DUST Search - Logi generate too much WP

KalOfTheRathi wrote:

shaman oga wrote:

-- snip New Berry not knowing any history --

First the snarky comment: What, you want cream pies thrown from space?

Snarky off, mostly.

How long have you been around shaman? Seriously, I was a Logi in Close Beta and if I found a decent Heavy I could place in the top three easily, often with the fewest kills, and a low death count, among the actual Mercs (not the AFK and New Berries). Those days are gone and you are trying to get their WP removed even further? What is wrong with you?

As a squad leader you idea is nearly the worst I have heard. You take one third of my team and then remove their WP from my OBs? Fine, we quit running Logis. Everybody can run a Logi suit but no repairing hives or revives. And no helping Blue Berries, ever. Proximity mines, REs and Scanners will be fine.

What are you going to do when no body wants you in their squad as your presence will cost them WP?

As far as vehicles you might not have noticed but doing anything to a vehicle as a Logi nets you Nothing At All*. Removing WP from a LLAV could be funny, everybody hates them anyway.

Which leads us to here and the chance for you to spray this all over the front of your shirt. If you don't want the WP, play a different role. Better yet, try a different game. Ugh

* That was because of exploits in Closed Beta and the subsequent Wang Nerf Hammer of Doom being applied to Logi WP.

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shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 984	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:13:00 - [1] - Quote I'm a logi, this should be against my interests, but let explain. i will not consider vehicles for the moment As a logi we can make wp for: resupply, revive, repair, spawn, scan, hack, kills and assist. Assaults and scouts can make wp for: hack, kills, assist and for one kind of equipment. Heavy can make wp for: hack, kills and assist. But the wp generates orbitals. In my opinion equipments (except RE) should generate LOGI points, with logi points you will drop a non-lethal kind of orbital. This is also a way to see your talent as logi and have better stats. WP: kills, assist, hack. Logi Points: resupply, revive, repair, spawn, scan. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 859	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:19:00 - [2] - Quote Technically, a Commando can get revives, supplies, spawns, scans, or repairs. I'll see myself out. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 984	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:22:00 - [3] - Quote Usually commando are dead before they can make any WP "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1409	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:23:00 - [4] - Quote I get more wp, I spend more isk, my kdr suffers. That's the balance of being a logi. Risk vs Reward. Links: List of Important Topics I make logistics videos!
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 859	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:25:00 - [5] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Usually commando are dead before they can make any WP Only in the hands of those dependent on brick-tanking and damage modifying as much as possible. The good Commando lives to slaughter many. It's not as easy as a medium to use. Really is more ability dependent than even the scout. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 984	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:26:00 - [6] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I get more wp, I spend more isk, my kdr suffers. That's the balance of being a logi. Risk vs Reward. Come on, we get more wp, but our KDR do not suffer, i'm not a slayer but the number of wp we get is not balanced. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 847	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:38:00 - [7] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I get more wp, I spend more isk, my kdr suffers. That's the balance of being a logi. Risk vs Reward. Come on, we get more wp, but our KDR do not suffer, i'm not a slayer but the number of wp we get is not balanced. A 'Truelogi' is more valuable to the team than another assault suit is, and is rewarded with WP. A lot of games work like this, the Engineer and Medic classes almost always get more rewards than Slayer classes, because if they didn't, a lot of people wouldn't use those classes. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 476	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:40:00 - [8] - Quote I make a vast amount of WP in my Assault suit just by adding a Militia rep tool or a Militia uplink or being generous with hives I always make fittings for the situation rather than my score. Sure I can't carry them all at once but with a little thought beforehand its not too difficult to rack up points I was in a squad with a very good Heavy (Plapla in case you know him in game) By the end of the match we were 1st and 2nd One of our squad asked "how did you get so many points?" Pla replied "He brought a rep tool, which makes him 100 times more useful than most players" Whatever, I just knew we could hold the objective if we supported him. ..,"where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 424	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:42:00 - [9] - Quote So they guy who gets shot constantly doesn't get to kill everything he sees has the most expensive suits and dies the most often... Is compensated too much? Personally, before I went R3: I never needed to grind isk to keep my wallet growing I ALWAYS generated a profit My KDR was rising. As before, it will be perception that drives the nerfbat... not reality. GûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê ]GûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä - Just a bit further... IlGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] ..GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ......GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ xxx xxx xxx
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 118	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:43:00 - [10] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I make a vast amount of WP in my Assault suit just by adding a Militia rep tool or a Militia uplink or being generous with hives I always make fittings for the situation rather than my score. Sure I can't carry them all at once but with a little thought beforehand its not too difficult to rack up points I was in a squad with a very good Heavy (Plapla in case you know him in game) By the end of the match we were 1st and 2nd One of our squad asked "how did you get so many points?" Pla replied "He brought a rep tool, which makes him 100 times more useful than most players" Whatever, I just knew we could hold the objective if we supported him. aaannnd here we are! supportlogi is as good as slayer in battlefield. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 985	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:45:00 - [11] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: shaman oga wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I get more wp, I spend more isk, my kdr suffers. That's the balance of being a logi. Risk vs Reward. Come on, we get more wp, but our KDR do not suffer, i'm not a slayer but the number of wp we get is not balanced. A 'Truelogi' is more valuable to the team than another assault suit is, and is rewarded with WP. A lot of games work like this, the Engineer and Medic classes almost always get more rewards than Slayer classes, because if they didn't, a lot of people wouldn't use those classes. But i agree, the logi should be rewarded for doing its job, i do not discuss the amount of points, but the points you make with your logi job should not let you earn the classic orbital strike. With logi points you should make an orbital 0Db scan that last 30 second or a flux orbital to wash away shields and equipments. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 118	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:23:00 - [12] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: shaman oga wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I get more wp, I spend more isk, my kdr suffers. That's the balance of being a logi. Risk vs Reward. Come on, we get more wp, but our KDR do not suffer, i'm not a slayer but the number of wp we get is not balanced. A 'Truelogi' is more valuable to the team than another assault suit is, and is rewarded with WP. A lot of games work like this, the Engineer and Medic classes almost always get more rewards than Slayer classes, because if they didn't, a lot of people wouldn't use those classes. But i agree, the logi should be rewarded for doing its job, i do not discuss the amount of points, but the points you make with your logi job should not let you earn the classic orbital strike. With logi points you should make an orbital 0Db scan that last 30 second or a flux orbital to wash away shields and equipments. Actually different OB stuff sounds good... Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 306	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:49:00 - [13] - Quote Ideally warbarge strikes should go away, they are just too much like a killstreak. People in Eve should be the only ones bombarding us short of a commander in the MCC who actually had to move it into position to rain down fire.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 898	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:52:00 - [14] - Quote shaman oga wrote: -- snip New Berry not knowing any history -- First the snarky comment: What, you want cream pies thrown from space? Snarky off, mostly. How long have you been around shaman? Seriously, I was a Logi in Close Beta and if I found a decent Heavy I could place in the top three easily, often with the fewest kills, and a low death count, among the actual Mercs (not the AFK and New Berries). Those days are gone and you are trying to get their WP removed even further? What is wrong with you? As a squad leader you idea is nearly the worst I have heard. You take one third of my team and then remove their WP from my OBs? Fine, we quit running Logis. Everybody can run a Logi suit but no repairing hives or revives. And no helping Blue Berries, ever. Proximity mines, REs and Scanners will be fine. What are you going to do when no body wants you in their squad as your presence will cost them WP? As far as vehicles you might not have noticed but doing anything to a vehicle as a Logi nets you Nothing At All. Removing WP from a LLAV could be funny, everybody hates them anyway. Which leads us to here and the chance for you to spray this all over the front of your shirt. If you don't want the WP, play a different role. Better yet, try a different game. That was because of exploits in Closed Beta and the subsequent Wang Nerf Hammer of Doom being applied to Logi WP.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1062	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:58:00 - [15] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: shaman oga wrote: Usually commando are dead before they can make any WP Only in the hands of those dependent on brick-tanking and damage modifying as much as possible. The good Commando lives to slaughter many. It's not as easy as a medium to use. Really is more ability dependent than even the scout. I think you are misplacing Skill in this instance with Luck... The Lolmando has too much of a hitbox penalty, especially with the new LolBoxes attracting bullets, like a blackhole on speed. That suit needs to be remade from the ground up. Would be a much better suit as a Medium frame with 2 Equipment slots, 2x light weapons, no grenades, 2 module slots less as the suit is is build after, Keeps its base Shield or Armor depending on what faction its from and slightly faster, so that it can like do its gueriallia warfare on its own. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 987	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:05:00 - [16] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: shaman oga wrote: -- snip New Berry not knowing any history -- First the snarky comment: What, you want cream pies thrown from space? Snarky off, mostly. How long have you been around shaman? Seriously, I was a Logi in Close Beta and if I found a decent Heavy I could place in the top three easily, often with the fewest kills, and a low death count, among the actual Mercs (not the AFK and New Berries). Those days are gone and you are trying to get their WP removed even further? What is wrong with you? As a squad leader you idea is nearly the worst I have heard. You take one third of my team and then remove their WP from my OBs? Fine, we quit running Logis. Everybody can run a Logi suit but no repairing hives or revives. And no helping Blue Berries, ever. Proximity mines, REs and Scanners will be fine. What are you going to do when no body wants you in their squad as your presence will cost them WP? As far as vehicles you might not have noticed but doing anything to a vehicle as a Logi nets you Nothing At All. Removing WP from a LLAV could be funny, everybody hates them anyway. Which leads us to here and the chance for you to spray this all over the front of your shirt. If you don't want the WP, play a different role. Better yet, try a different game. That was because of exploits in Closed Beta and the subsequent Wang Nerf Hammer of Doom being applied to Logi WP. I'm here since open beta, but that is not the point. We deserve to gain points and gain loads of isk, but they should not be WP, yesterday we was in a team of 4, we dropped 4 orbitals, that's not normal, it should not happen. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 1008	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:20:00 - [17] - Quote I have been running my alt as a dedicated logi. Yes a lot of war points can be made, but its a job. need comms, good rifleman and you need to be able to dance non stop, due to dusts nade/AR spam nature. Even if I make 400k in a match, the profit is usually 50k to 0k, ******* nades. It would be better to add war point structures to other classes so they can accell at their jobs, Assault could get more per kill, Heavy more for vehicle kills and more points when operating around an objective, scout should get more intel points or some kinda reward for tracking enemies. just ideas, not saying thats how it should be. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
SteelheadPep Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 0	Posted - 2013.11.21 14:31:00 - [18] - Quote Sounds like someones ego was bruised by a poor meager logi getting more points lol. Mercs who play as a sqaud/ team don't seem to mind us support logis helping them, and the points earned towards orbitals goes to the sqaud leader what else do you want take from us?
R F Gyro Clones 4u 654	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:11:00 - [19] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: A 'Truelogi' is more valuable to the team than another assault suit is, and is rewarded with WP. That can be true, but isn't necessarily. The first support logi (I hate the term "true" logi, personally) on a team probably pays their way pretty easily, assuming they aren't a sack of shte of course. If you have four on your team already, would you be better off with a 5th, or another assault? Are we comparing a really effective support logi to a random blue dot assault? Or to an equally competent slayer? As an example, compare a 1500 wp/match support logi with a 1500 wp/match slayer. Does getting that 1500 logi WP require as much skill as getting 30 kills? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus*
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1034	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:44:00 - [20] - Quote So........ You want to take all kind of support designated WP and use them to do what? Giving healing rays? Logistics will always get more WP, what needs to happen is that assault suits get bonus warpoints for working with a logistics suit! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 991	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:53:00 - [21] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: So........ You want to take all kind of support designated WP and use them to do what? Giving healing rays? Logistics will always get more WP, what needs to happen is that assault suits get bonus warpoints for working with a logistics suit! Something else that is not a classic orbital strike, kills will generate kills with a orbital strike, logistic stuff will generate logistic stuff that can be one between: scan, resupply, fluxing enemy equipment and why not healing rays. Probabily a squad leader can get the same amount of points with one of those "orbitals" than with a classic one. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 991	Posted - 2013.11.21 16:29:00 - [22] - Quote Let us assume some kind of logistic orbitals and compare it to a normal OB. Average kill from a single OB are 6/7 (even less usually) with a wp average of 350/450 depending on equipments vehicles etc. To throw an orbital you need the exact position of the enemy or a scansion. _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Logistic orbital will be sure shot, because you can throw them on your teammates. Nanite storm orbital: this orbital will resupply and repair, assuming that targets are with half ammo and 80% of armor, if you hit 5 teammates you will earn more or less 50 triage + 10 +10 resupply for each target, 705= 350 logi points. _______________________________________________________________________________________________ I'm trying to tell that in term of isk gain Logi points will be the same of WP, the only difference is the kind of orbital they will unlock. "Just another piece of duct tape"* Some love for gunners
Mik3 H0nch0 DUST University Ivy League 47	Posted - 2013.11.21 16:39:00 - [23] - Quote Instead of changing Logi WP why not increase the amount of wp required to drop an orbital?


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