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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4541	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:02:00 - [1] - Quote So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 156	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:04:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah, you ran directly at him Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 696	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:05:00 - [3] - Quote Seems perfectly fine to me. Props to the Heavy for getting a kill at 5m with an FG.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4541	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:05:00 - [4] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 178	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:06:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Yep. There's always a risk that the forge gunner is a decent shot and you shouldn't just expect to run circles around him. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 696	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:08:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. This makes the Heavy seem even more badass if he managed to keep up with your jumping and strafing.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4541	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:08:00 - [7] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. This makes the Heavy seem even more badass if he managed to keep up with your jumping and strafing. That's just silly if it's even possible. A sniper can't do that, why the **** should a forge gunner do so? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1022	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:08:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. Either he had solid aim, or luck on his side or both. Props for FG guy to be on the ground and not halfway somewhere on a roof/redline accross the map, shooting at moving pixels. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 576	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:09:00 - [9] - Quote Lucky shots happen. Also the tone of your post reads 'wah wah wah I got killed, nerf it so I can play' HTFU is the typical response ... you shouldn't expect any better with a title like that !
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4541	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:10:00 - [10] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. Either he had solid aim, or luck on his side or both. Props for FG guy to be on the ground and not halfway somewhere on a roof/redline accross the map, shooting at moving pixels. Actually he was. I went inside the redline to get him. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1024	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:12:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. Either he had solid aim, or luck on his side or both. Props for FG guy to be on the ground and not halfway somewhere on a roof/redline accross the map, shooting at moving pixels. Actually he was. I went inside the redline to get him. /facepalm Well at least he was on the ground .....i guess ... Redline sh*t kills needs to stop, in 1.7 theres gonna be 6 tanks in each redline if they dont fix the wp/kill gains from it. I hate the part where i close the objective, then realise ...wtf is my team of blueberry nuts....ah right they are all in the redline..then get gunned down by squad who want a piece of me .... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 758	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:13:00 - [12] - Quote well you did achieve the thing you were seeking death..so whats the problem lol jk scouts really need ccp's love
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4541	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:14:00 - [13] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. Either he had solid aim, or luck on his side or both. Props for FG guy to be on the ground and not halfway somewhere on a roof/redline accross the map, shooting at moving pixels. Actually he was. I went inside the redline to get him. /facepalm Well at least he was on the ground .....i guess ... Redline sh*t kills needs to stop, in 1.7 theres gonna be 6 tanks in each redline if they dont fix the wp/kill gains from it. I hate the part where i close the objective, then realise ...wtf is my team of blueberry nuts....ah right they are all in the redline..then get gunned down by squad who want a piece of me .... I know right? I hold down an entire objective by my own, pwning everyone who spawns or tries to get in. But to hack it? My team mates are sniping somewhere off in the distance, being useless >_> Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2204	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:14:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. You took a gamble, it didn't pay off. Sorry buddy. No.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4541	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:16:00 - [15] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. You took a gamble, it didn't pay off. Sorry buddy. It shouldn't be a gamble... It should be a landslide win to me. I was in a shotgun, 5 meters away from a target I snuck upon, using an AV weapon. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2062	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:17:00 - [16] - Quote I believe the projectile actually is the size of a soccer ball, and at close range this means if you're anywhere within that reticle despite how large it is, you will probably get clipped by the ball and as such be dealt full impact damage. Also at such close range those things are basically hitscan, if they travel at 7000m/s as advertised on their descriptions. Just be glad you could probably run 10 more of those suicide scout fits without your wallet blinking an eye. If I tried to bring out 10 assault dropships to try shoot or squash the forge gunner I'd be in for a bad time. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 194	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:17:00 - [17] - Quote No I don't see a problem with the situation you've listed. You either screwed up or the Forge was a stellar shot. You had all the advantage in the world in this situation, he wasn't on a tower accessible only by Dropships, he wasn't being constantly supported by repping nanohives, and you got inside of your optimal range in order to kill him and proceeded to drop the soap on this one. **** happens. 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 157	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:17:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. You took a gamble, it didn't pay off. Sorry buddy. It shouldn't be a gamble... It should be a landslide win to me. I was in a shotgun, 5 meters away from a target I snuck upon, using an AV weapon. Using a cannon that fires bullets the size of you He basically had a shotgun that was bigger than you Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4541	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:19:00 - [19] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: No I don't see a problem with the situation you've listed. You either screwed up or the Forge was a stellar shot. You had all the advantage in the world in this situation, he wasn't on a tower accessible only by Dropships, he wasn't being constantly supported by repping nanohives, and you got inside of your optimal range in order to kill him and proceeded to drop the soap on this one. **** happens. It never happens to me with any other weapon :\ If I get within the required range, and I get at least one shot off, the enemy is always screwed. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 699	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:23:00 - [20] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: He basically had a shotgun that was bigger than you Lol.

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 736	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:26:00 - [21] - Quote Yep, forge gun. The magical f*cking pixie fantasy weapon. Tool of the weak, flavor of the month. If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 228	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:26:00 - [22] - Quote The only problem I see is that the shotgun could possibly use more beef. When running FG, I think I've pulled off a short-range kill like that a total of once...the vast, vast majority of the time, I die. Remove RDVs from the game.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 699	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:31:00 - [23] - Quote Gorra Snell wrote: The only problem I see is that the shotgun could possibly use more beef. When running FG, I think I've pulled off a short-range kill like that a total of once...the vast, vast majority of the time, I die. I use to do it frequently. I would just aim at the ground instead of the enemy.
rpastry Carbon 7 CRONOS. 65	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:57:00 - [24] - Quote suicide mission... you're 5m away when you start shooting and fire 3 shots at him. by the 3rd shot you should've been right in his face so the splash from his FG killed him too.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 934	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:03:00 - [25] - Quote This problem does not exist only with Scouts 5m away. I have caught Heavies completely off guard with my Laser 75m away and after 3 seconds straight of firing, he'll line up a shot and OHKO me. I do the same all the time as a Heavy. I don't act like it's perfectly OK that I have a Charge Sniper Rifle that has no sway, requires no skills and OHKOs everyone up to 300m away and flashed bright red when it will do so, still often dealing hundreds of damage if I miss. I am in miltia gear with a forge gun. I shoot at a prototype Heavy with a SMG. He takes 90% of my health down with his HMG. I switch to my forge and charge it as I hide behind a rock for a few seconds, strafe out, OHKO. Oh boy, what skill it took! Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 254	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:11:00 - [26] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I believe the projectile actually is the size of a soccer ball, I have proof that this is incorrect. You know that underground turret in one of the new sockets? You can kill it with a Forge Gun is your aim just right through a slit in the ground about 1 or less in size. The FG round is an upsized bullet, but the AoE for it is what we see, and makes it look large. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 714	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:12:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. Side to side as in switching direction back and forth? If so, just stick with one direction against forge heavies. If you can get within 5 or so meters, you move faster than people can turn which means the heavy can't hit you. Switching strafe directions can go badly because of the forge's blast radius. !
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:15:00 - [28] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. Side to side as in switching direction back and forth? If so, just stick with one direction against forge heavies. If you can get within 5 or so meters, you move faster than people can turn which means the heavy can't hit you. Switching strafe directions can go badly because of the forge's blast radius. Thanks for the tip. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 41	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:16:00 - [29] - Quote I want the name of that heavy... so I can send some isk to reward him, simply because he did awesome there. =)
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:17:00 - [30] - Quote J0hlss0n wrote: I want the name of that heavy... so I can send some isk to reward him, simply because he did awesome there. =) Cat Merc :) Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

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Kasote Denzara A Vulture 828	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:19:00 - [32] - Quote In a game dominated by a weapon that was created with the technology of a blaster (which is SHORT RANGED) from a faction that specializes IN these blasters and drones despite this weapon applying near full damage at 70+, where people are running around with grenades that have the blast radius of a miniature nuke that one-hits 95% of the suits out there, where people spam the device that goes through walls with no consequence while they can see everything just by spinning around in a circle with it, where the idea that's it's okay to pick on the weak and unprepared, where it's okay to travel in packs of twelve against completely unorganized teams, where it's just dandy for people to sit on top of towers, where it's terrific to have the health of over 800+, where the TTK is as short (if not shorter) than Battlefield... You find that someone using an anti-material cannon that is a modified mining tool to shoot you up close as a "problem"? I do it all the ******* time to the snippity people that believe that because they have a drop on me that I'll panic and roll over to accept death. This is New Eden. Eat my Forge Gun. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 990	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:20:00 - [33] - Quote Sounds like he got a lucky shot, forget about it and move on! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1124	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:27:00 - [34] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. This makes the Heavy seem even more badass if he managed to keep up with your jumping and strafing. That's just silly if it's even possible. A sniper can't do that, why the **** should a forge gunner do so? Set the sensitivity to 100. Then they can. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:27:00 - [35] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: In a game dominated by a weapon that was created with the technology of a blaster (which is SHORT RANGED) from a faction that specializes IN these blasters and drones despite this weapon applying near full damage at 70+, where people are running around with grenades that have the blast radius of a miniature nuke that one-hits 95% of the suits out there, where people spam the device that goes through walls with no consequence while they can see everything just by spinning around in a circle with it, where the idea that's it's okay to pick on the weak and unprepared, where it's okay to travel in packs of twelve against completely unorganized teams, where it's just dandy for people to sit on top of towers, where it's terrific to have the health of over 800+, where the TTK is as short (if not shorter) than Battlefield... You find that someone using an anti-material cannon that is a modified mining tool to shoot you up close as a "problem"? I do it all the ******* time to the snippity people that believe that because they have a drop on me that I'll panic and roll over to accept death. This is New Eden. Eat my Forge Gun. When I get up close, surprise you with a shotgun, that is a blaster, that is supposed to whoop your ass as long as I am in range, for you to have enough time to charge up a shot and blap me, that is ridiculous. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 376	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:27:00 - [36] - Quote All I see here is a badass heavy and whiny scout. Swarm launcher is an AV weapon too but it can also be an anti-infantry weapon if you melee someone to death with it. Which, to be honest, is a lot more effective than trying to forge gun at three meters. Forge gun is, has always been and always will be a straight skill weapon, it's like a hip fire sniper rifle with an outrageous fire interval, so when someone actually does get a kill with it, they get all my respect. Doubles ISK
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2288	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:28:00 - [37] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Am I the only one who sees a problem here? The first two shotgun blasts are warning shots. So 1000HP MedFrames get a chance to spray your 300HP Scout with Duvolle or ScR. Anything else would be unfair. Heavies, of course, also benefit from warning shots, but to a lesser degree. In this case, I think the Fatty just got lucky.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:29:00 - [38] - Quote God Hates Lags wrote: All I see here is a badass heavy and whiny scout. Swarm launcher is an AV weapon too but it can also be an anti-infantry weapon if you melee someone to death with it. Which, to be honest, is a lot more effective than trying to forge gun at three meters. Forge gun is, has always been and always will be a straight skill weapon, it's like a hip fire sniper rifle with an outrageous fire interval, so when someone actually does get a kill with it, they get all my respect. Uhh... I really don't understand you people. I use forge guns for ***** and gigglz from once in a while and it's really not that hard to hit targets in close range. I sometimes don't even bother to switch to my SMG. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:30:00 - [39] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Am I the only one who sees a problem here? The first two shotgun blasts are warning shots. So 1000HP MedFrames get a chance to spray your 300HP Scout with Duvolle or ScR. Anything else would be unfair. Heavies, of course, also benefit from warning shots, but to a lesser degree. In this case, I think the Fatty just got lucky. Yay, shotty gobang. If you think so, then charges dropped. You I believe. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 829	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:37:00 - [40] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: When I get up close, surprise you with a shotgun, that is a blaster, that is supposed to whoop your ass as long as I am in range, for you to have enough time to charge up a shot and blap me, that is ridiculous. I had some jackass message me something similar when I kept charging him head on with a HMG and won every fight except for the first one. Why? Because I took notes on how he moved the first time and he was so predictable afterwards I thought I had dozed off during battle again and was dreaming (this has happened twice before- learned my lesson not to play at those times Q_Q). Didn't matter that he was charging me with a shotgun- it was over. I had him known. You probably ran into one of the older heavies that has been doing it for a while. Shame to hear a heavy in the redline, but if he was able to track you up close then there's a chance that he does it often. The charge time for the Forge Guns outside of the Breach variants is also not bad. With max operation, it takes roughly two to three shotgun shots for it to charge up. If it was a prototype assault, then ** the wait. That's a sneeze charge (which I hate). My advanced heavy hit at the 1400 mark for HP without going prototype, so he was more than likely beefy. The only times I've fallen to a shotgun in hat getup was from some sneaky little ** with the shotgun (props to these gentlemen that get passed me) and stayed firmly in my blindspot. I never get angry when people manage to do this. It means they are experienced in dealing with heavies. They've done it for a while. People like me, well, we specialize in target leading and tracking. It's why I'm so fond of the Forge Gun and Plasma Cannon. Those two weapons demand being able to track. Though, I'm not going to say I'm the best or I'm excellent at it. I have T-Rex vision. If you stand still, the chances of me not seeing you is extremely high, especially when you're dampened. However, if you move, your ass is grass. I don't always hit, though I do take pride in it. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."

medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 355	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:37:00 - [41] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. Your mistake was throwing away the element of surprise by firing on a heavy at a distance greater than point blank when you had the stealth advantage. Heavies have a considerable amount of health and you should act accordingly. And yes, the forge gunner killed you fair and square. Actually it's quite impressive that he or she managed to down you with a forge gun at close range; that's worthy of some applause. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:54:00 - [42] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. a shotgun taking down a heavy's HP in three shots? am I the only one who sees a problem here? shotguns are bullshit.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:56:00 - [43] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. a shotgun taking down a heavy's HP in three shots? am I the only one who sees a problem here? shotguns are bullshit. Since when do forge guns have a 10m effective range Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:58:00 - [44] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. Your mistake was throwing away the element of surprise by firing on a heavy at a distance greater than point blank when you had the stealth advantage. Heavies have a considerable amount of health and you should act accordingly. And yes, the forge gunner killed you fair and square. Actually it's quite impressive that he or she managed to down you with a forge gun at close range; that's worthy of some applause. Applause? A weapon that can lock down an entire area from a safe distance AND perform in close range (It's not that hard) AND take down vehicles, basically making the only counter, dropships, null? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:08:00 - [45] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Kam Elto wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. a shotgun taking down a heavy's HP in three shots? am I the only one who sees a problem here? shotguns are bullshit. Since when do forge guns have a 10m effective range you have like 300HP. he got a lucky shot off close enough to you. but shame on him for redline forging (unless they were redlined).
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4544	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:09:00 - [46] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Kam Elto wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. a shotgun taking down a heavy's HP in three shots? am I the only one who sees a problem here? shotguns are bullshit. Since when do forge guns have a 10m effective range you have like 300HP. he got a lucky shot off close enough to you. but shame on him for redline forging (unless they were redlined). Nope, they weren't redlined. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1176	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:18:00 - [47] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Applause? A weapon that can lock down an entire area from a safe distance AND perform in close range (It's not that hard) AND take down vehicles, basically making the only counter, dropships, null? It's as easy as no-scope sniping at close range. Yep. Total cakewalk. Cat, you've been on these forums long enough to know that whining about being killed by something once in a random match is evidence of nothing whasoever and guaranteed troll bait. Unless that's the goal... ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 576	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:50:00 - [48] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: This problem does not exist only with Scouts 5m away. I have caught Heavies completely off guard with my Laser 75m away and after 3 seconds straight of firing, he'll line up a shot and OHKO me. So, you stayed in the same place long enough for his FG to charge, and then are upset when you get blasted? Not a problem with the forge that you did something incredibly stupid. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 941	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:54:00 - [49] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: This problem does not exist only with Scouts 5m away. I have caught Heavies completely off guard with my Laser 75m away and after 3 seconds straight of firing, he'll line up a shot and OHKO me. So, you stayed in the same place long enough for his FG to charge, and then are upset when you get blasted? Not a problem with the forge that you did something incredibly stupid. The Laser Rifle has heat build up and must be fired for that long continously to ever kill anyone with substantial health, especially armor, which is does a terribly low amount of damage too. I'm talking 200 DPS against armor, here. Obviously, I can't move very quickly while shooting. Are you telling me that there was no possible way to kill him, from any position within my optimal range, including getting him from behind to the head, without getting OHKO'd and it's somehow my fault? GG. Try harder. Also, I use the forge against Snipers and other Forge Gunners and it is hilarious. If you are "skilled" enough, you can completely negate everyone elses skill. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4519	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:56:00 - [50] - Quote soooo nerf the already gimped class? further nerfing the FG? ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"

Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1276	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:58:00 - [51] - Quote The dude was an idiot, he should have whiped out his militia smg and killed you instantly... "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 941	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:59:00 - [52] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: soooo nerf the already gimped class? further nerfing the FG? I wouldn't nerf the Forge Gun at this point, even though I think it's a bit ridiculous that a Heavy 100m above you on a tower can get 10-20 kills and no deaths just firing at pixels and everyone who shoots back gets instantly killed. I just don't think it takes a huge amount of skill to use, like some other players do. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4521	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:00:00 - [53] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: soooo nerf the already gimped class? further nerfing the FG? I wouldn't nerf the Forge Gun at this point, even though I think it's a bit ridiculous that a Heavy 100m above you on a tower can get 10-20 kills and no deaths just firing at pixels and everyone who shoots back gets instantly killed. I just don't think it takes a huge amount of skill to use, like some other players do. More skill than an AR tbh ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 512	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:02:00 - [54] - Quote The forge guns effective range is 0-300m, what is the QQ about? This is like me saying its bullshit that a shotgun is able to kill me in one shot. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1694	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:04:00 - [55] - Quote Heavy was aiming and got the kill Its not like the FG gets help from aim assist unlike the shotgun does so you can never miss
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 941	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:04:00 - [56] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: soooo nerf the already gimped class? further nerfing the FG? I wouldn't nerf the Forge Gun at this point, even though I think it's a bit ridiculous that a Heavy 100m above you on a tower can get 10-20 kills and no deaths just firing at pixels and everyone who shoots back gets instantly killed. I just don't think it takes a huge amount of skill to use, like some other players do. More skill than an AR tbh Oh, no, definitely. Pretty much every gun in the game needs more skill than an AR. The Forge Gun needs skill, just not as much as people say. I whip it out once in a while to take out a HAV, and I kill at least half the people that run at me thinking I'm an easy kill by just waiting for it to flash red and firing. A truly good Forge Gunner is really only killable by another Forge Gunner, a good Sniper or a mass attack. I use the Forge Gun to counter snipe and it is hilarious. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 494	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:07:00 - [57] - Quote Get good, fail scout.
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 576	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:08:00 - [58] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: The Laser Rifle has heat build up and must be fired for that long continously to ever kill anyone with substantial health, especially armor, which is does a terribly low amount of damage too. I'm talking 200 DPS against armor, here. Obviously, I can't move very quickly while shooting. Are you telling me that there was no possible way to kill him, from any position within my optimal range, including getting him from behind to the head, without getting OHKO'd and it's somehow my fault? GG. Try harder. Also, I use the forge against Snipers and other Forge Gunners and it is hilarious. If you are "skilled" enough, you can completely negate everyone elses skill. Using a shield biased weapon against a target with over 1000 armor HP is not exactly the smartest thing to do is it? What most people don't realize, or seem to forget in the heat of combat is how to strafe when firing on a FG user. If your strafe patterns bring you back to the same point twice, enjoy death. Especially if you decide to do figure eights, as the crossover normally happens right around charge up with an IAFG. If something takes you that long to kill, then you need backup. If you can't do it without sitting practically still enough for the FG to get a bead on you, then you shouldn't do anyhting other than strip his shields off and let someone else finish him off. Laser is a fantastic support weapon, and used against a group with greens in place to finish them, you can help to devastate a squad with brutal efficiency. Running the laser solo, against almost any suit is asking for problems. So maybe you should get some friends to play with you before you go complaining about how your poor tactics, poor gear selection allowed a heavy to kill you for being a dummy. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 576	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:10:00 - [59] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: A truly good Forge Gunner is really only killable by another Forge Gunner, a good Sniper or a mass attack. I use the Forge Gun to counter snipe and it is hilarious. You should qualify this by saying a rooftop forge. A forge on the ground is dead meat to any medium frame with an AR and a grenade. Not a problem with the forge, but a problem with the maps. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Drapedup Drippedout G.U.T.Z 76	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:11:00 - [60] - Quote @ OP Heavies get HP buff, Forge splash gets nerfed to 2.0m or so. You are within 5m, wearing cardboard and newspapers for armor and complain when a gun that hits at 400+ splash kills you? QQ. Get gud scrub. If you were 100m away, then you can QQ about splash damage. But inside 5m all he has to do is shoot the ground below you and you will be sent flying. It's as hard as hitting the side of a barn from 10 feet away. Lesson to be learned? Don't run at a guy pointing a gun at you.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4545	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:12:00 - [61] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: @ OP Heavies get HP buff, Forge splash gets nerfed to 2.0m or so. You are within 5m, wearing cardboard and newspapers for armor and complain when a gun that hits at 400+ splash kills you? QQ. Get gud scrub. If you were 100m away, then you can QQ about splash damage. But inside 5m all he has to do is shoot the ground below you and you will be sent flying. It's as hard as hitting the side of a barn from 10 feet away. Lesson to be learned? Don't run at a guy pointing a gun at you. I was jumping around.... He hit me in the air. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
HyperionsThunder Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 138	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:13:00 - [62] - Quote Working as intended. Stop trying to drop the nerf hammer on the FG - wasn't the blast radius reduction enough? Common sense will prevail. Adapt or die.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 941	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:22:00 - [63] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: The Laser Rifle has heat build up and must be fired for that long continously to ever kill anyone with substantial health, especially armor, which is does a terribly low amount of damage too. I'm talking 200 DPS against armor, here. Obviously, I can't move very quickly while shooting. Are you telling me that there was no possible way to kill him, from any position within my optimal range, including getting him from behind to the head, without getting OHKO'd and it's somehow my fault? GG. Try harder. Also, I use the forge against Snipers and other Forge Gunners and it is hilarious. If you are "skilled" enough, you can completely negate everyone elses skill. Using a shield biased weapon against a target with over 1000 armor HP is not exactly the smartest thing to do is it? What most people don't realize, or seem to forget in the heat of combat is how to strafe when firing on a FG user. If your strafe patterns bring you back to the same point twice, enjoy death. Especially if you decide to do figure eights, as the crossover normally happens right around charge up with an IAFG. If something takes you that long to kill, then you need backup. If you can't do it without sitting practically still enough for the FG to get a bead on you, then you shouldn't do anyhting other than strip his shields off and let someone else finish him off. Laser is a fantastic support weapon, and used against a group with greens in place to finish them, you can help to devastate a squad with brutal efficiency. Running the laser solo, against almost any suit is asking for problems. So maybe you should get some friends to play with you before you go complaining about how your poor tactics, poor gear selection allowed a heavy to kill you for being a dummy. That was a while back. I no longer use the LR, even though I mained it for so long, because it's really not very good. The DPS is the lowest of all the rifles unless you have long sustained fire on target within a 15m span, during which anyone can run too close or too far, behind a rock, or kill you because you can't strafe fast enough. Mathematically, it sucks, and I have several posts on the matter somewhere on these boards. It wrecks with a good squad, but so does my Tactical Assault Rifle, without having a tiny span walled by cliff drop offs. 99% of the Lasers I see never kill me, because I know its flaws and exploit the crap out of them. Unless their team is completely suppressing me, it just doesn't work. In that case, I'd be dead anyway. Also, sorry, but no one on my crappy pub team could "finish off" a Heavy on the tower on the map I was on. It's walled in and the only gap is the one he was shooting out of. I stripped his shields at least 5 times and he retreated each time to restore them, because, you know, the Laser doesn't do **** to armor. In fact, the damage build up and efficacy end up nerfing each other out, since you deal the most damage to shields before you heat up and then get a sharp drop on the heightened DPS to armor. Maybe if I was on a competent squad and we had multiple Snipers babysitting him, they could've finished the job. God knows that a Dropship would never make it past his lolforgegun. I kill plenty of Forge Gun users. The smart ones in good locations, however, are essentially invincible in a pubs unless you also pull out a Forge Gun or Charge Sniper them to the head. I eventually did kill him with a Forge Gun. He respawned on an uplink. It didn't end until we dropped an Orbital on him, at which point we lost the match by a sliver anyway since he and a few others like him made it impossible to hack the terminal. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 126	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:24:00 - [64] - Quote I feast on your tears. Really though I was sitting in a doorway yesterday blapping a blaster turret at range, 2 shots, 1 to go, as a scout "sneakily" strafes in with the trusted shotty and the final shot meant for the turret blows him away. If the heavy is able to turn and catch you, you are doing it wrong, if you see forge rounds coming out of some area and move into line of fire, you are doing it wrong, if you still die after observing these lessons you were outplayed sorry bud. I think scouts are getting apathetic recently, I usually spot them 10 meters out and gun them down with a standard SMG. Lets face it, if you get hit squarely with a projectile that takes 2 seconds per shot and is meant for destroying tanks, you are going to die. It's not a shotgun, hit area is not large, it is very EASY to miss, and when a heavy misses CQC with a FG, they die. It's that simple.
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 576	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:24:00 - [65] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I was jumping around.... He hit me in the air. So then it is just bad luck for you, and great luck for him. Why did we need to have this discussion, you already knew the answer. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 941	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:27:00 - [66] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I was jumping around.... He hit me in the air. So then it is just bad luck for you, and great luck for him. Why did we need to have this discussion, you already knew the answer. This is true enough. It's like when I pull out my Scrambler Pistol and hipfire to the head while jumping. If the RNG Gods smile upon me, the enemy pops due to the 450% damage and I see a +60/72 pop up on my screen. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1460	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:30:00 - [67] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: No I don't see a problem with the situation you've listed. You either screwed up or the Forge was a stellar shot. You had all the advantage in the world in this situation, he wasn't on a tower accessible only by Dropships, he wasn't being constantly supported by repping nanohives, and you got inside of your optimal range in order to kill him and proceeded to drop the soap on this one. **** happens. Yeah, no. That is why they are lowering the splash radius on FGs.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 831	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:33:00 - [68] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Yeah, no. That is why they are lowering the splash radius on FGs. You mean already did. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 577	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:35:00 - [69] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Also, sorry, but no one on my crappy pub team could "finish off" a Heavy on the tower on the map I was on. It's walled in and the only gap is the one he was shooting out of. So, playing on a rings socket, that heavy can cover one objective. Simple solution, let the enemy have it. You fight for the objective under cover, that it can't hit, and the forge is never a problem. Borne Velvalor wrote: I stripped his shields at least 5 times and he retreated each time to restore them, because, you know, the Laser doesn't do ** to armor. In fact, the damage build up and efficacy end up nerfing each other out, since you deal the most damage to shields before you heat up and then get a sharp drop on the heightened DPS to armor. Maybe if I was on a competent squad and we had multiple Snipers babysitting him, they could've finished the job. God knows that a Dropship would never make it past his lolforgegun. A single FG user up high on that map is not invulnerable. The roof he was on is not flat, and a heavy cannot cover all directions at once. If he was firing on the objective, then he could easily have been dropped in on by a DS. Once again however, there was zero tactical advantage in you attacking a target you could not kill. You should have rolled with your squad, and kept racking up WP while staying out of the objective he was camping. Then drop an orbital on the tower, and be done with it. If the only way for your team to win a game involves trying to cap a camped objective, you are doing it wrong. Borne Velvalor wrote:** I kill plenty of Forge Gun users. The smart ones in good locations, however, are essentially invincible in a pubs unless you also pull out a Forge Gun or Charge Sniper them to the head. I eventually did kill him with a Forge Gun. He respawned on an uplink. It didn't end until we dropped an Orbital on him, at which point we lost the match by a sliver anyway since he and a few others like him made it impossible to hack the terminal. So what was it, one FG up top or a squad? They are two very different things, and you should be clear on what you were facing unless you want to be called on your bias. Playing Domination without having a plan to control the heights is asking to get fisted, and you got exactly what you deserved. Look at it this way: If you and some friends can't figure out how to take a roof, you better just give up on ever being able to do anything in PC. If you don't know how to fight and win for the heights, enjoy losing badly. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1179	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:39:00 - [70] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I was jumping around.... He hit me in the air. Then that is either a skillshot worthy of a fist bump or complete stupid luck on his part. Sorry, Cat. Of all the reasonable arguments that could be made about the FG being too effective, this isn't one of 'em. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù

Dengru Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 151	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:54:00 - [71] - Quote Whats great is that if he switched to his toxin he would've done 400 dmg to kill you before you hit the ground! The odds are stacked against you in what should be your optimal situation
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7733	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:56:00 - [72] - Quote Just gonna chime in on the topic of tower forge gunners. Best counter is another forge gun. Words / Vids / OSG
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 943	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:57:00 - [73] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: So, playing on a rings socket, that heavy can cover one objective. Simple solution, let the enemy have it. You fight for the objective under cover, that it can't hit, and the forge is never a problem. It's Domination. GeneralButtNaked wrote: A single FG user up high on that map is not invulnerable. The roof he was on is not flat, and a heavy cannot cover all directions at once. If he was firing on the objective, then he could easily have been dropped in on by a DS. Once again however, there was zero tactical advantage in you attacking a target you could not kill. You should have rolled with your squad, and kept racking up WP while staying out of the objective he was camping. Then drop an orbital on the tower, and be done with it. If the only way for your team to win a game involves trying to cap a camped objective, you are doing it wrong. Dropships are far from discreet. I attacked him because there was no one left, except him and several others like him (some with snipers, some with drivers, which I did kill or suppress as they respawned) who were preventing the objective from being captured. Again, it's Domination. There is one objective and the enemy slipped in and hacked it with a Minmatar Logistics in, quite literally, 3.5 seconds. We didn't have an Orbital at that particular time. Unless I supply camp, no one is making any WP quickly. GeneralButtNaked wrote: So what was it, one FG up top or a squad? They are two very different things, and you should be clear on what you were facing unless you want to be called on your bias. Playing Domination without having a plan to control the heights is asking to get fisted, and you got exactly what you deserved. Look at it this way: If you and some friends can't figure out how to take a roof, you better just give up on ever being able to do anything in PC. If you don't know how to fight and win for the heights, enjoy losing badly. First, I'll be exact. It was multiple targets. They had uplinks on the roof. There was usually one Forge Gunner and one Mass Driver user, occasionally with Snipers. To the side is a bridge between buildings, for lack of a better term, with Scramblers and more Mass Drivers camping hives on it. The farmed WP generated Orbitals to make things even worse. What bias could I have? Oh, I got killed? What, 3% of my deaths are to Forge Guns at most? I'm not calling for a nerf. I'm not calling for anything. I'm just saying that Forge Guns can be very cheap and don't always take a godly amount of skill to use. People act as if the guy going 15/0 with a Forge Gun on a tower is some god of gaming. Please. My first match as a noob when I was posting 1/0s with a militia Forge Gun I went 17/3. It's hilarious. Second, it was a pubs match. I'm only one guy, he's only one guy. My squad is not corporation mates or strategic geniuses. He or someone else takes a ship up there with burners at the very start of the match and plants uplinks. 2-4 guys are always up there with AoE weapons and Snipers until you Orbital them. No one would call in a ship in fear of it getting blown, or they couldn't pilot one. Please explain to me how I was supposed to pilot a militia dropship through Forge Gunners and the inevitable Swarm launchers, land on the roof, wipe out the 2-3 guys that are there at any given time and blow the uplinks, with time to spare to capture the terminal and win the match. The loss was indeed a combination of poor team cohesion (in a random public match, who would have thought?) and good team cohesion on the other side. However, the fact that it takes several snipers or a dropship with multiple passengers to take out a lolheavyforge on a tower is hilarious. It's like an instant win in public Domination on some maps unless the enemy team is a full squad from one corporation or q-synchers. I did OK, but my team got wrecked. It happens. I don't even care enough to continue writing. You can chock it up to poor strategy in a pubs match Domination when a stubborn Forge Heavy denies Terminal hacks and no one wants to risk or can pilot a DS. My point was simply that I could use my weapon, in optimal range, for three times as long as, say, an AR would kill him, and he can turn towards me and OHKO me, even if it did take him a while to get his reticule on me. I've fought Assault Forge Gun users that just fire into the crowd from 150m away and pick up a dozen kills and a couple of deaths, at most. It just seems cheap, I don't know. I have no problem dieing. I do have a problem getting OHKO'd from sniper range, when not even a Thale can OHKO me to the head. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 943	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:01:00 - [74] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Just gonna chime in on the topic of tower forge gunners. Best counter is another forge gun. Which is what I usually do, now. It's not worth the time and risk to get up there when I can just OHKO with the same gun. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1179	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:41:00 - [75] - Quote No problem. If he was able to get a full-on bodyshot at that range, it's no-ones fault. Tip your hat and move on. Also, you should probably use a better shotgun on heavies. I want a Minmatar one already :c ECM Equipment
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Top Men. 201	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:41:00 - [76] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. CCP fixed hit detection. Enjoy your new DUST.
SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 296	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:04:00 - [77] - Quote 1. dont run scout its a redundant class. 2. his whole suit and weapon costs about 6 of you suits. 3. do you know how hard it is to hit a scout straffing and jumping everywhere like a ***-got?. 4. get good scrub. level 0 forum warrior self-proclaimed slayer weapon of choice: GEK-38 gallante assault rifle -STB infantry
m twiggz Eternal Beings 155	Posted - 2013.11.18 19:16:00 - [78] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. How is this a problem? I don't understand. He/she killed you with what seems to be a lucky shot. Respawn and try again, or QQ on the forums...
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 478	Posted - 2013.11.18 19:31:00 - [79] - Quote or.. that forge gunner was using kb/m... no need for lucky shots then.
Himiko Kuronaga The Generals EoN. 2324	Posted - 2013.11.18 19:33:00 - [80] - Quote I feel your pain Cat, I both use forges and get abused by them. So here is some actual advice from a forge gunner that isn't blatant justification. Do not strafe side to side when combating a forge gun. That is the primary reason you lost. You need to strafe in one direction the whole time. Most forges on a dual shock have a lower sensitivity because they are banking everything on one shot, usually in the far distance. It has to be precise. You can easily get under their gun up close if you keep moving in one direction. The only time you would switch it up is if he decided to spin 180 degrees in the opposite direction as you, and thats a very unrealistic high-level reflex that nobody really does. If he is a kb/m user he is at a slightly greater advantage as he can likely change his sensitivity on the fly, but it takes time to press the buttons required to do that and in that time you should be filling him full of shotgun. There isn't realistically enough time to change sensitivity, acquire target, and then kill you with any degree of accuracy if you were the one getting the drop on him. Of course do note, he needs only splash the ground to kill you unless you have brick tanked a little bit. Scout suits are almost always killed by splash when it comes to forge defense.

oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 199	Posted - 2013.11.18 19:37:00 - [81] - Quote props to that heavy
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 68	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:29:00 - [82] - Quote "Adapted from Deep Core Mining Inc.GÇÖs proprietary technology, the DCMA S-1 subverts conventional expectations of what a man-portable anti-material weapons platform is capable of. Despite its excessive weight and extended recharge times, the GÇ£Forge GunGÇ¥ as it has become known, is regarded as the most devastating infantry weapon on the battlefield, and an invaluable tool for those capable of wielding it. " Just, read that. Stop complaining about forge guns, if he killed you at 5m he was a total badass. Its meant to be the "most devastating infantry weapon on the battlefield". So get over it, its always gonna be very powerful in the hands of a skilled user.
FAKIR REDETTa Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:38:00 - [83] - Quote Remote explosive mix with catnip is BS too nyaaaaaa
ER-Bullitt 593	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:40:00 - [84] - Quote This is a troll, right? I mean you aren't seriously complaining about a lucky shot, are you? Retry that scenario 100 times.. how many times does the forge gunner come out alive? The answer is blue pill.
cooldudesuper1 Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 4	Posted - 2013.11.18 21:05:00 - [85] - Quote O.O if you saw my COD CLONE thread, you could imagine an FG that dose 1000000000000000000000 damage and fires 999999999999999999 times a second, with unlimited ammo, invincibility, 100M/s run speed, aim bots and just PURE OP. every 1520 years, a leap year counts as 2 years-*do your math bro.*
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1181	Posted - 2013.11.18 21:13:00 - [86] - Quote cooldudesuper1 wrote: O.O if you saw my COD CLONE thread, you could imagine an FG that dose 1000000000000000000000 damage and fires 999999999999999999 times a second, with unlimited ammo, invincibility, 100M/s run speed, aim bots and just PURE OP. You do realize how patently ******** you are, and that bringinng up your own irrelevant thread in someone else's is bad form. Also, that isn't 'PURE OP', it's cheating. ECM Equipment
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 362	Posted - 2013.11.18 21:53:00 - [87] - Quote 1. Take your hand. 2. Place it on my crotch. 3. Realize that is just as g@y as this thread.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 393	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:21:00 - [88] - Quote He probably didn't even direct hit you, he most likely just nailed you with splash, They just need to remove FG splash, it does not need it.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 90	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:26:00 - [89] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. You had 2 shots with a Shotgun. Cx dam mods Feline friend. The problem is the lack of Slots for scouts to fit them XD If the Forge gunner 1 Shotted you at 5mts away.He was a good shotgunner. You cannot blame something on a weapon when both the skill of a player influences so MUCH .. Plus its a Heavy, its supposed to be hard to kill. Thats why i use Breach Shotguns..... All or nothing. Forgeguns might be BS ,as you say. But they are not OP.
SLENDER M4N POISION ROSES 16	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:46:00 - [90] - Quote if you wanna see the downside of sniping i sugguest watching jonnypew's newest youtube video. Its quite sad seeing your team being useless. What's a "signature"



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