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Ulysses Knapse
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Posted - 2013.11.23 10:33:00 -
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Have you ever wondered why dropsuits don't get names? I know I have. In EVE, even combat drones get their own names, like "Hobgoblin" or "Vespa", "Ogre" or "Wasp". In Dust 514, dropsuits don't get their own names. They get classifications only. Oh boy.
"The Minmatar Supercarrier: Hel"
"The Gallente Medium Combat Drone: Hammerhead"
"The Caldari HAV: Sica"
"The Gallente Assault Dropsuit: Gallente Assault Dropsuit"
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Yeah. How boring.
Example Guy wrote:But Ulysses, we would run out of names if we named the dropsuits, too!"
Oh really? I highly doubt it. In fact, I already came up with possible (example) names for the Gallente Dropsuits.
Velites Dropsuit -- Gallente Light Dropsuit, T1
Proskopos Dropsuit -- Gallente Scout Dropsuit, T2
Legionnaire Dropsuit -- Gallente Medium Dropsuit, T1
Phalanx Dropsuit -- Gallente Assault Dropsuit, T2
Iatros Dropsuit -- Gallente Logistics Dropsuit, T2
Legatus Dropsuit -- Gallente Crusader Dropsuit, T2
Centurion Dropsuit -- Gallente Heavy Dropsuit, T1
Oplismos Dropsuit -- Gallente Sentinel Dropsuit, T2
Pyrovolo Dropsuit - Gallente Commando Dropsuit, T2
These are obviously just example names, but I'm sort of fond of them. Point is, there are more than enough possible names. There were enough names available that I, a person that is certainly not easy to please, was able to come up with a list I felt relatively satisfied with. I was not pressed for choice here. I also came up with a list for the Minmatar and Amarr dropsuit names, but I decided that posting such here would be getting ahead of myself (I also didn't think they were as good. Acceptable, yes, but not as much).
Furthermore, from a functional standpoint, if we ever get multiple dropsuits of the same specification and faction, names will make it much easier to distinguish them. I can't really make an example in Dust, because we don't have any variants yet. To all you capsuleers out there, though, can you imagine if the Drake, Ferox and Naga were named "Caldari Battlecruiser Type-A", "Caldari Battlecruiser Type-B" and "Caldari Battlecruiser Type-C"? Would be awful, right?
So, can I haz dropsuit names?
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
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Posted - 2013.11.23 13:51:00 -
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zibathy numbertwo wrote:I agree with this. They need names. But the classification-esque names help identify them, you know? I think it would have to have a name with the names we have currently in subtext below it in the market. Just for better understanding.
EVE has widely varying ship classifications as well, and I've never had any real problems identifying ships. It helps that EVE lovingly showers you with identification material. Keep in mind, though, that all dropsuits are organized by classification in the market already, so a subtext might be a little unnecessary.
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:20:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:WHOA WHOA WHOA, some of us weren't in dust since 1.5 years ago.
Your point being?
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
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Posted - 2013.11.24 05:23:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:this is a great idea, but the Minmatar Heavy should be named Achilles, it can only be destroyed if you hit it with 100 damage to it's heel.
The name fits with the Gallente better, as the masters of Greek names.
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
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Posted - 2013.11.24 05:29:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:You copied some ship names, so those can't be used, also I will suggest a few changes Fizzer94 wrote:+1
~REVISED~~REVISED~
AMARR
Amarr Assault
STD: Errant (credit of MINA Longstrike)
ADV: Knight
PRO: Templar
Amarr Logistics
STD: Keeper
ADV: Beholder
PRO: Reclaimer
Amarr Scout
STD: Initiate
ADV: Chosen
PRO: Exile
Amarr Sentinel
STD: Monaster
ADV:
PRO:
CALDARI
Caldari Assault
STD:
ADV:
PRO:
Caldari Logistics
STD: Egret
ADV:
PRO:
Caldari Scout
STD: Nightingale
ADV:
PRO: Harrier (it means harasser as well so that is more scout)
Caldari Sentinel
STD: Vulture
ADV:
PRO:
You forgot to remove Vulture.
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
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Posted - 2013.11.24 05:31:00 -
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Here are my Amarr names I came up with earlier. I might as well show them if everyone else is going to show theirs.
Herald Dropsuit -- Amarr Light Dropsuit, T1
Augur Dropsuit -- Amarr Scout Dropsuit, T2
Vicar Dropsuit -- Amarr Medium Dropsuit, T1
Evocator Dropsuit -- Amarr Assault Dropsuit, T2
Curator Dropsuit -- Amarr Logistics Dropsuit, T2
Elohim Dropsuit -- Amarr Crusader Dropsuit, T2
Sectarian Dropsuit -- Amarr Heavy Dropsuit, T1
Subjugator Dropsuit -- Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit, T2
Garroter Dropsuit -- Amarr Commando Dropsuit, T2
It follows the Amarr naming conventions pretty well, unlike someone elses (I'm not pointing out names, here  ).
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:00:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Why don't you like my names?
Some of them are kind of boring, or stereotypical. Like Knight, Chosen, Keeper, or Templar.
They also don't sound right when you put them next to some other Amarr vessel names.
Fizzer94 wrote:I don't think the Amarr would name anything after the Elohim. That's almost heretical.
Funny you should mention that...
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:23:00 -
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Alright, just to get the creative juices flowing, I've created a complete list of dropsuit names.
Give me ideas for improvement if you want. I won't be making names for separate tiers, however, because I hate the current tier system. I would prefer to see EVE's Tech Level system instead.
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GALLENTE DROPSUIT NAMES:
Velites Dropsuit -- Gallente Light Dropsuit, T1
Proskopos Dropsuit -- Gallente Scout Dropsuit, T2
Legionnaire Dropsuit -- Gallente Medium Dropsuit, T1
Phalanx Dropsuit -- Gallente Assault Dropsuit, T2
Iatros Dropsuit -- Gallente Logistics Dropsuit, T2
Legatus Dropsuit -- Gallente Crusader Dropsuit, T2
Centurion Dropsuit -- Gallente Heavy Dropsuit, T1
Oplismos Dropsuit -- Gallente Sentinel Dropsuit, T2
Pyrovolo Dropsuit - Gallente Commando Dropsuit, T2
Theos Dropsuit - Gallente Strategic Dropsuit, T3
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AMARR DROPSUIT NAMES:
Herald Dropsuit -- Amarr Light Dropsuit, T1
Augur Dropsuit -- Amarr Scout Dropsuit, T2
Vicar Dropsuit -- Amarr Medium Dropsuit, T1
Evocator Dropsuit -- Amarr Assault Dropsuit, T2
Curator Dropsuit -- Amarr Logistics Dropsuit, T2
Elohim Dropsuit -- Amarr Crusader Dropsuit, T2
Sectarian Dropsuit -- Amarr Heavy Dropsuit, T1
Subjugator Dropsuit -- Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit, T2
Garroter Dropsuit -- Amarr Commando Dropsuit, T2
Seraphim Dropsuit -- Amarr Strategic Dropsuit, T3
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CALDARI DROPSUIT NAMES:
Wren Dropsuit -- Caldari Light Dropsuit, T1
Darter Dropsuit -- Caldari Scout Dropsuit, T2
Kite Dropsuit -- Caldari Medium Dropsuit, T1
Jackdaw Dropsuit -- Caldari Assault Dropsuit, T2
Sparrow Dropsuit -- Caldari Logistics Dropsuit, T2
Cardinal Dropsuit -- Caldari Crusader Dropsuit, T2
Harrier Dropsuit -- Caldari Heavy Dropsuit, T1
Adzebill Dropsuit -- Caldari Sentinel Dropsuit, T2
Shrike Dropsuit -- Caldari Commando Dropsuit, T2
Nightingale Dropsuit -- Caldari Strategic Dropsuit, T3
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MINMATAR DROPSUIT NAMES:
Fray Dropsuit -- Minmatar Light Dropsuit, T1
Surge Dropsuit -- Minmatar Scout Dropsuit, T2
Rive Dropsuit -- Minmatar Medium Dropsuit, T1
Sunder Dropsuit -- Minmatar Assault Dropsuit, T2
Baste Dropsuit -- Minmatar Logistics Dropsuit, T2
Skoll Dropsuit -- Minmatar Crusader Dropsuit, T2
Cudgel Dropsuit -- Minmatar Heavy Dropsuit, T1
Bludgeon Dropsuit -- Minmatar Sentinel Dropsuit, T2
Fracture Dropsuit -- Minmatar Commando Dropsuit, T2
Vali Dropsuit -- Minmatar Strategic Dropsuit, T3
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:39:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I agree. They need names on all of them.
I agree with this man's agreement!
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.20 05:19:00 -
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Faunher wrote:Minmatar Medium: Rusty Can
Minmatar Scout: Fast Rusty Can
Minmatar Assault: Rusty Can w/ Duct Tape
Minmatar Logi: Rusty Can that applies Duct Tape
It's not rust, the metal always looks like that. 
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage looks nicer.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.29 06:26:00 -
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Cool names for the win?
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.29 07:55:00 -
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Delenne Arran wrote:Besides that, the current naming scheme resists confusion since the suit's class, race of origin, and tech level are all there is to it. I'd much rather know at a glance if I'm shooting at a militia or prototype Caldari Assault suit than sit there trying to remember what the hell race and tech level a Jackdaw is.
To be honest, I think each dropsuit having their own individual names would be less confusing, as each dropsuit would be more memorable as a result of their naming. There would be a slightly higher learning curve, but better retention overall, especially if there are multiple variants per dropsuit class. Also, a decent icon is a good indicator. It can tell you tech level and faction at a glance.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.29 13:27:00 -
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General12912 wrote:ok but ships actually get names. military suits dont. There are fighter jets out the with names like "warthog" and "harrier". they dont name kevlar vests (bulletproof vests) things like "Wildcat" or BDU's like "Thunderbolt"
That's because bulletproof vests are pieces of equipment. Dropsuits are vessels. They completely surround you, enhancing you in every aspect. When you step into it, you effectively merge with it. You are no longer just a man, but a machine of incredible capability. The dropsuit is more like a personal combat vehicle than it is a piece of body armor.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.29 14:59:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:Knapes, I'm pretty sure I make up 1/9th of your likes. :P
You would have to have given me 103 likes for that to be possible!
I highly doubt that you've given me that many.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:17:00 -
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General12912 wrote:@knapse: but, in the future, how do you know small personalised vessels like our dropsuits wont b viewed as just 'another piece of equipment'?
They are pieces of equipment, but they aren't just pieces of equipment. Long ago, in a mythological place called "Earth", some civilizations believed that wearing certain things would transform you into something you weren't originally, and sometimes highly revered them as divine vessels. Dropsuits, well, they actually do that. I don't think it's too farfetched to consider dropsuits to be vessels rather than pieces of equipment.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:42:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:The definition of vessel IS one that carries or holds something. Technically, my underwear is a vessel! Just kidding, we all know there's nothin' down there. :(
Either way, they are, by definition, vessels.
Hear that? iWin, General12912.
Also, some pieces of equipment are also named. Just look at claymores. The explosives, not the swords.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:18:00 -
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Delenne Arran wrote:Only by the loosest, most colloquial definition of vessel. Dropsuits are no more vessels than wearing glasses makes someone a cyborg. You could maybe almost halfway argue it, but most would disagree with you.
To be a cyborg, the mechanical enhancements have to be built-in...
Also, according to the Dust 514 dev blogs, the Amarr in particular view dropsuits to be holy vessels.
Additionally, that's not a loose definition. I'm not sure where you got that idea.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:23:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:IJust keep in mind that dropsuits are much more disposable than ships, so each of the different designations carries much less gravitas than for ships.
Drones are also much more disposable. I don't see how dropsuits deserve names any less than drones.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:26:00 -
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Delenne Arran wrote:I understand your reasoning, but I disagree with it. I'll even grant that the dropsuits give our clones what could be considered superhuman abilities, although the extent to which I'd consider it superhuman in New Eden is up for grabs. But, for an immortal clone soldier, superhuman is the baseline. Our dropsuits aren't something we put on to be better, it's something we put on to be normal. They're no more divine vessels than our guns are divine weapons. Amarr notwithstanding.
Vehicles get names. They're not more vessel-like than dropsuits. Drones get names. They're not vessels at all.
Could you please explain to me why dropsuits aren't named when almost every other mobile entity is?
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.30 05:07:00 -
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I still think dropsuits should get names, simply because they are analogous to other items in New Eden that do get names.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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