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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:17:00 -
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Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I **** due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what. But it's ok if i die in a decent manner.
I would even give dam modded out lasers there respect because that's there nitch.
But should a scrambler rifle be a weapon that is guaranteed win in the right hands?
Well to me it appears the same as the hmg logi vehicles combo. Do a little sideswipe hop out spray and hop back in. What's the answer to that?
It's interesting and I find it exciting that I don't know if that guy holding the scrambler rifle is good enough to down me. Even if he does once, I'll recognize that attack pattern next time.
It's what gaming is really about right? problem solving? well it's ok to die every once in a while. It's not ok to die all the time when you've earned top quality gear.
That goes for everyone. I'm happy that I am not in god mode. But my mind is what sets me apart from most. I will beat you. Thus should you also beat me.
If you are having trouble doing so with any weapon available in game.
Obviously it's not because something is OP.
You're actually dumb. Like for real.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
253
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:23:00 -
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ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it.
Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating.
Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR.
"Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Omni-Specialist
/ Focus: Gallente
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:24:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I win due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what. But it's ok if i die in a decent manner.
I would even give dam modded out lasers there respect because that's there nitch.
But should a scrambler rifle be a weapon that is guaranteed win in the right hands?
Well to me it appears the same as the hmg logi vehicles combo. Do a little sideswipe hop out spray and hop back in. What's the answer to that?
It's interesting and I find it exciting that I don't know if that guy holding the scrambler rifle is good enough to down me. Even if he does once, I'll recognize that attack pattern next time.
It's what gaming is really about right? problem solving? well it's ok to die every once in a while. It's not ok to die all the time when you've earned top quality gear.
That goes for everyone. I'm happy that I am not in god mode. But my mind is what sets me apart from most. I will beat you. Thus should you also beat me.
If you are having trouble doing so with any weapon available in game.
Obviously it's not because something is OP.
You're actually dumb. Like for real.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:31:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it.
Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating.
Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR.
go ahead I don't really know what's going on there. I can see some things right but i shouldn't fall down to a scr like I think I would a sniper rifle.
Snipers should be really messing people up but they don't like an scr is. Ar's don't mess people up like scr's do. Forge guns LOL need I say anything?
HMG better have kbm or he's SOL.
Laser keep your distance or else.
Shotgun who doesn't think a shot gun round should be 2-3 shots and your out?
I don't know the right answer's I just can't see it anymore.
Is there a way to have balance and niche's? Some do but others seem so misplaced or misused.
That's why I can't h8 I don't even know what a baseline or reality is or should be for this game.
My concepts are what I believe. Where's the baseline?
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
85
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:34:00 -
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Baseline should be PvE balancing, not PvP. ScR are not as OP as AR. Coming from an AR user, btw. I see a guy with a ScR, I can at least take a few potshots at him. AR? Dead before I ADS. And I see HIM first.
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
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PEW JACKSON
s i n g u l a r i t y
98
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:35:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it.
Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating.
Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR.
You can't be serious..... This is like saying people with the AR should only kill others with burst fire. Or like saying people who run MD should only kill with direct impact shots.
I'm supposed to charge a shot in front of my enemy while he shoots my face off right?
@OP The SCR SHOULD guarantee a win in the RIGHT hands just like how the AR guarantees a win in dumb hands..... |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:36:00 -
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ScR has a risk/reward component.
If you hit the charged shot and follow up with 3-5 shots your opponent is dead.
If you miss the charged shot and you can't break line of sight, you are most likely dead.
The other 2 options (hit charged and enemy breaks LoS, miss charged and you break LoS) don't have a critical result |
Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:39:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Jackof All-Trades wrote:ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it.
Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating.
Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. You can't be serious..... This is like saying people with the AR should only kill others with burst fire. Or like saying people who run MD should only kill with direct impact shots. I'm supposed to charge a shot in front of my enemy while he shoots my face off right? @OP The SCR SHOULD guarantee a win in the RIGHT hands just like how the AR guarantees a win in dumb hands.....
sensing a slightly skewed reality there. Maybe you've just been killed by too many ar's? Man it happens when a weapon is super popular and understandable. But don't let a superiority complex get in the way of what you mean to say. The message I got was you agree yet you hold a grudge. Please detail your correction in dumb terms so this simple ar user can understand. I'm not trolling I'm just here to settle it WTF is everyone's problem?
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:41:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:ScR has a risk/reward component.
If you hit the charged shot and follow up with 3-5 shots your opponent is dead.
If you miss the charged shot and you can't break line of sight, you are most likely dead.
The other 2 options (hit charged and enemy breaks LoS, miss charged and you break LoS) don't have a critical result
OK right! the engagement is settled based on a preset plan regardless ty NO bs best honest post I've seen on the subject. So reality is if you have SCR and you lose the first time ok.
Lose the second time and what were you thinking?
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:51:00 -
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I would like to hear from some scrambler rifle users experiences of out thinking and dropping players. It's been done to me so i'll say what happened in my instance.
I was running to alpha and out hops a g1 suit scr. Dude strafes left to right... in my view to him it was right then left. HE KILLED ME IN .2 secs. Not even a second and I hear and see blood.
So guess what I did next time?
I moved the opposite direction.
Guess who won?
The dumb ar guy who memorized the pattern.
Guess who won the third time?
The dumb ar guy who assumed that the pattern would change due to the lack of success.
Guess who won the fourth time?
The dumb ar guy who just simply did not care about what the scr guy thought because he was already up 1 and in the guys head.
The games working pretty damn good as is if you nerf the ar or the scr in the following weeks. What's gonna happen?
Ar guy has sp to spend on his cr that most halo and cod players are overly familiar with anyways. SCR users?
Good luck working gimped scr's and Rail rifles.
Quote it.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:52:00 -
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I really don't get it.
Are you mad, because you got shot by a ScR?
Duvolle is still God mode, try it. |
Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:53:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:I really don't get it.
Are you mad, because you got shot by a ScR?
Duvolle is still God mode, try it.
sighs at this.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:56:00 -
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I wouldn't pick a head on fight with an AR, because I like to make sure my charged shot hits ... which takes time .. and yeah, you get killed in under a sec from Toxins, Exiles, Duvolles, GEKs all over the place.
Also, auto aim neglects most of the strafing, so I don't get why you won by changing your strafing pattern. |
DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
111
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:04:00 -
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So, shield tankers are still everywhere? ;) |
Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:05:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:I wouldn't pick a head on fight with an AR, because I like to make sure my charged shot hits ... which takes time .. and yeah, you get killed in under a sec from Toxins, Exiles, Duvolles, GEKs all over the place.
Also, auto aim neglects most of the strafing, so I don't get why you won by changing your strafing pattern.
Ok I'm with you on this dynamic and that's interesting.
I don't believe auto aim is as strong as it was.
I shot a whole clip today into a rail which I could clearly see over half the persons body.
Am I dumb yeah.
Is auto aim a factor? To me from today and several days experiences it help but damn rely on it and it will actually kill you.
Therefore. Aim assist I knew would not have much of anything to do with our gun fights.
It was strategy.
I play this game way too much. I'm passing people in kills and warpoint that have played since everything started counting every single day.
If this game were a job I would say I was a subject matter expert for 1.3-1.6
Anyone who knows me asks why do you always play dust?
I probably have mild to serious asperger's syndrome and this caught my attention. Tactically I get this game. Every new update is good because I don't know what I am getting into yet it is familiar.
Dang TMI shuttin up now.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:08:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:So, shield tankers are still everywhere? ;)
Yeah but I think they are giving up shields for dam mods and armor. Now everyone want's to be gallente logi. I am gallente logi and SCR will still beat the stuffing out of it. I have been absolutely raped by anyone with half a brain and patience carrying an scr. FACT
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
254
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:31:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:@OP The SCR SHOULD guarantee a win in the RIGHT hands just like how the AR guarantees a win in dumb hands.....
Yeah you see, that's why. Spamming the ScR guarantees a win in dumb hands. Charge makes the ScR incredibly effective in the right hands.
"Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Omni-Specialist
/ Focus: Gallente
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Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
705
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:42:00 -
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@OP
GG earlier. 
Purification.
It's what I do.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
210
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:11:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I **** due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what.
It's very simple, the SCR combines superior range with double the DPS of the AR (931.8 versus 467.5 for the AR). The overheat is a very minor drawback given the benefits, and most users mitigate this with the Amarr assault suit anyway. The SCR needs some kind of rebalancing so it doesn't dominate both at range and close up, as it does presently. |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
345
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:18:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I **** due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what. It's very simple, the SCR combines superior range with double the DPS of the AR (931.8 versus 467.5 for the AR). The overheat is a very minor drawback given the benefits, and most users mitigate this with the Amarr assault suit anyway. The SCR needs some kind of rebalancing so it doesn't dominate both at range and close up, as it does presently.
I don't know were you got your DPS numbers but e.g. 1on3 the AR can spray everybody dead, ScR cannot.
It's a high alpha damage weapon which cannot deliver sustained damage. |
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
84
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:23:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:So, shield tankers are still everywhere? ;)
low 7k sp gain+3 mill to proto a suit is, stupid |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
216
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:38:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I **** due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what. It's very simple, the SCR combines superior range with double the DPS of the AR (931.8 versus 467.5 for the AR). The overheat is a very minor drawback given the benefits, and most users mitigate this with the Amarr assault suit anyway. The SCR needs some kind of rebalancing so it doesn't dominate both at range and close up, as it does presently. I don't know were you got your DPS numbers but e.g. 1on3 the AR can spray everybody dead, ScR cannot. It's a high alpha damage weapon which cannot deliver sustained damage.
DPS is simply Damage*RPM/60, using the in-game numbers (also here).
I think you can get around 20 shots off with the ScR before overheat (varies with Amarr assault skill, of course), which is 1580 damage - certainly enough to take down multiple opponents. |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
345
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:43:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/themes/ccpEveOnline/pix-trans.png DPS is simply Damage*RPM/60, using the in-game numbers (also here). I think you can get around 20 shots off with the ScR before overheat (varies with Amarr assault skill, of course), which is 1580 damage - certainly enough to take down multiple opponents.
Yeah, those numbers are correct.
But you have to press fire 11 times / sec with your finger .. show me how you do this? Also, 20 is a bit high ... I'm don't have amarr 5, but 10-13 shots says my feeling .. will test it.
Many people are mad, because they lose 1on1 against a ScR with their AR ... |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
216
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:01:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/themes/ccpEveOnline/pix-trans.png DPS is simply Damage*RPM/60, using the in-game numbers (also here). I think you can get around 20 shots off with the ScR before overheat (varies with Amarr assault skill, of course), which is 1580 damage - certainly enough to take down multiple opponents. Yeah, those numbers are correct. But you have to press fire 11 times / sec with your finger .. show me how you do this? Also, 20 is a bit high ... I'm don't have amarr 5, but 10-13 shots says my feeling .. will test it. Many people are mad, because they lose 1on1 against a ScR with their AR ...
How to get 11 shots off per second:
1. Be good at FPS; or
2. Use turbo controller.
There are plenty in both categories playing Dust, so the game should be balanced on the assumption that full DPS is achieved, as is the case with TacAR now following earlier OPness.
As for number of shots, with full skills it might be 17-19 - I only have Amarr assault 3 and not sure how many 5 gets you. It's certainly much more than 10-13. |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
346
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:13:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:How to get 11 shots off per second:
1. Be good at FPS; or
2. Use turbo controller.
There are plenty in both categories playing Dust, so the game should be balanced on the assumption that full DPS is achieved, as is the case with TacAR now following earlier OPness.
As for number of shots, with full skills it might be 17-19 - I only have Amarr assault 3 and not sure how many 5 gets you. It's certainly much more than 10-13.
I will test this right now and edit my results into this post.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1105
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:14:00 -
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The scr is a 1 vs 1 type of weapon you simply cant do 1 vs 2 if everyone is in proto.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
450
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:21:00 -
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The only thing I will say about the ScR - maybe they should reduce ammo or make it that charged shots used multiple rounds.
A good ScR user could easily go near an entire match without the use of a supply depot / nano hive.
Funny to hear people crying about the AScR - AR is the same, AScR may get the better users more head shot kills but both drop enemies quickly. |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
346
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:36:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:I will test this right now and edit my results into this post.
Results: Amarr Assault A/1 Series, dropsuit skill level 3/5 (=15% heat reduction), ADV ScR Rifle clipsize 45
I clicked as fast as possible and looked at my clip after overheating.
-> I can get my clip down to somewhere between 23 - 26, which means i fired 19-22 shots.
I can do this in (mean value) 3,94sec, which makes it roughly 5 shots/sec and a dps of about 400 - 500 damage / sec.
You are free to make your own tests.
Just to add some stuff to my post.
There is a video on youtube for a tactical AR with turbo controller, which shoots 30 bullets in 5-6 secs. This is roughly the same amount I was able to archive with my ScR. (-> roughly the same DPS)
Please, if anybody can provide a test with a turbo controller and a ScR. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
627
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:41:00 -
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You spelt "feat" wrong.
Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r
Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
217
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Posted - 2013.11.16 16:13:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:How to get 11 shots off per second:
1. Be good at FPS; or
2. Use turbo controller.
There are plenty in both categories playing Dust, so the game should be balanced on the assumption that full DPS is achieved, as is the case with TacAR now following earlier OPness.
As for number of shots, with full skills it might be 17-19 - I only have Amarr assault 3 and not sure how many 5 gets you. It's certainly much more than 10-13. I will test this right now and edit my results into this post. Results: Amarr Assault A/1 Series, dropsuit skill level 3/5 (=15% heat reduction), ADV ScR Rifle clipsize 45 I clicked as fast as possible and looked at my clip after overheating. -> I can get my clip down to somewhere between 23 - 26, which means i fired 19-22 shots. I can do this in (mean value) 3,94sec, which makes it roughly 5 shots/sec and a dps of about 400 - 500 damage / sec. You are free to make your own tests.
Thanks, that's helpful.
5 shots per second means you're achieving a fire rate of 300RPM. So maybe a good fix would be to decrease the RPM on the standard ScR from 705.9 to something like 500 (for comparison, the Tac AR has RPM of 400). This would have no impact on most users, who cannot fire that quickly anyway. |
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
349
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Posted - 2013.11.16 16:15:00 -
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Sure, still, would love to see a turbo controller achive 700 rpm on a SCR. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1849
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Posted - 2013.11.16 16:28:00 -
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another dog licking its own behind... |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
349
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Posted - 2013.11.16 16:55:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:another dog licking its own behind...
lol, butthurt, too much d!ck?
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1849
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:06:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Michael Arck wrote:another dog licking its own behind... lol, butthurt, too much d!ck?
Please refrain from expressing your homoerotic fantasies on the forum. Thank you. |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:43:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it.
Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating.
Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR.
Do you know how many times people have died by trying to use it as a CQC weapon...
If they spam it in close range, they have a good chance of overheating due the the great RoF because it's a suicide button to spam it.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
712
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:43:00 -
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I'm not going to jump in on the SCR vs. AR debate. But here's my game plan for using the SCR.
1. If I come to a group of enemies. I'm picking out and shooting at the Caldari; no exceptions. I will take the Caldari on before a Scout, or anything. They have shields, and my SCR eats shields. So, I pick opponents that play to my weapon's strength.
2. I always lead with a charge shot, even if it's only a half shot, if the engagement is is beyond 20m. I need to inflict the most damage ASAP, because my shots travel slower and I can't fire my SCR as fast as a full-auto weapon.
3. I aim. And, I mean I flippin' AIM! If I miss my shot volley, there's a odd chance I'll be in a world of hurt. If I'm taking on 6 enemies, I HAVE to land my volleys. Because if I miss, and the enemy is still standing, I might overheat and could die because I'm now unarmed for 5 seconds. Switching to sidearm actually takes to long, it's much faster to kill them out right in the first place.
4. I use timing. Since the gun over heats and locks up, I have to keep a rhythm going. I can't look down at my over heat meter, so I have to have a good idea where I am in respects to that. Especially if one of the enemies is a Heavy or Brick Gallente, because a full volley is not enough to kill them. Its always good to have something for at least partial cover, because eventually you'll have to just stop shooting for 3 seconds or reload.
One of my most successful tactics is simply popping out from behind some form of cover and getting a kill, then popping out of the other side and getting a kill, and just going back and forth. I can get 11-14 kills racked up before anyone realizes what's happening, and before you know it the enemy team is gone, and the Minmatar Logi that was covering me can now slip past and hack the objective.
All in all, I think I'm effective with the SCR because I play smart, and and aim... which all-in-all is all FPS really is. The same tactics apply to every gun, so I don't know if the SCR is special, or not. I don't know if this helps you, or not. But, I see SCR users at either the very top of the leaderboard, or at the very bottom. It takes skill to use, but I'm not going to pretend its the hardest thing to master since Astrophysics. |
8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
712
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Posted - 2013.11.16 19:49:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Sure, still, would love to see a turbo controller achive 700 rpm on a SCR.
IMPOSSIBLE!
How many people can't get this through their flippin' head? The gun can has an over heat lock up. You't can't empty the clip in one burst. The most you can get is 20, that's with Prototype everything including the Amarr Assault Drop suit. |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
354
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:02:00 -
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Nice explanation of 8213, +1
I achieved 19-22 shots before overheating with amarr assault lvl 3 and a rpm of roughly 300.
I would love to see how fast you can fire that scrambler (really 700 rpm?) and how fast it overheats then.
Go cheaters, show me. |
Spectre-M
The Generals
EoN.
104
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:10:00 -
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@OP
I main the SCR all the time. I used the AR until I decided I wanted to try new weapons. I decided for the lower ROF rifle as I like marksmanship weapons. I believe a well placed delivery will yield more than smaller multiple attacks.
The trick with the gun is patience. Charging before you engage. By having good cover allows for quick retreat for heat cooldown if the charge misses, as well as making your enemy cross open ground to close the gap. Slow aiming and strafe to line up charge shots.
In CQC, again the charge shot. Allow your enemy to come to you, so you have a charge shot waiting, with a quick volley if needed. This gun is great if you're willing to wait.
Tldr- charge shot and position. |
Bunny Demon
Robbing The Hood
Public Disorder.
6
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:11:00 -
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I have to say the scrambler rifle can be really powerful IF you spec into it properly, a lot of people have done this so I appears 'OP'
I was speced into it when the TAR was still really powerful because I didn't like the TAR recoil and I have to say, std SR with no skills (including damage mods) is massively different from what I have now which can absolutely melt people
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
356
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:14:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Michael Arck wrote:another dog licking its own behind... lol, butthurt, too much d!ck? Please refrain from expressing your homoerotic fantasies on the forum. Thank you.
You should refrain from posting useless crap if you can't stand the reaction. Thank you.
Please, write down your experiences with the ScR, your opinion on the ScR or something related to it. This is what this thread is for. Anything else? As you sow, so you shall reap. |
Rei Shepard
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
997
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:32:00 -
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On 125 clicks i get a click average of 8.25 clicks a second, with all skils at max and 1 damage mod, i guess thats an average of 824 dps a second, thats 495 rounds per minute, so yeah the gun should be really fine at 500 RPM.
Most people have 300-400 EHP and the Imperial can sustain that amount of shots for 2.5 seconds before seizing up, so in 2.5 seconds i can chew trough 2060 total EHP before i need to swap to my Sidearm.
But the really tricky part to make the gun deadly is really simple ...don't miss shots, most people just cant click fast enough while keeping it on target.
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
257
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:39:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Jackof All-Trades wrote:ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it.
Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating.
Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. Do you know how many times people have died by trying to use it as a CQC weapon... If they spam it in close range, they have a good chance of overheating due the the great RoF because it's a suicide button to spam it.
Well I've died by someone spamming it in close range, and I've hated it, because it's not supposed to do that. It's supposed to, as you said, kill you instead. Laser weaponry is medium to long range. Pulse laser weaponry is medium to short (but not THAT short, thats plasma range)
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Spectre-M
The Generals
EoN.
104
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:05:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Jackof All-Trades wrote:ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it.
Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating.
Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. Do you know how many times people have died by trying to use it as a CQC weapon... If they spam it in close range, they have a good chance of overheating due the the great RoF because it's a suicide button to spam it. Well I've died by someone spamming it in close range, and I've hated it, because it's not supposed to do that. It's supposed to, as you said, kill you instead. Laser weaponry is medium to long range. Pulse laser weaponry is medium to short (but not THAT short, thats plasma range)
It's not supposed to do that? If you are close enough, of course someone is going to fill you with laser. What should it do in cqc? Insta kill the user? If you shot someone close range with the forge, should it also just backfire? Just because a weapon has strength in med to long range, doesn't mean it should be a pea shooter in cqc.
Maybe the AR should have more dispersion so it's not deadly at beyond 70m. |
ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
51
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:12:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it.
Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating.
Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR.
Spamming a SCR will almost NEVER end in good results vs a skilled player (its not a Duvolle people,where you can hold R1 without aiming and get good resuts 90% of the time)
Me Myself i think i've never killed a player with my SCR that havn't eat a Charged shot FIRST. Except maybe scouts...
The ASCR is a joke compared to real ARs. I can beat most ASCR users with my freakn Toxin AR,and im not even that good....nuff said. |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
481
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:23:00 -
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I think the issue is trying to balance the weapon based on pub games. If the Scrambler Rifle is to be nerfed based on its over-performance in Pub games it will hurt its usefulness in PC games. Because there if I am caught in a 2 v 1 against Duvolles or getting rushed by a tanked out gallente shogunner in tight corridors I'm dead.
I place low on the leaderboards with a good amount of deaths when the above situations are forced on me in PC games. But my best games, where I accumulate well over 20 kills usually, are when I am placed in mid-range engagements holding our homepoint objective or attacking the enemy homepoint situated outside of the city. This is against players who bring their best to games, nothing short of proto everything.
Pub games are much too frantic, I only run the Templar Scr ever since I got it and its only a STD weapon, even then I can easily top the leaderboards due to it being too easy to get lost in the fray and caught unaware. Most of my kills comes from flanks and mid-range battles, I stick to cover and land my shots, and I always switch to my SMG or Pistol in close range encounters.
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Himiko Kuronaga
The Generals
EoN.
2316
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:26:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it.
So in other words you hate it when people use it correctly. |
Spectre-M
The Generals
EoN.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:01:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Jackof All-Trades wrote:ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. So in other words you hate it when people use it correctly.
I enjoy this. What are people supposed to do? Fire once so you can run away. Like Himiko said, if you're not 'spamming' bullets you're doing it wrong.
Btw, what weapon in this game isn't 'spammed'? |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
360
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Posted - 2013.11.17 09:17:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:I think the issue is trying to balance the weapon based on pub games. If the Scrambler Rifle is to be nerfed based on its over-performance in Pub games it will hurt its usefulness in PC games. Because there if I am caught in a 2 v 1 against Duvolles or getting rushed by a tanked out gallente shogunner in tight corridors I'm dead.
I place low on the leaderboards with a good amount of deaths when the above situations are forced on me in PC games. But my best games, where I accumulate well over 20 kills usually, are when I am placed in mid-range engagements holding our homepoint objective or attacking the enemy homepoint situated outside of the city. This is against players who bring their best to games, nothing short of proto everything.
Pub games are much too frantic, I only run the Templar Scr ever since I got it and its only a STD weapon, even then I often top the leaderboards and take down Proto-using opponents due to it being too easy to get lost in the fray and caught unaware. Most of my kills comes from flanks and mid-range battles, I stick to cover and land my shots, and I always switch to my SMG or Pistol in close range encounters.
Nice explanation of effective usage, strength and weaks. +1 |
Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
93
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Posted - 2013.11.17 09:22:00 -
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Very good.
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Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.11.17 09:35:00 -
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Spectre-M wrote:Btw, what weapon in this game isn't 'spammed'?
Plasma cannon. 1 shot + long reload means it's impossible. |
Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1003
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Posted - 2013.11.17 10:06:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:I think the issue is trying to balance the weapon based on pub games. If the Scrambler Rifle is to be nerfed based on its over-performance in Pub games it will hurt its usefulness in PC games. Because there if I am caught in a 2 v 1 against Duvolles or getting rushed by a tanked out gallente shogunner in tight corridors I'm dead.
I place low on the leaderboards with a good amount of deaths when the above situations are forced on me in PC games. But my best games, where I accumulate well over 20 kills usually, are when I am placed in mid-range engagements holding our homepoint objective or attacking the enemy homepoint situated outside of the city. This is against players who bring their best to games, nothing short of proto everything.
Pub games are much too frantic, I only run the Templar Scr ever since I got it and its only a STD weapon, even then I often top the leaderboards and take down Proto-using opponents due to it being too easy to get lost in the fray and caught unaware. Most of my kills comes from flanks and mid-range battles, I stick to cover and land my shots, and I always switch to my SMG or Pistol in close range encounters.
I have not played any PC games so far, but will be doing some soon so i will get a better grasp at how the SCR performs during one, in Pub games if there is at least not one team on the opposing side i can litterally go through 40-60 enemy clones on my own and i don't use much tactics (and even one team really has a hard time with me), just the old head-on heading trough the enemy lines. But i think i am the only person in this game capable of deploying the SCR in CQC without fail.
My personal record for cqc with is now 12 with the Imperial SCR + Toxin SMG combo since yesterday, before i had to reload both guns, no grenades. This is litterally due to the opponents weak FPS skills, because one person with good FPS skills can stop me in my tracks (even Revoitz stops me with a Toxin AR), or like for instance Tiberius with a Standard SCR, but 12 others could barely slow me down, while gear matters in this game, so does reaction time and fine motor control skills, awereness, timing and knowing at all times the position of possible ambush points, most people have maybe one of the 2 qualities but the others are unrefined and the subject never does anything with it to polish it, others have naturally high reaction speed & precise aim without ever doing anything, then they start to refine it.
Most people like to think they are exxcellent shots in FPS games, while all they really do is spray & pray without tracking their target, in most FPS games they can get away with it because 2 bullets kills, in Dust 2 bullets from an AR do not kill and they get roflpwned.
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