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Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 485	Posted - 2013.11.17 03:24:00 - [1] - Quote I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2601	Posted - 2013.11.17 03:27:00 - [2] - Quote lol Your pulling an Aztec; telling a group of people they are doing it wrong. Brings new back, good times, good times... Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 290	Posted - 2013.11.17 03:30:00 - [3] - Quote So you give anecdotal evidence and now feel like everyone who runs scouts is wrong? I want you to go into PC with a scout. I want you to stack a medium frame and follow the exact same advice you give. Let us know your results!
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 963	Posted - 2013.11.17 03:52:00 - [4] - Quote I run a speed tanked Scout as one of my fits and I score very well. Its not that anyone is doing it wrong, its other factors. Just run the suit on how you built it and just let things be. Do not eat the yellow snow
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2216	Posted - 2013.11.17 03:54:00 - [5] - Quote Ok not touching this one...... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 982	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:04:00 - [6] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. Yep, i've done the same thing. I basically turned my light frame suit into a medium-frame assault suit, except I get to take advantage of the smaller hitbox and faster speed (than my amarr assault). It's pretty fun, except for the anemic CPU/PG and reletively low speed for a "fast" suit. @ Galvan Nized Scouts are very deadly in PC. Some of the top slayers in PC are scouts. People, you need to realize that if you're bad at shooting, then you are bad at shooting and nothing can help you except practice and OP weapons. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean someone else can't.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 51	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:05:00 - [7] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. Scouts are UP as f still: Check this out: Mk.0 scout GÖª3x Complex shield Ext GÖªComplex reactive plates GÖªBasic armor plates GÖªIshikune assault SMG (Main) GÖªToxin AR (Sidearm XD) GÖªLocus grenade GÖªCompact nanohive 590 Total EHP, 30 scan profile,8.08 speed I 've gotten games 35(or more) 5 (Or less) With this scout. BUT, ITS VERY VERYVERY, Map dependant. If i have cover i can play.With no cover ANYTHING will drop me in 1 second. Hit detection is way too powerful so much than a Scout running at 10.4 Speed cannot even dodge a SINGLE AR bullet.... And each time i die i loose delicious 120k.... Scouts need a buff.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 106	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:07:00 - [8] - Quote Zekain wrote: The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp Isnt this most matches... You must have gotten Lol nubs. And the fact you run an exile shows that you are an assault, not a real scout. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 228	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:11:00 - [9] - Quote You are not a dedicated scout and run the Scout fit every so often. I have an Assault alt that i run every so often but i'm not a dedicated Assault user - stop b-tching about people b-tching..it only stirs things up - and aggravates people. The only good troll is a funny troll and you aren't funny. and also...that is not a Scout fit what so ever...it is putrid The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! ~ Proud Sniper
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 982	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:12:00 - [10] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Zekain wrote: The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp Isnt this most matches... You must have gotten Lol nubs. And the fact you run an exile shows that you are an assault, not a real scout. WTF is a real scout?

LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 106	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:18:00 - [11] - Quote To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 231	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:20:00 - [12] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. Don't forget the Sniper The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! ~ Proud Sniper
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 625	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:23:00 - [13] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. thats cute, tourist. you ran 4 games do you feel four games is sufficient to judge a class? what did the scout suit do for you? clearly it didn't speed about the battlefield, it's plated and there aren't any biotics. it didn't sneek about either it's mini and un-damped. so in essence you have an mlt med frame... congrats? i'm gonna be straight with you a light frame is nothing but a hinderence anything a light frame can do a med does better. that is why we complain not because we can't get kills. scary scout is scary, but also useless. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Cosgar ParagonX 7815	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:23:00 - [14] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. That's a specific playstyle. Not one that should define a game mechanic. Dust is supposed to have a sandbox style character customization. Heavy snipers, shotgun assaults and all that. There's no wrong way to play a scout, (or any class) just what makes people comfortable. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 982	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:26:00 - [15] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. Oooookkaay. Let me rephrase the question. WTF is a real scout supposed to do? WHAT is it's purpose on the battlefield, and HOW does it go about fulfilling that purpose?
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 473	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:26:00 - [16] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. +1 to that, except for the dual tanking thing, and nanohives, some weapons (scrambler pistol, plasma cannon, flaylock etc.) are niche, scout type weapons but all rely on a nanohive, because of their ** ammo capacity. #Scout4life -Minmatar Scout- -Minmatar Logistics- -Mass Driver and Sniper Rifle Expert-**
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 109	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:27:00 - [17] - Quote Yes yes, i understand. But i was not keen on how he was saying that dedicated souts are doing it wrong. I doubt the fact that he actually has skilled into scouts. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 458	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:27:00 - [18] - Quote So you go lolpub get a good score and come here and tell us well experienced scouts were doing it wrong... Play this game at the highest level of competition in the game and tell me all about how you played smart, flanked the enemy, etc etc... I wanna know all about it. I eat blue waffles when i proto stomp.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 625	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:28:00 - [19] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. most scout used to run ARs because hit detection was bad. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 231	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:28:00 - [20] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: LUGMOS wrote: To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. Oooookkaay. Let me rephrase the question. WTF is a real scout supposed to do? WHAT is it's purpose on the battlefield, and HOW does it go about fulfilling that purpose? A scout is sneaky..pure stealth The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! ~ Proud Sniper

Llast 326 An Arkhos 484	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:30:00 - [21] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. See you out there I am apparently not the only fool
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 112	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:34:00 - [22] - Quote @ Protocake A scouts role is to SCOUT (0_0). This means to survey the enemy, by calling out how many, what type they are, and what not. They are supposed to be skilled in using active and passive scanning to seek oit enemy intel. Scouts also do infiltration, by rushing in to an objective and getting out. They can also flank and take out targets. Scout snipers are particularly effective at scouting, but a scout with a scanner is also very effective. This is a legitamate scout, but as Cosgar pointed out, it is a sandbox out there. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Rusty Shallows 495	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:44:00 - [23] - Quote Original Poster you are doing it wrong. "Complaining," is a soft insulting term. In this age of virtual reality and theme based news outlets people reach for stronger terminology. Clearly degrade the dissenters with words like, "whiners" or "QQers." Try thinking more like a lobbyist or campaign manager. By the way. I disagree. Light Frames are worse than Heavy Frames. At least my Dren Sentinel can take a hit at range. My Scout M-I Alt with max innate buffer skills loses 2/3rds of his life jumping from a low structure where the inertial dampeners won't kick in. When the game map features are almost as dangerous as the enemy fire then something is wrong. +1 for offering advice. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 113	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:48:00 - [24] - Quote God i hate the fall damage on scouts. They are light frames, they should take less fall damage. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1550	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:51:00 - [25] - Quote Scouts shouldn't HAVE to brick tank to preform their role. However, due to lolScanners which damn near can't be beat unless you pile on the profile skills and mods make scouts unable to well, scout stealthily. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 231	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:52:00 - [26] - Quote That damn fall damage is why i never stick to building tops The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! ~ Proud Sniper
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 486	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:53:00 - [27] - Quote Lots of rustled jimmies in here.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 368	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:58:00 - [28] - Quote I went 16/0 in an OMS earlyer today with he following setup on a Gal scout, using stick and move tactics. Comp shield extender Duvall assault rifle Toxin SMG Comp Ferroscale plate Basic plate Comp ken cat Comp repairer It was pretty fun. {:)}{3GÇó>
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 115	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:00:00 - [29] - Quote Would you like to enlighten us dedicated scouts further with more on how to do it right, zekain? The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 44	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:00:00 - [30] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. BBBBAAAAAAHHHAAAAA DUDE YOU KILL ME HAHAHA! Dude runs assault rifle an basically is telling shotgun an knife scouts your doing it wrong LULZZZZ! Welcome to AR514 lol, run it with biotic mods an a MAN WEAPON, let's us know how well you do lol. Went 15/0 hardly trying last nigh with a toxin bpo just to see how easy the AR is, and it's child mode, I don't even have points in it an I dropped anyone I shot at, WITHOUT PROFICIENCY DAMAGE OR DAMAGE MODS! Go back to where you came from scrub! LOL telling us were doing it wrong lol no assault rifle lol, also probably beating all the ten year olds playing before school lol get outta here, U TOO FUNNY!

DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 44	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:04:00 - [31] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Ok not touching this one...... Doooooooo it!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1450	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:08:00 - [32] - Quote Ahhhhh,hemmmmm...mehhhhhhh
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 707	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:12:00 - [33] - Quote I am too busy to respond to this. I have clones to kill with my scrambler pistol, dragonfly scout suit, 250 ehp, and stacked biotics or radar mods FOR THE WIN!
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 982	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:25:00 - [34] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Protocake JR wrote: LUGMOS wrote: To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. Oooookkaay. Let me rephrase the question. WTF is a real scout supposed to do? WHAT is it's purpose on the battlefield, and HOW does it go about fulfilling that purpose? A scout is sneaky..pure stealth Hardly answers my questions, but alright. In my opinion, the Scout should be the ultimate flanker. "Stealth" is just one of the tools scouts can use to flank and there are many ways to go about being "stealthy". Yeah sure, you can fill all your slots dampeners, but realize that set up will only be useful in very certain situations. There is nothing wrong with using shield extenders and armor plates. In fact, you can use both armor plates AND kincats, dampners and whatever else will fit into your lows. The whole point of being "stealthy" is to remain unseen, so as long as you remain unseen, who cares what modules you've used. Ever since the TTK dropped, a good majority of my deaths came from people I did not see. The people that flank me, the people that just luckily happened to wander to me outside of my line of sight, are they scouts too even if they are in a medium suit? For all it matters, they were just as stealthy as a "true" scout. If you want to be successful in a scout suit, you need to realize that there are more ways to being stealthy than just equiping 10 profile dampeners. In maps with large open spaces, wide fields, and very little cover, it would be wise to have a scout suit with lots of health and a weapon that has decent range (AR, SCR, MD, LR) In this type of environment, it's easy to have good situational awareness, so it's always better to rely on yours. If you are in a place with lots of cover, very little amounts of open spaces, and lots of clutter and verticality, then maybe it will be okay put one or two dampeners in your low slots. You will still need shields and or armor if you can fit it. As long as you are the first to engage, then you are doing it right. NOTE: ideally, it is always better to rely on your own situational awareness for stealth, so if you can get rid of the dampeners and replace them with health or speed mods, that will increase your survivability immensely Assaults are supposed to be the kings of 1v1s, the backbone of a push for an objective. Scouts are supposed to be the kings of flanking, avoiding head on firefights and there are no rules that dictate how you need to go about doing this. Just like there are different kinds of assault players, there should be different kinds of Scouts. The only problem I see, is that the majority of the player base is bad at FPS, i've seen so many "scouts" running around in places were they shouldn't be. It's like they think profile dampeners make them invisible. I'm not trying to say scouts are fine the way they are, i've already stated what needs to happen with them, but the problems you guys are complaining about have nothing to do with the real issue that's causing you guys so much grief. CCP did not put a lot of thought into the stealth mechanics of this game. They made the Active Scanner incredibly overpowered. The "thumb war" style scans vs dampeners mechanic is ****** (a dampener should not be COMPLETELY nullified by a scanner, EVER). And lastly, a personal gripe of mine, is when bad players complain that they are not successful. I mean, their feedback can be useful at times so it gets taken into account, but it gets pretty irritating when people begin labeling themselves "scouts" when they only have a childlike idea of how a scout should play like. This playerbase is bad.**
Oswald Rehnquist 613	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:29:00 - [35] - Quote So if I post actual pictures of my results I took on my phone of 32/8 or 23/0 matches does that give me enough permission to invalidate whatever your saying? What if I were to tell you I did this with shotguns / duel pistols? Or are you telling me your actual average long term kdr ratio of the scout is 6.0? While kdr **** swigging feels good for the ego every so often (I just did it), it does not get to the root of the issue here. I actually agree with you that scouts are viable though, but the difference is what utility you are trading off by going scout and why would you go scout. You literally turned your scout into an assault unit, literally no different than logisalts, which I perfectly understand why you did such. But then you have to see that that there is only one play style that is extremely successful "assaulting while brick tanking with an assault rifle like weapon", which most who pick scouts to not do pick such to go into that role. Also suggesting that assaults shouldn't duck for cover or flank is something I always found interesting because people like to "stand and deliver" yet die repetitively without changing tactics. I hate to break it to you but tactics is not a scout exclusive thing, ducking for cover, looping around is within the assaulting range of options for medium frames. In fact most scouts are looking for non assault aspects which they can perform while dabbling in our offensive ways, similar to how logis can switch between killing people and buffing teammates, scouts are looking for debuff abilities while stalking down or defending critical targets. Unsurprisingly the arch typical rogue is not looking to carry a sword and shield into battle, a warrior can do that marginally better and rightful so. We want our rogue abilities and functions. Below 28 dB
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 982	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:41:00 - [36] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: @ Protocake A scouts role is to SCOUT (0_0). This means to survey the enemy, by calling out how many, what type they are, and what not. They are supposed to be skilled in using active and passive scanning to seek oit enemy intel. Scouts also do infiltration, by rushing in to an objective and getting out. They can also flank and take out targets. Scout snipers are particularly effective at scouting, but a scout with a scanner is also very effective. This is a legitamate scout, but as Cosgar pointed out, it is a sandbox out there. "survey the enemy"- is such a pointless endeavor, overshadowed by people's own situational awareness (and OP active scanners), and it's only useful if you enjoy role playing. You are more useful flanking and shooting. PRO TIP: Everyone can see "how many", "what type", and other "enemy intel" regardless of what suit they are wearing. (The only thing that makes a difference is the OP active scanner) "infiltration, flanking" - Yes I agree, that is it's main purpose. The bonuses the scout suit gets (and base speed) allows it to flank better than a medium suit. However you still need gun game, because the end goal for flanking is to shoot people in the face while they are preoccupied. "Scout snipers" - lol. just lol. Scouts literally make the worst snipers ever. Just ask yourself, how does your light suit while sniping make you more effective at "scouting" (I use the term "scouting" sarcastically because i'm assuming you're really talking about the "survey the enemy" bs you mentioned earlier). Also, because you thought scout snipers are relevant, i'm done taking you seriously. Obvious scrub is obvious.
Vesperz D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 13	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:43:00 - [37] - Quote I feel insulted. Hmm... yup, I feel insulted.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2267	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:44:00 - [38] - Quote Tourist? Tourist.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 118	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:51:00 - [39] - Quote So the almighty Protocake has spoken. Good for you, you know how to scout. I was merely trying to see if i could in fact take you seriously. In a way, yes, now i can take tou seriously. You have pointed out some flaws in my thinking, without completely filling it with insults. Now show me that you can scout. And BTW, what is your idea of what a scout does? And why did you ask in the first place if you already knew what the answer was? The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 110	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:54:00 - [40] - Quote i....i dont even know what to say to this thread..... except to say this Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul

LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 118	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:55:00 - [41] - Quote And if you believe I am a scrub, I might be in some ways. But I will not take your shizz lightly. Had you left out the last point, i may have had more respect for your opinion. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2267	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:46:00 - [42] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Scouts are very deadly in PC. Some of the top slayers in PC are scouts. People, you need to realize that if you're bad at shooting, then you are bad at shooting and nothing can help you except practice and OP weapons. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean someone else can't. Qualitative much? Yes, 99% of deadly players in PC are not Scouts, but man those 3 Scouts sure are something, huh!? Ever wonder how much more effective those 3 Scouts would be if in better suits? Marauder has, and he's switching.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 488	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:03:00 - [43] - Quote Man, this is hilarious.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1104	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:11:00 - [44] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. thats cute, tourist. you ran 4 games do you feel four games is sufficient to judge a class? what did the scout suit do for you? clearly it didn't speed about the battlefield, it's plated and there aren't any biotics. it didn't sneek about either it's mini and un-damped. so in essence you have an mlt med frame... congrats? i'm gonna be straight with you a light frame is nothing but a hinderence anything a light frame can do a med does better. that is why we complain not because we can't get kills. scary scout is scary, but also useless. I occasionally have a good deal of fun on my "scout" build (shh, it's really a logi) Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 369	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:24:00 - [45] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. thats cute, tourist. you ran 4 games do you feel four games is sufficient to judge a class? what did the scout suit do for you? clearly it didn't speed about the battlefield, it's plated and there aren't any biotics. it didn't sneek about either it's mini and un-damped. so in essence you have an mlt med frame... congrats? i'm gonna be straight with you a light frame is nothing but a hinderence anything a light frame can do a med does better. that is why we complain not because we can't get kills. scary scout is scary, but also useless. I occasionally have a good deal of fun on my "scout" build (shh, it's really a logi) Haha, I do that too. This one is pretty fun: Ehd shield energizer 2x comp extender Duvoll Locus Q-X nano (I think that's what it's called cant remember) Quantum uplink Adv injector Repair tool Comp Ferroscale Basic plate 2X comp ken cat Adv cardiac regulator Shield = 240 Armor = 401 Sprint = 8.48 I've had a lot of fun with this suit. You have to be carful though strafe speed is low in this suit, can get you in to trouble. {:)}{3GÇó>
Nyra Volki KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 77	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:51:00 - [46] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Ok not touching this one...... With you on this one. Silent you must be Or die you will From brother scout a kind message
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 877	Posted - 2013.11.17 08:42:00 - [47] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: WTF is a real scout? Zekain wrote: Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. Meh, there are so many variants, it's not even funny. You can run assault scout, recon scout, assassin scout, pistol scout, explosive scout, etc. etc. etc.. Everyone finds their own niche eventually, and finds a fit that syncs with their playstyle well. For example, I run a Knives/SMG build with emphasis on speed, stealth, and EXPLOSIONS. The only REAL requirement to be a REAL Scout is that you must play one as a main. While touring the suit can let you have the feel of it, and even form a halfway decent opinion, running one as a main is the ONLY way to understand the full spectrum of the suit. It's like using a Mass Driver as your ONLY weapon. Over time, you really start to understand where it's strengths and weaknesses are, and exactly how to use it in multiple scenarios. This is why I love Scouts United so much. You have a TON of players who all run a suit about 80% of the time. Due to the collective experience there, we can hold discussions on weapons, tactics, and suit builds, and bounce ideas off of each other. It's also why we know exactly what problems there are with the suit. TL;DR Don't hate on dedicated scouts. We have far more experience than you, and we pretty much already discount your opinion due to fact that our data over time COMPLETELY outstrips yours. ( ALSO, this is my personal opinion. I am not trying to speak out for all scouts, even though it kinda sounds like it.) "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 532	Posted - 2013.11.17 08:45:00 - [48] - Quote A scout is the scout dropsuit. Not the mods, weapons and equipment you put into the suit. What we are seeing here is the biased perception of what a scout should be. In Dust 514 a scout dropsuit is what you make it to be. We are not as strictly locked into classes like in other games. Same thing is being argued about the logi dropsuit. People believe that logistics==logibro, which is NOT the case in this game, as it might be in other games. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Llast 326 An Arkhos 486	Posted - 2013.11.17 08:47:00 - [49] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Protocake JR wrote: WTF is a real scout? Zekain wrote: Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. Meh, there are so many variants, it's not even funny. You can run assault scout, recon scout, assassin scout, pistol scout, explosive scout, etc. etc. etc.. Everyone finds their own niche eventually, and finds a fit that syncs with their playstyle well. For example, I run a Knives/SMG build with emphasis on speed, stealth, and EXPLOSIONS. The only REAL requirement to be a REAL Scout is that you must play one as a main. While touring the suit can let you have the feel of it, and even form a halfway decent opinion, running one as a main is the ONLY way to understand the full spectrum of the suit. It's like using a Mass Driver as your ONLY weapon. Over time, you really start to understand where it's strengths and weaknesses are, and exactly how to use it in multiple scenarios. This is why I love Scouts United so much. You have a TON of players MAKE APPOINTMENTS FOR HAIRCUTS TL;DR Don't hate on dedicated scouts. We have far more experience than you, and we pretty much already discount your opinion due to fact that our data over time COMPLETELY outstrips yours. ( ALSO, this is my personal opinion. I am not trying to speak out for all scouts, even though it kinda sounds like it.) Just made a slight correction I am apparently not the only fool
ovary obliterator Red Star. EoN. 32	Posted - 2013.11.17 08:51:00 - [50] - Quote i get intel just fine with a scanner on a medium suit... who needs a scout anyway

Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 877	Posted - 2013.11.17 08:54:00 - [51] - Quote ovary obliterator wrote: i get intel just fine with a scanner on a medium suit... who needs a scout anyway This is why scouts are mad. Our role is done better by a piece of equipment "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 877	Posted - 2013.11.17 08:56:00 - [52] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Protocake JR wrote: WTF is a real scout? Zekain wrote: Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. Meh, there are so many variants, it's not even funny. You can run assault scout, recon scout, assassin scout, pistol scout, explosive scout, etc. etc. etc.. Everyone finds their own niche eventually, and finds a fit that syncs with their playstyle well. For example, I run a Knives/SMG build with emphasis on speed, stealth, and EXPLOSIONS. The only REAL requirement to be a REAL Scout is that you must play one as a main. While touring the suit can let you have the feel of it, and even form a halfway decent opinion, running one as a main is the ONLY way to understand the full spectrum of the suit. It's like using a Mass Driver as your ONLY weapon. Over time, you really start to understand where it's strengths and weaknesses are, and exactly how to use it in multiple scenarios. This is why I love Scouts United so much. You have a TON of players MAKE APPOINTMENTS FOR HAIRCUTS TL;DR Don't hate on dedicated scouts. We have far more experience than you, and we pretty much already discount your opinion due to fact that our data over time COMPLETELY outstrips yours. ( ALSO, this is my personal opinion. I am not trying to speak out for all scouts, even though it kinda sounds like it.) Just made a slight correction Thanks, I almost forgot the first two rules of Scouts United "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 164	Posted - 2013.11.17 10:26:00 - [53] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. hhmmmm sounds like what I do and you know what you are right I do well, unless I have to run in PC game and then the scout suit is so out classed they are only a liability, its really a role problem and not a HP problem, but above pub level fights there is no use for scouts, in fact they are a liability, as all that matters is tank and spank. now give scouts some real roles and I will stop complaining. oh and I shouldn't have to run an advanced or proto just to compete.
Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 174	Posted - 2013.11.17 10:43:00 - [54] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. Yep, i've done the same thing. I basically turned my light frame suit into a medium-frame assault suit, except I get to take advantage of the smaller hitbox and faster speed (than my amarr assault). It's pretty fun, except for the anemic CPU/PG and reletively low speed for a "fast" suit. @ Galvan Nized Scouts are very deadly in PC. Some of the top slayers in PC are scouts. People, you need to realize that if you're bad at shooting, then you are bad at shooting and nothing can help you except practice and OP weapons. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean someone else can't. I do not agree that you are turning the scout into a medium frame just by adding tank. It is still a scout, low scanning profile and long passive scanning range with smaller hitbox and higher speed. Tradeoff is the lower ehp compared to using a medium frame. I would not be able to flank as well with a medium frame as I can with a tank scout. I also have a proto logi on the same character but very much prefer to play my proto scout with the duvolle. The advantages are just too good and for solo playing vs proto squads I have a much higher survival rate. I go logi if I feel like running with the blob or scout if I will go hunting, both capable of dealing with protos on the opposite team. It would be the same as saying you are turning your medium into a heavy frame if you brick tank, only difference is having a smaller hitbox and not able to equip the HMG plus some higher speed.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 295	Posted - 2013.11.17 11:39:00 - [55] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Yep, i've done the same thing. I basically turned my light frame suit into a medium-frame assault suit, except I get to take advantage of the smaller hitbox and faster speed (than my amarr assault). It's pretty fun, except for the anemic CPU/PG and reletively low speed for a "fast" suit. @ Galvan Nized Scouts are very deadly in PC. Some of the top slayers in PC are scouts. People, you need to realize that if you're bad at shooting, then you are bad at shooting and nothing can help you except practice and OP weapons. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean someone else can't. Who are these GÇ£Great Scout Slayers in PC?" Point being that ANYTHING a scout can do a medium suit can do better. ANYTHING. There might be some who use the scout suit because they are dedicated to it but they would be much more deadly as a medium. You give no evidence, no stats, and basically insult everyone who runs the scout suit. Listen, just because you play a few pub matches and do well with a scout suit does not make you the expert on scout balance.
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition Proficiency V. 51	Posted - 2013.11.17 11:45:00 - [56] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: LUGMOS wrote: @ Protocake A scouts role is to SCOUT (0_0). This means to survey the enemy, by calling out how many, what type they are, and what not. They are supposed to be skilled in using active and passive scanning to seek oit enemy intel. Scouts also do infiltration, by rushing in to an objective and getting out. They can also flank and take out targets. Scout snipers are particularly effective at scouting, but a scout with a scanner is also very effective. This is a legitamate scout, but as Cosgar pointed out, it is a sandbox out there. "survey the enemy"- is such a pointless endeavor, overshadowed by people's own situational awareness (and OP active scanners), and it's only useful if you enjoy role playing. You are more useful flanking and shooting. PRO TIP: Everyone can see "how many", "what type", and other "enemy intel" regardless of what suit they are wearing. (The only thing that makes a difference is the OP active scanner) "infiltration, flanking" - Yes I agree, that is it's main purpose. The bonuses the scout suit gets (and base speed) allows it to flank better than a medium suit. However you still need gun game, because the end goal for flanking is to shoot people in the face while they are preoccupied. "Scout snipers" - lol. just lol. Scouts literally make the worst snipers ever. Just ask yourself, how does your light suit while sniping make you more effective at "scouting" (I use the term "scouting" sarcastically because i'm assuming you're really talking about the "survey the enemy" bs you mentioned earlier). Also, because you thought scout snipers are relevant, i'm done taking you seriously. Obvious scrub is obvious. Just to put this out there "scout snipers are relevant" are they as easy mode as logi sniping ? no., but with our mobility, scan profile, and sidearm we can wreck medium frame face with a combination of quickscopes, follow ups, and flanking. does it take skill yes but actually helping get the win beats sitting in the redline with your tanked logi suit with your camp set any day :D
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1779	Posted - 2013.11.17 12:12:00 - [57] - Quote If you are going to wear a scout suit you'll be surprised at how relevant snipers are.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 636	Posted - 2013.11.17 12:37:00 - [58] - Quote Tell me im doing it wrong Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3339	Posted - 2013.11.17 12:46:00 - [59] - Quote Yes, let me just go fit my Scout suit like a **** poor Medium suit. Thanks for the hotfix CCP, Light Frames having 20m scan was so OP!
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1737	Posted - 2013.11.17 13:17:00 - [60] - Quote You used a 'light suit' and did well and think 'scouts' are complaining over nothing? Please tell us all: without having any profile or scanning bonuses on your 'light' suit, what difference did that suit possibly make to your game over what any medium suit could not have done equally as well or even better? Is it possible that perhaps because you knew your weaknesses in a light suit, you played more strategically and more flankingly and if you played in the same manner using a medium suit, you would do even better because you could tank more and carry more DPS? Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.

Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1780	Posted - 2013.11.17 13:19:00 - [61] - Quote I consider this thread meta-gaming... just to get the concept of the title into people's heads.
Sylwester Dziewiecki 200	Posted - 2013.11.17 13:44:00 - [62] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: LUGMOS wrote: To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. +1 to that, except for the dual tanking thing, and nanohives, some weapons (scrambler pistol, plasma cannon, flaylock etc.) are niche, scout type weapons but all rely on a nanohive, because of their **** ammo capacity. #Scout4life Scout can always run to Supply Depot - with 2-4ProKin it's not a big distance.
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 47	Posted - 2013.11.17 13:54:00 - [63] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Tell me im doing it wrong Edit I should maybe breakdown my fit for you ADV minmatar scout ADV shotgun 3 enhanced shield extenders 1 basic cardio stim 1 basic repper std locus std needle. LMAO your doing something wrong if you got 3 shields on a adv fit.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 881	Posted - 2013.11.17 16:31:00 - [64] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Tell me im doing it wrong Edit I should maybe breakdown my fit for you ADV minmatar scout ADV shotgun 3 enhanced shield extenders 1 basic cardio stim 1 basic repper std locus std needle. LMAO your doing something wrong if you got 3 shields on a adv fit. And they're all enhanced too! LOL twice the CPU and PG cost for only 11 more eHP each. Just turn two of the enhanced into a single complex. It's cheaper, and it's 88 eHP compared to the 66 eHP you get out of two enhanced. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Mdog 24158 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.11.17 16:40:00 - [65] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. Great job but the fact is a medium assult can put on kinetic katalyzer run just as fast as you be more stealthy with dampners and have a lot more hp. Flying derpships and scout shotgunning 24/7 quite fun i must say
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 641	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:23:00 - [66] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Tell me im doing it wrong Edit I should maybe breakdown my fit for you ADV minmatar scout ADV shotgun 3 enhanced shield extenders 1 basic cardio stim 1 basic repper std locus std needle. LMAO your doing something wrong if you got 3 shields on a adv fit. well ****, that should be 2 enhanced shield extenders Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 641	Posted - 2013.11.17 17:24:00 - [67] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Tell me im doing it wrong Edit I should maybe breakdown my fit for you ADV minmatar scout ADV shotgun 3 enhanced shield extenders 1 basic cardio stim 1 basic repper std locus std needle. LMAO your doing something wrong if you got 3 shields on a adv fit. And they're all enhanced too! LOL twice the CPU and PG cost for only 11 more eHP each. Just turn two of the enhanced into a single complex. It's cheaper, and it's 88 eHP compared to the 66 eHP you get out of two enhanced. dont have complex unlocked. non the less, it does the job, could you imagine me with extra shields Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 883	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:36:00 - [68] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Tell me im doing it wrong Edit I should maybe breakdown my fit for you ADV minmatar scout ADV shotgun 3 enhanced shield extenders 1 basic cardio stim 1 basic repper std locus std needle. LMAO your doing something wrong if you got 3 shields on a adv fit. And they're all enhanced too! LOL twice the CPU and PG cost for only 11 more eHP each. Just turn two of the enhanced into a single complex. It's cheaper, and it's 88 eHP compared to the 66 eHP you get out of two enhanced. dont have complex unlocked. non the less, it does the job, could you imagine me with extra shields Cue nightmares Ghost is huddled in a corner, half crying, muttering to himself" "He just wouldn't die! SOB* We kept shooting, and shooting and he wouldn't die man. HE WOULDN'T DIE! Breaks down into gibberish repeatedly muttering "We can't kill him, we can't kill him, we can't kill him..." "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:40:00 - [69] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: So you go lolpub get a good score and come here and tell us well experienced scouts were doing it wrong... Play this game at the highest level of competition in the game and tell me all about how you played smart, flanked the enemy, etc etc... I wanna know all about it. Toilet FTW!!!!! How goes your experience with the scout assert? I heard you play with now
Morathi III Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:45:00 - [70] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. Only RE and scanner you say.... Not really agree, Uplink are really good, run near the ennemy letter in PC drop it there make a hugue advantage for your team mobility, nanohive are good too, only the standard is enough-> take flux with your scout to destroy ennemy equipment and resuply your flux with the nanhive is really good too. Dont forget with the scanner en emy know someone is in the area, pretty bad when you want to stay unseen in my opinion.

Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 497	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:12:00 - [71] - Quote So I cleared a squad of rooftop campers today. Squished 2 with a viper, hopped out and tossed all 3 grenades at their cluster of equipment , and killing 2 more. Then gunned the other 2 down while we danced around the null cannon. A shotgun scout would have just pooped his pants in that situation.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 0	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:15:00 - [72] - Quote if your using proto light frame- your doing it wrong if your using AR- your doing it wrong (in some peoples eyes) if your only playing 4 games in a scout suit- your doing it wrong if your coming on the forums telling every scout their doing it wrong- your doing it wrong you wear black hoodies. I wear allot of flannel. you wanna change the game. I wanna change the channel.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 497	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:19:00 - [73] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: if your using proto light frame- your doing it wrong if your using AR- your doing it wrong (in some peoples eyes) if your only playing 4 games in a scout suit- your doing it wrong if your coming on the forums telling every scout their doing it wrong- your doing it wrong Avd light frame for that mach, and exile ar. There are no defined scout weapons, so I'll use whatever I want. Limiting myself to 3 types of weapons is stupid.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 885	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:21:00 - [74] - Quote Zekain K wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: if your using proto light frame- your doing it wrong if your using AR- your doing it wrong (in some peoples eyes) if your only playing 4 games in a scout suit- your doing it wrong if your coming on the forums telling every scout their doing it wrong- your doing it wrong Avd light frame for that mach, and exile ar. There are no defined scout weapons, so I'll use whatever I want. Limiting myself to 3 types of weapons is stupid. The thing is, with the way you are playing that suit, you are pretty much just shooting yourself in the foot. Just take a Minmatar Med frame, slap on a speed mod, and THEN run your fit. It would fit the playstyle a lot better. Sad fact is, Light suits are nothing but gimped assault suits with better speed, and scouts are just light frames with built in dampeners. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 497	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:24:00 - [75] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Zekain K wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: if your using proto light frame- your doing it wrong if your using AR- your doing it wrong (in some peoples eyes) if your only playing 4 games in a scout suit- your doing it wrong if your coming on the forums telling every scout their doing it wrong- your doing it wrong Avd light frame for that mach, and exile ar. There are no defined scout weapons, so I'll use whatever I want. Limiting myself to 3 types of weapons is stupid. The thing is, with the way you are playing that suit, you are pretty much just shooting yourself in the foot. Just take a Minmatar Med frame, slap on a speed mod, and THEN run your fit. It would fit the playstyle a lot better. Sad fact is, Light suits are nothing but gimped assault suits with better speed, and scouts are just light frames with built in dampeners. yet I seem to get more kills with it per match when compared to the assault suits that I use.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 341	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:34:00 - [76] - Quote Zekain K wrote: I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/ The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows. 2X complex shield extenders. 1X basic armor plate 1X basic armor repair 1X Exile 1X locust grenade 1X nano hive. The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it. I really want the caldari scout now. Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining. You see what my problem with you is you don't have all your SP invested into Scouts/Scouting NOR any CQC weapons/equipment. This class is extremely difficult to use for the sheer fact that everyone can pick us up on radar, our passive scans are still useless, some suits can do better Scouting then Scouts...(WTF?!), we easily get stunlocked, phantom running, we have almost no health so when you stack that with people using AR's or ScR against us...ITS NOT EVEN FAIR. Scouting in general is ONLY for self gain now since the last 2-3 builds due to NO shared/squad vision. The list can go on but you guys are really starting to irritate me with your tourism, their are only a few exceptional amount of dedicated scouts that can properly run them. So when you (tourist) try to come up in OUR dojo's and tell how to "properly" run our gear, I appreciate it if you actually invest in this role of Scouts before making assumptions on what "we're supposed to do".
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 135	Posted - 2013.11.18 22:48:00 - [77] - Quote Morathi III wrote: LUGMOS wrote: To Protocake and OP... A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs. A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina. Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. Only RE and scanner you say.... Not really agree, Uplink are really good, run near the ennemy letter in PC drop it there make a hugue advantage for your team mobility, nanohive are good too, only the standard is enough-> take flux with your scout to destroy ennemy equipment and resuply your flux with the nanhive is really good too. Dont forget with the scanner ennemy know someone is in the area because he know he get scanned, pretty bad when you want to stay unseen in my opinion. Yeah sorry. Forgot about UPs. I use them myself. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 887	Posted - 2013.11.19 00:57:00 - [78] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Zekain K wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: if your using proto light frame- your doing it wrong if your using AR- your doing it wrong (in some peoples eyes) if your only playing 4 games in a scout suit- your doing it wrong if your coming on the forums telling every scout their doing it wrong- your doing it wrong Avd light frame for that mach, and exile ar. There are no defined scout weapons, so I'll use whatever I want. Limiting myself to 3 types of weapons is stupid. The thing is, with the way you are playing that suit, you are pretty much just shooting yourself in the foot. Just take a Minmatar Med frame, slap on a speed mod, and THEN run your fit. It would fit the playstyle a lot better. Sad fact is, Light suits are nothing but gimped assault suits with better speed, and scouts are just light frames with built in dampeners. yet I seem to get more kills with it per match when compared to the assault suits that I use. Which begs the following question: How is your assault suit built? "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 498	Posted - 2013.11.19 01:25:00 - [79] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Zekain K wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Zekain K wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: if your using proto light frame- your doing it wrong if your using AR- your doing it wrong (in some peoples eyes) if your only playing 4 games in a scout suit- your doing it wrong if your coming on the forums telling every scout their doing it wrong- your doing it wrong Avd light frame for that mach, and exile ar. There are no defined scout weapons, so I'll use whatever I want. Limiting myself to 3 types of weapons is stupid. The thing is, with the way you are playing that suit, you are pretty much just shooting yourself in the foot. Just take a Minmatar Med frame, slap on a speed mod, and THEN run your fit. It would fit the playstyle a lot better. Sad fact is, Light suits are nothing but gimped assault suits with better speed, and scouts are just light frames with built in dampeners. yet I seem to get more kills with it per match when compared to the assault suits that I use. Which begs the following question: How is your assault suit built? its not about how its built, but how I play. I'm too careful when playing as an assault, which deprives me of quite a few kills that I would have gained if I did a suicide mission to kill said baddies. i play recklessly with a scout, which seems to catches a lot of people off guard. No one seems to expect a scout to be super aggressive, and mow down 2,3 assaults before being picked off, or retreating. Plus the speed helps with all that too.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 657	Posted - 2013.11.19 01:40:00 - [80] - Quote Quote: Plus the speed helps with all that too. he said straight faced with a plated fit... "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET



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