still think dropsuits should get names, simply because they are analogous to other items in New Eden that do get names. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.


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