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Hecarim Van Hohen Project Serenity 252	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:19:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Riveting tale, chap D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 828	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:19:00 - [32] - Quote In a game dominated by a weapon that was created with the technology of a blaster (which is SHORT RANGED) from a faction that specializes IN these blasters and drones despite this weapon applying near full damage at 70+, where people are running around with grenades that have the blast radius of a miniature nuke that one-hits 95% of the suits out there, where people spam the device that goes through walls with no consequence while they can see everything just by spinning around in a circle with it, where the idea that's it's okay to pick on the weak and unprepared, where it's okay to travel in packs of twelve against completely unorganized teams, where it's just dandy for people to sit on top of towers, where it's terrific to have the health of over 800+, where the TTK is as short (if not shorter) than Battlefield... You find that someone using an anti-material cannon that is a modified mining tool to shoot you up close as a "problem"? I do it all the ******* time to the snippity people that believe that because they have a drop on me that I'll panic and roll over to accept death. This is New Eden. Eat my Forge Gun. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 990	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:20:00 - [33] - Quote Sounds like he got a lucky shot, forget about it and move on! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1124	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:27:00 - [34] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Yeah, you ran directly at him Going side to side. In a scout suit. Jumping. This makes the Heavy seem even more badass if he managed to keep up with your jumping and strafing. That's just silly if it's even possible. A sniper can't do that, why the **** should a forge gunner do so? Set the sensitivity to 100. Then they can. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:27:00 - [35] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: In a game dominated by a weapon that was created with the technology of a blaster (which is SHORT RANGED) from a faction that specializes IN these blasters and drones despite this weapon applying near full damage at 70+, where people are running around with grenades that have the blast radius of a miniature nuke that one-hits 95% of the suits out there, where people spam the device that goes through walls with no consequence while they can see everything just by spinning around in a circle with it, where the idea that's it's okay to pick on the weak and unprepared, where it's okay to travel in packs of twelve against completely unorganized teams, where it's just dandy for people to sit on top of towers, where it's terrific to have the health of over 800+, where the TTK is as short (if not shorter) than Battlefield... You find that someone using an anti-material cannon that is a modified mining tool to shoot you up close as a "problem"? I do it all the ******* time to the snippity people that believe that because they have a drop on me that I'll panic and roll over to accept death. This is New Eden. Eat my Forge Gun. When I get up close, surprise you with a shotgun, that is a blaster, that is supposed to whoop your ass as long as I am in range, for you to have enough time to charge up a shot and blap me, that is ridiculous. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 376	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:27:00 - [36] - Quote All I see here is a badass heavy and whiny scout. Swarm launcher is an AV weapon too but it can also be an anti-infantry weapon if you melee someone to death with it. Which, to be honest, is a lot more effective than trying to forge gun at three meters. Forge gun is, has always been and always will be a straight skill weapon, it's like a hip fire sniper rifle with an outrageous fire interval, so when someone actually does get a kill with it, they get all my respect. Doubles ISK
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2288	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:28:00 - [37] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Am I the only one who sees a problem here? The first two shotgun blasts are warning shots. So 1000HP MedFrames get a chance to spray your 300HP Scout with Duvolle or ScR. Anything else would be unfair. Heavies, of course, also benefit from warning shots, but to a lesser degree. In this case, I think the Fatty just got lucky.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:29:00 - [38] - Quote God Hates Lags wrote: All I see here is a badass heavy and whiny scout. Swarm launcher is an AV weapon too but it can also be an anti-infantry weapon if you melee someone to death with it. Which, to be honest, is a lot more effective than trying to forge gun at three meters. Forge gun is, has always been and always will be a straight skill weapon, it's like a hip fire sniper rifle with an outrageous fire interval, so when someone actually does get a kill with it, they get all my respect. Uhh... I really don't understand you people. I use forge guns for ***** and gigglz from once in a while and it's really not that hard to hit targets in close range. I sometimes don't even bother to switch to my SMG. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:30:00 - [39] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Am I the only one who sees a problem here? The first two shotgun blasts are warning shots. So 1000HP MedFrames get a chance to spray your 300HP Scout with Duvolle or ScR. Anything else would be unfair. Heavies, of course, also benefit from warning shots, but to a lesser degree. In this case, I think the Fatty just got lucky. Yay, shotty gobang. If you think so, then charges dropped. You I believe. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 829	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:37:00 - [40] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: When I get up close, surprise you with a shotgun, that is a blaster, that is supposed to whoop your ass as long as I am in range, for you to have enough time to charge up a shot and blap me, that is ridiculous. I had some jackass message me something similar when I kept charging him head on with a HMG and won every fight except for the first one. Why? Because I took notes on how he moved the first time and he was so predictable afterwards I thought I had dozed off during battle again and was dreaming (this has happened twice before- learned my lesson not to play at those times Q_Q). Didn't matter that he was charging me with a shotgun- it was over. I had him known. You probably ran into one of the older heavies that has been doing it for a while. Shame to hear a heavy in the redline, but if he was able to track you up close then there's a chance that he does it often. The charge time for the Forge Guns outside of the Breach variants is also not bad. With max operation, it takes roughly two to three shotgun shots for it to charge up. If it was a prototype assault, then ** the wait. That's a sneeze charge (which I hate). My advanced heavy hit at the 1400 mark for HP without going prototype, so he was more than likely beefy. The only times I've fallen to a shotgun in hat getup was from some sneaky little ** with the shotgun (props to these gentlemen that get passed me) and stayed firmly in my blindspot. I never get angry when people manage to do this. It means they are experienced in dealing with heavies. They've done it for a while. People like me, well, we specialize in target leading and tracking. It's why I'm so fond of the Forge Gun and Plasma Cannon. Those two weapons demand being able to track. Though, I'm not going to say I'm the best or I'm excellent at it. I have T-Rex vision. If you stand still, the chances of me not seeing you is extremely high, especially when you're dampened. However, if you move, your ass is grass. I don't always hit, though I do take pride in it. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."

medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 355	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:37:00 - [41] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. Your mistake was throwing away the element of surprise by firing on a heavy at a distance greater than point blank when you had the stealth advantage. Heavies have a considerable amount of health and you should act accordingly. And yes, the forge gunner killed you fair and square. Actually it's quite impressive that he or she managed to down you with a forge gun at close range; that's worthy of some applause. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:54:00 - [42] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. a shotgun taking down a heavy's HP in three shots? am I the only one who sees a problem here? shotguns are bullshit.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:56:00 - [43] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. a shotgun taking down a heavy's HP in three shots? am I the only one who sees a problem here? shotguns are bullshit. Since when do forge guns have a 10m effective range Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4543	Posted - 2013.11.18 14:58:00 - [44] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. Your mistake was throwing away the element of surprise by firing on a heavy at a distance greater than point blank when you had the stealth advantage. Heavies have a considerable amount of health and you should act accordingly. And yes, the forge gunner killed you fair and square. Actually it's quite impressive that he or she managed to down you with a forge gun at close range; that's worthy of some applause. Applause? A weapon that can lock down an entire area from a safe distance AND perform in close range (It's not that hard) AND take down vehicles, basically making the only counter, dropships, null? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:08:00 - [45] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Kam Elto wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. a shotgun taking down a heavy's HP in three shots? am I the only one who sees a problem here? shotguns are bullshit. Since when do forge guns have a 10m effective range you have like 300HP. he got a lucky shot off close enough to you. but shame on him for redline forging (unless they were redlined).
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4544	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:09:00 - [46] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Kam Elto wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So I see a forge gunner. I close the distance since I have a shotgun... And he turns around. I think "Ok, I'm just 5 meters away, I'll start firing" 1 Shot, shields down. 2nd shot, 1/2 armor down 3rd shot... nope, forge gun charged and kills me. Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Edit: No jackasses, I wasn't running directly at him. I was jumping around in a scout suit. Edit 2: He was inside the redline, sniping my team mates. I decided to get out of my way to take care of him for my team. I had 10 seconds left when I got within range, this was a suicide mission. a shotgun taking down a heavy's HP in three shots? am I the only one who sees a problem here? shotguns are bullshit. Since when do forge guns have a 10m effective range you have like 300HP. he got a lucky shot off close enough to you. but shame on him for redline forging (unless they were redlined). Nope, they weren't redlined. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1176	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:18:00 - [47] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Applause? A weapon that can lock down an entire area from a safe distance AND perform in close range (It's not that hard) AND take down vehicles, basically making the only counter, dropships, null? It's as easy as no-scope sniping at close range. Yep. Total cakewalk. Cat, you've been on these forums long enough to know that whining about being killed by something once in a random match is evidence of nothing whasoever and guaranteed troll bait. Unless that's the goal... ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 576	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:50:00 - [48] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: This problem does not exist only with Scouts 5m away. I have caught Heavies completely off guard with my Laser 75m away and after 3 seconds straight of firing, he'll line up a shot and OHKO me. So, you stayed in the same place long enough for his FG to charge, and then are upset when you get blasted? Not a problem with the forge that you did something incredibly stupid. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 941	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:54:00 - [49] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: This problem does not exist only with Scouts 5m away. I have caught Heavies completely off guard with my Laser 75m away and after 3 seconds straight of firing, he'll line up a shot and OHKO me. So, you stayed in the same place long enough for his FG to charge, and then are upset when you get blasted? Not a problem with the forge that you did something incredibly stupid. The Laser Rifle has heat build up and must be fired for that long continously to ever kill anyone with substantial health, especially armor, which is does a terribly low amount of damage too. I'm talking 200 DPS against armor, here. Obviously, I can't move very quickly while shooting. Are you telling me that there was no possible way to kill him, from any position within my optimal range, including getting him from behind to the head, without getting OHKO'd and it's somehow my fault? GG. Try harder. Also, I use the forge against Snipers and other Forge Gunners and it is hilarious. If you are "skilled" enough, you can completely negate everyone elses skill. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4519	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:56:00 - [50] - Quote soooo nerf the already gimped class? further nerfing the FG? ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"

Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1276	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:58:00 - [51] - Quote The dude was an idiot, he should have whiped out his militia smg and killed you instantly... "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 941	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:59:00 - [52] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: soooo nerf the already gimped class? further nerfing the FG? I wouldn't nerf the Forge Gun at this point, even though I think it's a bit ridiculous that a Heavy 100m above you on a tower can get 10-20 kills and no deaths just firing at pixels and everyone who shoots back gets instantly killed. I just don't think it takes a huge amount of skill to use, like some other players do. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4521	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:00:00 - [53] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: soooo nerf the already gimped class? further nerfing the FG? I wouldn't nerf the Forge Gun at this point, even though I think it's a bit ridiculous that a Heavy 100m above you on a tower can get 10-20 kills and no deaths just firing at pixels and everyone who shoots back gets instantly killed. I just don't think it takes a huge amount of skill to use, like some other players do. More skill than an AR tbh ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 512	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:02:00 - [54] - Quote The forge guns effective range is 0-300m, what is the QQ about? This is like me saying its bullshit that a shotgun is able to kill me in one shot. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1694	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:04:00 - [55] - Quote Heavy was aiming and got the kill Its not like the FG gets help from aim assist unlike the shotgun does so you can never miss
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 941	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:04:00 - [56] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: soooo nerf the already gimped class? further nerfing the FG? I wouldn't nerf the Forge Gun at this point, even though I think it's a bit ridiculous that a Heavy 100m above you on a tower can get 10-20 kills and no deaths just firing at pixels and everyone who shoots back gets instantly killed. I just don't think it takes a huge amount of skill to use, like some other players do. More skill than an AR tbh Oh, no, definitely. Pretty much every gun in the game needs more skill than an AR. The Forge Gun needs skill, just not as much as people say. I whip it out once in a while to take out a HAV, and I kill at least half the people that run at me thinking I'm an easy kill by just waiting for it to flash red and firing. A truly good Forge Gunner is really only killable by another Forge Gunner, a good Sniper or a mass attack. I use the Forge Gun to counter snipe and it is hilarious. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 494	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:07:00 - [57] - Quote Get good, fail scout.
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 576	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:08:00 - [58] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: The Laser Rifle has heat build up and must be fired for that long continously to ever kill anyone with substantial health, especially armor, which is does a terribly low amount of damage too. I'm talking 200 DPS against armor, here. Obviously, I can't move very quickly while shooting. Are you telling me that there was no possible way to kill him, from any position within my optimal range, including getting him from behind to the head, without getting OHKO'd and it's somehow my fault? GG. Try harder. Also, I use the forge against Snipers and other Forge Gunners and it is hilarious. If you are "skilled" enough, you can completely negate everyone elses skill. Using a shield biased weapon against a target with over 1000 armor HP is not exactly the smartest thing to do is it? What most people don't realize, or seem to forget in the heat of combat is how to strafe when firing on a FG user. If your strafe patterns bring you back to the same point twice, enjoy death. Especially if you decide to do figure eights, as the crossover normally happens right around charge up with an IAFG. If something takes you that long to kill, then you need backup. If you can't do it without sitting practically still enough for the FG to get a bead on you, then you shouldn't do anyhting other than strip his shields off and let someone else finish him off. Laser is a fantastic support weapon, and used against a group with greens in place to finish them, you can help to devastate a squad with brutal efficiency. Running the laser solo, against almost any suit is asking for problems. So maybe you should get some friends to play with you before you go complaining about how your poor tactics, poor gear selection allowed a heavy to kill you for being a dummy. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 576	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:10:00 - [59] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: A truly good Forge Gunner is really only killable by another Forge Gunner, a good Sniper or a mass attack. I use the Forge Gun to counter snipe and it is hilarious. You should qualify this by saying a rooftop forge. A forge on the ground is dead meat to any medium frame with an AR and a grenade. Not a problem with the forge, but a problem with the maps. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Drapedup Drippedout G.U.T.Z 76	Posted - 2013.11.18 16:11:00 - [60] - Quote @ OP Heavies get HP buff, Forge splash gets nerfed to 2.0m or so. You are within 5m, wearing cardboard and newspapers for armor and complain when a gun that hits at 400+ splash kills you? QQ. Get gud scrub. If you were 100m away, then you can QQ about splash damage. But inside 5m all he has to do is shoot the ground below you and you will be sent flying. It's as hard as hitting the side of a barn from 10 feet away. Lesson to be learned? Don't run at a guy pointing a gun at you.



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