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lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 349	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:11:00 - [1] - Quote but.... the more proto I wear the more WP I get, and the more SP I earn. No one in this game can say they refuse and wisely want less SP. My proto hives/uplinks/etc. fit better on a proto suit. My proto gun kills quicker and therefore more SP. The game then becomes to kill the lesser( std and adv. suits) faster then my teammates...so a challenge still exists...it just isn't determined by my victims. Do I find myself ever running BPO's? Once in a while when I play alone...but I rarely play alone as I have friends and corp mates. This is a squad based shooter. Actually any fps I ever play is only with friends...(social and micced) Solution? Separate skill tiers. Pretty sure player count can not handle any separation. My hope... Introduce a no capped or advanced SP system for noobs and advertise the hell out of the game. When player counts can sustian separation implement it. The complaints will die if everyone has the option of proto gear...that should be the goal.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5138	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:15:00 - [2] - Quote I use proto gear because if I don't I die pretty much instantly to pretty much any hitscan weapon. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7670	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:40:00 - [3] - Quote I technically have the ISK to run nothing but proto, but pubs are obnoxiously easy using BPO and rolling around solo, sooo..... Story / Vids / OSG
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1509	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:48:00 - [4] - Quote I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... ö/\ö :D
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 553	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:54:00 - [5] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.11.17 16:11:00 - [6] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it Join the Revolution
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1304	Posted - 2013.11.17 16:27:00 - [7] - Quote I use proto gear cuz it makes it a challenge if I die twice I lose isk where if I run adv I can die a lot I'm everyone's type
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 553	Posted - 2013.11.17 16:39:00 - [8] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it These are definitely the words of a butt hurt baby who has been stomped more than once. Let me just say, I feel for ya. I used to be just like you. But the thing is I never expected the higher SP players to be babysitters. Calling someone who is more experienced with more time invested and more skill than you a griefer is ridiculous and pretty funny too. As they say around here, HTFU. And as others have said. The challenge of this game isn't killing dumbass redberries. it's killing more dumbass redberries than your buddies. The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 111	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:03:00 - [9] - Quote I make a challenge to all the players using proto gear Use adv gear and see if you do the same numbers. If not, it's a crutch. Because once those new players who hold their own now get proto gear, you're ******. It's funny cause those same protobears you see now will just leave to a new game once they realize their gear doesn't give them a clear advantage. I don't use my 2 proto suits in pubs because I don't need to, to go 25-3. I do it with skill alone. Ask the guys in WR and Dios the whooping I gave them in adv.
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 227	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:05:00 - [10] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it It's pathetic on a much higher level that you relate proto stomping to beating your kids... n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1114	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:19:00 - [11] - Quote ^ I <3 you Sota "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2614	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:32:00 - [12] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it It's pathetic on a much higher level that you relate proto stomping to beating your kids... It's the principal, you don't do certain things because you know they are wrong, instead of having to be stopped by an outside force. The entire, "I am entitled to be better than new players.", thing is stupid, so is HTFU (one of the douchiest video game terms ever created). Skill > Skill Points Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 228	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:33:00 - [13] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: I make a challenge to all the players using proto gear Use adv gear and see if you do the same numbers. If not, it's a crutch. Because once those new players who hold their own now get proto gear, you're ******. Nope - they still suck. I only use ADV in pubs and it's pretty much just me stomping all. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 626	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:39:00 - [14] - Quote I wanna proto stomp too but the proto scout blows. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 744	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:42:00 - [15] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: I make a challenge to all the players using proto gear Use adv gear and see if you do the same numbers. If not, it's a crutch. Because once those new players who hold their own now get proto gear, you're ******. It's funny cause those same protobears you see now will just leave to a new game once they realize their gear doesn't give them a clear advantage. I don't use my 2 proto suits in pubs because I don't need to, to go 25-3. I do it with skill alone. Ask the guys in WR and Dios the whooping I gave them in adv. i use standard and adv in pubs..and still get high scores in fact pulled a 9/3 4200 wp just this morning all i used adv amarian logi sever bpo standard amarian assault and standard gallente med frame..only weapons i used were the toxin series really it just depends whos on the other team...some blue dots cant handle my standard some can..but cant handle adv...when they're are 6 protos running together and im alone i avoid em..and stay with adv gear..if they start hunting me i swap to standard
Cpl Foster USMC Itayeyuka Uso Wako 317	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:44:00 - [16] - Quote 7 of my 8 fits are based around the Minmatar Medium mk.0 suit... all with the combo of 4 complex Damage mods + 1 Enhanced depending on which weapon is fitted to it....and whatever other 2 mods I put in the low slots.... they range from 100,600 isk to 142,800 isk....per death... sometimes I don't die..(Sniper), sometimes I die 10-15 times..(Frontline).... why ??? because I can afford to...that's why..... when I get the SP for a Proto Heavy suit it will be 8 for 8..... I don't care who wins...I'm just here for the killin'...
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:50:00 - [17] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it These are definitely the words of a butt hurt baby who has been stomped more than once. Let me just say, I feel for ya. I used to be just like you. But the thing is I never expected the higher SP players to be babysitters. Calling someone who is more experienced with more time invested and more skill than you a griefer is ridiculous and pretty funny too. As they say around here, HTFU. And as others have said. The challenge of this game isn't killing dumbass redberries. it's killing more dumbass redberries than your buddies. Your insults are childish I have 19m SP and 416m ISK I have full access to proto gear however I actually have some level of skill and don't feel the need to rely on proto in pub games to do well .. honestly it is laughable that you think doing well in proto gear in pubgames makes you better than someone who does well in ANY GEAR in pub games. My complaints aren't because it is happening to me anymore, my complaints are that it is severely hurting DUST 514 .. it is a game that I enjoy playing and people like you are sending this game to its grave .. there is a reason the current matchmaking isn't workign and that is predominantly down to the size of the playerbase ... and it isn;t increasing and is infact on a gradual decline over the past 6 months Honestly you're basically complaining that new players shouldn;t have anywhere or anything else to do other than being protostomped by you in pubgames, seriously do you have any idea how destructive that mentaility is on a F2P MMO ? Throwing a new born baby in the sea and then saying HTFU is irresponsible as is throwing new players to the wolves on this game and saying HTFU ... you are just being unreasonable Join the Revolution
The Baby Shaker Dem Durrty Boyz 22	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:51:00 - [18] - Quote I use proto because most blueberries are usesless and you usually have to carry your team to win. I hate losing and I will rock full proto all day to pick up the slack
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:52:00 - [19] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it It's pathetic on a much higher level that you relate proto stomping to beating your kids... 1. I don't have any children 2. As somebody else has understood .. the point I was making is that somethings are wrong and you shouldn't be so immature as to need an outside force to physically stop you being able to do it ! Join the Revolution
dazlb72 HELGHAN EXILES 113	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:54:00 - [20] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: but.... the more proto I wear the more WP I get, and the more SP I earn. No one in this game can say they refuse and wisely want less SP. My proto hives/uplinks/etc. fit better on a proto suit. My proto gun kills quicker and therefore more SP. The game then becomes to kill the lesser( std and adv. suits) faster then my teammates...so a challenge still exists...it just isn't determined by my victims. Do I find myself ever running BPO's? Once in a while when I play alone...but I rarely play alone as I have friends and corp mates. This is a squad based shooter. Actually any fps I ever play is only with friends...(social and micced) Solution? Separate skill tiers. Pretty sure player count can not handle any separation. My hope... Introduce a no capped or advanced SP system for noobs and advertise the hell out of the game. When player counts can sustian separation implement it. The complaints will die if everyone has the option of proto gear...that should be the goal. I don't understand what you are guilty of. Using things that it took you months to skill into? as far as I'm concerned you've earned the right to use it. i don't think the muslims breed suicide bombers. They just suffer more from spontaneous combustion

Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 553	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:08:00 - [21] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it These are definitely the words of a butt hurt baby who has been stomped more than once. Let me just say, I feel for ya. I used to be just like you. But the thing is I never expected the higher SP players to be babysitters. Calling someone who is more experienced with more time invested and more skill than you a griefer is ridiculous and pretty funny too. As they say around here, HTFU. And as others have said. The challenge of this game isn't killing dumbass redberries. it's killing more dumbass redberries than your buddies. Your insults are childish I have 19m SP and 416m ISK I have full access to proto gear however I actually have some level of skill and don't feel the need to rely on proto in pub games to do well .. honestly it is laughable that you think doing well in proto gear in pubgames makes you better than someone who does well in ANY GEAR in pub games. My complaints aren't because it is happening to me anymore, my complaints are that it is severely hurting DUST 514 .. it is a game that I enjoy playing and people like you are sending this game to its grave .. there is a reason the current matchmaking isn't workign and that is predominantly down to the size of the playerbase ... and it isn;t increasing and is infact on a gradual decline over the past 6 months Honestly you're basically complaining that new players shouldn;t have anywhere or anything else to do other than being protostomped by you in pubgames, seriously do you have any idea how destructive that mentaility is on a F2P MMO ? Throwing a new born baby in the sea and then saying HTFU is irresponsible as is throwing new players to the wolves on this game and saying HTFU ... you are just being unreasonable Ok. First of all I'm not meaning to be childish and insulting. Just pointing out the facts. Sorry if they are unfortunate. Second, as pointed out earlier in the thread, you're basically equating beating children and throwing babies to wolves to playing a video game. As soon as you start with that BS it is kind of hard to take you seriously. Third, I'm not complaining about anything. I just pointed out that I use proto gear. You don't. OK. Big deal. At least you know with me you're getting the best I have to offer. When you kill me I'm not just trolling around in some bullshit std or bpo suit. Even so I still have plenty of ISK in the bank. The funniest part is all of you scrubs claim that proto gear is a "crutch" but the real crutch is blaming proto gear for all of your problems and deaths in the game. The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 229	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:09:00 - [22] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it It's pathetic on a much higher level that you relate proto stomping to beating your kids... 1. I don't have any children 2. As somebody else has understood .. the point I was making is that somethings are wrong and you shouldn't be so immature as to need an outside force to physically stop you being able to do it ! I'm glad you found another scrub to agree with you. It's a wonderful idea to call out people for using gear they earned with ISK they earned. It just - makes sense, right? I mean, if you're playing Starcraft 2 you should never get tech 3 before your enemies because, hey, they can't keep up! Right? >_> Or let's make this easier - if you're on minecraft you using full diamond = you scrub. Who cares it took you hours of digging to get - the other guys didn't spend that much time doing it so it unfair!!!! DOWN WITH THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THERE STUFF! n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2099	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:21:00 - [23] - Quote LOL @ people comparing the use of high level gear in a videogame to physical abuse on minors. I'm somehow worried about people confusing videogames with real life and referring to criminal actions. Same goes for this topic, same comment in there https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1503894#post1503894 -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:22:00 - [24] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... These are definitely the words of a butt hurt baby who has been stomped more than once. Let me just say, I feel for ya. I used to be just like you. But the thing is I never expected the higher SP players to be babysitters. Calling someone who is more experienced with more time invested and more skill than you a griefer is ridiculous and pretty funny too. As they say around here, HTFU. And as others have said. The challenge of this game isn't killing dumbass redberries. it's killing more dumbass redberries than your buddies. e 1. They aren't facts they are your opinions, you have no evidence to back up your statements and are merely making presumptions. 2. I am using them as examples, I am not directly saying that they are the same thing i'm taking an extreme scenario to emphasise a point .. being thrown to the wolves is a common metaphor and isn't meant to be taken literally .. sheesh I never thought I'd have to explain that to someone 3. The problem is protostomping in every single gamemode .. there has to be somewhere for new players to go that isn't just a pen for slaughter by the guys using proto .. is it really that difficult for you to understand ? This is a game .. there has to be something fun for everyone who plays to do and right now the fun is confined to 5% of the population crushing the other 95% 4. No one blames Proto gear for every problem or death in this game that's just you expressing a daft opinion with nothing to back the statement up Join the Revolution
STABBEY Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 467	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:23:00 - [25] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Spectre-M wrote: I make a challenge to all the players using proto gear Use adv gear and see if you do the same numbers. If not, it's a crutch. Because once those new players who hold their own now get proto gear, you're ******. Nope - they still suck. I only use ADV in pubs and it's pretty much just me stomping all. Sota.. Before i quit playing for 3-4 weeks Any time I saw you in a Pub match you were in proto. I've seen a lot of your BS posts lately saying you've never ran proto in pubs you go in and try and help new players blablabla Ive ran into you when you were solo and running in squad and I have never seen you in anything less than proto lol Unless this ADV noob helper crap is a new development.. I call BS I did enjoy the challenge of 1v1's with a beast heavy tho And yes I proto stomp now, before I quit playing for a month I ran nothing but BPO in pubs and got extremely bored. SO I will proto stomp until I get bored.
MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 107	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:33:00 - [26] - Quote My problem isn't with the use of proto gear itself, it's with the matchmaking system that fails to adequately respond to it. Team 1: Average Lifetime SP: 15,000,000 Team 2: Average Lifetime SP: 2,000,000 Pub matches shouldn't end up being two six man proto squads from top-tier corps vs. sixteen clueless blueberries. Someone needs to get to writing a matchmaking code that takes some more important factors into account than just first space available. If I were coding it, I'd base it on total average SP and recent win/loss statistics (get the teams nearly even on average SP and try to get people who are losing a lot on a favored team, and people who are winning a lot on the underdog team)
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 231	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:35:00 - [27] - Quote STABBEY wrote: SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Spectre-M wrote: I make a challenge to all the players using proto gear Use adv gear and see if you do the same numbers. If not, it's a crutch. Because once those new players who hold their own now get proto gear, you're ******. Nope - they still suck. I only use ADV in pubs and it's pretty much just me stomping all. Sota.. Before i quit playing for 3-4 weeks Any time I saw you in a Pub match you were in proto. I've seen a lot of your BS posts lately saying you've never ran proto in pubs you go in and try and help new players blablabla Ive ran into you when you were solo and running in squad and I have never seen you in anything less than proto lol Unless this ADV noob helper crap is a new development.. I call BS I did enjoy the challenge of 1v1's with a beast heavy tho And yes I proto stomp now, before I quit playing for a month I ran nothing but BPO in pubs and got extremely bored. SO I will proto stomp until I get bored. You're either blind or stupid. I'm going with both. I haven't seen you in a game in literally months and you're going to call me out on experiences you had once or twice in a years time? The only proto gear I have is my FG suit for added survivability which helps - none. Unlike your accusations I have people who can vouch I don't use proto in pubs. And haven't since Open Beta. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 139	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:35:00 - [28] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it I'm assuming you run around with nothing but a repper,because killing is wrong right?? Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Free tacos
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 909	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:36:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I technically have the ISK to run nothing but proto, but pubs are obnoxiously easy using BPO and rolling around solo, sooo..... I echo this, I rarely run in anything other than militia or standard BPOs despite having plenty of ISK and 22 mil SP. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war. SoonGäó514
lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 351	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:38:00 - [30] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it wow? Umm beating my kids profits me nothing...running proto gear profits much. May be you are trolling and being sarcastic? The way to fix was in the thread...everyone runs proto gear.

Cosgar ParagonX 7840	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:39:00 - [31] - Quote I wish I could get more WP by running all proto equipment. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 939	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:41:00 - [32] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: It's pathetic on a much higher level that you relate proto stomping to beating your kids... So true. People who claim that this kind of analogy is valid are fools. Kicking someones butt in a videogame is in no way relate to real life. Not only does it cause no physical pain to the asskickee it should cause no mental anguish either. This is just a game after all. If people are too stupid to be able to separate reality from games in such a way that they suffer serious mental distress from getting proto stomped then they don't have the maturity to play video games and should take up a "less strenuous" hobby like filling in coloring books. It seems like the current trend in video games is that they can be beaten, which I take real issue with. Thanks to video games being intended to be beaten we get all sorts of kids complaining when someone hands them their ass in a multiplayer game. Back in the good old days video games weren't meant to be beaten. They were hard. You had to work for a long time to get good enough to actually get through a level let alone the impossibly long and complex game. CCP don't pander to video gamings wussy majority. Make the game hard. Force players to compete using actual skill and continue to reward those who stick with the game. We don't need another ego boosting powder puff game. In the world of DUST/ The words are all in haiku/ Tweets are just too long
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 361	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:46:00 - [33] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: but.... the more proto I wear the more WP I get, and the more SP I earn. No one in this game can say they refuse and wisely want less SP. My proto hives/uplinks/etc. fit better on a proto suit. My proto gun kills quicker and therefore more SP. The game then becomes to kill the lesser( std and adv. suits) faster then my teammates...so a challenge still exists...it just isn't determined by my victims. Do I find myself ever running BPO's? Once in a while when I play alone...but I rarely play alone as I have friends and corp mates. This is a squad based shooter. Actually any fps I ever play is only with friends...(social and micced) Solution? Separate skill tiers. Pretty sure player count can not handle any separation. My hope... Introduce a no capped or advanced SP system for noobs and advertise the hell out of the game. When player counts can sustian separation implement it. The complaints will die if everyone has the option of proto gear...that should be the goal. Excuses excuses at least go play PC instead of pub matches and FW. *Assassination is my thing.*
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 231	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:49:00 - [34] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: lDocHollidayl wrote: but.... the more proto I wear the more WP I get, and the more SP I earn. No one in this game can say they refuse and wisely want less SP. My proto hives/uplinks/etc. fit better on a proto suit. My proto gun kills quicker and therefore more SP. The game then becomes to kill the lesser( std and adv. suits) faster then my teammates...so a challenge still exists...it just isn't determined by my victims. Do I find myself ever running BPO's? Once in a while when I play alone...but I rarely play alone as I have friends and corp mates. This is a squad based shooter. Actually any fps I ever play is only with friends...(social and micced) Solution? Separate skill tiers. Pretty sure player count can not handle any separation. My hope... Introduce a no capped or advanced SP system for noobs and advertise the hell out of the game. When player counts can sustian separation implement it. The complaints will die if everyone has the option of proto gear...that should be the goal. Excuses excuses at least go play PC instead of pub matches and FW. If we could cap out using PC we would never touch pubs again - but it's really hard and not possible for the majority of us. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 351	Posted - 2013.11.17 18:53:00 - [35] - Quote I play PC's often, take a look at the starmap. Proto everything gets more WP and therefore more SP. Adjust the cap and get everyone in proto.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:07:00 - [36] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: ] SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it It's pathetic on a much higher level that you relate proto stomping to beating your kids... 1. I don't have any children 2. As somebody else has understood .. the point I was making is that somethings are wrong and you shouldn't be so immature as to need an outside force to physically stop you being able to do it ! I had written a response to all the points you made but then I realised that I reported your main for trolling and am the reason why you got banned and have had to resort to posting on an alt I already know based on your history on these forums that all you do is troll and you clearly either are too ignorant to see the actual problem with protostomping or are just trolling and either way it is pointless to continue discussing the issue with you any further so I bid you adieu Join the Revolution
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:11:00 - [37] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: It's pathetic on a much higher level that you relate proto stomping to beating your kids... So true. People who claim that this kind of analogy is valid are fools. Kicking someones butt in a videogame is in no way relate to real life. Not only does it cause no physical pain to the asskickee it should cause no mental anguish either. This is just a game after all. If people are too stupid to be able to separate reality from games in such a way that they suffer serious mental distress from getting proto stomped then they don't have the maturity to play video games and should take up a "less strenuous" hobby like filling in coloring books. It seems like the current trend in video games is that they can be beaten, which I take real issue with. Thanks to video games being intended to be beaten we get all sorts of kids complaining when someone hands them their ass in a multiplayer game. Back in the good old days video games weren't meant to be beaten. They were hard. You had to work for a long time to get good enough to actually get through a level let alone the impossibly long and complex game. CCP don't pander to video gamings wussy majority. Make the game hard. Force players to compete using actual skill and continue to reward those who stick with the game. We don't need another ego boosting powder puff game. Umm .. how is running in a full squad of proto killing a team of random blueberries in militia gear an indicator of skill ? Way to mix the arguments up ... the reason people complain about protostomping in pubgames is that it's the easy thing to do .. it avoids the concept of being challenged .. if these guys wanted a challenge why would they run their most expensive gear against less skilled and less geared players ???? Surely they'd be doing PC/FW against better skilled and better geared opponents but no .. they go to the 1 place new players go to learn and play the game to get easy kills Join the Revolution
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1512	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:12:00 - [38] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: I had written a response to all the points you made but then I realised that I reported your main for trolling and am the reason why you got banned and have had to resort to posting on an alt I already know based on your history on these forums that all you do is troll and you clearly either are too ignorant to see the actual problem with protostomping or are just trolling and either way it is pointless to continue discussing the issue with you any further so I bid you adieu I have the skills to use the best gear. I have the money to use the best gear. I know the risks of using the best gear. So I use it. What's wrong with that? If CCP takes away the ability to Protostomp, the game will no longer be fun. Honestly, I'd rather fight Protostompers (had some relatively close matches against TP and AE in FW lately) and actually have a challenge than completely redline someone. ö/\ö :D
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 486	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:20:00 - [39] - Quote So how are you going to get better at the game if you have no skill challenge, shooting the reds before your blues can isn't a challenge, a challenge is when you have to work, die, or struggle for your kill(or win). Killing a noob isn't a challenge, killing a STD suit while you're in a proto suit isn't a challenge. Proto stompers are either broke, or corp paid, and the fact that billionaire corps can dish out proto money for all their elite players, through holding their infinite ISK source, so that they can stomp all the players not proto stomping, is game-breaking. Until CCP can balance matches, putting full squads vs full squads, and not full team of solo-players vs two full squads all running proto, this is game-breaking (for players who aren't in huge corps and can't afford to run proto). I have 190mil ISK, and I could run proto every game, but I choose to run advanced and standard so that I hone my skills and always improve. *-Minmatar Scout-* *-Minmatar Logistics-* *-Mass Driver and Sniper Rifle Expert-*
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 232	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:23:00 - [40] - Quote "OMG he trolled, his points must be invalid!" This is why no one is taking you seriously and why everyone is calling you bad. You don't even know who to properly blame. You're relating child abuse to proto stomping instead of blaming CCP for bad mechanics, yet you're above talking to a troll? Get out of here kid, no one wants to listen to you anyways. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!

Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:24:00 - [41] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: I had written a response to all the points you made but then I realised that I reported your main for trolling and am the reason why you got banned and have had to resort to posting on an alt I already know based on your history on these forums that all you do is troll and you clearly either are too ignorant to see the actual problem with protostomping or are just trolling and either way it is pointless to continue discussing the issue with you any further so I bid you adieu I have the skills to use the best gear. I have the money to use the best gear. I know the risks of using the best gear. So I use it. What's wrong with that? If CCP takes away the ability to Protostomp, the game will no longer be fun. Honestly, I'd rather fight Protostompers (had some relatively close matches against TP and AE in FW lately) and actually have a challenge than completely redline someone. No one has said to remove it entirely from the game .. just give something .. anything that players can do to avoid it if they do so wish eg PVE Alot of the complaints would die down if you could just up and leave a protostomp and go do some PVE instead Right now the only real way to avoid it is to simply not play the game ..which is why the player numbers have been on a gradual decline over the past 6 months Join the Revolution
Toyboi The Rainbow Effect 169	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:24:00 - [42] - Quote You guys think too much If you try to land people on the moon and something go's wrong people die..
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 560	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:33:00 - [43] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: the reason people complain about protostomping in pubgames is that it's the easy thing to do .. it avoids the concept of being challenged .. if these guys wanted a challenge why would they run their most expensive gear against less skilled and less geared players ???? Surely they'd be doing PC/FW against better skilled and better geared opponents but no .. they go to the 1 place new players go to learn and play the game to get easy kills Played PC since it started, ring regularly. Guess what, not enough business to go around. Go into FW, and lo! there before me is a whole sea of complete bums, red line sniping at the start of the match, never capping a flag, zerging out of a cru into a spawn camp. Because they screw up my attempt to not play pubs, I then proceed to head into the pubs to make my money back. Scrubs will die no matter what they wear, and bargain players trying to eke out ISK will get what they paid for. Every time I see a MLT or STD suit in FW, I proceed to play 10 pubs in full proto just to make you cry. Now go spread the gospel amongst the other cowards and crybabies to stay in pubs, and never venture into FW. Then maybe, once I no longer have to deal with idiots who don't actually play to win, I will stay out of pubs. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 352	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:56:00 - [44] - Quote FW used to be the proto ground...but lately it has been invaded...my squads seek out good fw games. If we see 1 race losing we play for them. It would be nice to bring back vets and protos and have the FW be the mode of choice.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1250	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:57:00 - [45] - Quote Congratulations CCP. You've actually managed to get your playerbase running a dozen simultaneous threads on the relative moral value of what is the ethical way to kill. In an FPS. In New Eden, of all places. I would have bet it couldn't be done. Take a bow. Is this on your radar yet? I support SP rollover.
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3364	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:58:00 - [46] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: FW used to be the proto ground...but lately it has been invaded...my squads seek out good fw games. If we see 1 race losing we play for them. It would be nice to bring back vets and protos and have the FW be the mode of choice. Please yes. We need something to scare the blueberries away from FW. Thanks for the hotfix CCP, Light Frames having 20m scan was so OP!
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 6	Posted - 2013.11.17 21:06:00 - [47] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: 7 of my 8 fits are based around the Minmatar Medium mk.0 suit... all with the combo of 4 complex Damage mods + 1 Enhanced depending on which weapon is fitted to it....and whatever other 2 mods I put in the low slots.... they range from 100,600 isk to 142,800 isk....per death... sometimes I don't die..(Sniper), sometimes I die 10-15 times..(Frontline).... why ??? because I can afford to...that's why..... when I get the SP for a Proto Heavy suit it will be 8 for 8..... Dying 10-15 times with a proto suit? Thats kinda sad
Vesago Ghostcore Rejected Clones 89	Posted - 2013.11.17 21:09:00 - [48] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: I make a challenge to all the players using proto gear Use adv gear and see if you do the same numbers. If not, it's a crutch. Because once those new players who hold their own now get proto gear, you're ******. It's funny cause those same protobears you see now will just leave to a new game once they realize their gear doesn't give them a clear advantage. I don't use my 2 proto suits in pubs because I don't need to, to go 25-3. I do it with skill alone. Ask the guys in WR and Dios the whooping I gave them in adv. What more likely to cause noobs to quit? "oh my gosh! hes wearing proto stuff that ill be able to use in a few weeks!" or "I don't use my 2 proto suits in pubs because I don't need to, to go 25-3. I do it with skill alone. Ask the guys in WR and Dios the whooping I gave them in adv."
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7685	Posted - 2013.11.17 21:12:00 - [49] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Cpl Foster USMC wrote: 7 of my 8 fits are based around the Minmatar Medium mk.0 suit... all with the combo of 4 complex Damage mods + 1 Enhanced depending on which weapon is fitted to it....and whatever other 2 mods I put in the low slots.... they range from 100,600 isk to 142,800 isk....per death... sometimes I don't die..(Sniper), sometimes I die 10-15 times..(Frontline).... why ??? because I can afford to...that's why..... when I get the SP for a Proto Heavy suit it will be 8 for 8..... Dying 10-15 times with a medium proto suit? Thats kinda sad Went ahead and fixed that for you Story / Vids / OSG
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7687	Posted - 2013.11.17 21:41:00 - [50] - Quote Speak of the devil Story / Vids / OSG

lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 354	Posted - 2013.11.17 21:45:00 - [51] - Quote [quote=DUST Fiend]Speak of the devil [/quote Even for grinding between football games... proto more likely to get me the 1000 WP. Makes for more efficient time. But I will put together a cheap suit for the challenge...might feel good to make isk in a match or two.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 59	Posted - 2013.11.17 21:50:00 - [52] - Quote I dont know what the big fuzz is about. Some people play full proto even in pub matches, wich i consider a try-hard-ish thing to do SPEACIALLY if you are playing with your squad...but its in the game,so use it. Funny story: Yesterday i was vs a squad of Fully Proto copr memeber who wont be mentioned since they roam aroudn in the forums too,but you know who you are. GÖª I was getting Proto/squad stomped while playing as a/with randoms GÖª Research lab map GÖª Go take A AND B GÖª Got murdered 3 times in a ROW. GÖª Took D GÖª 2 LAV's came, 6 proto dudes fsted me butt GÖª 4 deaths , 200 WP, mid game through. GÖª About to rage quit GÖª lightbulb over my head GÖª I dont like playing like this but well. GÖª Amarr Logi+Cx Profile dampner+R/E+Core Locus Grenades+Quantum active scanner+nanohives +Mass Driver. 650EHP. GÖª Take C GÖª Stay inside scannig GÖª 2 LAVs approach GÖª drop R/Es in one entrance GÖª 3 proto guys dead. GÖª Run upstairs GÖª Cook grenade GÖªEverybody fd up GÖª Start mashing R1 GÖª Got 3 More kills This went on until i reached 25-4 and they still, send me RAGE mail. Saying how I was a coward and i should learn gun game.** LOL. Im a problem solver thats all....
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7690	Posted - 2013.11.17 22:51:00 - [53] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Speak of the devil Even for grinding between football games... proto more likely to get me the 1000 WP. Makes for more efficient time. But I will put together a cheap suit for the challenge...might feel good to make isk in a match or two. I'm not hatin', I love going against proto squads in BPO crap, it's fun for me. Definitely don't hit 1000 WP consistently though, not without equipment anyways. Story / Vids / OSG
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 11	Posted - 2013.11.17 23:51:00 - [54] - Quote I don't mind. Killing guys hiding behind proto suits is fun. Destroying a million ISK in proto suits is fun. i cackle with glee when i shotgun em, or after they take me down i read ''+25 kill assist'' as my squad mates mop up. Plus its good training for PC, where every body runs proto. But i certainly don't respect proto runners, mostly because i never see two squads of proto going at each other. One side always chickens out and runs free ***. You guys are like the kid that always picked shao khan in mortal kombat, or the defending champions in every sports game, the guy who rolls around on the ground after getting brushed in soccer. The kind of people who play games on the easiest mode then brag about how you finished with the high score. Yet you earned the right to use proto gear, or bought active boosters contributing revenue to DUST. There is a need for proto is certain situations. By all means you can do what you want with your proto suit. Fighting harder to kill you improves my skills. Just don't expect to garner respect for it. Case in point Nyan San. I fly I shoot I rep I tank/ Heavy, Scout, Assault and Logi at range/ I'm the Jack of all trades/ Master of Some
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 11	Posted - 2013.11.17 23:56:00 - [55] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: I dont know what the big fuzz is about. Some people play full proto even in pub matches, wich i consider a try-hard-ish thing to do SPEACIALLY if you are playing with your squad...but its in the game,so use it. Funny story: Yesterday i was vs a squad of Fully Proto copr memeber who wont be mentioned since they roam aroudn in the forums too,but you know who you are. GÖª I was getting Proto/squad stomped while playing as a/with randoms GÖª Research lab map GÖª Go take A AND B GÖª Got murdered 3 times in a ROW. GÖª Took D GÖª 2 LAV's came, 6 proto dudes fsted me butt GÖª 4 deaths , 200 WP, mid game through. GÖª About to rage quit GÖª lightbulb over my head GÖª I dont like playing like this but well. GÖª Amarr Logi+Cx Profile dampner+R/E+Core Locus Grenades+Quantum active scanner+nanohives +Mass Driver. 600EHP. GÖª Take C GÖª Stay inside scannig GÖª 2 LAVs approach GÖª drop R/Es in one entrance GÖª 3 proto guys dead. GÖª Run upstairs GÖª Cook grenade GÖªEverybody fd up GÖª Start mashing R1 GÖª Got 3 More kills This went on until i reached 25-4 and they still, send me RAGE mail. Saying how I was a coward and i should learn gun game.** LOL. Im a problem solver thats all.... lol, dat feeling after you kill a proto, they rage and bring another one, and you kill that one too. feelsgoodman.jpeg *I fly I shoot I rep I tank/ Heavy, Scout, Assault and Logi at range/ I'm the Jack of all trades/ Master of Some
davis fritz Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.11.18 00:28:00 - [56] - Quote It frustrates me at times to go against full squads running full proto 24/7 in pub matches but all in all they have the funds to do so. If I had the funds run my proto gear 24/7, I'd probably do it too. Well not probably. I would
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 113	Posted - 2013.11.18 05:00:00 - [57] - Quote Vesago Ghostcore wrote: Spectre-M wrote: I make a challenge to all the players using proto gear Use adv gear and see if you do the same numbers. If not, it's a crutch. Because once those new players who hold their own now get proto gear, you're ******. It's funny cause those same protobears you see now will just leave to a new game once they realize their gear doesn't give them a clear advantage. I don't use my 2 proto suits in pubs because I don't need to, to go 25-3. I do it with skill alone. Ask the guys in WR and Dios the whooping I gave them in adv. What more likely to cause noobs to quit? "oh my gosh! hes wearing proto stuff that ill be able to use in a few weeks!" or "I don't use my 2 proto suits in pubs because I don't need to, to go 25-3. I do it with skill alone. Ask the guys in WR and Dios the whooping I gave them in adv." When I first started playing, I couldn't get any kills with all the protobears running around. Getting killed by someone in gear closer to your meta feels fair. When a full squad of AE start killing the other team in all proto fits, the players quit the match. I rarely see adv grief. See previous posts to see what newer players think.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:01:00 - [58] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: the reason people complain about protostomping in pubgames is that it's the easy thing to do .. it avoids the concept of being challenged .. if these guys wanted a challenge why would they run their most expensive gear against less skilled and less geared players ???? Surely they'd be doing PC/FW against better skilled and better geared opponents but no .. they go to the 1 place new players go to learn and play the game to get easy kills Played PC since it started, ring regularly. Guess what, not enough business to go around. Go into FW, and lo! there before me is a whole sea of complete bums, red line sniping at the start of the match, never capping a flag, zerging out of a cru into a spawn camp. Because they screw up my attempt to not play pubs, I then proceed to head into the pubs to make my money back. Scrubs will die no matter what they wear, and bargain players trying to eke out ISK will get what they paid for. Every time I see a MLT or STD suit in FW, I proceed to play 10 pubs in full proto just to make you cry. Now go spread the gospel amongst the other cowards and crybabies to stay in pubs, and never venture into FW. Then maybe, once I no longer have to deal with idiots who don't actually play to win, I will stay out of pubs. I can use full proto and if you do that then instead of me using proto in FW, if you are on my team I will switch out into militia and spin around in the mcc What you plan on doing wont affect me in the slightest but will affect potential new players joining the game who could well have been the very guys stood along side you fighting New players do FW to try and get away from the protostomps in pubgames .. which you then decide to do because they take part in FW ... only an idiot would continue to take part in this cycle through choice and then complain about the end result lol I love how me posting on an alt and saying there's a problem results in the same scrubs telling ME to HTFU and deal with it when I'm not the one on the end of the stomping lol Join the Revolution
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.11.18 10:14:00 - [59] - Quote Vesago Ghostcore wrote: Spectre-M wrote: I make a challenge to all the players using proto gear Use adv gear and see if you do the same numbers. If not, it's a crutch. Because once those new players who hold their own now get proto gear, you're ******. It's funny cause those same protobears you see now will just leave to a new game once they realize their gear doesn't give them a clear advantage. I don't use my 2 proto suits in pubs because I don't need to, to go 25-3. I do it with skill alone. Ask the guys in WR and Dios the whooping I gave them in adv. What more likely to cause noobs to quit? "oh my gosh! hes wearing proto stuff that ill be able to use in a few weeks!" or "I don't use my 2 proto suits in pubs because I don't need to, to go 25-3. I do it with skill alone. Ask the guys in WR and Dios the whooping I gave them in adv." 1.A few weeks = 5 weeks of capping out just for a proto suit and that isn't taking into account the proto mods, passives that you need to actually make the suit viable so your actually talking about 10m sp + .. which is longer than a few weeks and more like 4 months 2.Throwing players just out of the academy against protosquads of experienced players who then proceed to slaughter them over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for the 4 months minimum it will take to get to that level is what causes new players to quit .. people don't mind putting the time in if they can at least have some fun .. being killed repeatedly on an FPS game is not fun 3. If a new player sees someone using the same gear as them and doing well they will think, 'o.O that guy is in the same gear as me and did great .. if I keep playing and get better maybe I can do that good too' .. incentivised to play more .... when they see guys in proto gear doing well and realise that it will take 4 months to get on that level and they'll have to continue getting slaughtered until then makes them think 'Can I really put up with this for 4 months and do nothing else but get slaughtered by these guys ?' The answer to this is usually .. No .. if a game isn't fun what reason is their to play it ? It seems to me alot of peopel actually forget that a game is supposed to be 'fun' and this HTFU, Get Good, Welcome to New Eden attitude is moronic .. if a game isn't fun people simply wont come and play it I want this game to succeed and it wont if it continues on the path it's on .. new players are like children .. without them ... eventually our race of mercs will die .. Join the Revolution
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 961	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:32:00 - [60] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: It's pathetic on a much higher level that you relate proto stomping to beating your kids... So true. People who claim that this kind of analogy is valid are fools. Kicking someones butt in a videogame is in no way relate to real life. Not only does it cause no physical pain to the asskickee it should cause no mental anguish either. This is just a game after all. If people are too stupid to be able to separate reality from games in such a way that they suffer serious mental distress from getting proto stomped then they don't have the maturity to play video games and should take up a "less strenuous" hobby like filling in coloring books. It seems like the current trend in video games is that they can be beaten, which I take real issue with. Thanks to video games being intended to be beaten we get all sorts of kids complaining when someone hands them their ass in a multiplayer game. Back in the good old days video games weren't meant to be beaten. They were hard. You had to work for a long time to get good enough to actually get through a level let alone the impossibly long and complex game. CCP don't pander to video gamings wussy majority. Make the game hard. Force players to compete using actual skill and continue to reward those who stick with the game. We don't need another ego boosting powder puff game. Umm .. how is running in a full squad of proto killing a team of random blueberries in militia gear an indicator of skill ? Way to mix the arguments up ... the reason people complain about protostomping in pubgames is that it's the easy thing to do .. it avoids the concept of being challenged .. if these guys wanted a challenge why would they run their most expensive gear against less skilled and less geared players ???? Surely they'd be doing PC/FW against better skilled and better geared opponents but no .. they go to the 1 place new players go to learn and play the game to get easy kills Clearly you didn't read my post. I in no way said that proto stomping took skill but rather than people who complain about getting stomped are too used to easy games that give them that fuzzy "I can do anything" bullshit feeling. An issue that i believe has been created in part by the transition of games from not intending to be beat towards intending to be beaten easily. Fun > Realism

Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 8	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:41:00 - [61] - Quote There should be a militia gear only match maker. Since everyone in the battle can only use militia gear and the players SP won't effect that gear then it comes down to player skill. This will allow new players to learn the game without being murdered and it would give vets a chance to peel off their proto/officer gear and have more of a challenge.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 737	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:59:00 - [62] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I've never been in a match with AE where any of them wasn't running Proto.... My whole squad got a hatemail from an RND member yesterday that said "STOP RUNNING PROTO IN PUBS". We all loled a little bit. I don't know what his problem was either. He killed me 3 times.... But on the subject of proto gear, I agree with OP. This is a video game. I'm playing it for enjoyment. And I enjoy making more SP with better gear and I enjoy getting more kills with better weapons. If I can afford to run it, I will run it. 'I beat my kids, I'm stronger than them so why not ? The police don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' 'I use proto in pubgames, I can afford to do it so why not ? CCP don't stop me doing it so why is it wrong ?' All your comment does is prove that the only way to stop it is to make it so that you can't do it, you refuse to acknowledge what is a serious problem leading to such poor player retention that is stopping the game progressing. You are clearly a griefer who would rather ruin the game for new players than actually have a challenging match against players of a similar gear level If I was as pathetic as you and played games solely to get easy wins rather than play a game to be challenged and work for a win then I'd just go out and buy myself a trophy that says 'I win' on it and be done with it +1 I know deer hunters who cop the same excuse for bagging a buck with a big rack. "I earned my assault rifle and can afford to use it so that damn deer had it coming." If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
Cass Caul 317	Posted - 2013.11.18 17:44:00 - [63] - Quote I am both a user of BPO suits in pubs and a member of AE. Post-cap is when you'll see me use them though. Unless I'm on those new maps. I hate them. I hate them so much. I'm just going to make sure everyone else hates playing on them too. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ A girl, on the internet?! I roll to disbelieve.


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