DUST Search - Not hating SCR.

Grease Spillett wrote:

Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I win due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what. But it's ok if i die in a decent manner.

I would even give dam modded out lasers there respect because that's there nitch.

But should a scrambler rifle be a weapon that is guaranteed win in the right hands?

Well to me it appears the same as the hmg logi vehicles combo. Do a little sideswipe hop out spray and hop back in. What's the answer to that?

It's interesting and I find it exciting that I don't know if that guy holding the scrambler rifle is good enough to down me. Even if he does once, I'll recognize that attack pattern next time.

It's what gaming is really about right? problem solving? well it's ok to die every once in a while. It's not ok to die all the time when you've earned top quality gear.

That goes for everyone. I'm happy that I am not in god mode. But my mind is what sets me apart from most. I will beat you. Thus should you also beat me.

If you are having trouble doing so with any weapon available in game.

Obviously it's not because something is OP.

You're actually dumb. Like for real.

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Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:17:00 - [1] - Quote Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I **** due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what. But it's ok if i die in a decent manner. I would even give dam modded out lasers there respect because that's there nitch. But should a scrambler rifle be a weapon that is guaranteed win in the right hands? Well to me it appears the same as the hmg logi vehicles combo. Do a little sideswipe hop out spray and hop back in. What's the answer to that? It's interesting and I find it exciting that I don't know if that guy holding the scrambler rifle is good enough to down me. Even if he does once, I'll recognize that attack pattern next time. It's what gaming is really about right? problem solving? well it's ok to die every once in a while. It's not ok to die all the time when you've earned top quality gear. That goes for everyone. I'm happy that I am not in god mode. But my mind is what sets me apart from most. I will beat you. Thus should you also beat me. If you are having trouble doing so with any weapon available in game. Obviously it's not because something is OP. You're actually dumb. Like for real. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 253	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:23:00 - [2] - Quote ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating. Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:24:00 - [3] - Quote Grease Spillett wrote: Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I win due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what. But it's ok if i die in a decent manner. I would even give dam modded out lasers there respect because that's there nitch. But should a scrambler rifle be a weapon that is guaranteed win in the right hands? Well to me it appears the same as the hmg logi vehicles combo. Do a little sideswipe hop out spray and hop back in. What's the answer to that? It's interesting and I find it exciting that I don't know if that guy holding the scrambler rifle is good enough to down me. Even if he does once, I'll recognize that attack pattern next time. It's what gaming is really about right? problem solving? well it's ok to die every once in a while. It's not ok to die all the time when you've earned top quality gear. That goes for everyone. I'm happy that I am not in god mode. But my mind is what sets me apart from most. I will beat you. Thus should you also beat me. If you are having trouble doing so with any weapon available in game. Obviously it's not because something is OP. You're actually dumb. Like for real. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:31:00 - [4] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating. Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. go ahead I don't really know what's going on there. I can see some things right but i shouldn't fall down to a scr like I think I would a sniper rifle. Snipers should be really messing people up but they don't like an scr is. Ar's don't mess people up like scr's do. Forge guns LOL need I say anything? HMG better have kbm or he's SOL. Laser keep your distance or else. Shotgun who doesn't think a shot gun round should be 2-3 shots and your out? I don't know the right answer's I just can't see it anymore. Is there a way to have balance and niche's? Some do but others seem so misplaced or misused. That's why I can't h8 I don't even know what a baseline or reality is or should be for this game. My concepts are what I believe. Where's the baseline? Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 85	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:34:00 - [5] - Quote Baseline should be PvE balancing, not PvP. ScR are not as OP as AR. Coming from an AR user, btw. I see a guy with a ScR, I can at least take a few potshots at him. AR? Dead before I ADS. And I see HIM first. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 98	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:35:00 - [6] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating. Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. You can't be serious..... This is like saying people with the AR should only kill others with burst fire. Or like saying people who run MD should only kill with direct impact shots. I'm supposed to charge a shot in front of my enemy while he shoots my face off right? @OP The SCR SHOULD guarantee a win in the RIGHT hands just like how the AR guarantees a win in dumb hands.....
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 340	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:36:00 - [7] - Quote ScR has a risk/reward component. If you hit the charged shot and follow up with 3-5 shots your opponent is dead. If you miss the charged shot and you can't break line of sight, you are most likely dead. The other 2 options (hit charged and enemy breaks LoS, miss charged and you break LoS) don't have a critical result
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:39:00 - [8] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating. Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. You can't be serious..... This is like saying people with the AR should only kill others with burst fire. Or like saying people who run MD should only kill with direct impact shots. I'm supposed to charge a shot in front of my enemy while he shoots my face off right? @OP The SCR SHOULD guarantee a win in the RIGHT hands just like how the AR guarantees a win in dumb hands..... sensing a slightly skewed reality there. Maybe you've just been killed by too many ar's? Man it happens when a weapon is super popular and understandable. But don't let a superiority complex get in the way of what you mean to say. The message I got was you agree yet you hold a grudge. Please detail your correction in dumb terms so this simple ar user can understand. I'm not trolling I'm just here to settle it WTF is everyone's problem? Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:41:00 - [9] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: ScR has a risk/reward component. If you hit the charged shot and follow up with 3-5 shots your opponent is dead. If you miss the charged shot and you can't break line of sight, you are most likely dead. The other 2 options (hit charged and enemy breaks LoS, miss charged and you break LoS) don't have a critical result OK right! the engagement is settled based on a preset plan regardless ty NO bs best honest post I've seen on the subject. So reality is if you have SCR and you lose the first time ok. Lose the second time and what were you thinking? Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:51:00 - [10] - Quote I would like to hear from some scrambler rifle users experiences of out thinking and dropping players. It's been done to me so i'll say what happened in my instance. I was running to alpha and out hops a g1 suit scr. Dude strafes left to right... in my view to him it was right then left. HE KILLED ME IN .2 secs. Not even a second and I hear and see blood. So guess what I did next time? I moved the opposite direction. Guess who won? The dumb ar guy who memorized the pattern. Guess who won the third time? The dumb ar guy who assumed that the pattern would change due to the lack of success. Guess who won the fourth time? The dumb ar guy who just simply did not care about what the scr guy thought because he was already up 1 and in the guys head. The games working pretty damn good as is if you nerf the ar or the scr in the following weeks. What's gonna happen? Ar guy has sp to spend on his cr that most halo and cod players are overly familiar with anyways. SCR users? Good luck working gimped scr's and Rail rifles. Quote it. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw

daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 342	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:52:00 - [11] - Quote I really don't get it. Are you mad, because you got shot by a ScR? Duvolle is still God mode, try it.
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:53:00 - [12] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: I really don't get it. Are you mad, because you got shot by a ScR? Duvolle is still God mode, try it. sighs at this. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 342	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:56:00 - [13] - Quote I wouldn't pick a head on fight with an AR, because I like to make sure my charged shot hits ... which takes time .. and yeah, you get killed in under a sec from Toxins, Exiles, Duvolles, GEKs all over the place. Also, auto aim neglects most of the strafing, so I don't get why you won by changing your strafing pattern.
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 111	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:04:00 - [14] - Quote So, shield tankers are still everywhere? ;)
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:05:00 - [15] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: I wouldn't pick a head on fight with an AR, because I like to make sure my charged shot hits ... which takes time .. and yeah, you get killed in under a sec from Toxins, Exiles, Duvolles, GEKs all over the place. Also, auto aim neglects most of the strafing, so I don't get why you won by changing your strafing pattern. Ok I'm with you on this dynamic and that's interesting. I don't believe auto aim is as strong as it was. I shot a whole clip today into a rail which I could clearly see over half the persons body. Am I dumb yeah. Is auto aim a factor? To me from today and several days experiences it help but damn rely on it and it will actually kill you. Therefore. Aim assist I knew would not have much of anything to do with our gun fights. It was strategy. I play this game way too much. I'm passing people in kills and warpoint that have played since everything started counting every single day. If this game were a job I would say I was a subject matter expert for 1.3-1.6 Anyone who knows me asks why do you always play dust? I probably have mild to serious asperger's syndrome and this caught my attention. Tactically I get this game. Every new update is good because I don't know what I am getting into yet it is familiar. Dang TMI shuttin up now. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:08:00 - [16] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: So, shield tankers are still everywhere? ;) Yeah but I think they are giving up shields for dam mods and armor. Now everyone want's to be gallente logi. I am gallente logi and SCR will still beat the stuffing out of it. I have been absolutely raped by anyone with half a brain and patience carrying an scr. FACT Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 254	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:31:00 - [17] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: @OP The SCR SHOULD guarantee a win in the RIGHT hands just like how the AR guarantees a win in dumb hands..... Yeah you see, that's why. Spamming the ScR guarantees a win in dumb hands. Charge makes the ScR incredibly effective in the right hands. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 705	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:42:00 - [18] - Quote @OP GG earlier. Purification. It's what I do.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 210	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:11:00 - [19] - Quote Grease Spillett wrote: Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I **** due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what. It's very simple, the SCR combines superior range with double the DPS of the AR (931.8 versus 467.5 for the AR). The overheat is a very minor drawback given the benefits, and most users mitigate this with the Amarr assault suit anyway. The SCR needs some kind of rebalancing so it doesn't dominate both at range and close up, as it does presently.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 345	Posted - 2013.11.16 14:18:00 - [20] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Grease Spillett wrote: Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I **** due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what. It's very simple, the SCR combines superior range with double the DPS of the AR (931.8 versus 467.5 for the AR). The overheat is a very minor drawback given the benefits, and most users mitigate this with the Amarr assault suit anyway. The SCR needs some kind of rebalancing so it doesn't dominate both at range and close up, as it does presently. I don't know were you got your DPS numbers but e.g. 1on3 the AR can spray everybody dead, ScR cannot. It's a high alpha damage weapon which cannot deliver sustained damage.

jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 84	Posted - 2013.11.16 14:23:00 - [21] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: So, shield tankers are still everywhere? ;) low 7k sp gain+3 mill to proto a suit is, stupid
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 216	Posted - 2013.11.16 14:38:00 - [22] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Grease Spillett wrote: Seen some amazing feets and lack of skills. I run the ar vs scr. 8 times out of ten I **** due to movement and anticipation. But on the other side of that I fall like a brick and feel dumb. There's something up with it though i'm not entirely sure what. It's very simple, the SCR combines superior range with double the DPS of the AR (931.8 versus 467.5 for the AR). The overheat is a very minor drawback given the benefits, and most users mitigate this with the Amarr assault suit anyway. The SCR needs some kind of rebalancing so it doesn't dominate both at range and close up, as it does presently. I don't know were you got your DPS numbers but e.g. 1on3 the AR can spray everybody dead, ScR cannot. It's a high alpha damage weapon which cannot deliver sustained damage. DPS is simply Damage*RPM/60, using the in-game numbers (also here). I think you can get around 20 shots off with the ScR before overheat (varies with Amarr assault skill, of course), which is 1580 damage - certainly enough to take down multiple opponents.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 345	Posted - 2013.11.16 14:43:00 - [23] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/themes/ccpEveOnline/pix-trans.png DPS is simply Damage*RPM/60, using the in-game numbers (also here). I think you can get around 20 shots off with the ScR before overheat (varies with Amarr assault skill, of course), which is 1580 damage - certainly enough to take down multiple opponents. Yeah, those numbers are correct. But you have to press fire 11 times / sec with your finger .. show me how you do this? Also, 20 is a bit high ... I'm don't have amarr 5, but 10-13 shots says my feeling .. will test it. Many people are mad, because they lose 1on1 against a ScR with their AR ...
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 216	Posted - 2013.11.16 15:01:00 - [24] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/themes/ccpEveOnline/pix-trans.png DPS is simply Damage*RPM/60, using the in-game numbers (also here). I think you can get around 20 shots off with the ScR before overheat (varies with Amarr assault skill, of course), which is 1580 damage - certainly enough to take down multiple opponents. Yeah, those numbers are correct. But you have to press fire 11 times / sec with your finger .. show me how you do this? Also, 20 is a bit high ... I'm don't have amarr 5, but 10-13 shots says my feeling .. will test it. Many people are mad, because they lose 1on1 against a ScR with their AR ... How to get 11 shots off per second: 1. Be good at FPS; or 2. Use turbo controller. There are plenty in both categories playing Dust, so the game should be balanced on the assumption that full DPS is achieved, as is the case with TacAR now following earlier OPness. As for number of shots, with full skills it might be 17-19 - I only have Amarr assault 3 and not sure how many 5 gets you. It's certainly much more than 10-13.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 346	Posted - 2013.11.16 15:13:00 - [25] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: How to get 11 shots off per second: 1. Be good at FPS; or 2. Use turbo controller. There are plenty in both categories playing Dust, so the game should be balanced on the assumption that full DPS is achieved, as is the case with TacAR now following earlier OPness. As for number of shots, with full skills it might be 17-19 - I only have Amarr assault 3 and not sure how many 5 gets you. It's certainly much more than 10-13. I will test this right now and edit my results into this post.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1105	Posted - 2013.11.16 15:14:00 - [26] - Quote The scr is a 1 vs 1 type of weapon you simply cant do 1 vs 2 if everyone is in proto. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 450	Posted - 2013.11.16 15:21:00 - [27] - Quote The only thing I will say about the ScR - maybe they should reduce ammo or make it that charged shots used multiple rounds. A good ScR user could easily go near an entire match without the use of a supply depot / nano hive. Funny to hear people crying about the AScR - AR is the same, AScR may get the better users more head shot kills but both drop enemies quickly.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 346	Posted - 2013.11.16 15:36:00 - [28] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: I will test this right now and edit my results into this post. Results: Amarr Assault A/1 Series, dropsuit skill level 3/5 (=15% heat reduction), ADV ScR Rifle clipsize 45 I clicked as fast as possible and looked at my clip after overheating. -> I can get my clip down to somewhere between 23 - 26, which means i fired 19-22 shots. I can do this in (mean value) 3,94sec, which makes it roughly 5 shots/sec and a dps of about 400 - 500 damage / sec. You are free to make your own tests. Just to add some stuff to my post. There is a video on youtube for a tactical AR with turbo controller, which shoots 30 bullets in 5-6 secs. This is roughly the same amount I was able to archive with my ScR. (-> roughly the same DPS) Please, if anybody can provide a test with a turbo controller and a ScR.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 627	Posted - 2013.11.16 15:41:00 - [29] - Quote You spelt "feat" wrong. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 217	Posted - 2013.11.16 16:13:00 - [30] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: How to get 11 shots off per second: 1. Be good at FPS; or 2. Use turbo controller. There are plenty in both categories playing Dust, so the game should be balanced on the assumption that full DPS is achieved, as is the case with TacAR now following earlier OPness. As for number of shots, with full skills it might be 17-19 - I only have Amarr assault 3 and not sure how many 5 gets you. It's certainly much more than 10-13. I will test this right now and edit my results into this post. Results: Amarr Assault A/1 Series, dropsuit skill level 3/5 (=15% heat reduction), ADV ScR Rifle clipsize 45 I clicked as fast as possible and looked at my clip after overheating. -> I can get my clip down to somewhere between 23 - 26, which means i fired 19-22 shots. I can do this in (mean value) 3,94sec, which makes it roughly 5 shots/sec and a dps of about 400 - 500 damage / sec. You are free to make your own tests. Thanks, that's helpful. 5 shots per second means you're achieving a fire rate of 300RPM. So maybe a good fix would be to decrease the RPM on the standard ScR from 705.9 to something like 500 (for comparison, the Tac AR has RPM of 400). This would have no impact on most users, who cannot fire that quickly anyway.



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