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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.29 13:27:00 -
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General12912 wrote:ok but ships actually get names. military suits dont. There are fighter jets out the with names like "warthog" and "harrier". they dont name kevlar vests (bulletproof vests) things like "Wildcat" or BDU's like "Thunderbolt" That's because bulletproof vests are pieces of equipment. Dropsuits are vessels. They completely surround you, enhancing you in every aspect. When you step into it, you effectively merge with it. You are no longer just a man, but a machine of incredible capability. The dropsuit is more like a personal combat vehicle than it is a piece of body armor.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
873
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Posted - 2013.12.29 14:04:00 -
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I think they should actually be named in a kind of synergy with EVE. Almost.
MLT Gallente Medium Frame - Velator STD Gallente Assault Frame - Algos ADV Gallente Assault Frame - Dominix STD Amarr Light Frame - Executioner
There. Literally all the ships I can name off the top of my head. I just woke up, shut up.
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
873
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Posted - 2013.12.29 14:11:00 -
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Knapes, I'm pretty sure I make up 1/9th of your likes. :P
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention
946
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Posted - 2013.12.29 14:39:00 -
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yeah, it would be cool if my scout had a name
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
930
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Posted - 2013.12.29 14:59:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:Knapes, I'm pretty sure I make up 1/9th of your likes. :P You would have to have given me 103 likes for that to be possible!
I highly doubt that you've given me that many.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Delenne Arran
Ivory Hounds
57
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:48:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:To be honest, I think each dropsuit having their own individual names would be less confusing, as each dropsuit would be more memorable as a result of their naming. There would be a slightly higher learning curve, but better retention overall, especially if there are multiple variants per dropsuit class. Also, a decent icon is a good indicator. It can tell you tech level and faction at a glance.
I disagree. In the event we do get variants, they'd fit right into the current scheme simply by throwing in A/B/C or I/II/III, while trying to memorize each individual name is more difficult, since you have to learn the naming theme for each race, where there is one, then the theme for each of their armor classes, If I don't wear Amarr suits, I may gather that they tend to have religious names, but it's harder to remember "Cherub" comes before "Seraph" comes before "Metatron" than it is to remember Amarr Heavy A-1 comes before Amarr Heavy A/1 Series comes before Amarr Heavy Mk.0.
As for an icon, I don't mean scrolling through the marketplace, I mean in the middle of combat at distances too great to get a good look at the suit.
Quote: That's because bulletproof vests are pieces of equipment. Dropsuits are vessels. They completely surround you, enhancing you in every aspect. When you step into it, you effectively merge with it. You are no longer just a man, but a machine of incredible capability. The dropsuit is more like a personal combat vehicle than it is a piece of body armor.
Well no. Dropsuits may be technologically advanced, but at the end of the day, they're body armor. Mass-produced, one-size fits all, disposable body armor.
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
43
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Posted - 2013.12.29 18:04:00 -
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@knapse: but, in the future, how do you know small personalised vessels like our dropsuits wont b viewed as just 'another piece of equipment'? |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3025
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Posted - 2013.12.29 21:40:00 -
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I'am fairly certain that they only want to add names to Aurum and Officer gear.
My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity
And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
2447
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:04:00 -
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Amarr proto commando
Avenger
Proud member of the Commndo 6
<3 Commando AK.0
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
878
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:17:00 -
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fier get teh fuk out ov her tis is plaec 4 adlts mybe amar comndo ak0 shuld b calld loser bcuz thts wat u r
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
880
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:18:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Artificer Ghost wrote:Knapes, I'm pretty sure I make up 1/9th of your likes. :P You would have to have given me 103 likes for that to be possible! I highly doubt that you've given me that many.
Nope. I haven't actually. I've given you 104!!! :D
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
2448
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:20:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:fier get teh fuk out ov her tis is plaec 4 adlts mybe amar comndo ak0 shuld b calld loser bcuz thts wat u r
Proud member of the Commndo 6
<3 Commando AK.0
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
919
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:30:00 -
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I too think that even while there is virtually unlimited amount of names, the pool of good descriptive/thematic names is shorter and it would become quite a task inventing more.
And additional reason would be that it's even harder for junior players to get ahold of the multitude of suits without the descriptive names.
So I don't feel it necessary - but if it happens I'll welcome the full naming anyways.
Tank spam getting onto your nerves?
An improvement:
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
348
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:29:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I agree. They need names on all of them. I agree with this man's agreement! and i yours
"May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
348
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:31:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:I too think that even while there is virtually unlimited amount of names, the pool of good descriptive/thematic names is shorter and it would become quite a task inventing more.
And additional reason would be that it's even harder for junior players to get ahold of the multitude of suits without the descriptive names.
So I don't feel it necessary - but if it happens I'll welcome the full naming anyways. if they can be thought of for they can be made for this
"May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
935
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:17:00 -
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General12912 wrote:@knapse: but, in the future, how do you know small personalised vessels like our dropsuits wont b viewed as just 'another piece of equipment'? They are pieces of equipment, but they aren't just pieces of equipment. Long ago, in a mythological place called "Earth", some civilizations believed that wearing certain things would transform you into something you weren't originally, and sometimes highly revered them as divine vessels. Dropsuits, well, they actually do that. I don't think it's too farfetched to consider dropsuits to be vessels rather than pieces of equipment.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
886
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:40:00 -
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The definition of vessel IS one that carries or holds something. Technically, my underwear is a vessel! Just kidding, we all know there's nothin' down there. :(
Either way, they are, by definition, vessels.
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
935
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:42:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:The definition of vessel IS one that carries or holds something. Technically, my underwear is a vessel! Just kidding, we all know there's nothin' down there. :(
Either way, they are, by definition, vessels. Hear that? iWin, General12912.
Also, some pieces of equipment are also named. Just look at claymores. The explosives, not the swords.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Delenne Arran
Ivory Hounds
58
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:51:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote: They are pieces of equipment, but they aren't just pieces of equipment. Long ago, in a mythological place called "Earth", some civilizations believed that wearing certain things would transform you into something you weren't originally, and sometimes highly revered them as divine vessels. Dropsuits, well, they actually do that. I don't think it's too farfetched to consider dropsuits to be vessels rather than pieces of equipment.
I understand your reasoning, but I disagree with it. I'll even grant that the dropsuits give our clones what could be considered superhuman abilities, although the extent to which I'd consider it superhuman in New Eden is up for grabs. But, for an immortal clone soldier, superhuman is the baseline. Our dropsuits aren't something we put on to be better, it's something we put on to be normal. They're no more divine vessels than our guns are divine weapons. Amarr notwithstanding. |
Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
886
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:54:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Hear that? iWin, General12912.
Also, some pieces of equipment are also named. Just look at claymores. The explosives, not the swords.
I don't get a like for helping out? People these days!
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
938
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:18:00 -
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Delenne Arran wrote:Only by the loosest, most colloquial definition of vessel. Dropsuits are no more vessels than wearing glasses makes someone a cyborg. You could maybe almost halfway argue it, but most would disagree with you. To be a cyborg, the mechanical enhancements have to be built-in...
Also, according to the Dust 514 dev blogs, the Amarr in particular view dropsuits to be holy vessels.
Additionally, that's not a loose definition. I'm not sure where you got that idea.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1919
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:18:00 -
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Interesting idea.
Just keep in mind that dropsuits are much more disposable than ships, so each of the different designations carries much less gravitas than for ships.
I would like to see more variations of the basic suits with those different names.
for example you'd have the Praetorian suit that would be the normal assault, but then you'd have the Athran Guard amarr assault suit which would be a different variant - something along the lines of having fewer high slots in exchange for more low slots.
That way you could tell at a glance that the Athran Guard AK.0 would be a prototype suit with 4 low slots and 2 high so you can try to do the math on what you're up against.
Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
938
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:23:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:IJust keep in mind that dropsuits are much more disposable than ships, so each of the different designations carries much less gravitas than for ships. Drones are also much more disposable. I don't see how dropsuits deserve names any less than drones.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
938
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:26:00 -
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Delenne Arran wrote:I understand your reasoning, but I disagree with it. I'll even grant that the dropsuits give our clones what could be considered superhuman abilities, although the extent to which I'd consider it superhuman in New Eden is up for grabs. But, for an immortal clone soldier, superhuman is the baseline. Our dropsuits aren't something we put on to be better, it's something we put on to be normal. They're no more divine vessels than our guns are divine weapons. Amarr notwithstanding. Vehicles get names. They're not more vessel-like than dropsuits. Drones get names. They're not vessels at all.
Could you please explain to me why dropsuits aren't named when almost every other mobile entity is?
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
9
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:32:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Alright, just to get the creative juices flowing, I've created a complete list of dropsuit names.
Give me ideas for improvement if you want. I won't be making names for separate tiers, however, because I hate the current tier system. I would prefer to see EVE's Tech Level system instead.
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GALLENTE DROPSUIT NAMES:
Velites Dropsuit -- Gallente Light Dropsuit, T1 Proskopos Dropsuit -- Gallente Scout Dropsuit, T2
Legionnaire Dropsuit -- Gallente Medium Dropsuit, T1 Phalanx Dropsuit -- Gallente Assault Dropsuit, T2 Iatros Dropsuit -- Gallente Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Legatus Dropsuit -- Gallente Crusader Dropsuit, T2
Centurion Dropsuit -- Gallente Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Oplismos Dropsuit -- Gallente Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Pyrovolo Dropsuit - Gallente Commando Dropsuit, T2
Theos Dropsuit - Gallente Strategic Dropsuit, T3
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AMARR DROPSUIT NAMES:
Herald Dropsuit -- Amarr Light Dropsuit, T1 Augur Dropsuit -- Amarr Scout Dropsuit, T2
Vicar Dropsuit -- Amarr Medium Dropsuit, T1 Evocator Dropsuit -- Amarr Assault Dropsuit, T2 Curator Dropsuit -- Amarr Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Elohim Dropsuit -- Amarr Crusader Dropsuit, T2
Sectarian Dropsuit -- Amarr Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Subjugator Dropsuit -- Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Garroter Dropsuit -- Amarr Commando Dropsuit, T2
Seraphim Dropsuit -- Amarr Strategic Dropsuit, T3
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CALDARI DROPSUIT NAMES:
Wren Dropsuit -- Caldari Light Dropsuit, T1 Darter Dropsuit -- Caldari Scout Dropsuit, T2
Kite Dropsuit -- Caldari Medium Dropsuit, T1 Jackdaw Dropsuit -- Caldari Assault Dropsuit, T2 Sparrow Dropsuit -- Caldari Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Cardinal Dropsuit -- Caldari Crusader Dropsuit, T2
Harrier Dropsuit -- Caldari Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Adzebill Dropsuit -- Caldari Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Shrike Dropsuit -- Caldari Commando Dropsuit, T2
Nightingale Dropsuit -- Caldari Strategic Dropsuit, T3
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MINMATAR DROPSUIT NAMES:
Fray Dropsuit -- Minmatar Light Dropsuit, T1 Surge Dropsuit -- Minmatar Scout Dropsuit, T2
Rive Dropsuit -- Minmatar Medium Dropsuit, T1 Sunder Dropsuit -- Minmatar Assault Dropsuit, T2 Baste Dropsuit -- Minmatar Logistics Dropsuit, T2 Skoll Dropsuit -- Minmatar Crusader Dropsuit, T2
Cudgel Dropsuit -- Minmatar Heavy Dropsuit, T1 Bludgeon Dropsuit -- Minmatar Sentinel Dropsuit, T2 Fracture Dropsuit -- Minmatar Commando Dropsuit, T2
Vali Dropsuit -- Minmatar Strategic Dropsuit, T3 Now this deserves a second look! Amazing idea!
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Delenne Arran
Ivory Hounds
58
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Posted - 2013.12.30 05:00:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote: To be a cyborg, the mechanical enhancements have to be built-in...
I'm in agreement with you here. Occassionally however, in a discussion about cyborgs, someone will assert that 'glasses count because they're an outside device used to improve upon a base human's abilities,' and everyone'll spend half an hour explaining why no, that doesn't technically count.
Quote:Also, according to the Dust 514 dev blogs, the Amarr in particular view dropsuits to be holy vessels.
I thought I left in a note specifically acknowledging and exempting the Amarr, but it appears I editited it out while I was working on that post. It would've been something to the effect of "Amarr notwithstanding, as they consider basically everything we use or they produce divine equipment."
Quote:Additionally, that's not a loose definition. I'm not sure where you got that idea.
"Loose" probably wasn't the best word for what I meant. It's not the definition most would agree on. Vessels generally refer to either aircraft, seafaring vehicles, or yes, containers. When referring to containers, however, generally it's meant as a container for a liquid, A vessel (as a container and not a vehicle) can contain solids, but that's not usually how the word is used.
Quote: Vehicles get names. They're not more vessel-like than dropsuits. Drones get names. They're not vessels at all.
Vehicles are much more vessel-like than dropsuits-- Hell, the first two definitions of the word explicitly refer to aircraft and seacraft. HAVs get names because modern-day tanks get them too. LAVs get names because cars have makes and models. Drones get names, I suspect, because they're autonomous machinery. They're more like modern-day satellites or, well, drones.
Quote:Could you please explain to me why dropsuits aren't named when almost every other mobile entity is?
In reference only to this specific question-- because dropsuits, on their own, aren't mobile.They're (highly advanced and heavily armored) clothing. Military garb. |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
939
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Posted - 2013.12.30 05:07:00 -
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I still think dropsuits should get names, simply because they are analogous to other items in New Eden that do get names.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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