DUST Search - Not hating SCR.

1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:

I think the issue is trying to balance the weapon based on pub games. If the Scrambler Rifle is to be nerfed based on its over-performance in Pub games it will hurt its usefulness in PC games. Because there if I am caught in a 2 v 1 against Duvolles or getting rushed by a tanked out gallente shogunner in tight corridors I'm dead.

I place low on the leaderboards with a good amount of deaths when the above situations are forced on me in PC games. But my best games, where I accumulate well over 20 kills usually, are when I am placed in mid-range engagements holding our homepoint objective or attacking the enemy homepoint situated outside of the city. This is against players who bring their best to games, nothing short of proto everything.

Pub games are much too frantic, I only run the Templar Scr ever since I got it and its only a STD weapon, even then I often top the leaderboards and take down Proto-using opponents due to it being too easy to get lost in the fray and caught unaware. Most of my kills comes from flanks and mid-range battles, I stick to cover and land my shots, and I always switch to my SMG or Pistol in close range encounters.

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daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 349	Posted - 2013.11.16 16:15:00 - [31] - Quote Sure, still, would love to see a turbo controller achive 700 rpm on a SCR.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1849	Posted - 2013.11.16 16:28:00 - [32] - Quote another dog licking its own behind...
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 349	Posted - 2013.11.16 16:55:00 - [33] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: another dog licking its own behind... lol, butthurt, too much d!ck?
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1849	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:06:00 - [34] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: another dog licking its own behind... lol, butthurt, too much d!ck? Please refrain from expressing your homoerotic fantasies on the forum. Thank you.
Tectonic Fusion 565	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:43:00 - [35] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating. Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. Do you know how many times people have died by trying to use it as a CQC weapon... If they spam it in close range, they have a good chance of overheating due the the great RoF because it's a suicide button to spam it. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 712	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:43:00 - [36] - Quote I'm not going to jump in on the SCR vs. AR debate. But here's my game plan for using the SCR. 1. If I come to a group of enemies. I'm picking out and shooting at the Caldari; no exceptions. I will take the Caldari on before a Scout, or anything. They have shields, and my SCR eats shields. So, I pick opponents that play to my weapon's strength. 2. I always lead with a charge shot, even if it's only a half shot, if the engagement is is beyond 20m. I need to inflict the most damage ASAP, because my shots travel slower and I can't fire my SCR as fast as a full-auto weapon. 3. I aim. And, I mean I flippin' AIM! If I miss my shot volley, there's a odd chance I'll be in a world of hurt. If I'm taking on 6 enemies, I HAVE to land my volleys. Because if I miss, and the enemy is still standing, I might overheat and could die because I'm now unarmed for 5 seconds. Switching to sidearm actually takes to long, it's much faster to kill them out right in the first place. 4. I use timing. Since the gun over heats and locks up, I have to keep a rhythm going. I can't look down at my over heat meter, so I have to have a good idea where I am in respects to that. Especially if one of the enemies is a Heavy or Brick Gallente, because a full volley is not enough to kill them. Its always good to have something for at least partial cover, because eventually you'll have to just stop shooting for 3 seconds or reload. One of my most successful tactics is simply popping out from behind some form of cover and getting a kill, then popping out of the other side and getting a kill, and just going back and forth. I can get 11-14 kills racked up before anyone realizes what's happening, and before you know it the enemy team is gone, and the Minmatar Logi that was covering me can now slip past and hack the objective. All in all, I think I'm effective with the SCR because I play smart, and and aim... which all-in-all is all FPS really is. The same tactics apply to every gun, so I don't know if the SCR is special, or not. I don't know if this helps you, or not. But, I see SCR users at either the very top of the leaderboard, or at the very bottom. It takes skill to use, but I'm not going to pretend its the hardest thing to master since Astrophysics.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 712	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:49:00 - [37] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Sure, still, would love to see a turbo controller achive 700 rpm on a SCR. IMPOSSIBLE! How many people can't get this through their flippin' head? The gun can has an over heat lock up. You't can't empty the clip in one burst. The most you can get is 20, that's with Prototype everything including the Amarr Assault Drop suit.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 354	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:02:00 - [38] - Quote Nice explanation of 8213, +1 I achieved 19-22 shots before overheating with amarr assault lvl 3 and a rpm of roughly 300. I would love to see how fast you can fire that scrambler (really 700 rpm?) and how fast it overheats then. Go cheaters, show me.
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 104	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:10:00 - [39] - Quote @OP I main the SCR all the time. I used the AR until I decided I wanted to try new weapons. I decided for the lower ROF rifle as I like marksmanship weapons. I believe a well placed delivery will yield more than smaller multiple attacks. The trick with the gun is patience. Charging before you engage. By having good cover allows for quick retreat for heat cooldown if the charge misses, as well as making your enemy cross open ground to close the gap. Slow aiming and strafe to line up charge shots. In CQC, again the charge shot. Allow your enemy to come to you, so you have a charge shot waiting, with a quick volley if needed. This gun is great if you're willing to wait. Tldr- charge shot and position.
Bunny Demon Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 6	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:11:00 - [40] - Quote I have to say the scrambler rifle can be really powerful IF you spec into it properly, a lot of people have done this so I appears 'OP' I was speced into it when the TAR was still really powerful because I didn't like the TAR recoil and I have to say, std SR with no skills (including damage mods) is massively different from what I have now which can absolutely melt people Donate isk to the guy above ^ (Or me, whichever you prefer)

daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 356	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:14:00 - [41] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: another dog licking its own behind... lol, butthurt, too much d!ck? Please refrain from expressing your homoerotic fantasies on the forum. Thank you. You should refrain from posting useless crap if you can't stand the reaction. Thank you. Please, write down your experiences with the ScR, your opinion on the ScR or something related to it. This is what this thread is for. Anything else? As you sow, so you shall reap.
Rei Shepard Ametat Security Amarr Empire 997	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:32:00 - [42] - Quote On 125 clicks i get a click average of 8.25 clicks a second, with all skils at max and 1 damage mod, i guess thats an average of 824 dps a second, thats 495 rounds per minute, so yeah the gun should be really fine at 500 RPM. Most people have 300-400 EHP and the Imperial can sustain that amount of shots for 2.5 seconds before seizing up, so in 2.5 seconds i can chew trough 2060 total EHP before i need to swap to my Sidearm. But the really tricky part to make the gun deadly is really simple ...don't miss shots, most people just cant click fast enough while keeping it on target. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 257	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:39:00 - [43] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating. Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. Do you know how many times people have died by trying to use it as a CQC weapon... If they spam it in close range, they have a good chance of overheating due the the great RoF because it's a suicide button to spam it. Well I've died by someone spamming it in close range, and I've hated it, because it's not supposed to do that. It's supposed to, as you said, kill you instead. Laser weaponry is medium to long range. Pulse laser weaponry is medium to short (but not THAT short, thats plasma range) "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 104	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:05:00 - [44] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating. Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. Do you know how many times people have died by trying to use it as a CQC weapon... If they spam it in close range, they have a good chance of overheating due the the great RoF because it's a suicide button to spam it. Well I've died by someone spamming it in close range, and I've hated it, because it's not supposed to do that. It's supposed to, as you said, kill you instead. Laser weaponry is medium to long range. Pulse laser weaponry is medium to short (but not THAT short, thats plasma range) It's not supposed to do that? If you are close enough, of course someone is going to fill you with laser. What should it do in cqc? Insta kill the user? If you shot someone close range with the forge, should it also just backfire? Just because a weapon has strength in med to long range, doesn't mean it should be a pea shooter in cqc. Maybe the AR should have more dispersion so it's not deadly at beyond 70m.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 51	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:12:00 - [45] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. Kill me with a charge shot and maybe a few shots afterwards, and I'll accept you to be a good user. Spamming it still gets you good results at close range without worrying too much about overheating. Don't even get me started with the Assault ScR. Spamming a SCR will almost NEVER end in good results vs a skilled player (its not a Duvolle people,where you can hold R1 without aiming and get good resuts 90% of the time) Me Myself i think i've never killed a player with my SCR that havn't eat a Charged shot FIRST. Except maybe scouts... The ASCR is a joke compared to real ARs. I can beat most ASCR users with my freakn Toxin AR,and im not even that good....nuff said.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 481	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:23:00 - [46] - Quote I think the issue is trying to balance the weapon based on pub games. If the Scrambler Rifle is to be nerfed based on its over-performance in Pub games it will hurt its usefulness in PC games. Because there if I am caught in a 2 v 1 against Duvolles or getting rushed by a tanked out gallente shogunner in tight corridors I'm dead. I place low on the leaderboards with a good amount of deaths when the above situations are forced on me in PC games. But my best games, where I accumulate well over 20 kills usually, are when I am placed in mid-range engagements holding our homepoint objective or attacking the enemy homepoint situated outside of the city. This is against players who bring their best to games, nothing short of proto everything. Pub games are much too frantic, I only run the Templar Scr ever since I got it and its only a STD weapon, even then I can easily top the leaderboards due to it being too easy to get lost in the fray and caught unaware. Most of my kills comes from flanks and mid-range battles, I stick to cover and land my shots, and I always switch to my SMG or Pistol in close range encounters. The Sinwarden
Himiko Kuronaga The Generals EoN. 2316	Posted - 2013.11.17 04:26:00 - [47] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. So in other words you hate it when people use it correctly.
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 108	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:01:00 - [48] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: ScR is great. I just hate it when people spam it. So in other words you hate it when people use it correctly. I enjoy this. What are people supposed to do? Fire once so you can run away. Like Himiko said, if you're not 'spamming' bullets you're doing it wrong. Btw, what weapon in this game isn't 'spammed'?
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 360	Posted - 2013.11.17 09:17:00 - [49] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: I think the issue is trying to balance the weapon based on pub games. If the Scrambler Rifle is to be nerfed based on its over-performance in Pub games it will hurt its usefulness in PC games. Because there if I am caught in a 2 v 1 against Duvolles or getting rushed by a tanked out gallente shogunner in tight corridors I'm dead. I place low on the leaderboards with a good amount of deaths when the above situations are forced on me in PC games. But my best games, where I accumulate well over 20 kills usually, are when I am placed in mid-range engagements holding our homepoint objective or attacking the enemy homepoint situated outside of the city. This is against players who bring their best to games, nothing short of proto everything. Pub games are much too frantic, I only run the Templar Scr ever since I got it and its only a STD weapon, even then I often top the leaderboards and take down Proto-using opponents due to it being too easy to get lost in the fray and caught unaware. Most of my kills comes from flanks and mid-range battles, I stick to cover and land my shots, and I always switch to my SMG or Pistol in close range encounters. Nice explanation of effective usage, strength and weaks. +1
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 93	Posted - 2013.11.17 09:22:00 - [50] - Quote Very good. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw

Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.11.17 09:35:00 - [51] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Btw, what weapon in this game isn't 'spammed'? Plasma cannon. 1 shot + long reload means it's impossible.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1003	Posted - 2013.11.17 10:06:00 - [52] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: I think the issue is trying to balance the weapon based on pub games. If the Scrambler Rifle is to be nerfed based on its over-performance in Pub games it will hurt its usefulness in PC games. Because there if I am caught in a 2 v 1 against Duvolles or getting rushed by a tanked out gallente shogunner in tight corridors I'm dead. I place low on the leaderboards with a good amount of deaths when the above situations are forced on me in PC games. But my best games, where I accumulate well over 20 kills usually, are when I am placed in mid-range engagements holding our homepoint objective or attacking the enemy homepoint situated outside of the city. This is against players who bring their best to games, nothing short of proto everything. Pub games are much too frantic, I only run the Templar Scr ever since I got it and its only a STD weapon, even then I often top the leaderboards and take down Proto-using opponents due to it being too easy to get lost in the fray and caught unaware. Most of my kills comes from flanks and mid-range battles, I stick to cover and land my shots, and I always switch to my SMG or Pistol in close range encounters. I have not played any PC games so far, but will be doing some soon so i will get a better grasp at how the SCR performs during one, in Pub games if there is at least not one team on the opposing side i can litterally go through 40-60 enemy clones on my own and i don't use much tactics (and even one team really has a hard time with me), just the old head-on heading trough the enemy lines. But i think i am the only person in this game capable of deploying the SCR in CQC without fail. My personal record for cqc with is now 12 with the Imperial SCR + Toxin SMG combo since yesterday, before i had to reload both guns, no grenades. This is litterally due to the opponents weak FPS skills, because one person with good FPS skills can stop me in my tracks (even Revoitz stops me with a Toxin AR), or like for instance Tiberius with a Standard SCR, but 12 others could barely slow me down, while gear matters in this game, so does reaction time and fine motor control skills, awereness, timing and knowing at all times the position of possible ambush points, most people have maybe one of the 2 qualities but the others are unrefined and the subject never does anything with it to polish it, others have naturally high reaction speed & precise aim without ever doing anything, then they start to refine it. Most people like to think they are exxcellent shots in FPS games, while all they really do is spray & pray without tracking their target, in most FPS games they can get away with it because 2 bullets kills, in Dust 2 bullets from an AR do not kill and they get roflpwned. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"


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