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xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 3	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:30:00 - [1] - Quote the community seems seriously outraged by the bpo theft and respec debacle. now that we all know ccp are dishonest and have no plan to fix this broken game. and the only people defending them are ccp alts, can dust survive? please discuss. no need to be civil if your passion overwhelms you. I will understand.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 221	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:32:00 - [2] - Quote No its not dying , its alive and kicking.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 1145	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:33:00 - [3] - Quote I laughed after i read your first sentence... Check the Sig :P For the Empire Dual tanking is a sin BPO'S are bad for economy, Respec's are bad for the game. Want to fight about it?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 670	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:33:00 - [4] - Quote idgaf about the BPO stuff. i dont even use bpos most of the time. i'm more outraged at no full respec. make it happen please CCP let the flames begin. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
The legend345 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4247	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:33:00 - [5] - Quote No its dead Tanker
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 804	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:36:00 - [6] - Quote The legend345 wrote: No its dead best response
Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1688	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:41:00 - [7] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: the community seems seriously outraged by the bpo theft and respec debacle. now that we all know ccp are dishonest and have no plan to fix this broken game. and the only people defending them are ccp alts, can dust survive? please discuss. no need to be civil if your passion overwhelms you. I will understand. Ccp should sell aur bpo proto pacifiers. Would make a killing. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 5	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:42:00 - [8] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: the community seems seriously outraged by the bpo theft and respec debacle. now that we all know ccp are dishonest and have no plan to fix this broken game. and the only people defending them are ccp alts, can dust survive? please discuss. no need to be civil if your passion overwhelms you. I will understand. Ccp should sell aur bpo proto pacifiers. Would make a killing. I wouldn't buy one for fear they would eventualy remove it
DR FEB The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 57	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:42:00 - [9] - Quote Dust is a wonderful game. it is my favorite. i seriously dont see the problem at all. I spec into everything.if i specced wrong i grind and wait for another choice not ask for a stupid respec. i dont complain that guns are bad,the guns are fine,you just need to feel it,love it,and train with it to be good.sure they ned fixing here and there but don't cry about it if they are OP or under powered.deal with it. if bpos are taken away ,fine,as long as i get my money back.even if i don't, who cares? the only people that complain are those who hate the game and want it to die i truly believe that this game can thrive. i is truly the best game tp play thank you CCP, DR FEB I am giving out 35 million isk to the first who finds me in a battle and gives me ammo,melees me and shoots me twice.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 270	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:44:00 - [10] - Quote Dust is alive and kicking, but the kind of alive where you just sustained multiple gunshot wounds or got hit by a truck and your body is flailing around in shock. It can be saved, but first CCP needs to decide what kind of shooter they are making. The current version is not my taste, but after drastic changes to gameplay over my 4 months with the game, I would be happy with CCP sticking to a model so I can once and for all decide whether I want to stick around. The BPO thing sucks, and I could care less about respecs. My main concern is the twitch shooter feel Dust currently has. Hard to justify grinding for over a year to die in .3 seconds to anyone of any level.

SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 401	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:44:00 - [11] - Quote Hrm this post is so similar to other posts I have seen about eve... and we all know eve is dead right, its not like its lasted 10 years or something.
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 282	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:45:00 - [12] - Quote No. Stop asking
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1813	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:49:00 - [13] - Quote No more than any other day. While I wouldn't be happy losing any of my beloved BPOs I'd console myself with the thought that another BPO would come along that I could eventually fall in love with too. Sniff.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2402	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:49:00 - [14] - Quote Dust is certainly not dying, but it could be better. Some eggs need to be broken. Some entitlements stripped away. Once CCP gets Balance straight, we'll have a truly exceptional game. The potential here is huge, and I'm confident that CCP will see it through.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 788	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:03:00 - [15] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: the community seems seriously outraged by the bpo theft and respec debacle. now that we all know ccp are dishonest and have no plan to fix this broken game. and the only people defending them are ccp alts, can dust survive? please discuss. no need to be civil if your passion overwhelms you. I will understand. Dust is already dead. CCP, promoting exploits with every update LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 9	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:04:00 - [16] - Quote DR FEB wrote: Dust is a wonderful game. it is my favorite. i seriously dont see the problem at all. I spec into everything.if i specced wrong i grind and wait for another choice not ask for a stupid respec. i dont complain that guns are bad,the guns are fine,you just need to feel it,love it,and train with it to be good.sure they ned fixing here and there but don't cry about it if they are OP or under powered.deal with it. if bpos are taken away ,fine,as long as i get my money back.even if i don't, who cares? the only people that complain are those who hate the game and want it to die i truly believe that this game can thrive. i is truly the best game tp play thank you CCP, DR FEB lol... ccp alt?
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 9	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:07:00 - [17] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Hrm this post is so similar to other posts I have seen about eve... and we all know eve is dead right, its not like its lasted 10 years or something. eve only survives because it found a niche. do you think dust can do the same? what does dust add to the gaming world, or FPS? other than a laughable eve connection dust is sub par with a bunch of lying cheats at the helm.
DR FEB The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 57	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:07:00 - [18] - Quote try me dude you think im fake wait till i find you in the battlefield is it a sin to love dust? I am giving out 35 million isk to the first who finds me in a battle and gives me ammo,melees me and shoots me twice.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 9	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:08:00 - [19] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Dust is certainly not dying, but it could be better. Some eggs need to be broken. Some entitlements stripped away. Once CCP gets Balance straight, we'll have a truly exceptional game. The potential here is huge, and I'm confident that CCP will see it through. how many years exactly does potential pass an excuse to support a game? if dust is still this bad in 2 years will you still be a supporter?
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 401	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:10:00 - [20] - Quote what does dust add to the gaming world, or FPS? Deeper customization than any other FPS and faction warfare has a pretty heavy influence eve side. Make that effect Sov mechanics and you will have eve corps kicking your door in to hire us.

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:11:00 - [21] - Quote DR FEB wrote: try me dude you think im fake wait till i find you in the battlefield is it a sin to love dust? no sin. only folly. I too was once like you. I spent about 500$ on dust, have an eve accunt, bought the collectors addition. I defended dust against people who made the very same kind of thread I made, trolled them, laughed at them, asked "can I has isk" then they banned my main for voicing my concerns about taking my bpo's and that was the last straw... and believe me I started out with lots of straws.... all they do is alienate their fans
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 114	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:13:00 - [22] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: DR FEB wrote: Dust is a wonderful game. it is my favorite. i seriously dont see the problem at all. I spec into everything.if i specced wrong i grind and wait for another choice not ask for a stupid respec. i dont complain that guns are bad,the guns are fine,you just need to feel it,love it,and train with it to be good.sure they ned fixing here and there but don't cry about it if they are OP or under powered.deal with it. if bpos are taken away ,fine,as long as i get my money back.even if i don't, who cares? the only people that complain are those who hate the game and want it to die i truly believe that this game can thrive. i is truly the best game tp play thank you CCP, DR FEB lol... ccp alt? He is just passionate . Give it some time . This is what I call " towing the company line " and when you have someone who " doesn't care " what is done because " it will all be alright ", there is nothing that can be done to this person to begin with . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:13:00 - [23] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: what does dust add to the gaming world, or FPS? Deeper customization than any other FPS and faction warfare has a pretty heavy influence eve side. Make that effect Sov mechanics and you will have eve corps kicking your door in to hire us. you speculate on the eve corps caring about dust....it could also make eve players quit if done wrong... deep customization is nice, but what exactly does customization matter if theres no meat to the game play to execute that customization?
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 426	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:13:00 - [24] - Quote Despite all the doomsday rhetoric dust has had surprisingly high numbers this week and last, hovering right around 4000 players at any given time, despite the release of the PS4. I wouldn't say dust is dying by a long shot; it's just that time of the month when the sheen of the new update has died down and the next one is too far off to be excited about. Doubles ISK
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:20:00 - [25] - Quote God Hates Lags wrote: Despite all the doomsday rhetoric dust has had surprisingly high numbers this week and last, hovering right around 4000 players at any given time, despite the release of the PS4. I wouldn't say dust is dying by a long shot; it's just that time of the month when the sheen of the new update has died down and the next one is too far off to be excited about. lol just 2 months ago people made the EXACT same post you did in defence of dust.... only then the pop hovered around 5000.... garunteed in a few more months another person like you will post this response claiming the high numbers of 3000 players...
Joel II X AHPA 203	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:22:00 - [26] - Quote Yes, it's dying. Will it survive? Only time can tell. All I saying is that,when I get the PS4, I'll be gone.
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 582	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:32:00 - [27] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: ...what does dust add to the gaming world, or FPS? Incredibly deep customization and the risk of real loss makes combat more interesting than any other FPS game ever made. Compare the motivation to survive in a million ISK tank vs. using a free one that the game spawns for you in every other FPS. Which one is more like real combat? Which one has to weigh the importance of completing the mission/taking the objective vs. staying alive? TTK is game-breaking, but I have faith CCP will get things balanced. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:34:00 - [28] - Quote What happened to the new player base stats on dust charts? Lmao
dogmanpig black market bank 51	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:42:00 - [29] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Yes, it's dying. Will it survive? Only time can tell. All I saying is that,when I get the PS4, I'll be gone. im with you too, till then im passing my extra time getting ready for the holidays and some old xbox games. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 309	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:45:00 - [30] - Quote a respec 1.8 is the only way to save this game level 0 forum warrior self-proclaimed slayer weapon of choice: GEK-38 gallante assault rifle -STB infantry

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 14	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:48:00 - [31] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: a respec 1.8 is the only way to save this game to retain any players at this point that's the only answer... I'll be gone anyway, however.
Kira Takizawa Ethereal Eden 46	Posted - 2013.11.23 01:21:00 - [32] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Dust is alive and kicking, but the kind of alive where you just sustained multiple gunshot wounds or got hit by a truck and your body is flailing around in shock. It can be saved, but first CCP needs to decide what kind of shooter they are making. The current version is not my taste, but after drastic changes to gameplay over my 4 months with the game, I would be happy with CCP sticking to a model so I can once and for all decide whether I want to stick around. The BPO thing sucks, and I could care less about respecs. My main concern is the twitch shooter feel Dust currently has. Hard to justify grinding for over a year to die in .3 seconds to anyone of any level. I agree for the most part but the die to anyone of any level is fine.. but not the time it takes to die..
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 255	Posted - 2013.11.23 01:25:00 - [33] - Quote This game is as dead as The Walking Dead. Its technically already dead, but for some reason it is still moving around. Eventually, its flesh will rot and it will lose the ability to move and sit there until the end comes. Oh and DOOOOOOOMGäó
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 741	Posted - 2013.11.23 01:40:00 - [34] - Quote DUST will die based on the effectivness of vehicle changes. If it is crap then you've lost the vehicle crowd plus the people who will realize that CCP will continue to fail at making this game balanced and playable beyond beer trolling. Move to PC, rename product, sell it for a monthly subscription and hire a company that knows how to design an FPS is the only way for it to survive. If you don't think sniping is the greatest thing everGÇª I will fight you. That's no lie. -GÇö Ron Burgundy paraphrased
Spycrab Potato Penguin's March 557	Posted - 2013.11.23 01:48:00 - [35] - Quote Dust has been dieing since May 15th 2013. My Limbus' name is Sarah. My Freedom's name is Jeremi. They both would like to say hi.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2764	Posted - 2013.11.23 01:56:00 - [36] - Quote The legend345 wrote: No its dead Seriously, people are just beating a dead horse at this point. That's not to say CCP can't still resuscitate the bloated corpse and hang a few air fresheners on it.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10521	Posted - 2013.11.23 02:15:00 - [37] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: DR FEB wrote: try me dude you think im fake wait till i find you in the battlefield is it a sin to love dust? no sin. only folly. I too was once like you. I spent about 500$ on dust, have an eve accunt, bought the collectors addition. I defended dust against people who made the very same kind of thread I made, trolled them, laughed at them, asked "can I has isk" then they banned my main for voicing my concerns about taking my bpo's and that was the last straw... and believe me I started out with lots of straws.... all they do is alienate their fans I wouldn't go falsely claiming getting banned or misrepresenting why you got banned... and no most likely you were not banned over your bpo concerns at all rather the means of messaging itself. You can see dozens of other bpo threads some other irate and poor messaging and even heated, and yet here not these persons keep posting still. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10521	Posted - 2013.11.23 02:18:00 - [38] - Quote God Hates Lags wrote: Despite all the doomsday rhetoric dust has had surprisingly high numbers this week and last, hovering right around 4000 players at any given time, despite the release of the PS4. I wouldn't say dust is dying by a long shot; it's just that time of the month when the sheen of the new update has died down and the next one is too far off to be excited about. Dont forget the xbox one launch too. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
IMMORTAL WAR HERO 75	Posted - 2013.11.23 02:25:00 - [39] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Dust is certainly not dying, but it could be better. Some eggs need to be broken. Some entitlements stripped away. Once CCP gets Balance straight, we'll have a truly exceptional game. The potential here is huge, and I'm confident that CCP will see it through. how many years exactly does potential pass an excuse to support a game? if dust is still this bad in 2 years will you still be a supporter? mabey...... mabey not if dust becomes better i plan to play another 10 years Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
Drifter MAGGOT KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 101	Posted - 2013.11.23 02:41:00 - [40] - Quote Although I would like to see certain things added that may not seem as important as what CCP has done, it still needs to be reminded that this game is "free to play". Whatever can generate revenue will be the first focus. Said revenue will then be used for "improvements". Time is what makes good updates. No one wants to see any quick changes due to all of the possible bugs that may arise.

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.11.23 03:39:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: DR FEB wrote: try me dude you think im fake wait till i find you in the battlefield is it a sin to love dust? no sin. only folly. I too was once like you. I spent about 500$ on dust, have an eve accunt, bought the collectors addition. I defended dust against people who made the very same kind of thread I made, trolled them, laughed at them, asked "can I has isk" then they banned my main for voicing my concerns about taking my bpo's and that was the last straw... and believe me I started out with lots of straws.... all they do is alienate their fans I wouldn't go falsely claiming getting banned or misrepresenting why you got banned... and no most likely you were not banned over your bpo concerns at all rather the means of messaging itself. You can see dozens of other bpo threads some other irate and poor messaging and even heated, and yet here not these persons keep posting still. lol I literally got banned for voicing my concern... and civily to boot... I wont go into specifics because I don't think I can, and im not ready to have my i.p. perma banned yet... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 607	Posted - 2013.11.23 03:41:00 - [42] - Quote I am very happy with the removal of those BPO's. I can not wait to get the AUR back on those wasted items. I bought them all and then never really used them. It was all Militia gear anyway.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.11.23 03:46:00 - [43] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: I am very happy with the removal of those BPO's. I can not wait to get the AUR back on those wasted items. I bought them all and then never really used them. It was all Militia gear anyway. 2 questions... do you have any bpo's you like and use a lot? would you be ok with their removal for aur.... say the Templar gear or the lav? if your answer to the 1st question is no then you have no skin in this game. i SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 594	Posted - 2013.11.23 03:47:00 - [44] - Quote Gtfo here you politician. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 117	Posted - 2013.11.23 03:50:00 - [45] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: God Hates Lags wrote: Despite all the doomsday rhetoric dust has had surprisingly high numbers this week and last, hovering right around 4000 players at any given time, despite the release of the PS4. I wouldn't say dust is dying by a long shot; it's just that time of the month when the sheen of the new update has died down and the next one is too far off to be excited about. Dont forget the xbox one launch too. You mean the lol box. They tried to screw their customers in the beginning and had to do a 180 because gamers flatly said NO. kinda reminds me of another company...
Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2013.11.23 03:54:00 - [46] - Quote Dust is still very much alive and will remain that way until there is less than 1000 people on regularly. i still get those heart rushing clutch matches often so i play alot. the TTK is sort of a problem but i couldn't care less about it. BPO's dont care for I can just use the refunded aur to get other things. i think most are upset about BPO removal because they'll start actually losing stuff instead of using a BPO fit that destroys the risk/reward concept. the only thing that really concerns me is the fact that you can make about 200K a game on a reg. and the only reason to fear going bankrupt is if you use pure proto but even then your not really losing much. i'd like if they actually decreased the ISK payout or increased the price of Standard & Advanced gear. that way i'd actually feel hurt losing my assault scrambler rifle and gallente G1/series to a carthum scrambler pistol (i dont use aim assist). In due time i have faith CCP will pull through until then i'll grind for gear.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10538	Posted - 2013.11.23 03:56:00 - [47] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: DR FEB wrote: try me dude you think im fake wait till i find you in the battlefield is it a sin to love dust? no sin. only folly. I too was once like you. I spent about 500$ on dust, have an eve accunt, bought the collectors addition. I defended dust against people who made the very same kind of thread I made, trolled them, laughed at them, asked "can I has isk" then they banned my main for voicing my concerns about taking my bpo's and that was the last straw... and believe me I started out with lots of straws.... all they do is alienate their fans I wouldn't go falsely claiming getting banned or misrepresenting why you got banned... and no most likely you were not banned over your bpo concerns at all rather the means of messaging itself. You can see dozens of other bpo threads some other irate and poor messaging and even heated, and yet here not these persons keep posting still. lol I literally got banned for voicing my concern... and civily to boot... I wont go into specifics because I don't think I can, and im not ready to have my i.p. perma banned yet... Please don't post the details, just petition the banning if you can, GMs can get over zealous at times but they're not helpful you can ask for an escalation. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.11.23 03:57:00 - [48] - Quote Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Dust is still very much alive and will remain that way until there is less than 1000 people on regularly. i still get those heart rushing clutch matches often so i play alot. the TTK is sort of a problem but i couldn't care less about it. BPO's dont care for I can just use the refunded aur to get other things. i think most are upset about BPO removal because they'll start actually losing stuff instead of using a BPO fit that destroys the risk/reward concept. the only thing that really concerns me is the fact that you can make about 200K a game on a reg. and the only reason to fear going bankrupt is if you use pure proto but even then your not really losing much. i'd like if they actually decreased the ISK payout or increased the price of Standard & Advanced gear. that way i'd actually feel hurt losing my assault scrambler rifle and gallente G1/series to a carthum scrambler pistol (i dont use aim assist). In due time i have faith CCP will pull through until then i'll grind for gear. you have sorely missed why we are upset. its because they told us we could keep them and now are starting to remove them because we trusted ccp and they lied to us. because we supported ccp by buying this crap and they swindle us. because they take us for suckers. I too enjoy the gameplay but I will not support a company that does not respect its consumers! SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.11.23 03:59:00 - [49] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: DR FEB wrote: try me dude you think im fake wait till i find you in the battlefield is it a sin to love dust? no sin. only folly. I too was once like you. I spent about 500$ on dust, have an eve accunt, bought the collectors addition. I defended dust against people who made the very same kind of thread I made, trolled them, laughed at them, asked "can I has isk" then they banned my main for voicing my concerns about taking my bpo's and that was the last straw... and believe me I started out with lots of straws.... all they do is alienate their fans I wouldn't go falsely claiming getting banned or misrepresenting why you got banned... and no most likely you were not banned over your bpo concerns at all rather the means of messaging itself. You can see dozens of other bpo threads some other irate and poor messaging and even heated, and yet here not these persons keep posting still. lol I literally got banned for voicing my concern... and civily to boot... I wont go into specifics because I don't think I can, and im not ready to have my i.p. perma banned yet... Please don't post the details, just petition the banning if you can, GMs can get over zealous at times but they're not helpful you can ask for an escalation. I submitted a ticket about 30 hours ago... no reply yet.... I tried to mail right from the notice you get when banned but the link brings up a error window about the mail client not being set up, even though im on the mailing list and all....its just ridiculous... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1669	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:01:00 - [50] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: the community seems seriously outraged by the bpo theft and respec debacle. now that we all know ccp are dishonest and have no plan to fix this broken game. and the only people defending them are ccp alts, can dust survive? please discuss. no need to be civil if your passion overwhelms you. I will understand. So, you are upset that you are getting reimbursed legally for something they said they were think about, but weren't certain of. And over something which as been said so many times I could say its been in almost EVERY respec thread, since like, EVER. So no, DUST isn't dying. Your just bitching. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:05:00 - [51] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: the community seems seriously outraged by the bpo theft and respec debacle. now that we all know ccp are dishonest and have no plan to fix this broken game. and the only people defending them are ccp alts, can dust survive? please discuss. no need to be civil if your passion overwhelms you. I will understand. So, you are upset that you are getting reimbursed legally for something they said they were think about, but weren't certain of. And over something which as been said so many times I could say its been in almost EVERY respec thread, since like, EVER. So no, DUST isn't dying. Your just bitching. wrong again son! people who bought them in closed beta spent like 50 aur... I spent 4800, we are both getting 4800... I only bought aur to get BPO's there is nothing I want with aur now, I would not have bought aur to begin with were it not for bpo's, and for those who just bought them they were advised by ccp to pick them up befor oct 8th... then a month later remove them? isn't that a little disingenuous? really though if your ok with people pulling that kind of stuff on you that's fine, I just respect myself to much to be silent about being taken for a ride.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
jonathan goodyear Warrior Nation WNx 5	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:28:00 - [52] - Quote I'm still new to the game i have had it for 5 months now but haven't played it for four months soidk wat the probablem is I play this on a ps3 witch u can't get halo on a ps3 while very different its still fun to play and the closest iv found to halo I don't spend mony on the game and don't plan to ya the game could use a few fixes mostely pertaing to what players r alowed to do cuz iv seen some rude and anoying things hapen and a lot of it pisses me off I'll have to get bak to playing to see wat changes thayve mad to game now a couple updates maby once a month fine but compleatly redoing some parts of the game every couple days not cool
VAHZZ 294	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:28:00 - [53] - Quote Is DUST trying to tell you it loves you? The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! ~ Proud Sniper Scout
Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:30:00 - [54] - Quote I see your point but i wouldn't necessarily call it a swindle since you are getting reimbursed in aur. & though right now there may be nothing im sure there will be something you'll want to buy with said aur. with the rate CCP is going. also im sure CCP has a plan to fix this currently jacked game, alts are not the only ones defending this game. but back to the original question. with the rate of consistency fps games are showing, Yes i think Dust 514 will survive IF it can stray from the obvious path and actually become something 'New' which I think it will be.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 862	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:30:00 - [55] - Quote Honestly, Dust was diagnosed with a terminal Illness when the PS4 was announced. Its days seem to be drawing to a close. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1669	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:33:00 - [56] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: the community seems seriously outraged by the bpo theft and respec debacle. now that we all know ccp are dishonest and have no plan to fix this broken game. and the only people defending them are ccp alts, can dust survive? please discuss. no need to be civil if your passion overwhelms you. I will understand. So, you are upset that you are getting reimbursed legally for something they said they were think about, but weren't certain of. And over something which as been said so many times I could say its been in almost EVERY respec thread, since like, EVER. So no, DUST isn't dying. Your just bitching. wrong again son! people who bought them in closed beta spent like 50 aur... I spent 4800, we are both getting 4800... I only bought aur to get BPO's there is nothing I want with aur now, I would not have bought aur to begin with were it not for bpo's, and for those who just bought them they were advised by ccp to pick them up befor oct 8th... then a month later remove them? isn't that a little disingenuous? really though if your ok with people pulling that kind of stuff on you that's fine, I just respect myself to much to be silent about being taken for a ride.... Jesus, read the damn dev blog, long and hard. Wanna know WHY they are removing the freaking BPO's? BECAUSE THE MODULES DONT FREAKING EXIST AT FUKING ALL ANY MORE! Shut up, and realize that keeping them in couldn't have worked, because the module in general DOESN'T EXIST. Good god, STFU and sit down. Read a little deeper. Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 657	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:36:00 - [57] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: the community seems seriously outraged by the bpo theft and respec debacle. now that we all know ccp are dishonest and have no plan to fix this broken game. and the only people defending them are ccp alts, can dust survive? please discuss. no need to be civil if your passion overwhelms you. I will understand. It's neither alive, nor dead Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 537	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:39:00 - [58] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: God Hates Lags wrote: Despite all the doomsday rhetoric dust has had surprisingly high numbers this week and last, hovering right around 4000 players at any given time, despite the release of the PS4. I wouldn't say dust is dying by a long shot; it's just that time of the month when the sheen of the new update has died down and the next one is too far off to be excited about. Dont forget the xbox one launch too. seriously? the game has average no more than 4k players for quite some time now. while that figure may be stable, it surely is not indicative of any growth. Eventually some of those 4k players will move on and more will do so than we have new ones join the fold. quit fooling yourselves.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 147	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:42:00 - [59] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Dust is certainly not dying, but it could be better. Some eggs need to be broken. Some entitlements stripped away. Once CCP gets Balance straight, we'll have a truly exceptional game. The potential here is huge, and I'm confident that CCP will see it through. how many years exactly does potential pass an excuse to support a game? if dust is still this bad in 2 years will you still be a supporter? So I was playing the battle field beta didn't like it just felt weird, graphics weren't that good and controls were off Played cod ghost, enjoyed the pve mode and customization but it didnt really have that sense of progression or victory I think.ill stick with dust for a while, without excuses for why. I just have fun with it Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Free tacos
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 147	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:49:00 - [60] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: God Hates Lags wrote: Despite all the doomsday rhetoric dust has had surprisingly high numbers this week and last, hovering right around 4000 players at any given time, despite the release of the PS4. I wouldn't say dust is dying by a long shot; it's just that time of the month when the sheen of the new update has died down and the next one is too far off to be excited about. lol just 2 months ago people made the EXACT same post you did in defence of dust.... only then the pop hovered around 5000.... garunteed in a few more months another person like you will post this response claiming the high numbers of 3000 players... 2 months ago high was 3000, 4000 on Saturdays Tomorrow it should be higher Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Free tacos

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:50:00 - [61] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: the community seems seriously outraged by the bpo theft and respec debacle. now that we all know ccp are dishonest and have no plan to fix this broken game. and the only people defending them are ccp alts, can dust survive? please discuss. no need to be civil if your passion overwhelms you. I will understand. So, you are upset that you are getting reimbursed legally for something they said they were think about, but weren't certain of. And over something which as been said so many times I could say its been in almost EVERY respec thread, since like, EVER. So no, DUST isn't dying. Your just bitching. wrong again son! people who bought them in closed beta spent like 50 aur... I spent 4800, we are both getting 4800... I only bought aur to get BPO's there is nothing I want with aur now, I would not have bought aur to begin with were it not for bpo's, and for those who just bought them they were advised by ccp to pick them up befor oct 8th... then a month later remove them? isn't that a little disingenuous? really though if your ok with people pulling that kind of stuff on you that's fine, I just respect myself to much to be silent about being taken for a ride.... Jesus, read the damn dev blog, long and hard. Wanna know WHY they are removing the freaking BPO's? BECAUSE THE MODULES DONT FREAKING EXIST AT FUKING ALL ANY MORE! Shut up, and realize that keeping them in couldn't have worked, because the module in general DOESN'T EXIST. Good god, STFU and sit down. Read a little deeper. lol youre the one not reading deep enough. this argument has already been refuted. find the answer and free yourself of your ignorance. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:51:00 - [62] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: God Hates Lags wrote: Despite all the doomsday rhetoric dust has had surprisingly high numbers this week and last, hovering right around 4000 players at any given time, despite the release of the PS4. I wouldn't say dust is dying by a long shot; it's just that time of the month when the sheen of the new update has died down and the next one is too far off to be excited about. lol just 2 months ago people made the EXACT same post you did in defence of dust.... only then the pop hovered around 5000.... garunteed in a few more months another person like you will post this response claiming the high numbers of 3000 players... 2 months ago high was 3000, 4000 on Saturdays Tomorrow it should be higher sorry no... this past season numbers reached around 5000, now highs are low 4000 high 3000... by January I predict it will be around high 3000s SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Athrak Kinz Valkyrian Armada 8	Posted - 2013.11.23 05:04:00 - [63] - Quote Dust is on an IV drip at the moment and everyone is waiting for that shot of adrenaline (new weapons/game modes etc.) to the heart to revive it. Ladies and gentlemen this might as well still be a beta, and I will play it as such until it either dies or can stand upright and walk out of the ICU. Until one of the following events I will continue submitting bugs, making requests and playing my part as a part of the Gallente Federation. This game IS unique and I've watched it grow since open beta, I'm in for the long haul.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 26	Posted - 2013.11.23 05:08:00 - [64] - Quote Athrak Kinz wrote: Dust is on an IV drip at the moment and everyone is waiting for that shot of adrenaline (new weapons/game modes etc.) to the heart to revive it. Ladies and gentlemen this might as well still be a beta, and I will play it as such until it either dies or can stand upright and walk out of the ICU. Until one of the following events I will continue submitting bugs, making requests and playing my part as a part of the Gallente Federation. This game IS unique and I've watched it grow since open beta, I'm in for the long haul. I too was in it for the long haul.... until I became a victim of their bad business practices. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Wako 75 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 86	Posted - 2013.11.23 05:09:00 - [65] - Quote Athrak Kinz wrote: Dust is on an IV drip at the moment and everyone is waiting for that shot of adrenaline (new weapons/game modes etc.) to the heart to revive it. Ladies and gentlemen this might as well still be a beta, and I will play it as such until it either dies or can stand upright and walk out of the ICU. Until one of the following events I will continue submitting bugs, making requests and playing my part as a part of the Gallente Federation. This game IS unique and I've watched it grow since open beta, I'm in for the long haul. I hope 1.7 will be the adrenalin boost that it needs hopefully they can keep it rolling in 1.8 with some scout fixes and at least one new game modes maybe a new heavy weapon even better the other heavies or pilot dropsuits. It will survive!!!
Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2013.11.23 05:09:00 - [66] - Quote Athrak Kinz wrote: Dust is on an IV drip at the moment and everyone is waiting for that shot of adrenaline (new weapons/game modes etc.) to the heart to revive it. Ladies and gentlemen this might as well still be a beta, and I will play it as such until it either dies or can stand upright and walk out of the ICU. Until one of the following events I will continue submitting bugs, making requests and playing my part as a part of the Gallente Federation. This game IS unique and I've watched it grow since open beta, I'm in for the long haul. you & me both. & when this game reaches its potential I'll have millions of SP to spend along with stories to tell and knowledge to pass on to the younger generation of berries.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 428	Posted - 2013.11.23 05:46:00 - [67] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: ...what does dust add to the gaming world, or FPS? Incredibly deep customization and the risk of real loss makes combat more interesting than any other FPS game ever made. Compare the motivation to survive in a million ISK tank vs. using a free one that the game spawns for you in every other FPS. Which one is more like real combat? Which one has to weigh the importance of completing the mission/taking the objective vs. staying alive? TTK is game-breaking, but I have faith CCP will get things balanced. While I do feel your sentiment, I am starting to disagree with this one. Isk is nearly meaningless in this game. Only by being reckless do you realize any loss. Even a player like me, with a measly K/D of 0.56, can still expand their wallet every game. I don't earn much, but after my assets were refunded, I was left with 93M, now I have 104M and climbing. I have to really try to finish a game negative, and no, I don't play PC.
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 584	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:13:00 - [68] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Vell0cet wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: ...what does dust add to the gaming world, or FPS? Incredibly deep customization and the risk of real loss makes combat more interesting than any other FPS game ever made. Compare the motivation to survive in a million ISK tank vs. using a free one that the game spawns for you in every other FPS. Which one is more like real combat? Which one has to weigh the importance of completing the mission/taking the objective vs. staying alive? TTK is game-breaking, but I have faith CCP will get things balanced. While I do feel your sentiment, I am starting to disagree with this one. Isk is nearly meaningless in this game. Only by being reckless do you realize any loss. Even a player like me, with a measly K/D of 0.56, can still expand their wallet every game. I don't earn much, but after my assets were refunded, I was left with 93M, now I have 104M and climbing. I have to really try to finish a game negative, and no, I don't play PC. I think this will be most evident in FW 2.0 where every match will be a drain on your wallet. People will generally go for econo fits in pubs to bank up for good gear in FW so they can bank up LPs to buy the best gear for PC. It's like an economic ecosystem. It's many times more sophisticated than games where you unlock something better and you never have a reason (or even the ability) to use the cheaper version. The core ideas/mechanics of this game are really compelling. It still has a LONG way to go, but CCP has demonstrated the ability to make progress every month--look at the roadmap they laid out after 1.0 dropped, they've done nearly everything on their list. This game is leagues better than when 1.0 launched, and when they finish getting in the rest of the missing content, bump up the TTK, and get things balanced, the foundation will be in a pretty decent spot. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 53	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:18:00 - [69] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Hrm this post is so similar to other posts I have seen about eve... and we all know eve is dead right, its not like its lasted 10 years or something. eve only survives because it found a niche. do you think dust can do the same? what does dust add to the gaming world, or FPS? other than a laughable eve connection dust is sub par with a bunch of lying cheats at the helm. Dust has its niche. It's a shooter with a (relatively) complex skill leveling / progression unlocking system, that also has something of an attached skinner box (there is no shame in admitting this - they're endemic to F2P games). Sometimes things are removed, grow up and stop throwing a tantrum about it - you've paid a pittance (which is being 'refunded' in the form of ingame currency) for an item that you've gotten quite a bit of use out of.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 34	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:21:00 - [70] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Hrm this post is so similar to other posts I have seen about eve... and we all know eve is dead right, its not like its lasted 10 years or something. eve only survives because it found a niche. do you think dust can do the same? what does dust add to the gaming world, or FPS? other than a laughable eve connection dust is sub par with a bunch of lying cheats at the helm. Dust has its niche. It's a shooter with a (relatively) complex skill leveling / progression unlocking system, that also has something of an attached skinner box (there is no shame in admitting this - they're endemic to F2P games). Sometimes things are removed, grow up and stop throwing a tantrum about it - you've paid a pittance (which is being 'refunded' in the form of ingame currency) for an item that you've gotten quite a bit of use out of. so even though I was promised I would keep it permanently I should just be happy I "got a lot of use out of it?" is the skill system that unique? are there really a lot of choices? what is it they call it? AR 514... yeah... a lot of choices. either choose to skill into the FOTM or skill into something else that gimps your merc....deep choice. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!

Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1515	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:23:00 - [71] - Quote Oh look it's this thread again the same kind that pops up literally every month... Without fail... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 34	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:28:00 - [72] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Oh look it's this thread again the same kind that pops up literally every month... Without fail... and always by different people... hmmmm... why do so many loyal dust players turn hater? what is ccp doing to make them turn? ....hmmmmm hmmmmm..... HMMMMMMMMMMMM SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Thor McStrut Reckoners 431	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:30:00 - [73] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Vell0cet wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: ...what does dust add to the gaming world, or FPS? Incredibly deep customization and the risk of real loss makes combat more interesting than any other FPS game ever made. Compare the motivation to survive in a million ISK tank vs. using a free one that the game spawns for you in every other FPS. Which one is more like real combat? Which one has to weigh the importance of completing the mission/taking the objective vs. staying alive? TTK is game-breaking, but I have faith CCP will get things balanced. While I do feel your sentiment, I am starting to disagree with this one. Isk is nearly meaningless in this game. Only by being reckless do you realize any loss. Even a player like me, with a measly K/D of 0.56, can still expand their wallet every game. I don't earn much, but after my assets were refunded, I was left with 93M, now I have 104M and climbing. I have to really try to finish a game negative, and no, I don't play PC. I think this will be most evident in FW 2.0 where every match will be a drain on your wallet. People will generally go for econo fits in pubs to bank up for good gear in FW so they can bank up LPs to buy the best gear for PC. It's like an economic ecosystem. It's many times more sophisticated than games where you unlock something better and you never have a reason (or even the ability) to use the cheaper version. The core ideas/mechanics of this game are really compelling. It still has a LONG way to go, but CCP has demonstrated the ability to make progress every month--look at the roadmap they laid out after 1.0 dropped, they've done nearly everything on their list. This game is leagues better than when 1.0 launched, and when they finish getting in the rest of the missing content, bump up the TTK, and get things balanced, the foundation will be in a pretty decent spot. For sure FW will be an ISK sink, especially at the beginning. But if the LP store doesn't turn out to be profitable, then people will ***** and moan until CCP adjusts it as such. Either that, or they'll just stop participating. IMO, Proto gear/weapons needs to be severely expensive, were one loss can leave your game negative. Adv gear need to be sustainable up to about 4 deaths per game. Standard/Militia needs to afford you 10+ deaths while still running a profit. The goal here is to bring industry Dust side, where eventually Proto is only available through player driven markets where they needed to be built. Whether that's Eve side or both, idk. This game needs more ISK sinks, otherwise there is no feeling of loss.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 53	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:38:00 - [74] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: so even though I was promised I would keep it permanently I should just be happy I "got a lot of use out of it?" is the skill system that unique? are there really a lot of choices? what is it they call it? AR 514... yeah... a lot of choices. either choose to skill into the FOTM or skill into something else that gimps your merc....deep choice. You were never promised permanence with those items - you were only promised infinite copies so long as those items existed, you signed off on the EULA about that. You weren't 'swindled' as they included a statement that you ACCEPTED that said 'at some future point we may change, or remove things and you may not exactly be happy about it, but we are ultimately doing it for [reasons]'. The skill system is unique as far as shooters are concerned. 'AR514' while being something I myself have complained about is only currently in existence due to improvements to hit detection (good things) not yet having damage numbers adjusted on weapons adjusted for too-low numbers on TTK (a bad thing). It will be addressed eventually, though it is problematic it isn't as problematic as say... objects disappearing the first time they're shot at from beyond 400m, or things not rendering at all. You are never held under duress or forced to choose something that's FOTM or an active hindrance to your merc, and as far as shooters go this game does present a lot of deep choice, please try and name another fps that has as many complexities like scan profile vs strength, or simply something as complex as fitting choices... or choices on how to progress your character (things that will continue to expand throughout the games life). Will there always be a FOTM? Probably, the only game that the devs have ever considered 'perfectly balanced' that I can think of is starcraft 1... and they only accomplished that about a year or two before the release of starcraft 2.
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:44:00 - [75] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: For sure FW will be an ISK sink, especially at the beginning. But if the LP store doesn't turn out to be profitable, then people will ***** and moan until CCP adjusts it as such. Either that, or they'll just stop participating. IMO, Proto gear/weapons needs to be severely expensive, were one loss can leave your game negative. Adv gear need to be sustainable up to about 4 deaths per game. Standard/Militia needs to afford you 10+ deaths while still running a profit. The goal here is to bring industry Dust side, where eventually Proto is only available through player driven markets where they needed to be built. Whether that's Eve side or both, idk. This game needs more ISK sinks, otherwise there is no feeling of loss. I completely agree, except that manufacturing really should take place in EVE. They already have the systems in place to make it happen, plus I don't think "crafting" and FPS games pair all that well. I would hate for the DUST team to spend many months of precious development resources to design and build the crafting systems for DUST. That time and effort could be much better spent adding new and interesting gameplay content (that involves shooting stuff) and otherwise improving the gameplay experience. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 54	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:46:00 - [76] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: For sure FW will be an ISK sink, especially at the beginning. But if the LP store doesn't turn out to be profitable, then people will ***** and moan until CCP adjusts it as such. Either that, or they'll just stop participating. IMO, Proto gear/weapons needs to be severely expensive, were one loss can leave your game negative. Adv gear need to be sustainable up to about 4 deaths per game. Standard/Militia needs to afford you 10+ deaths while still running a profit. The goal here is to bring industry Dust side, where eventually Proto is only available through player driven markets where they needed to be built. Whether that's Eve side or both, idk. This game needs more ISK sinks, otherwise there is no feeling of loss. I completely agree, except that manufacturing really should take place in EVE. They already have the systems in place to make it happen, plus I don't think "crafting" and FPS games pair all that well. I would hate for the DUST team to spend many months of precious development resources to design and build the crafting systems for DUST. That time and effort could be much better spent adding new and interesting gameplay content (that involves shooting stuff) and otherwise improving the gameplay experience. Tie crafting into PC - boom, a reason to do it.
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:56:00 - [77] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: For sure FW will be an ISK sink, especially at the beginning. But if the LP store doesn't turn out to be profitable, then people will ***** and moan until CCP adjusts it as such. Either that, or they'll just stop participating. IMO, Proto gear/weapons needs to be severely expensive, were one loss can leave your game negative. Adv gear need to be sustainable up to about 4 deaths per game. Standard/Militia needs to afford you 10+ deaths while still running a profit. The goal here is to bring industry Dust side, where eventually Proto is only available through player driven markets where they needed to be built. Whether that's Eve side or both, idk. This game needs more ISK sinks, otherwise there is no feeling of loss. I completely agree, except that manufacturing really should take place in EVE. They already have the systems in place to make it happen, plus I don't think "crafting" and FPS games pair all that well. I would hate for the DUST team to spend many months of precious development resources to design and build the crafting systems for DUST. That time and effort could be much better spent adding new and interesting gameplay content (that involves shooting stuff) and otherwise improving the gameplay experience. Tie crafting into PC - boom, a reason to do it. PC will produce resources for sure, but if you've ever seen what's involved in manufacturing something in EVE, you'll be thankful that people are doing it there instead of DUST. Invention, datacores, raw materials, creating jobs in open production slots, fueling/defending stations to manufacture in... It's not the kind of thing I want to do with a controller. Have mercs generate/sell the raw materials and the EVE guys turn it into useful stuff and sell it back to us. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1992	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:57:00 - [78] - Quote Dat bait and switch. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 55	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:58:00 - [79] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: For sure FW will be an ISK sink, especially at the beginning. But if the LP store doesn't turn out to be profitable, then people will ***** and moan until CCP adjusts it as such. Either that, or they'll just stop participating. IMO, Proto gear/weapons needs to be severely expensive, were one loss can leave your game negative. Adv gear need to be sustainable up to about 4 deaths per game. Standard/Militia needs to afford you 10+ deaths while still running a profit. The goal here is to bring industry Dust side, where eventually Proto is only available through player driven markets where they needed to be built. Whether that's Eve side or both, idk. This game needs more ISK sinks, otherwise there is no feeling of loss. I completely agree, except that manufacturing really should take place in EVE. They already have the systems in place to make it happen, plus I don't think "crafting" and FPS games pair all that well. I would hate for the DUST team to spend many months of precious development resources to design and build the crafting systems for DUST. That time and effort could be much better spent adding new and interesting gameplay content (that involves shooting stuff) and otherwise improving the gameplay experience. Tie crafting into PC - boom, a reason to do it. PC will produce resources for sure, but if you've ever seen what's involved in crafting something in EVE, you'll be thankful that people are doing it there instead of DUST. Invention, datacores, raw materials, creating jobs in open production slots, fueling/defending stations to manufacture in... It's not the kind of thing I want to do with a controller. Have mercs generate/sell the raw materials and the EVE guys turn it into useful stuff and sell it back to us. I ran a wormhole corp producing t3 modules for a year... and sadly that's nothing on some of the stuff required for t2 production or capship production. I was also briefly involved in booster production in lowsec (but that turned out to not be as profitable as originally thought).
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 219	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:36:00 - [80] - Quote Let people b!tch about bpos, and who the hell is complaining about the respec? Seriously they're changing pretty much everything to do with vehicles it would be impossible not to refund something because alot of skills just won't exist anymore and almost all of them will do something different. If anything is broken about the game it's the fact that the weapons are so unbalanced that the only sensible fit to keep you alive is damage mods and lots of defense tanking, or that the matchmaking still won't prevent new players from being massacred, but even then there's no cause to say that it's dying. At this point the only people still playing are the ones willing to tough out the torturous parts and keep investing their time and they do it because they like the game and want to see it as well as their capabilities grow, as long as there's people like that the game won't go anywhere. I'm surprised that there's still people complaining about every little change that is slightly inconvenient for them and therefore hound the game and then put the onus on CCP to correct their "mistake" instead of allowing them and working with them to address REAL problems and have them focus on things that will make the game grow like PVE. Shame on the players that manipulate CCP's willingness to listen to their customers to further their own selfish goals, if there's any reason for the game to crash and burn it's because of you.



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