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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1403	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:45:00 - [1] - Quote Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1269	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:48:00 - [2] - Quote You're doing the job of the Logi, you just have too much health for that job. There's no reason for Logis to have that many high and low slots. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 829	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:49:00 - [3] - Quote I was going to "inb4 logis r medacs", but... Bendtner92 wrote: You're doing the job of the Logi, you just have too much health for that job. There's no reason for Logis to have that many high and low slots. This. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 223	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:59:00 - [4] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: You're doing the job of the Logi, you just have too much health for that job. There's no reason for Logis to have that many high and low slots. The thing is it is hard to fit all that equipment even for the Gal Logi, without a PG unit I cant run more than advanced gear and that with nearly maxed skills. It is true a Logi can outtank an assault suit but not with a fit that is very usefull (you could fit a std heavy for that reason with less effort). But I could easily live with less slots If CCP makes some small changes: First of all giv us Logis the same or a bit more speed than Assaults becasue right now I can't keep up with them unless I use the Minni Logi. Second give all Equipment based skills a small reduction to CPU/PG (maybe 2%) so thoose that want to help can equip what is neccessary. Than CCP could take aways one of my slots and give it to Assaults...
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 992	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:01:00 - [5] - Quote There is nothing wrong with what you are doing, so long as you a rather generous with those hives, put 1 or 2 down when you see your squad has been shored up somewhere. Otherwise the only thing I use determine between a logibro and an assault tryhard is have they contributed with more than just their gun and a scanner? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 536	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:10:00 - [6] - Quote Easy solution: Switch slot layout of every racial assault and their corresponsing logi while retaining the CPU/PG allocation for both. Then assaults can be versatile in assaulting (by the use of different type of mod combos), and logis can be versatile with equipment. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 275	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:12:00 - [7] - Quote When you don't carry a repair tool or needle. When you don't repair or revive me when you do. When you only throw hives or scan for yourself. When you use RE other than on objectives. When you equip damage mods. When your first goal is killing/ solo-ing. As for you, you said it yourself: Quote: I support while I do my soldiering You're an assault Logi, and not that there's anything wrong with that. We all have our play styles. Do whatever you do to support you team. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1975	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:18:00 - [8] - Quote Logi can have many roles, including slayer, but that annoys the assault suit dudes. Medic, needles and reps, run with the assaults ewar, scanners and sig tanking demo, remote demo, prox mines AV, demo gear, AV nades, normally stick with a rifle for the main weapon, but pack good hives for your forge/swarm bros. Slayer, rifle and ammo, keep up with the assaults ( bonus if you pack reps and heal bros between engagements ) By design the logi suit has many possible hats, some players don't realize this and only think of logi as ammo and reps, not realizing the logibro may be planting a field of uplinks or running scans and prox mines. an art
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 396	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:23:00 - [9] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: You're doing the job of the Logi, you just have too much health for that job. There's no reason for Logis to have that many high and low slots. Since when is 667HP too much health? em ta kool t'nod
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 108	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:26:00 - [10] - Quote I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1841	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:27:00 - [11] - Quote I hereby petition to change name of Assault dropsuit to Type 1 and Logistics to Type 2. Problem solved. People read too much into the names. AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 302	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:32:00 - [12] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: When you don't carry a repair tool or needle. When you don't repair or revive me when you do. When you only throw hives or scan for yourself. When you use RE other than on objectives. When you equip damage mods. When your first goal is killing/ solo-ing. As for you, you said it yourself: Quote: I support while I do my soldiering You're an assault Logi, and not that there's anything wrong with that. We all have our play styles. Do whatever you do to support you team. What's wrong with using REs & Proxies? They are demolitions experts and definitely not assault. Logi is the only suit you can run multiple REs or Proxies and they are invaluable for defending OBJs (multiple hidden REs can defend an OBJ almost as well as stationed soldiers). Proxies placed right are the bane of LAVs & Tanks. We've got to get past the only kind of logi is that running rep tool, injector, and nanohive. It's when Logis run limited or no equipment that their slot issue comes forward.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2169	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:33:00 - [13] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". i dont see anything wrong here in that description aside from the fact i struggle having that much HP with my proto minnie assault without dropping some damagers. Because if i add damage mods i'm bound to use fitting modules too. But hell. That's not the issue. Issue is when dudes just scrub the equipments and fill themselves of proto mods like a giant christmas tree. And i'm pretty sure there's a way to let guys like you keep playing like you do without hurting your kill power while still preventing people from using logis as full tanks\DPS. Those hurts you as much as they hurt use imo. This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1692	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:37:00 - [14] - Quote OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 967	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:41:00 - [15] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to ** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". i dont see anything wrong here in that description aside from the fact i struggle having that much HP with my proto minnie assault without dropping some damagers. Because if i add damage mods i'm bound to use fitting modules too. But hell. That's not the issue. Issue is when dudes just scrub the equipments and fill themselves of proto mods like a giant christmas tree. And i'm pretty sure there's a way to let guys like you keep playing like you do without hurting your kill power while still preventing people from using logis as full tanks\DPS. Those hurts you as much as they hurt use imo. Caz, there's a serious problem related. Please contact me via mail whenever you can talk / have a text chat, I don't want the whole community to exploit "Quella non è latenza... è il livello di magia arcobaleno della squadra!" Join the Rainbow side of the Force**
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 179	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:56:00 - [16] - Quote Mregomies wrote: I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Your a true logi in my eyes -P Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1299	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:00:00 - [17] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently dude I love my logi AKO and assault AKO they both have different purposes I like to set up my logi with a quick regen fit and use it as a sort of logistical engineer i.e. remotes uplinks and hives , my assaultas carry a much higher ehp but don't have the incredibly quick regen that my logifits run on , each has a purpose , personally I like lasers on my assaults and scramblers on my logis. Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1694	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:06:00 - [18] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently dude I love my logi AKO and assault AKO they both have different purposes I like to set up my logi with a quick regen fit and use it as a sort of logistical engineer i.e. remotes uplinks and hives , my assaultas carry a much higher ehp but don't have the incredibly quick regen that my logifits run on , each has a purpose , personally I like lasers on my assaults and scramblers on my logis. I currently find no use for the amarr assault, the logi beats it hands down and still has the sidearm slot while having more equipment slots The assault can move slightly faster and regen is better but if i have to go proto assault to fit it like i do my adv logi suit then ther is a bit of a problem As for pure tank logi > assault due to more slots
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 344	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:15:00 - [19] - Quote Reality of the logistics role is complex. You need a feild medic that has the hp and slots to keep your team repaired and stocked. Now dusts current enviroment doesnt really provide the type of battles all the time or the team perspective where it would be manditory to have a logi. But as kdr/win % hungry as this games culture is,having versatile suits is more important than anything. Infact depth of game play and customization saved the game for me personally. Also clowns never stand around long enough to get healed so even if you are a true logi youde be wasting it on noobs You are welcome for my leadership
Bleeding Knight Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 58	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:18:00 - [20] - Quote I found that people don't completely hate your guts if you have a crapload of health while repping and reviving people with proto equipment. That's at least what I do. I run: Proto Minmatar logistic Proto needle Core Focus Repair Tool A BPO weapon And only shield and armor extenders With this I only follow people who have high armor hp and try to keep them alive. I don't usually fight unless my Hero gets taken down and his killer is infront of me. I kill the red and revive my Hero.

Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 108	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:19:00 - [21] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Mregomies wrote: I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Your a true logi in my eyes -P I'll rep and needle you again next time :-) Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 414	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:24:00 - [22] - Quote IMO, if you prioritize support equipment when building your suits that pretty much qualifies you. If you wanted to get technical, a kill/WP ratio greater than 100 (mines like 160, lol) might be a decent objective criteria. That more or less indicates that 1/2 your WP comes from something besides killing. We don't need to be pacifists, but killing shouldn't be more than 50-75% of our business. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1407	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:35:00 - [23] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently First of I'd like you to elaborate on your first statement, just tossing it out there isn't doing much for your "argument". Secondly I'd like to know why you've been negative towards me on these forums for the last half year or so. In almost every thread I make you come in and say something negative, I doubt that it all comes from dissagreeing with me. What did I do to earn this hostility? And thirdly, we compare proto suits vs protosuits, not enhanced vs enhanced, at least its common practice on these forums. The Amar assault suit is currently the best run and gun suit due to the Scrambler rifle receiving its bonus. The gun is insanely good even without the bonus, with it its borderlining OP. Yes the Logi suit reps better and has the equipment slots, all the assault suit has is its overheat bonus, but what a damned fine bonus it is! I've talked to guys claiming that the Amar logi isn't neccissarily better than the assault, they're merely different. Its even been written in one of my previous threads, I believe it was by Mortadelo. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1951	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:05:00 - [24] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently It's an easy fix in my opinion. 1.) Remove the 10% across the board buff to weapon damage. 2.) Give assault suits damage bonuses to their racial weapon 3.) Increase the speed of the scout and assault suits to increase the speed gap. Like someone else said, change the name (although logistics doesn't mean medic in any language I'm aware of) like someone else mentioned. I think the Eve pilots are the ones that started all this mess as logistics ships in Eve are pure support only. If somewhere down the line when we have 100 vs. 100 or whatever I can see a logistics suit being pure support, but it's not possible with 16 vs 16. It's certainly not possible without a respec as there are far more logistics suits out there than any other suit. I have about 5.2 million invested in logi suits and I want no part of not being able to kill. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2506	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:25:00 - [25] - Quote A true Logi is doing those every other things that are not slaying. One-dimensional-minded slayers need to STFU Level 2 Forum Warrior Hate Lord
Levithunder Butt Hurt Try Hards 131	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:26:00 - [26] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community:six kin repair tool on my butt ,injectors,nano hives :) Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". (-í° -£-û -í°) Nerf Me If You Dare.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 480	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:39:00 - [27] - Quote I would say that if you have your equipment slots filled, are using those equipments for more than just dropping YOURSELF uplinks and nanohives, and those euipments are of equivalent level as your suit (I.E. at least advanced equipment on an anvanced or proto suit) you are indeed a true logi. We have to get past the Chromosome ideal of a logi being the guy tethered to a heavy's ass by the rep tool
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1110	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:41:00 - [28] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Reality of the logistics role is complex. You need a feild medic that has the hp and slots to keep your team repaired and stocked. Now dusts current enviroment doesnt really provide the type of battles all the time or the team perspective where it would be manditory to have a logi. But as kdr/win % hungry as this games culture is,having versatile suits is more important than anything. Infact depth of game play and customization saved the game for me personally. Also clowns never stand around long enough to get healed so even if you are a true logi youde be wasting it on noobs Don't need to worry about them standing around if you run with a Wiyrkomi Injector Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Ku Shala Exiled Veteran Elite 652	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:47:00 - [29] - Quote isnt this game about playing your way ? by building your suit to your play style. how can something be wrong when it is available to everyone? next time you spawn on my uplinks or use my hives or I kill the redberry that killed you so I can stick and rep you or waste 10 seconds scanning only to lose the ability to turn for 5 seconds more while you chase down the enemy trying to flank you... without logis most of you wouldnt go to far so the next time your proto suit gets picked up and rep'd rember my proto logi suit cost more than 200k+ and when im down nobody is going to pick me up Logi Luvs for all (even haters ) your doing it right OP you cant do it wrong do what works for you. just dont be a blueberry First General of Exiled Veteran Elite Loyalty Is not always rewarded Serving Caldari State
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1110	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:48:00 - [30] - Quote Anarchide wrote: A true Logi is doing those every other things that are not slaying. One-dimensional-minded slayers need to STFU IMHO, True Logis worry about facilitating the battlefield for their comrades through the use of equipment first and slay when necessary. They aren't running about the battlefield hunting reddots, though neither are they constantly with Reps Leash in hand. I know what I mean, I just have a hard time putting it to words. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

Cosgar ParagonX 7920	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:56:00 - [31] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". i dont see anything wrong here in that description aside from the fact i struggle having that much HP with my proto minnie assault without dropping some damagers. Because if i add damage mods i'm bound to use fitting modules too. But hell. That's not the issue. Issue is when dudes just scrub the equipments and fill themselves of proto mods like a giant christmas tree. And i'm pretty sure there's a way to let guys like you keep playing like you do without hurting your kill power while still preventing people from using logis as full tanks\DPS. Those hurts you as much as they hurt use imo. If someone wants to gimp their logi suit like that, let them. Might be able to pub stomp but it's going to be useless when they're fighting organized squads. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1697	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:59:00 - [32] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently First of I'd like you to elaborate on your first statement, just tossing it out there isn't doing much for your "argument". Secondly I'd like to know why you've been negative towards me on these forums for the last half year or so. In almost every thread I make you come in and say something negative, I doubt that it all comes from dissagreeing with me. What did I do to earn this hostility? And thirdly, we compare proto suits vs protosuits, not enhanced vs enhanced, at least its common practice on these forums. The Amar assault suit is currently the best run and gun suit due to the Scrambler rifle receiving its bonus. The gun is insanely good even without the bonus, with it its borderlining OP. Yes the Logi suit reps better and has the equipment slots, all the assault suit has is its overheat bonus, but what a damned fine bonus it is! I've talked to guys claiming that the Amar logi isn't neccissarily better than the assault, they're merely different. Its even been written in one of my previous threads, I believe it was by Mortadelo. Never ask for someone not you call you something which you dont like, so quiet assault logi tryhard who spams nades Hostile, you think this is hostile? lolno stop being such a girl Proto suit i dont really care, adv is a good point for me having both it gives me a insight to the proto and if adv logi is beating adv suit then it may carry on into proto tho proto amarr ass goes 3/3 where logi gain 1 low slot but 5hp/sec which is 1 slot less used Overall proto vs proto the logi suit is winning these days, they fill the slots up with proto and the equipment is left bare or maybe a the odd thing to benefit them like a scanner and hives but forget the rep or needle Its not OP, ASCR doesnt overheat at adv anyways, proto it may do and thus be better with the proto suit but i stomp with adv anyways Only thing which is OP is the aim assist which is more like auto aim
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1697	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:03:00 - [33] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently It's an easy fix in my opinion. 1.) Remove the 10% across the board buff to weapon damage. 2.) Give assault suits damage bonuses to their racial weapon 3.) Increase the speed of the scout and assault suits to increase the speed gap. Like someone else said, change the name (although logistics doesn't mean medic in any language I'm aware of) like someone else mentioned. I think the Eve pilots are the ones that started all this mess as logistics ships in Eve are pure support only. If somewhere down the line when we have 100 vs. 100 or whatever I can see a logistics suit being pure support, but it's not possible with 16 vs 16. It's certainly not possible without a respec as there are far more logistics suits out there than any other suit. I have about 5.2 million invested in logi suits and I want no part of not being able to kill. 1. fine also reduce OP aim assist i means autoaim 2. fine 3. fine In EVE most fleet setups have logi ships but they have no guns just pure logi to rep and help the pure dmg ships Now in DUST a FPS would this no gun setup work for logi? lolno i dont think anyone would except it hence why they have no sidearm, maybe give them just a sidearm but then ppl complain they cant long range fight then
m twiggz Eternal Beings 152	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:05:00 - [34] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". According to these forums, and anyone who isn't running a logi fit in game, a true logi is someone that does nothing but supports his/her team/squad. Absolutely no frontline battling. I constantly argue the contrary. You're doing it right, people get far too upset in this game when they die and instantly QQ on the forums. Keep up the good work, my fellow logi.
m twiggz Eternal Beings 152	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:15:00 - [35] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently You're wrong. I did a complete comparison of load outs for the Logistic ck.0 and Assault ck.0 ( HERE ). Both suits I have, proto level, all core skills lvl 5, weapon/prof level 5, etc. The assault variant is a FAR better slayer than my logi. The added speed and sidearm makes up for the on average 50-100 less EHP the assault suit has than the logistics variant. This differs per racial suits, at a very small margin. No logistic suit has a "god-mode" or clear cut advantage to the assault variant when it comes to slaying. Do your homework next time you go talking about something you obviously know nothing about. I try not to troll, but your blatant stupidity needs to be corrected.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 842	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:25:00 - [36] - Quote Anarchide wrote: A true Logi is doing those every other things that are not slaying. One-dimensional-minded slayers need to STFU If one-dimensional-minded slayers need to STFU, why don't the one-dimensional-minded medics have to?? The truth is not usually black and white. Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
TcuBe3 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 242	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:26:00 - [37] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Easy solution: Switch high/low slot layout of every racial assault and their corresponsing logi while retaining the CPU/PG allocation for both. Then assaults can be versatile in assaulting (by the use of different type of mod combos), and logis can be versatile with equipment. Actually the Minmitar Logi / Assault kinda does that. Assault Mk.0 High Slots: 5 Low Slots: 2 Logisitcs Mk.0 High Slots: 4 Low Slots: 4 I'm not really sure why they designed the Assault that way but I do notice there aren't a lot of Min Assaults running around out there. Especially with the Armor buff. I started out with the Min Logi and am now working on the Assault. It doesn't really make sense though as my Assault is much much squishier than my log will ever be. even at proto level! Now wouldn't common sense dictate that a front line soldier would have more HP than his support in the back? yeah it would! But that isn't the way CCP did it. It appears as though the increased equipment slots on the logistics suits should have removed the high or low slots from the suit. However this isn't the case. My suggestion would be give logistics suits the exact same high / low slot configuration for it's assault counterpart, with an increase in equipment slot / PG CPU per respective suit, basic, advance and prototype level.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 842	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:28:00 - [38] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: KingBabar wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently First of I'd like you to elaborate on your first statement, just tossing it out there isn't doing much for your "argument". Secondly I'd like to know why you've been negative towards me on these forums for the last half year or so. In almost every thread I make you come in and say something negative, I doubt that it all comes from dissagreeing with me. What did I do to earn this hostility? And thirdly, we compare proto suits vs protosuits, not enhanced vs enhanced, at least its common practice on these forums. The Amar assault suit is currently the best run and gun suit due to the Scrambler rifle receiving its bonus. The gun is insanely good even without the bonus, with it its borderlining OP. Yes the Logi suit reps better and has the equipment slots, all the assault suit has is its overheat bonus, but what a damned fine bonus it is! I've talked to guys claiming that the Amar logi isn't neccissarily better than the assault, they're merely different. Its even been written in one of my previous threads, I believe it was by Mortadelo. Never ask for someone not you call you something which you dont like, so quiet assault logi tryhard who spams nades Hostile, you think this is hostile? lolno stop being such a girl Proto suit i dont really care, adv is a good point for me having both it gives me a insight to the proto and if adv logi is beating adv suit then it may carry on into proto tho proto amarr ass goes 3/3 where logi gain 1 low slot but 5hp/sec which is 1 slot less used Overall proto vs proto the logi suit is winning these days, they fill the slots up with proto and the equipment is left bare or maybe a the odd thing to benefit them like a scanner and hives but forget the rep or needle Its not OP, ASCR doesnt overheat at adv anyways, proto it may do and thus be better with the proto suit but i stomp with adv anyways Only thing which is OP is the aim assist which is more like auto aim Sounds like Mr Kashuken should have his own forum section just for him alone. Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 842	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:38:00 - [39] - Quote I guess the purpose of this thread is not to find a way how to fix 'superior-to-assaults-logis' but to discuss the playerbases view on how the logi players are supposed to play the game. Of course there has to be limitations, and on this thread here discussion is going on about it. (fix: reduce log PG+CPU but make general logi bonus a huge EQ fitting bonus) Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1951	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:45:00 - [40] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently It's an easy fix in my opinion. 1.) Remove the 10% across the board buff to weapon damage. 2.) Give assault suits damage bonuses to their racial weapon 3.) Increase the speed of the scout and assault suits to increase the speed gap. Like someone else said, change the name (although logistics doesn't mean medic in any language I'm aware of) like someone else mentioned. I think the Eve pilots are the ones that started all this mess as logistics ships in Eve are pure support only. If somewhere down the line when we have 100 vs. 100 or whatever I can see a logistics suit being pure support, but it's not possible with 16 vs 16. It's certainly not possible without a respec as there are far more logistics suits out there than any other suit. I have about 5.2 million invested in logi suits and I want no part of not being able to kill. 1. fine also reduce OP aim assist i means autoaim 2. fine 3. fine In EVE most fleet setups have logi ships but they have no guns just pure logi to rep and help the pure dmg ships Now in DUST a FPS would this no gun setup work for logi? lolno i dont think anyone would except it hence why they have no sidearm, maybe give them just a sidearm but then ppl complain they cant long range fight then The vets have seen the engagements go full circle. We've had CQC builds, the viviam laser build (when sharpshooter extended range) and everything between. For CQC builds the sidearm logi wouldn't be bad, but a lot of matches right now are at distance. I don't think any level headed person could actually be serious about sidearm only for logis. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1697	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:47:00 - [41] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently You're wrong. I did a complete comparison of load outs for the Logistic ck.0 and Assault ck.0 ( HERE ). Both suits I have, proto level, all core skills lvl 5, weapon/prof level 5, etc. The assault variant is a FAR better slayer than my logi. The added speed and sidearm makes up for the on average 50-100 less EHP the assault suit has than the logistics variant. This differs per racial suits, at a very small margin. No logistic suit has a "god-mode" or clear cut advantage to the assault variant when it comes to slaying. Do your homework next time you go talking about something you obviously know nothing about. I try not to troll, but your blatant stupidity needs to be corrected. Stop being a ****** You picked caldari suits I use amarr so far and the logi has a sidearm plus if your going assult a lazer rifle is best because of the bonus, or you dont use the bonus to lazer so you might aswell get another suit Logi also has no slots filled, generally you can have a better tank even with some equip slots filled Speed is also a nonfactor with aim assist turned to the max which locks on until you die and with TTK being so short it doesnt matter plus the speed factor is quite low anyways
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2507	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:47:00 - [42] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Anarchide wrote: A true Logi is doing those every other things that are not slaying. One-dimensional-minded slayers need to STFU [...]why don't the one-dimensional-minded medics have to?? The thing you speak of does not exist! Level 2 Forum Warrior Hate Lord
m twiggz Eternal Beings 154	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:51:00 - [43] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: m twiggz wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP is a assault logi tryhard Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective Logi > assault currently You're wrong. I did a complete comparison of load outs for the Logistic ck.0 and Assault ck.0 ( HERE ). Both suits I have, proto level, all core skills lvl 5, weapon/prof level 5, etc. The assault variant is a FAR better slayer than my logi. The added speed and sidearm makes up for the on average 50-100 less EHP the assault suit has than the logistics variant. This differs per racial suits, at a very small margin. No logistic suit has a "god-mode" or clear cut advantage to the assault variant when it comes to slaying. Do your homework next time you go talking about something you obviously know nothing about. I try not to troll, but your blatant stupidity needs to be corrected. Stop being a ****** You picked caldari suits I use amarr so far and the logi has a sidearm plus if your going assult a lazer rifle is best because of the bonus, or you dont use the bonus to lazer so you might aswell get another suit Logi also has no slots filled, generally you can have a better tank even with some equip slots filled Speed is also a nonfactor with aim assist turned to the max which locks on until you die and with TTK being so short it doesnt matter plus the speed factor is quite low anyways Your ignorance baffles me. You're right, I'm wrong. Woe is me.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 317	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:51:00 - [44] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". Ever since I have had the pleasure of playing with you I have seen you do nothing but perform your assigned role to the best of its abilities in the context of the fight. I find this new push for the Logi-bros to be nerved, especially in this thread by Logi Bro just goes to upset me. Much the same as the name calling is effecting you Babar. Here is what I recommend people do in this act we are now calling GÇ£defining the logisticGÇÖs roleGÇ¥ in any battle or corp: SUPPORT your TEAM and your SQUAD to accomplish the battlefield objectives, I.E., WIN, SURVIVE, and PROSPER. The role of a logistics is to provide a walking options depot for the members of their squad and to provide additional assistance to their team as the situation dictates the necessity and the availability to do so. Myself, since the entrance of the Amarr medium class suits have been an Amarr logi, worth the occasional reversion back to my Caldari roots of assault class. So what does that mean? Well my way of supporting my squad and team is both with options and additional killing power. I was assault originally so it only makes sense that history would shade my perception and implementation of logistics in the field. And that is in conjunction with the shifting conditions of battlefield necessity. We may begin with a specialization, but all of those that have this erroneous delusion that because I support my squad, my team, and ultimately my corp that I need to be hamstrung because of my ability to effectively utilize my skill selection choices to the advantage of my brothers and sisters in battle is just a ridiculous. Why donGÇÖt they learn to be more effective in the field and better negotiate their role in respective groups given the circumstances of the situations they find themselves in? Babar, keep doing what you are doing and I look forward to seeing you in battler once again. Frustration or no!
m twiggz Eternal Beings 154	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:57:00 - [45] - Quote Anarchide wrote: A true Logi is doing those every other things that are not slaying. One-dimensional-minded slayers need to STFU Out of a friendly sake of argument, why isn't slaying the enemy considered a support role? Wouldn't killing enemies near an objective or near your squad/team be supporting them? If your team is down by clones, wouldn't killing enemies to equal the clone count be supporting your team towards a win? I'm by no means defending the assaultlogi, but it makes sense that slaying enemies should be part of the "support" role logistic players should fill. Clones play a pivotal part of winning battles in this game. If I can take out enemies as well as revive fallen teammates, wouldn't that be more of a support role than just brining up fallen teammates?
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 317	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:58:00 - [46] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: IMO, if you prioritize support equipment when building your suits that pretty much qualifies you. If you wanted to get technical, a kill/WP ratio greater than 100 (mines like 160, lol) might be a decent objective criteria. That more or less indicates that 1/2 your WP comes from something besides killing. We don't need to be pacifists, but killing shouldn't be more than 50-75% of our business. Why the necessity to quantify things? It doesnGÇÖt speak to any more truth or credibility than the use of your subjective interpretation of those results. Why shouldGÇÖt I be able to slay and support my brothers and sisters? You apparently like living the smallest possible box you can construct for yourself. I, on the other hand, have no desire to be confines. That is why I CHOSE to become a merc and shed the coils of a single mortal body.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1128	Posted - 2013.11.18 19:04:00 - [47] - Quote There is no "true logi" While they are the best fitted to do so, the Logistics class was designed to be versatile, not a "GFT in the back and rep me and give us ammo" class. The "true logi" argument is something spawn by people who think that the Logistics should be nothing buy 100% medics. And this is coming from someone who uses their logistics suit for triage. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2507	Posted - 2013.11.18 19:14:00 - [48] - Quote A True Logi will nail his/her* nuts sack to the ground to save his/her* teammates Yes, female logi carries spare parts too, to fix gear on the field Level 2 Forum Warrior* Hate Lord
Ku Shala Exiled Veteran Elite 654	Posted - 2013.11.18 19:44:00 - [49] - Quote who dictated these roles if I want to use my logi suit to kill clones or use my scout suit to rep who gives a berry First General of Exiled Veteran Elite Loyalty Is not always rewarded Serving Caldari State
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 966	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:05:00 - [50] - Quote If you play your first couple of matches in dust as a sniper, you will always be a sniper in the mind of people. Probabily you have been assault for a long time and now nobody believes you are a logi. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners

R F Gyro Clones 4u 631	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:12:00 - [51] - Quote "True logi" is one who doesn't want their support playstyle gimped in a CCP over-reaction to the (perceived/real) ability of logi suits to out-perform assault suits in the assault role? Dunno. I wouldn't use the term "true logi" myself. "Assault logi" and "support logi" work for me; makes the distinction clear without denigrating either approach. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2204	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:15:00 - [52] - Quote note to self: *** off Barbar by calling him a tryhard* Nothing wrong with being a logissault. It's CCP's fault for not making actual assaults more appealing. However a "true" logi runs an exile at best. Not to toot my own horn, but I was at 16million sp before I put a single point in handheld weapons. Up until then it was a Toxin & REs at best. No.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 765	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:17:00 - [53] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". on my amrian depending on how i wanna run my suit it require a complex cpu and pg module either both or one ..its pretty stupid..as an amarian it pulls from my tank sadly... let them qq the assault logi qq holds no water
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:23:00 - [54] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to ** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". Well clearly you aren't a true logi True Logi's don't have an equipment loadout that fits all ... they have different equipment loadouts for different situations eg If your attacking a point or in Dom/Ambush you want to start off with :- Uplinks/Nanohives/Scanner .. Give your team/squad a frontline with ammo and scan for enemies If your defending a point :- Injector/Repper/Repair Hive to maximise repping or replace the rep hive for a scanner to make sure you are reviving people in safety if you combine those 2 loadouts you can basically have uplinks/nanohives/repair nanohives/injector and repper at the frontlines You can also combine with remote explosives on objectives etc etc The key point here is a true logi changes the equipment they use based on the equipment of their squad/team and the situation they are in .. the fact that you referred to the hives you use ' I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself'** indicates that you aren't a true logi .. I run rep hives and a repper/injector because it acts as a stationary rep area for my squad / team to go to if i am otherwise engaged eg reviving a fallen comrade/repping someone else/dead .. if the main reason you run equipment is to benefit you then you don't have the mindset of a logi and are infact an assault logi I often switch my equipment out at a supply depot because the situation on the battlefield changes and I need to support my team in a different way PS Using an injector and only a triage hive really makes no sense .. Triage Hives have a limit in the number that can be placed which means you restrict yourself to the number of people you can revive and repair // Restrict your own range of being able to revive and rep people .. My Theme
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 172	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:24:00 - [55] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". A true logi must have no gun game! lol, jk. but seriously, why do you care what those tools think? If I don't get at least 2 hate mail per day I feel like I'm not doing good enough.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 203	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:39:00 - [56] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off. - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)). This line is what you are not a "true logi" Babar, no offense intended obviously. This line in your though make me think that you are a "Teamplayer" but you don't want to gimp yourself for the team. As a Heavy ( class that NEED logibro to shine) a core repper or a proto Hive make the difference for me, on how and for what time i can defend a point. Having a Logibro on my back help me in my push on Letters and Enemy holdings If we want to use a catch phrase: For Ass.Logibro: First come myself, then the team. For true Logibro: First the team, then myself just my 0.2 ISK ...and may the FORGE be with you.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1952	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:39:00 - [57] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to ** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". Well clearly you aren't a true logi True Logi's don't have an equipment loadout that fits all ... they have different equipment loadouts for different situations eg If your attacking a point or in Dom/Ambush you want to start off with :- Uplinks/Nanohives/Scanner .. Give your team/squad a frontline with ammo and scan for enemies If your defending a point :- Injector/Repper/Repair Hive to maximise repping or replace the rep hive for a scanner to make sure you are reviving people in safety if you combine those 2 loadouts you can basically have uplinks/nanohives/repair nanohives/injector and repper at the frontlines You can also combine with remote explosives on objectives etc etc The key point here is a true logi changes the equipment they use based on the equipment of their squad/team and the situation they are in .. the fact that you referred to the hives you use ' I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself'** indicates that you aren't a true logi .. I run rep hives and a repper/injector because it acts as a stationary rep area for my squad / team to go to if i am otherwise engaged eg reviving a fallen comrade/repping someone else/dead .. if the main reason you run equipment is to benefit you then you don't have the mindset of a logi and are infact an assault logi .. nothing wrong with that but you did ask how to be a true logi I often switch my equipment out at a supply depot because the situation on the battlefield changes and I need to support my team in a different way Get out of the mindset of making a perfect equipment loadout .. there isn't one ... create a variety to cover various situations .. the real trick is to know what equipment to use in what situation .. PS Using an injector and only a triage hive really makes no sense .. Triage Hives have a limit in the number that can be placed which means you restrict yourself to the number of people you can revive and repair // Restrict your own range of being able to revive and rep people .. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79304&find=unread If you want to know the true art of a logibro read this thread it's the ultimate guide for logibro's I don't pull out 15 different fittings in a match. I coordinate with my squad mates to make sure we've got everything covered. A few tweaks to everyone's fit and you are good to go. The beauty of this game is the combinations one can run with their suit. It just so happens that the logi suit is capable of more, but that was clear for anyone that can read for plenty of time for folks to choose their suit. The assault and scout suits need to be better. We don't need to make logi suits worse. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 417	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:48:00 - [58] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: IMO, if you prioritize support equipment when building your suits that pretty much qualifies you. If you wanted to get technical, a kill/WP ratio greater than 100 (mines like 160, lol) might be a decent objective criteria. That more or less indicates that 1/2 your WP comes from something besides killing. We don't need to be pacifists, but killing shouldn't be more than 50-75% of our business. Why the necessity to quantify things? It doesnGÇÖt speak to any more truth or credibility than the use of your subjective interpretation of those results. Why shouldGÇÖt I be able to slay and support my brothers and sisters? You apparently like living the smallest possible box you can construct for yourself. I, on the other hand, have no desire to be confines. That is why I CHOSE to become a merc and shed the coils of a single mortal body. You misunderstand. He wanted a definition, I gave him a possible definition; people like maths to prove points in this game so it seemed appropriate. Personally I think if you prioritize equipment and have few or no fits that have open equipment slots, you're good in my book. Besides, saying that at least 1/4 of your points should come from something besides kills is hardly restrictive! (My only restriction is that I do not have world class gungame so for me to go in Rambo style is a bad idea. I need a pretty big box to hold my 30 different fits including sniper load out, bomber load out, CQC load out, AV load out, infiltrator load out, etc.) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Galthur CrimeWave Syndicate 153	Posted - 2013.11.19 17:17:00 - [59] - Quote Someone who still uses the Skinweave Assault
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 139	Posted - 2013.11.19 18:08:00 - [60] - Quote There are many ways to support a team. The problem with logi is that most of the community locks it into doing one thing (medic).Thats pretty much most of the communities idea of logi.Then you have the bend over support players who follow the communities idea of logi and bash other because they don't bend over like them.Then you have the assault babies that cry if anything other then assaults kill them or your not shinning their Ars. Last time I checked there is no logi only equipment.Logi Suit also have racial bonuses that player spec around.But like other games the dps always want support to server them their way.How ever you want to support your team as a logi is fine with me .This is supposed to be a sandbox game no one's going to tell me what to do with my sand.Its you sp ,your time invested and if you us aur , your money. SO +1 STFU to bendover logi who look down on other support type logis. +1 STFU to Assault who cry about ever logi not running all medic role. +1 STFU to Assaults who cry about logi players messing up their k/d. And +10 STFU to any scouts and heavys(non medic logi complaints)because you have enough problems.

Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 149	Posted - 2013.11.19 18:22:00 - [61] - Quote I run amarr login with AScR, std needle, repper, adv scanner, and nothing but shield extenders in highs and plates and one repper in the lows. I do my best to keep everyone up and full armor, but there's no point in reviving someone if the person who killed them is right there. To quote my doc from my time in the Marines, "The best way I can help you guys out is to kill the enemy. Can't do **** if they keep shooting at us."
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 16	Posted - 2013.11.19 18:35:00 - [62] - Quote I am a retired heavy who is seeking a new career in logi work atm. currently I run as my set up 1 dren logistics suit ( basic mini logistics suit) constant mods. high slots 2 enhanced shield extenders low 2 enhanced armour extenders gun dren assault rifle variable's for the lows 1 advanced uplink - 1 standard needle - 1 standard rep tool 1 advanced nano - 1 standard needle - 1 standard rep tool 1 advanced uplink - 1 standard uplink - 1 militia uplink 1 advanced nano - 1 basic rep/ammo nano - 1 basic ammo being an ex heavy and waiting for the new guns to come out I have no skills in AR but my core skills in EHP are maxed out. I find myself doing about 75% support work and 25% ground and pound. I know currently my equipment is of a poor lvl, but if I I inject you ill rep you fully before I move on to the next man and you will be grateful. I will choose the set up for what I deem is most needed at the time. if I die and we need a heavy to push for an objective I will dust off that suit to make sure we get it. I know its not likely but I hope we do get a respect as I am really enjoying playing the support role. funnily enough I find the logi suit as above with a dren AR and no skills is better 75% of the time than the HMG heavy suit because of the layout of the maps.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 318	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:41:00 - [63] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to ** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". Well clearly you aren't a true logi True Logi's don't have an equipment loadout that fits all ... they have different equipment loadouts for different situations eg If your attacking a point or in Dom/Ambush you want to start off with :- Uplinks/Nanohives/Scanner .. Give your team/squad a frontline with ammo and scan for enemies If your defending a point :- Injector/Repper/Repair Hive to maximise repping or replace the rep hive for a scanner to make sure you are reviving people in safety if you combine those 2 loadouts you can basically have uplinks/nanohives/repair nanohives/injector and repper at the frontlines You can also combine with remote explosives on objectives etc etc The key point here is a true logi changes the equipment they use based on the equipment of their squad/team and the situation they are in .. the fact that you referred to the hives you use ' I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself'** indicates that you aren't a true logi .. I run rep hives and a repper/injector because it acts as a stationary rep area for my squad / team to go to if i am otherwise engaged eg reviving a fallen comrade/repping someone else/dead .. if the main reason you run equipment is to benefit you then you don't have the mindset of a logi and are infact an assault logi .. nothing wrong with that but you did ask how to be a true logi I often switch my equipment out at a supply depot because the situation on the battlefield changes and I need to support my team in a different way Get out of the mindset of making a perfect equipment loadout .. there isn't one ... create a variety to cover various situations .. the real trick is to know what equipment to use in what situation .. PS Using an injector and only a triage hive really makes no sense .. Triage Hives have a limit in the number that can be placed which means you restrict yourself to the number of people you can revive and repair // Restrict your own range of being able to revive and rep people .. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79304&find=unread If you want to know the true art of a logibro read this thread it's the ultimate guide for logibro's OK, I see that you attempt to don the name of a sociopolitical philosopher and think you are Jesus christ and are here to lead the crusade of the GÇ£true logi.GÇ¥ You sound like the preacher of some bent and perverted religion. Sweet? How about keep you opinions as such and you judgements where the need to be; they are emanating from your arse. Who made you the expert of what a logi supposed to be? Have you been in every match with Babar or any other logi in EVE? Most likely not. Now please get off there soap box with the ret of the blow-hards and lunatics. Adults are playing.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 318	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:44:00 - [64] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: I run amarr login with AScR, std needle, repper, adv scanner, and nothing but shield extenders in highs and plates and one repper in the lows. I do my best to keep everyone up and full armor, but there's no point in reviving someone if the person who killed them is right there. To quote my doc from my time in the Marines, "The best way I can help you guys out is to kill the enemy. Can't do **** if they keep shooting at us." My god, now this is gospel!
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 120	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:50:00 - [65] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". A true logi is someone that will always revive someone / give them ammo/Scan/Repair someone INSTEAD of getting a kill. A true logi ends up with a balanced amount of kills (say 6 to 20 kills per game) but insanely high amounts of WP. Irvine Montigo, a Logi in our corp runs 3000+ WP per game , EVERY game,even if he goes 6-4 /5-5 and so on K-D per game.Hes a True logi, always spamming Uplinks,scans,repairing everyone,running insane distances only to give ammo to a redline sniper ,repairing assets,reviving Everyone and staing in front of the line of fire so he gets killed and not the person he revived...... etc.... TRUE logi. ''I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task'' you are a Murderlogi. Your priority IS NOT YOUR TEAMS/BLUE DOTS. Nothing to be ashmed of, Its just the FOTM and the best way to kill in everyones opinion........
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 318	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:01:00 - [66] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: There are many ways to support a team. The problem with logi is that most of the community locks it into doing one thing (medic).Thats pretty much most of the communities idea of logi.Then you have the bend over support players who follow the communities idea of logi and bash other because they don't bend over like them.Then you have the assault babies that cry if anything other then assaults kill them or your not shinning their Ars. Last time I checked there is no logi only equipment.Logi Suit also have racial bonuses that player spec around.But like other games the dps always want support to server them their way.How ever you want to support your team as a logi is fine with me .This is supposed to be a sandbox game no one's going to tell me what to do with my sand.Its you sp ,your time invested and if you us aur , your money. SO +1 STFU to bendover logi who look down on other support type logis. +1 STFU to Assault who cry about ever logi not running all medic role. +1 STFU to Assaults who cry about logi players messing up their k/d. And +10 STFU to any scouts and heavys(non medic logi complaints)because you have enough problems. Well Tek Hound, I have ben trying to say the same thing, but the elegance of the simplicity of this statement is truly inspiring. BUMP and a +10 STFU to all of the above. Being logi is like Burger King. IGÇÖll have it MY way Right Away. SO STFU!
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 902	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:09:00 - [67] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Mregomies wrote: I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Your a true logi in my eyes -P True Logi in my eyes too. Logi's creed? Support first, fire second "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 467	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:12:00 - [68] - Quote Logistics is battlefield supply. So long as your providing for the front line in terms of equipment then that fulfils the criteria. It doesn't exclude any equipment or your ability to fight as well. Essentially an assault player can also provide these things but obviously in a more limited fashion. I have fittings with rep tools, RE's and a soon an injector (waiting for proto - I can't stand ppl who purposely use the standard / militia. Its not fair on the guy you pick up) and I always try to be generous with the hives. Plus I don't benefit from the more advanced RE's but they still do the job I think its also about placement. Just spamming hives everywhere is not helping the team (especially when its not where the fighting is going on) . It just provides more points to the enemy with a well placed flux / sleek locus / OB "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1409	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:19:00 - [69] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: KingBabar wrote: Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". A true logi is someone that will always revive someone / give them ammo/Scan/Repair someone INSTEAD of getting a kill. A true logi ends up with a balanced amount of kills (say 6 to 20 kills per game) but insanely high amounts of WP. Irvine Montigo, a Logi in our corp runs 3000+ WP per game , EVERY game,even if he goes 6-4 /5-5 and so on K-D per game.Hes a True logi, always spamming Uplinks,scans,repairing everyone,running insane distances only to give ammo to a redline sniper ,repairing assets,reviving Everyone and staing in front of the line of fire so he gets killed and not the person he revived...... etc.... TRUE logi. ''I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task'' you are a Murderlogi. Your priority IS NOT YOUR TEAMS/BLUE DOTS. Nothing to be ashmed of, Its just the FOTM and the best way to kill in everyones opinion........ Well I have one logi suit and is currently speccing into my second Assault suit so no, if I want to run as a slayer I'm not bringing my slow logi suit to Battle, my Assault suits do that job a lot better. And calling my role for FOTM is kind of weird, I've been playing it for 10 months now.... I don't want any logis that can't handle a gun, not in my corp, especially not in CBs. Throwing Down some uplinks, chubbychasing With a repair tool etc is such an easy job that everyone should be able to do it. Doing that while balancing it With slaying at the same time do takes some skill, being a slayer in a logi suit filled with the best possible equipment will gimp Your suit in terms of ehp and dps, it puts you at a dissadvantage to every Assault suit out there. Those are the guys that are "true logis" in my book. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
FAKIR REDETTa Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:40:00 - [70] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off. So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do: I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup: - Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit. So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP. (For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..). I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO. So I ask the community: Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ. Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". Chuck Norris

Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 110	Posted - 2013.11.20 07:58:00 - [71] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: Mregomies wrote: I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Your a true logi in my eyes -P True Logi in my eyes too. Logi's creed? Support first, fire second We aren't saying you shouldn't shoot people. You have a gun, use it dangit. But at the same time, you shouldn't be choosing kills over supporting your team. If you see a wounded enemy to your left and a wounded heavy to your right, I expect you to choose to repair the heavy every time rather than trying to chase down an easy kill. It's a fine line, but a good support logi can be a downright EFFECTIVE teammate. Between helping the frontlines push up by giving the squad repair and ammo support, and even taking down an enemy or two. TL;DR You should build your logi kit around the idea that supporting your team comes before killing people. I shouldn't be seeing a Logi running tons of damage mods and a proto weapon and then running basic equipment. You have the slots and CPU for the good stuff, let the assaults throw on the cheap equipment and the good guns. You should be running the best equipment and whatever weapon you can throw on there. Had fun with beercase m8's :) 1 battle was 1kill/2deaths but almost 3000 WP, I supported squadleader (heavy forge). I enjoy more giving the goldenshower than melting faces with my lazer. Another thing is that if I want to go kill mercs, I use MLT minniscout, pistol and RE... so much fun! Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
FAKIR REDETTa Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.11.20 08:06:00 - [72] - Quote Mregomies wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: Mregomies wrote: I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Your a true logi in my eyes -P True Logi in my eyes too. Logi's creed? Support first, fire second We aren't saying you shouldn't shoot people. You have a gun, use it dangit. But at the same time, you shouldn't be choosing kills over supporting your team. If you see a wounded enemy to your left and a wounded heavy to your right, I expect you to choose to repair the heavy every time rather than trying to chase down an easy kill. It's a fine line, but a good support logi can be a downright EFFECTIVE teammate. Between helping the frontlines push up by giving the squad repair and ammo support, and even taking down an enemy or two. TL;DR You should build your logi kit around the idea that supporting your team comes before killing people. I shouldn't be seeing a Logi running tons of damage mods and a proto weapon and then running basic equipment. You have the slots and CPU for the good stuff, let the assaults throw on the cheap equipment and the good guns. You should be running the best equipment and whatever weapon you can throw on there. Had fun with beercase m8's :) 1 battle was 1kill/2deaths but almost 3000 WP, I supported squadleader (heavy forge). I enjoy more giving the goldenshower than melting faces with my lazer. Another thing is that if I want to go kill mercs, I use MLT minniscout, pistol and RE... so much fun! wat is golden shower ? is it some kin of therapy to wash joo greed greediness ?
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 110	Posted - 2013.11.20 08:10:00 - [73] - Quote FAKIR REDETTa wrote: Mregomies wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: Mregomies wrote: I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Your a true logi in my eyes -P True Logi in my eyes too. Logi's creed? Support first, fire second We aren't saying you shouldn't shoot people. You have a gun, use it dangit. But at the same time, you shouldn't be choosing kills over supporting your team. If you see a wounded enemy to your left and a wounded heavy to your right, I expect you to choose to repair the heavy every time rather than trying to chase down an easy kill. It's a fine line, but a good support logi can be a downright EFFECTIVE teammate. Between helping the frontlines push up by giving the squad repair and ammo support, and even taking down an enemy or two. TL;DR You should build your logi kit around the idea that supporting your team comes before killing people. I shouldn't be seeing a Logi running tons of damage mods and a proto weapon and then running basic equipment. You have the slots and CPU for the good stuff, let the assaults throw on the cheap equipment and the good guns. You should be running the best equipment and whatever weapon you can throw on there. Had fun with beercase m8's :) 1 battle was 1kill/2deaths but almost 3000 WP, I supported squadleader (heavy forge). I enjoy more giving the goldenshower than melting faces with my lazer. Another thing is that if I want to go kill mercs, I use MLT minniscout, pistol and RE... so much fun! wat is golden shower ? is it some kin of therapy to wash joo greed greediness ? Repair tool... proto-one... with dual channel... mmm... glorious golden shower... Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
FAKIR REDETTa Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.11.20 08:27:00 - [74] - Quote i realy dont think tha ammar enjoy Golden shower much but for gallente it must be their greatest joy of getting a golden shower due to the fact of their immoral promiscuous pervert ideology and having lots of armor .
Import Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 56	Posted - 2013.11.20 08:53:00 - [75] - Quote To Mregomies Teamwork. We win or we lose together. Mrego you are welcome to join our squad if you are bored. We need more support troops. ATM you are one of the best we have had running with us. I would like to see more players going in logi mind like you. "If at first you don't succeed, mccdiving is not for you." Take me drunk, I'm home
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 112	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:53:00 - [76] - Quote Import Beercase wrote: To Mregomies Teamwork. We win or we lose together. Mrego you are welcome to join our squad if you are bored. We need more support troops. ATM you are one of the best we have had running with us. I would like to see more players going in logi mind like you. Thank you for the kind words! Tonight is the night. We will cause mayhem! I'm in again around 21 local time. And you, beercase dudes, are so laid back and relaxed in squadcomm. It's hard not to LMAO and wake up wife/kids. Let's take beer and enjoy! Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
FAKIR REDETTa Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.11.20 09:54:00 - [77] - Quote Nerfffffff it logis so op
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 905	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:33:00 - [78] - Quote Mregomies wrote: Import Beercase wrote: To Mregomies Teamwork. We win or we lose together. Mrego you are welcome to join our squad if you are bored. We need more support troops. ATM you are one of the best we have had running with us. I would like to see more players going in logi mind like you. Thank you for the kind words! Tonight is the night. We will cause mayhem! I'm in again around 21 local time. And you, beercase dudes, are so laid back and relaxed in squadcomm. It's hard not to LMAO and wake up wife/kids. Let's take beer and enjoy! Got room for one bastardly Minmatar Scout? "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 278	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:53:00 - [79] - Quote I started logi, however I switched to assault in uprising because like you I am a much more aggressive player. I prioritize kills and out maneuvering my opponent. That's pretty much the job description of an assault player. I would define a true logi as a versatile logistics soldier, putting the team above themselves and making sure his/her squad is in prime condition to do battle. When I was a logi in chromo I was mainly training to be a pilot, I had all my skills in drop ships and vehicles. Since they were so expensive I spent a lot of time on the ground in starter fits. Most of the time I was at half armor praying that my reps were enough to keep the soldier next to me alive long enough to push the enemy back so I could run and pick up a teammate and rep them back up. Dropping ammo to keep them all well supplied since they had better skills and equipment and I could focus on keeping everyone alive. I think the term logibro is better than true logi, you know that a logibro is gonna fight to keep you alive, and in turn you feel a bro duty to keep him alive. If you ask me, it sounds like your playing more assault than logi. If I were still playing logi I would gladly sacrifice my personal tank/weapon if it meant better equipment to keep my squad going, my priority would be making sure they are getting kills and being aggressive. While the enemy wonders why they can't kill my squad. Logibros have indeed lost their way
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 227	Posted - 2013.11.20 16:13:00 - [80] - Quote True logi: A support player that provides healing and ammunition to those on the front lines (heavies and assaults) while also being able to defend themselves/holdings when needed. Their main job is to keep teammates alive and as close to the frontlines as possible. Realizes that they will never gain the glory and/or recognition of frontline slayers but are frequently the most valuable member of a team. Dust logi A: An overpowered slayer build that can perform better than assault builds while carrying more equipment. If an enemy actually gets close enough to where you rue not having a sidearm, you're doing it wrong. Dust logi B: A collection of logi suits that allows for uplink/nanohive spamming to rake in WPs with little effort. Slows the game down for all other players. Dust logi C: Does their intended job and turns the tide of battle in their side's favor. Life is killing me.



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