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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:04:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:I run a mini avd (now a proto) light frame for lulz every so often. I ran with it in 4 games of skirmish. In 3 of them i was able to do fairly well. The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp..... :/
The best score I had was 26/4. My fit is as follows.
2X complex shield extenders.
1X basic armor plate
1X basic armor repair
1X Exile
1X locust grenade
1X nano hive.
The idea of this fit is to run in, and deal hit and run attacks at close range. Surprise enemies, flank them, and to generally be suicidal aggressive. Never stop moving, strafe like crazy. When fighting at a distance. ADS, and strafe. Aim for the enemies head, and only stay out of cover for short periods of time. And jump to get behind cover, don't run for it.
I really want the caldari scout now.
Dedicated Scouts, quit complaining.
Yep, i've done the same thing. I basically turned my light frame suit into a medium-frame assault suit, except I get to take advantage of the smaller hitbox and faster speed (than my amarr assault). It's pretty fun, except for the anemic CPU/PG and reletively low speed for a "fast" suit.
@ Galvan Nized
Scouts are very deadly in PC. Some of the top slayers in PC are scouts. People, you need to realize that if you're bad at shooting, then you are bad at shooting and nothing can help you except practice and OP weapons.
Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean someone else can't.
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
982
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:12:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Zekain wrote: The one match I didn't do too well because of it being a stacked proto stomp Isnt this most matches... You must have gotten Lol nubs. And the fact you run an exile shows that you are an assault, not a real scout.
WTF is a real scout? |
Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
982
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:26:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:To Protocake and OP...
A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs.
A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina.
Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs.
Oooookkaay.
Let me rephrase the question.
WTF is a real scout supposed to do? WHAT is it's purpose on the battlefield, and HOW does it go about fulfilling that purpose? |
Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
982
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:25:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Protocake JR wrote:LUGMOS wrote:To Protocake and OP...
A real scout does not have a nanohive in its equipment slot, they would have an active scanner or possibly REs.
A real scout doesnt dual tank, they use modules to enhance precision and scan range, or speed and stamina.
Most scouts dont use ARs, because they look for an ACTUALLY challenging weapon to use, ie PLC, shotty, ScP, or NKs. Oooookkaay. Let me rephrase the question. WTF is a real scout supposed to do? WHAT is it's purpose on the battlefield, and HOW does it go about fulfilling that purpose? A scout is sneaky..pure stealth
Hardly answers my questions, but alright.
In my opinion, the Scout should be the ultimate flanker. "Stealth" is just one of the tools scouts can use to flank and there are many ways to go about being "stealthy". Yeah sure, you can fill all your slots dampeners, but realize that set up will only be useful in very certain situations.
There is nothing wrong with using shield extenders and armor plates. In fact, you can use both armor plates AND kincats, dampners and whatever else will fit into your lows. The whole point of being "stealthy" is to remain unseen, so as long as you remain unseen, who cares what modules you've used. Ever since the TTK dropped, a good majority of my deaths came from people I did not see. The people that flank me, the people that just luckily happened to wander to me outside of my line of sight, are they scouts too even if they are in a medium suit? For all it matters, they were just as stealthy as a "true" scout.
If you want to be successful in a scout suit, you need to realize that there are more ways to being stealthy than just equiping 10 profile dampeners. In maps with large open spaces, wide fields, and very little cover, it would be wise to have a scout suit with lots of health and a weapon that has decent range (AR, SCR, MD, LR) In this type of environment, it's easy to have good situational awareness, so it's always better to rely on yours.
If you are in a place with lots of cover, very little amounts of open spaces, and lots of clutter and verticality, then maybe it will be okay put one or two dampeners in your low slots. You will still need shields and or armor if you can fit it. As long as you are the first to engage, then you are doing it right. NOTE: *ideally, it is always better to rely on your own situational awareness for stealth, so if you can get rid of the dampeners and replace them with health or speed mods, that will increase your survivability immensely*
Assaults are supposed to be the kings of 1v1s, the backbone of a push for an objective. Scouts are supposed to be the kings of flanking, avoiding head on firefights and there are no rules that dictate how you need to go about doing this. Just like there are different kinds of assault players, there should be different kinds of Scouts. The only problem I see, is that the majority of the player base is bad at FPS, i've seen so many "scouts" running around in places were they shouldn't be. It's like they think profile dampeners make them invisible.
I'm not trying to say scouts are fine the way they are, i've already stated what needs to happen with them, but the problems you guys are complaining about have nothing to do with the real issue that's causing you guys so much grief. CCP did not put a lot of thought into the stealth mechanics of this game. They made the Active Scanner incredibly overpowered. The "thumb war" style scans vs dampeners mechanic is ******** (a dampener should not be COMPLETELY nullified by a scanner, EVER).
And lastly, a personal gripe of mine, is when bad players complain that they are not successful. I mean, their feedback can be useful at times so it gets taken into account, but it gets pretty irritating when people begin labeling themselves "scouts" when they only have a childlike idea of how a scout should play like. This playerbase is bad. |
Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
982
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:41:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:@ Protocake
A scouts role is to SCOUT (0_0).
This means to survey the enemy, by calling out how many, what type they are, and what not.
They are supposed to be skilled in using active and passive scanning to seek oit enemy intel.
Scouts also do infiltration, by rushing in to an objective and getting out. They can also flank and take out targets.
Scout snipers are particularly effective at scouting, but a scout with a scanner is also very effective.
This is a legitamate scout, but as Cosgar pointed out, it is a sandbox out there.
"survey the enemy"- is such a pointless endeavor, overshadowed by people's own situational awareness (and OP active scanners), and it's only useful if you enjoy role playing. You are more useful flanking and shooting. PRO TIP: Everyone can see "how many", "what type", and other "enemy intel" regardless of what suit they are wearing. (The only thing that makes a difference is the OP active scanner)
"infiltration, flanking" - Yes I agree, that is it's main purpose. The bonuses the scout suit gets (and base speed) allows it to flank better than a medium suit. However you still need gun game, because the end goal for flanking is to shoot people in the face while they are preoccupied.
"Scout snipers" - lol. just lol. Scouts literally make the worst snipers ever. Just ask yourself, how does your light suit while sniping make you more effective at "scouting" (I use the term "scouting" sarcastically because i'm assuming you're really talking about the "survey the enemy" bs you mentioned earlier).
Also, because you thought scout snipers are relevant, i'm done taking you seriously. Obvious scrub is obvious. 
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