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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:10:00 -
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This brings me back to a time not too long ago, when people cried on the forums with bantering of psudo-legal talk that didnt add up to a piece of wet bologna.
Good times, good times... |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
4646
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:11:00 -
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I'm still waiting for any one of those "cases" to reach some kind of resolution.
... Or to actually start, for that matter.
Never forget
Level 4 Forum Warrior
King of airborne swine.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:14:00 -
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I miss those days... the forums were so much more filled with rage XD
Good old internet-lawyers! Probably got their knowledge from optimising characters (poorly - bet they stopped on odd fighter levels  ) in D&D or some other BS. |
Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:33:00 -
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Still pretending ccp didn't thoroughly rip people off in closed beta? lol
Anybody who has given ccp money since then is a chump.
Hi chumps
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe PC
RISE of LEGION
977
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Posted - 2013.11.21 08:03:00 -
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I just don't understand how people can be so stupid about this whole thing. The equation is perfectly fair. You bought AUR, then spent that AUR on something. That thing you bought is no longer usable so they are giving you back the AUR (which will allow you to buy something you can actually use).
How is this even an issue? CCP is clearly trying to do the right thing. According to the EULA they don't have to do anything for these QQing children.
Fun > Realism
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Oswald Rehnquist
642
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Posted - 2013.11.21 08:32:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:I just don't understand how people can be so stupid about this whole thing. The equation is perfectly fair. You bought AUR, then spent that AUR on something. That thing you bought is no longer usable so they are giving you back the AUR (which will allow you to buy something you can actually use).
How is this even an issue? CCP is clearly trying to do the right thing. According to the EULA they don't have to do anything for these QQing children.
The way I look at it, if they are against improvements to the game (the game changing to where old stuff no longer exists), which are desperately needed, nothing against them personally, but then they are dead weight plain and simple.
If I lose my dragonfly scout bpo and related items are reimbursed to me for CCP to give scouts better utility, I'd take it the hit for the overall betterment of the game. Long term > short term is the way I see it. CCP has one more launch date for the ps4 if they decide to continue it, in which case they should take the liberties to do what is right on the ps3 to make the flow work and learn the ins and outs of the fragile nature of console players for future reference.
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Himiko Kuronaga
The Generals
EoN.
2328
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Posted - 2013.11.21 08:34:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:Still pretending ccp didn't thoroughly rip people off in closed beta? lol
Anybody who has given ccp money since then is a chump.
Hi chumps
Taking advantage of a market, or "ripping people off" is not illegal. |
Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.11.21 08:43:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:Still pretending ccp didn't thoroughly rip people off in closed beta? lol
Anybody who has given ccp money since then is a chump.
Hi chumps
Taking advantage of a market, or "ripping people off" is not illegal.
Ccp delivered 'product y' after people paid for 'product x'. It is realy that simple. Knowing that ccp can't be trusted why would you give them more money? |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
192
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Posted - 2013.11.21 08:58:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:Still pretending ccp didn't thoroughly rip people off in closed beta? lol
Anybody who has given ccp money since then is a chump.
Hi chumps
Taking advantage of a market, or "ripping people off" is not illegal. Ccp delivered 'product y' after people paid for 'product x'. It is realy that simple. Knowing that ccp can't be trusted why would you give them more money?
ACTUALLY
CCP delivered "product Y" then discontinued it and gave everyone a refund.
now if you bought a BPO with your aurum and were givin a voucher for $5 off pizza at dominos instead of recieving said BPO and using it for a while, THEN your analagy would be correct. |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
966
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Posted - 2013.11.21 09:04:00 -
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You bought a product with AUR, not cash, and bought the AUR with cash. The part that has changed is the item that was bought with AUR, thus your AUR has been given back. CCP is under no obligation to go back the full way, interpret your intent (I only bought AUR to buy BPOs!) and give you back your money, because the product you bought with your money still exists.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.11.21 09:07:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:Still pretending ccp didn't thoroughly rip people off in closed beta? lol
Anybody who has given ccp money since then is a chump.
Hi chumps
Taking advantage of a market, or "ripping people off" is not illegal. Ccp delivered 'product y' after people paid for 'product x'. It is realy that simple. Knowing that ccp can't be trusted why would you give them more money? ACTUALLY CCP delivered "product Y" then discontinued it and gave everyone a refund. now if you bought a BPO with your aurum and were givin a voucher for $5 off pizza at dominos instead of recieving said BPO and using it for a while, THEN your analagy would be correct.
I don't do mental gymnastics, sorry. ccp are dodgy, closed beta merc pack is proof of that. |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
192
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Posted - 2013.11.21 09:10:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:Still pretending ccp didn't thoroughly rip people off in closed beta? lol
Anybody who has given ccp money since then is a chump.
Hi chumps
Taking advantage of a market, or "ripping people off" is not illegal. Ccp delivered 'product y' after people paid for 'product x'. It is realy that simple. Knowing that ccp can't be trusted why would you give them more money? ACTUALLY CCP delivered "product Y" then discontinued it and gave everyone a refund. now if you bought a BPO with your aurum and were givin a voucher for $5 off pizza at dominos instead of recieving said BPO and using it for a while, THEN your analagy would be correct. I don't do mental gymnastics, sorry. ccp are dodgy, closed beta merc pack is proof of that.
if you concider THAT mental gymnastics... then im sorry but you need someone else to have legal athority over your estate because your not mentally competant enough to function. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1807
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Posted - 2013.11.21 10:28:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:EVERYTHING from your job, bank accounts, purchases anywhere, the car you drive, the laws of your country all follow these basic princaples, and being able to understand and function with that is THE cornerstone of functioning in society.
Well, easy to see why the player base is nonfunctional to a large degree then. However, in their defense, children aren't expected to be functional until they grow up and reach some measure of adulthood. |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
192
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Posted - 2013.11.21 10:49:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:EVERYTHING from your job, bank accounts, purchases anywhere, the car you drive, the laws of your country all follow these basic princaples, and being able to understand and function with that is THE cornerstone of functioning in society. Well, easy to see why the player base is nonfunctional to a large degree then. However, in their defense, children aren't expected to be functional until they grow up and reach some measure of adulthood.
except these are all credit card purchases, so either they have to be an adult already able to enter into contracts, or have someone else who is do the purchase....
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1947
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:32:00 -
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If they refund the ARU that's fine. But beef is that even kickstart does refunds for false advertising of products or projects.
I want my MMO shooter where my choices have impact. Not a **** poor bf2142 clone
"my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:36:00 -
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closed beta merc pack, X was offered and Y was delivered. Trying to argue otherwise is mental gymnastics. Go ahead and give ccp more money, i dare ya! lol |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
192
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:48:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:closed beta merc pack, X was offered and Y was delivered. Trying to argue otherwise is mental gymnastics. Go ahead and give ccp more money, i dare ya! lol
except it was determined that X was offered and X was delivered and people were doing the whole "we diddnt read the contract we signed" BS like they are doing now in an attempt to say they were givin Y instead of X.
how do we know thats true? well nobody ended up getting sued because lawers took one look at it and laughed at anyone who tryed. |
Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:50:00 -
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X was offered, X was not delivered. You are a chump
Who would gain anything by suing (lol americans)? Most reasonable people will simply stop giving money to an untrustworthy pack of amatuers like ccp. |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
192
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:56:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:X was offered, X was not delivered. You are a chump
unfortunatly, your wrong.
this was gone over in detail at the time, and legally speaking, X was delivered.
and since its a legal contract, it doesnt matter weather or not you hold the belief you were givin Y. |
Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.11.21 12:02:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:X was offered, X was not delivered. You are a chump unfortunatly, your wrong. this was gone over in detail at the time, and legally speaking, X was delivered. and since its a legal contract, it doesnt matter weather or not you hold the belief you were givin Y.
Again, X was for sale, X was not delivered.
Ccp didn't have the ability to see the clusterf*ck that was 'closed beta merc pack refund, skill reset, commercial release'.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
196
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Posted - 2013.11.21 12:13:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:X was offered, X was not delivered. You are a chump unfortunatly, your wrong. this was gone over in detail at the time, and legally speaking, X was delivered. and since its a legal contract, it doesnt matter weather or not you hold the belief you were givin Y. Again, X was for sale, X was not delivered. Ccp didn't have the ability to see the clusterf*ck that was 'closed beta merc pack refund, skill reset, commercial release'.
you can say it as many times as you want, it doesnt make it true. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1299
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Posted - 2013.11.21 13:24:00 -
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I remember the clusterf*** that was general discussions at that time.
"Please don't"
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I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe PC
RISE of LEGION
1970
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Posted - 2013.11.21 13:29:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:Still pretending ccp didn't thoroughly rip people off in closed beta? lol
Anybody who has given ccp money since then is a chump.
Hi chumps
Taking advantage of a market, or "ripping people off" is not illegal. Ccp delivered 'product y' after people paid for 'product x'. It is realy that simple. Knowing that ccp can't be trusted why would you give them more money?
I don't feel like CCP has mislead me in any way. I think that whomever is setting their micro transaction prices at the moment must have just gotten here after selling designer clothing to billionaires but that's another issue.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe PC
RISE of LEGION
979
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Posted - 2013.11.21 13:51:00 -
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I'm with Thor on this one clearly.
Also, what are you guys talking about regarding issues with the closed beta merc pack. I bought 2 merc packs in closed beta and when the reset hit I got everything back. I don't see how that is a problem at all. I actually got more AUR back on commercial release because of the increase in value of the BPO's I had purchased. So not only did CCP refund my purchase they took into account the increased value of the produced I purchased and rewarded it.
Once again I ask: How is this even and issue?
You'd have to be a true idiot to have a problem with getting refunded for something you can't even use anymore even though you've gotten use out of it.
Take your AUR and buy some boosters. They aren't going to take away your SP ever so that would be an excellent investment.
Fun > Realism
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
110
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:53:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:I just don't understand how people can be so stupid about this whole thing. The equation is perfectly fair. You bought AUR, then spent that AUR on something. That thing you bought is no longer usable so they are giving you back the AUR (which will allow you to buy something you can actually use).
How is this even an issue? CCP is clearly trying to do the right thing. According to the EULA they don't have to do anything for these QQing children.
The issue is that with the way transactions work with Dust, you can't actually be refunded money you spent. People who bought AUR specifically for BPO and nothing else have no other use for it if the BPO are being removed. By your logic, they could remove every AUR item in the market/game except for nanite injectors and say "well we're refunding the AUR you spent on the BPOs, Proto suits/weapons/vehicles, etc. so we're even".
There's no equation in this situation, it's a producer saying that the consumer must buy funny money which in turn could be exchanged for products A, B, C, D, and E but then once you buy the funny money saying that you can't actually buy vowels. Anyone upset about this tactic is justified in feeling cheated out of their money. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
278
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:05:00 -
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You guys do know there's a EULA in every AUR pack, merc-vet-elite pack right?
The one that says CCP reserves the right to modify what ever they want cause its there KITTEN game?
No? You didn't read t that?
Well your fault for negligence then, have fun losing in court.
Still waiting on skill spikes and clusters.
Something witty here.
How DOES one get a cat into a dropsuit?
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Himiko Kuronaga
The Generals
EoN.
2332
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Posted - 2013.11.21 23:42:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:Still pretending ccp didn't thoroughly rip people off in closed beta? lol
Anybody who has given ccp money since then is a chump.
Hi chumps
Taking advantage of a market, or "ripping people off" is not illegal. Ccp delivered 'product y' after people paid for 'product x'. It is realy that simple. Knowing that ccp can't be trusted why would you give them more money?
Because I agree with what they have done, and I support the philosophy of ripping off stupid people. |
Ralden Caster
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.22 00:20:00 -
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The reason for the removal of BPOs was so the Dust 514 community could be better prepared for the EVE economy once the universes fully merge. The BPOs were a problematic thing because it would cut out the need for using EVE resources to produce our weaponry. Therefore, the BPOs were removed from the market and the merc pack was replaced with the WAR kits.
However, what CCP seems to have missed is the fact that console gamers are a COMPLETELY different crowd than PC gamers. PC gamers are the people who constantly buy new parts for their computer and are therefore accustomed to making many microtrasactions in their video games because they see it no different than upgrading their gaming rig. However, console gamers are more static about their cash, preferring to make a one-off purchase to play their games indefinitely. That is a major reason that people buy consoles in the first place; consoles don't need the constant upgrades and maintenance a computer requires. CCP needs to think of a way to sell non-gamebreaking material that is also permanent and will not require the constant microtransactions that console gamers despise all to greatly. Preferably, permanent cosmetic items, such as paint sets to color one's dropsuits and vehicles, would be best choice for the Dust 514 gaming community. |
Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
526
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Posted - 2013.11.22 00:27:00 -
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I am perfectly happy with the purchases of BPOs, boosters and other Aurum items (fused locus grenades aside 3x grenades is better than 1/2) from CCP and see no cause for any of the QQ that has happened. There was plenty of time to buy BPOs when they were available and still are available through the Elite and Vet Packs, get them while you can.
One Universe...with friendly fire and Open World Game Play for all!
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe PC
RISE of LEGION
981
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Posted - 2013.11.22 01:18:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:
The issue is that with the way transactions work with Dust, you can't actually be refunded money you spent. People who bought AUR specifically for BPO and nothing else have no other use for it if the BPO are being removed. By your logic, they could remove every AUR item in the market/game except for nanite injectors and say "well we're refunding the AUR you spent on the BPOs, Proto suits/weapons/vehicles, etc. so we're even".
There's no equation in this situation, it's a producer saying that the consumer must buy funny money which in turn could be exchanged for products A, B, C, D, and E but then once you buy the funny money saying that you can't actually buy vowels. Anyone upset about this tactic is justified in feeling cheated out of their money.
Actually thats not quite why these people are upset. They are angry about the rernoval of several vehicle BPO's of items which will no longer exist. It seems silly for them to keep the items when they would no longer be usable (or even desirable) in the game. These items would essentially be useless hordables.
People who supposed that these items would be around forever were a bit deluded since the game has been in an amazing state of flux for the past year. Saying you didn't know some change like this was coming just means that you haven't been paying attention.
As always, shopping for digital items with what amounts to real money is a situation where buyers must be ware and not get ruffled when things change.
At any rate I'm sure that they will find something useful they wish to spend the AUR on even if they don't see it now. CCP is not going to make AUR items go away as you suggested since they are the only way the company makes money off this game. Additionally getting rid of all the BPO items except one, refinding the AUR, and expecting their buisness venture to be successful is a ludicris idea which you know will never happen.
If you think for one minute that CCP is going to kill the AUR market (the only thing they make money off of in regards to dust) you are even more foolish than I thought.
Fun > Realism
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