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Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:22:00 -
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I run amarr login with AScR, std needle, repper, adv scanner, and nothing but shield extenders in highs and plates and one repper in the lows. I do my best to keep everyone up and full armor, but there's no point in reviving someone if the person who killed them is right there.
To quote my doc from my time in the Marines, "The best way I can help you guys out is to kill the enemy. Can't do **** if they keep shooting at us." |
taxi bastard
Minor Trueblood
16
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:35:00 -
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I am a retired heavy who is seeking a new career in logi work atm.
currently I run as my set up
1 dren logistics suit ( basic mini logistics suit)
constant mods.
high slots
2 enhanced shield extenders
low
2 enhanced armour extenders
gun
dren assault rifle
variable's for the lows
1 advanced uplink - 1 standard needle - 1 standard rep tool
1 advanced nano - 1 standard needle - 1 standard rep tool
1 advanced uplink - 1 standard uplink - 1 militia uplink
1 advanced nano - 1 basic rep/ammo nano - 1 basic ammo
being an ex heavy and waiting for the new guns to come out I have no skills in AR but my core skills in EHP are maxed out. I find myself doing about 75% support work and 25% ground and pound.
I know currently my equipment is of a poor lvl, but if I I inject you ill rep you fully before I move on to the next man and you will be grateful. I will choose the set up for what I deem is most needed at the time. if I die and we need a heavy to push for an objective I will dust off that suit to make sure we get it.
I know its not likely but I hope we do get a respect as I am really enjoying playing the support role. funnily enough I find the logi suit as above with a dren AR and no skills is better 75% of the time than the HMG heavy suit because of the layout of the maps. |
Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
318
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Posted - 2013.11.20 04:41:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:KingBabar wrote:Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off.
So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do:
I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup:
- Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit.
So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP.
(For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..).
I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO.
So I ask the community:
Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ.
Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough". Well clearly you aren't a true logi True Logi's don't have an equipment loadout that fits all ... they have different equipment loadouts for different situations eg If your attacking a point or in Dom/Ambush you want to start off with :- Uplinks/Nanohives/Scanner .. Give your team/squad a frontline with ammo and scan for enemies If your defending a point :- Injector/Repper/Repair Hive to maximise repping or replace the rep hive for a scanner to make sure you are reviving people in safety if you combine those 2 loadouts you can basically have uplinks/nanohives/repair nanohives/injector and repper at the frontlines You can also combine with remote explosives on objectives etc etc The key point here is a true logi changes the equipment they use based on the equipment of their squad/team and the situation they are in .. the fact that you referred to the hives you use ' I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself' indicates that you aren't a true logi .. I run rep hives and a repper/injector because it acts as a stationary rep area for my squad / team to go to if i am otherwise engaged eg reviving a fallen comrade/repping someone else/dead .. if the main reason you run equipment is to benefit you then you don't have the mindset of a logi and are infact an assault logi .. nothing wrong with that but you did ask how to be a true logi I often switch my equipment out at a supply depot because the situation on the battlefield changes and I need to support my team in a different way Get out of the mindset of making a perfect equipment loadout .. there isn't one ... create a variety to cover various situations .. the real trick is to know what equipment to use in what situation .. PS Using an injector and only a triage hive really makes no sense .. Triage Hives have a limit in the number that can be placed which means you restrict yourself to the number of people you can revive and repair // Restrict your own range of being able to revive and rep people .. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79304&find=unread If you want to know the true art of a logibro read this thread it's the ultimate guide for logibro's
OK, I see that you attempt to don the name of a sociopolitical philosopher and think you are Jesus christ and are here to lead the crusade of the GÇ£true logi.GÇ¥ You sound like the preacher of some bent and perverted religion. Sweet?
How about keep you opinions as such and you judgements where the need to be; they are emanating from your arse. Who made you the expert of what a logi supposed to be? Have you been in every match with Babar or any other logi in EVE?
Most likely not. Now please get off there soap box with the ret of the blow-hards and lunatics. Adults are playing. |
Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
318
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Posted - 2013.11.20 04:44:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:I run amarr login with AScR, std needle, repper, adv scanner, and nothing but shield extenders in highs and plates and one repper in the lows. I do my best to keep everyone up and full armor, but there's no point in reviving someone if the person who killed them is right there.
To quote my doc from my time in the Marines, "The best way I can help you guys out is to kill the enemy. Can't do **** if they keep shooting at us."
My god, now this is gospel! |
ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
120
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Posted - 2013.11.20 04:50:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:
Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough".
A true logi is someone that will always revive someone / give them ammo/Scan/Repair someone INSTEAD of getting a kill.
A true logi ends up with a balanced amount of kills (say 6 to 20 kills per game) but insanely high amounts of WP. Irvine Montigo, a Logi in our corp runs 3000+ WP per game , EVERY game,even if he goes 6-4 /5-5 and so on K-D per game.Hes a True logi, always spamming Uplinks,scans,repairing everyone,running insane distances only to give ammo to a redline sniper ,repairing assets,reviving Everyone and staing in front of the line of fire so he gets killed and not the person he revived...... etc.... TRUE logi.
''I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task'' you are a Murderlogi. Your priority IS NOT YOUR TEAMS/BLUE DOTS. Nothing to be ashmed of, Its just the FOTM and the best way to kill in everyones opinion........ |
Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
318
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:01:00 -
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Tek Hound wrote: There are many ways to support a team. The problem with logi is that most of the community locks it into doing one thing (medic). Thats pretty much most of the communities idea of logi. Then you have the bend over support players who follow the communities idea of logi and bash other because they don't bend over like them.Then you have the assault babies that cry if anything other then assaults kill them or your not shinning their Ars. Last time I checked there is no logi only equipment.Logi Suit also have racial bonuses that player spec around.But like other games the dps always want support to server them their way.How ever you want to support your team as a logi is fine with me .This is supposed to be a sandbox game no one's going to tell me what to do with my sand.Its you sp ,your time invested and if you us aur , your money. SO +1 STFU to bendover logi who look down on other support type logis. +1 STFU to Assault who cry about ever logi not running all medic role. +1 STFU to Assaults who cry about logi players messing up their k/d. And +10 STFU to any scouts and heavys(non medic logi complaints)because you have enough problems.
Well Tek Hound, I have ben trying to say the same thing, but the elegance of the simplicity of this statement is truly inspiring.
BUMP and a +10 STFU to all of the above. Being logi is like Burger King. IGÇÖll have it MY way Right Away. SO STFU!
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Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
902
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:09:00 -
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Evolution-7 wrote:Mregomies wrote:I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Your a true logi in my eyes -P
True Logi in my eyes too.
Logi's creed?
Support first, fire second
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance
467
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:12:00 -
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Logistics is battlefield supply. So long as your providing for the front line in terms of equipment then that fulfils the criteria. It doesn't exclude any equipment or your ability to fight as well.
Essentially an assault player can also provide these things but obviously in a more limited fashion. I have fittings with rep tools, RE's and a soon an injector (waiting for proto - I can't stand ppl who purposely use the standard / militia. Its not fair on the guy you pick up) and I always try to be generous with the hives. Plus I don't benefit from the more advanced RE's but they still do the job
I think its also about placement. Just spamming hives everywhere is not helping the team (especially when its not where the fighting is going on) . It just provides more points to the enemy with a well placed flux / sleek locus / OB
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1409
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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:19:00 -
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ACE OF JOKERS wrote:KingBabar wrote:
Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough".
A true logi is someone that will always revive someone / give them ammo/Scan/Repair someone INSTEAD of getting a kill.A true logi ends up with a balanced amount of kills (say 6 to 20 kills per game) but insanely high amounts of WP. Irvine Montigo, a Logi in our corp runs 3000+ WP per game , EVERY game,even if he goes 6-4 /5-5 and so on K-D per game.Hes a True logi, always spamming Uplinks,scans,repairing everyone,running insane distances only to give ammo to a redline sniper ,repairing assets,reviving Everyone and staing in front of the line of fire so he gets killed and not the person he revived...... etc.... TRUE logi.''I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task'' you are a Murderlogi. Your priority IS NOT YOUR TEAMS/BLUE DOTS. Nothing to be ashmed of, Its just the FOTM and the best way to kill in everyones opinion........
Well I have one logi suit and is currently speccing into my second Assault suit so no, if I want to run as a slayer I'm not bringing my slow logi suit to Battle, my Assault suits do that job a lot better. And calling my role for FOTM is kind of weird, I've been playing it for 10 months now....
I don't want any logis that can't handle a gun, not in my corp, especially not in CBs. Throwing Down some uplinks, chubbychasing With a repair tool etc is such an easy job that everyone should be able to do it. Doing that while balancing it With slaying at the same time do takes some skill, being a slayer in a logi suit filled with the best possible equipment will gimp Your suit in terms of ehp and dps, it puts you at a dissadvantage to every Assault suit out there. Those are the guys that are "true logis" in my book.
http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
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FAKIR REDETTa
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:40:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Well I've been called an "assault logi tryhard" too many times now and its starting to **** me off.
So I'd like some input from you guys and girls, this is what I do:
I run the Caldari Logi suit, no secrets there. In any given pub game where I don't use any of my assault suits I stick with this setup:
- Proto Scanner - Allotek nanohives (Gives you either 40 armor or 45 AR bullets per impulse, proto level and insanely expensive to fit (88/16)) - Enhanced medkit.
So since the Cal Logi has "only" 3 equipment slots I do use the allotek hives to get a dual function out of them. I do need to restock my ammo and sometimes rep myself. I normally lay down a hive on top of a dying merc before I revive him as long as he is in decent cover, this way I can use 2 equipment for more or less the same job as I would need 3 for if I were to use a rep tool. The equipment costs 161 CPU and 29 PG to fit which limits my tanking ability and I'm down to 667 HP.
(For CBs the medkit gets exchanged for uplinks and my bunny hop extender are switched to a PG uppgrade, which is stupid, I shouldn't be forced to use 2 low slots for fitting modules just to properly fit my logi suit IMO..).
I don't exactly stay behind my squad, I'm normally very aggressive and up front and attacking/defending/killing is my primary task, I support while I do my soldiering, as any logi should IMO.
So I ask the community:
Am I not a "true logi"? And WTF do you expect me to do? I'm just tired of all the QQ.
Please define what a "true logi" needs to fit and do to be "true enough".
Chuck Norris |
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Mregomies
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
110
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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:58:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Evolution-7 wrote:Mregomies wrote:I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Your a true logi in my eyes -P True Logi in my eyes too. Logi's creed? Support first, fire second We aren't saying you shouldn't shoot people. You have a gun, use it dangit. But at the same time, you shouldn't be choosing kills over supporting your team. If you see a wounded enemy to your left and a wounded heavy to your right, I expect you to choose to repair the heavy every time rather than trying to chase down an easy kill. It's a fine line, but a good support logi can be a downright EFFECTIVE teammate. Between helping the frontlines push up by giving the squad repair and ammo support, and even taking down an enemy or two. TL;DR You should build your logi kit around the idea that supporting your team comes before killing people. I shouldn't be seeing a Logi running tons of damage mods and a proto weapon and then running basic equipment. You have the slots and CPU for the good stuff, let the assaults throw on the cheap equipment and the good guns. You should be running the best equipment and whatever weapon you can throw on there. Had fun with beercase m8's :) 1 battle was 1kill/2deaths but almost 3000 WP, I supported squadleader (heavy forge). I enjoy more giving the goldenshower than melting faces with my lazer. Another thing is that if I want to go kill mercs, I use MLT minniscout, pistol and RE... so much fun!
Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
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FAKIR REDETTa
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.11.20 08:06:00 -
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Mregomies wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Evolution-7 wrote:Mregomies wrote:I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Your a true logi in my eyes -P True Logi in my eyes too. Logi's creed? Support first, fire second We aren't saying you shouldn't shoot people. You have a gun, use it dangit. But at the same time, you shouldn't be choosing kills over supporting your team. If you see a wounded enemy to your left and a wounded heavy to your right, I expect you to choose to repair the heavy every time rather than trying to chase down an easy kill. It's a fine line, but a good support logi can be a downright EFFECTIVE teammate. Between helping the frontlines push up by giving the squad repair and ammo support, and even taking down an enemy or two. TL;DR You should build your logi kit around the idea that supporting your team comes before killing people. I shouldn't be seeing a Logi running tons of damage mods and a proto weapon and then running basic equipment. You have the slots and CPU for the good stuff, let the assaults throw on the cheap equipment and the good guns. You should be running the best equipment and whatever weapon you can throw on there. Had fun with beercase m8's :) 1 battle was 1kill/2deaths but almost 3000 WP, I supported squadleader (heavy forge). I enjoy more giving the goldenshower than melting faces with my lazer. Another thing is that if I want to go kill mercs, I use MLT minniscout, pistol and RE... so much fun!
wat is golden shower ? is it some kin of therapy to wash joo greed greediness ? |
Mregomies
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
110
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Posted - 2013.11.20 08:10:00 -
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FAKIR REDETTa wrote:Mregomies wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Evolution-7 wrote:Mregomies wrote:I run with proto repper, proto hive and adv. Scanner. Kdr 4/2 usually, 2000-3000 wp. I'm truelogi. I rep and support and let the killing to the others. I carry only std ar. No nades. Feel free to judge my actions. Your a true logi in my eyes -P True Logi in my eyes too. Logi's creed? Support first, fire second We aren't saying you shouldn't shoot people. You have a gun, use it dangit. But at the same time, you shouldn't be choosing kills over supporting your team. If you see a wounded enemy to your left and a wounded heavy to your right, I expect you to choose to repair the heavy every time rather than trying to chase down an easy kill. It's a fine line, but a good support logi can be a downright EFFECTIVE teammate. Between helping the frontlines push up by giving the squad repair and ammo support, and even taking down an enemy or two. TL;DR You should build your logi kit around the idea that supporting your team comes before killing people. I shouldn't be seeing a Logi running tons of damage mods and a proto weapon and then running basic equipment. You have the slots and CPU for the good stuff, let the assaults throw on the cheap equipment and the good guns. You should be running the best equipment and whatever weapon you can throw on there. Had fun with beercase m8's :) 1 battle was 1kill/2deaths but almost 3000 WP, I supported squadleader (heavy forge). I enjoy more giving the goldenshower than melting faces with my lazer. Another thing is that if I want to go kill mercs, I use MLT minniscout, pistol and RE... so much fun! wat is golden shower ? is it some kin of therapy to wash joo greed greediness ? Repair tool... proto-one... with dual channel... mmm... glorious golden shower...
Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
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FAKIR REDETTa
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.11.20 08:27:00 -
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i realy dont think tha ammar enjoy Golden shower much but for gallente it must be their greatest joy of getting a golden shower due to the fact of their immoral promiscuous pervert ideology and having lots of armor . |
Import Beercase
Beer For Evil Mercs
56
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Posted - 2013.11.20 08:53:00 -
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To Mregomies
Teamwork. We win or we lose together. Mrego you are welcome to join our squad if you are bored. We need more support troops. ATM you are one of the best we have had running with us. I would like to see more players going in logi mind like you.
"If at first you don't succeed, mccdiving is not for you."
Take me drunk, I'm home
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Mregomies
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
112
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:53:00 -
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Import Beercase wrote:To Mregomies
Teamwork. We win or we lose together. Mrego you are welcome to join our squad if you are bored. We need more support troops. ATM you are one of the best we have had running with us. I would like to see more players going in logi mind like you.
Thank you for the kind words! Tonight is the night. We will cause mayhem! I'm in again around 21 local time. And you, beercase dudes, are so laid back and relaxed in squadcomm. It's hard not to LMAO and wake up wife/kids. Let's take beer and enjoy!
Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
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FAKIR REDETTa
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:54:00 -
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Nerfffffff it logis so op |
Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
905
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:33:00 -
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Mregomies wrote:Import Beercase wrote:To Mregomies
Teamwork. We win or we lose together. Mrego you are welcome to join our squad if you are bored. We need more support troops. ATM you are one of the best we have had running with us. I would like to see more players going in logi mind like you.
Thank you for the kind words! Tonight is the night. We will cause mayhem! I'm in again around 21 local time. And you, beercase dudes, are so laid back and relaxed in squadcomm. It's hard not to LMAO and wake up wife/kids. Let's take beer and enjoy!
Got room for one bastardly Minmatar Scout?
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Pvt Numnutz
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
278
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:53:00 -
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I started logi, however I switched to assault in uprising because like you I am a much more aggressive player. I prioritize kills and out maneuvering my opponent. That's pretty much the job description of an assault player. I would define a true logi as a versatile logistics soldier, putting the team above themselves and making sure his/her squad is in prime condition to do battle. When I was a logi in chromo I was mainly training to be a pilot, I had all my skills in drop ships and vehicles. Since they were so expensive I spent a lot of time on the ground in starter fits. Most of the time I was at half armor praying that my reps were enough to keep the soldier next to me alive long enough to push the enemy back so I could run and pick up a teammate and rep them back up. Dropping ammo to keep them all well supplied since they had better skills and equipment and I could focus on keeping everyone alive. I think the term logibro is better than true logi, you know that a logibro is gonna fight to keep you alive, and in turn you feel a bro duty to keep him alive. If you ask me, it sounds like your playing more assault than logi. If I were still playing logi I would gladly sacrifice my personal tank/weapon if it meant better equipment to keep my squad going, my priority would be making sure they are getting kills and being aggressive. While the enemy wonders why they can't kill my squad. Logibros have indeed lost their way |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:13:00 -
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True logi: A support player that provides healing and ammunition to those on the front lines (heavies and assaults) while also being able to defend themselves/holdings when needed. Their main job is to keep teammates alive and as close to the frontlines as possible. Realizes that they will never gain the glory and/or recognition of frontline slayers but are frequently the most valuable member of a team.
Dust logi A: An overpowered slayer build that can perform better than assault builds while carrying more equipment. If an enemy actually gets close enough to where you rue not having a sidearm, you're doing it wrong.
Dust logi B: A collection of logi suits that allows for uplink/nanohive spamming to rake in WPs with little effort. Slows the game down for all other players.
Dust logi C: Does their intended job and turns the tide of battle in their side's favor.
Life is killing me.
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