i dont see anything wrong here in that description aside from the fact i struggle having that much HP with my proto minnie assault without dropping some damagers. Because if i add damage mods i'm bound to use fitting modules too.

But hell. That's not the issue. Issue is when dudes just scrub the equipments and fill themselves of proto mods like a giant christmas tree. And i'm pretty sure there's a way to let guys like you keep playing like you do without hurting your kill power while still preventing people from using logis as full tanks\DPS.

Those hurts you as much as they hurt use imo.

First of I'd like you to elaborate on your first statement, just tossing it out there isn't doing much for your "argument".

Secondly I'd like to know why you've been negative towards me on these forums for the last half year or so. In almost every thread I make you come in and say something negative, I doubt that it all comes from dissagreeing with me. What did I do to earn this hostility?

And thirdly, we compare proto suits vs protosuits, not enhanced vs enhanced, at least its common practice on these forums. The Amar assault suit is currently the best run and gun suit due to the Scrambler rifle receiving its bonus. The gun is insanely good even without the bonus, with it its borderlining OP. Yes the Logi suit reps better and has the equipment slots, all the assault suit has is its overheat bonus, but what a damned fine bonus it is!

I've talked to guys claiming that the Amar logi isn't neccissarily better than the assault, they're merely different. Its even been written in one of my previous threads, I believe it was by Mortadelo.

It's an easy fix in my opinion.

1.) Remove the 10% across the board buff to weapon damage.
2.) Give assault suits damage bonuses to their racial weapon
3.) Increase the speed of the scout and assault suits to increase the speed gap.

Like someone else said, change the name (although logistics doesn't mean medic in any language I'm aware of) like someone else mentioned. I think the Eve pilots are the ones that started all this mess as logistics ships in Eve are pure support only.

If somewhere down the line when we have 100 vs. 100 or whatever I can see a logistics suit being pure support, but it's not possible with 16 vs 16. It's certainly not possible without a respec as there are far more logistics suits out there than any other suit. I have about 5.2 million invested in logi suits and I want no part of not being able to kill.

Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off.

So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do:

I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup:

- Proto Scanner
- Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16))
- Enhanced medkit.

So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP.

(For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..).

I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO.

So I ask the community:

Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ.

Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough".

OP is a assault logi tryhard


Anyways i have advanaced amarr assult and logi suits

The logi is 3/3 n 3equip slots where as the assault is 2/2/1equip

Now the assault seems to suck unless you use the SCR but since the ASCR doesnt overheat on a logi suit then you dont need the assault suit either tbh unless you go with the normal SCR, but the 2/2 means you either go all tank or all gank, ive tried a mixture of all sorts but my logi beats my assault hands down due to more slots/pg/cpu so more to fit and plus i help my team out so much more as a logi

Plus my logi can be tanked alot more or even ganked while fitting tools on such as a scanner/rep and hives so im more effective

Logi > assault currently

A true Logi is doing those every other things that are not slaying.

One-dimensional-minded slayers need to STFU

Easy solution: Switch high/low slot layout of every racial assault and their corresponsing logi while retaining the CPU/PG allocation for both.

Then assaults can be versatile in assaulting (by the use of different type of mod combos), and logis can be versatile with equipment.

Never ask for someone not you call you something which you dont like, so quiet assault logi tryhard who spams nades

Hostile, you think this is hostile? lolno stop being such a girl

Proto suit i dont really care, adv is a good point for me having both it gives me a insight to the proto and if adv logi is beating adv suit then it may carry on into proto tho proto amarr ass goes 3/3 where logi gain 1 low slot but 5hp/sec which is 1 slot less used

Overall proto vs proto the logi suit is winning these days, they fill the slots up with proto and the equipment is left bare or maybe a the odd thing to benefit them like a scanner and hives but forget the rep or needle

Its not OP, ASCR doesnt overheat at adv anyways, proto it may do and thus be better with the proto suit but i stomp with adv anyways

Only thing which is OP is the aim assist which is more like auto aim

1. fine also reduce OP aim assist i means autoaim
2. fine
3. fine

In EVE most fleet setups have logi ships but they have no guns just pure logi to rep and help the pure dmg ships

Now in DUST a FPS would this no gun setup work for logi? lolno i dont think anyone would except it hence why they have no sidearm, maybe give them just a sidearm but then ppl complain they cant long range fight then

You're wrong. I did a complete comparison of load outs for the Logistic ck.0 and Assault ck.0 ( HERE ). Both suits I have, proto level, all core skills lvl 5, weapon/prof level 5, etc. The assault variant is a FAR better slayer than my logi. The added speed and sidearm makes up for the on average 50-100 less EHP the assault suit has than the logistics variant. This differs per racial suits, at a very small margin. No logistic suit has a "god-mode" or clear cut advantage to the assault variant when it comes to slaying.

Do your homework next time you go talking about something you obviously know nothing about. I try not to troll, but your blatant stupidity needs to be corrected.

[...]why don't the one-dimensional-minded medics have to??

Stop being a ******

You picked caldari suits

I use amarr so far and the logi has a sidearm plus if your going assult a lazer rifle is best because of the bonus, or you dont use the bonus to lazer so you might aswell get another suit

Logi also has no slots filled, generally you can have a better tank even with some equip slots filled

Speed is also a nonfactor with aim assist turned to the max which locks on until you die and with TTK being so short it doesnt matter plus the speed factor is quite low anyways

Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off.

So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do:

I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup:

- Proto Scanner
- Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16))
- Enhanced medkit.

So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP.

(For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..).

I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO.

So I ask the community:

Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ.

Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough".

A true Logi is doing those every other things that are not slaying.

One-dimensional-minded slayers need to STFU

IMO, if you prioritize support equipment when building your suits that pretty much qualifies you. If you wanted to get technical, a kill/WP ratio greater than 100 (mines like 160, lol) might be a decent objective criteria. That more or less indicates that 1/2 your WP comes from something besides killing. We don't need to be pacifists, but killing shouldn't be more than 50-75% of our business.

Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off.

So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do:

I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup:

- Proto Scanner
- Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16))
- Enhanced medkit.

So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP.

(For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..).

I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO.

So I ask the community:

Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ.

Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough".

Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off.

So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do:

I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup:

- Proto Scanner
- Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16))
- Enhanced medkit.

So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP.

(For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..).

I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO.

So I ask the community:

Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ.

Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough".

Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough".

Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off.

- Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)).

Well clearly you aren't a true logi

True Logi's don't have an equipment loadout that fits all ... they have different equipment loadouts for different situations

eg If your attacking a point or in Dom/Ambush you want to start off with :-

Uplinks/Nanohives/Scanner .. Give your team/squad a frontline with ammo and scan for enemies

If your defending a point :-

Injector/Repper/Repair Hive to maximise repping or replace the rep hive for a scanner to make sure you are reviving people in safety

if you combine those 2 loadouts you can basically have uplinks/nanohives/repair nanohives/injector and repper at the frontlines

You can also combine with remote explosives on objectives etc etc

The key point here is a true logi changes the equipment they use based on the equipment of their squad/team and the situation they are in .. the fact that you referred to the hives you use ' I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself' indicates that you aren't a true logi .. I run rep hives and a repper/injector because it acts as a stationary rep area for my squad / team to go to if i am otherwise engaged eg reviving a fallen comrade/repping someone else/dead .. if the main reason you run equipment is to benefit you then you don't have the mindset of a logi and are infact an assault logi .. nothing wrong with that but you did ask how to be a true logi

I often switch my equipment out at a supply depot because the situation on the battlefield changes and I need to support my team in a different way

Get out of the mindset of making a perfect equipment loadout .. there isn't one ... create a variety to cover various situations .. the real trick is to know what equipment to use in what situation ..

PS Using an injector and only a triage hive really makes no sense .. Triage Hives have a limit in the number that can be placed which means you restrict yourself to the number of people you can revive and repair // Restrict your own range of being able to revive and rep people ..

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79304&find=unread If you want to know the true art of a logibro read this thread it's the ultimate guide for logibro's

Why the necessity to quantify things? It doesnGÇÖt speak to any more truth or credibility than the use of your subjective interpretation of those results.

Why shouldGÇÖt I be able to slay and support my brothers and sisters? You apparently like living the smallest possible box you can construct for yourself.

I, on the other hand, have no desire to be confines. That is why I CHOSE to become a merc and shed the coils of a single mortal body.