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Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:22:00 - [1] - Quote Every Wednesday starting from 20/11/2013 after reset grab your rubberbands and join the Pubgame MCC AFK protest at CCP's inability to create a gamemode WITHOUT protostomping ! This is a call for all mercs tired of every pubgame being ruined by a group of the same people using proto gear to crush their enemies and make the game a complete waste of time, stop sacrificing your hard earned ISK so the elite can use you to pad your stats ! We need a gamemode that is fun FOR ALL not just the elite and whether you are on the team doing the protostomping or against the team doing the protostomping we can all agree the game is just as boring for those in the redline as it is for the non proto guys stood on the otherside of the redline ! If you want to play the game on Wednesdays join a squad and play FW but if you want this problem addressing please join me in sitting in the MCC spinning around in circles in every pubgame. Not playing the game would obviously be a better idea however it is difficult to track and if every pub game sees 26 ppl sat in the MCC and 6 guys in proto running around wondering where everyone else is we will know who's against it and who isn't. I often see people saying the player base isn;t big enough to seperate players however the reason why the player base isn;t big enough to do real matchmaking is because a huge proportion of new and intermediate plays simply quit the game after being crushed for the umpteenth time .. something has to give and simply put this game will not survive on its current course ! These 2 quotes perfectly sum up the issues DUST faces right now GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ GÇ£When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.GÇ¥ Sun Tzu , Art of War TL;DR The protostompers are basically crushing their opponents so badly that they simply up and walk out of the game and give up .. making your enemies lose the will to fight is a great tactic in real war but on a game it's a serious problem, the protostompers aren't simply trying to win they are trying to destroy everyone elses spirit and in most cases they don't even see the harm that they are doing. Maybe it's ignorance maybe that's their intention either way it has to stop and CCP are the only ones who can stop it .. the protostompers wont stop it and therefore we need to stand up and force CCP to address the issue !
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2113	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:25:00 - [2] - Quote how about no? Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1843	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:27:00 - [3] - Quote In choosing to do that, you harm those in the game who wish to play. Why sacrifice the enjoyment of your fellow mercs to make a in game stand? I understand why you doing it but I think there could be a better way of getting your voice heard.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 947	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:30:00 - [4] - Quote An organized team in STD gear will push to the redline a non organized team in a little more time than with PRO gear. Matchmaking should be based both on gear and team organization (you are in squad, you should go against other squads), protostomping it's obviously a problem, but are you sure that something would change if an organized team decide to play with STD suits and weapons? You'll call it teamstomping instead of protostomping. But if a team of random have to play with 2 or more organized squad i agree with you, let them play alone. But it's happening even without your request, all the redlined team switch to sniper fitting. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 772	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:39:00 - [5] - Quote It's been pushed around for the longest time now. Meta-based matchmaking is the answer. And as much as I'd like to push the point, I'm not going to rubberband my controller. That's disrespectful to my tool of enjoyment as a gamer. If you think Plasma Rifles take skill to use and are fine as they are, you are the problem.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 694	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:43:00 - [6] - Quote AFK players are as big a blight on this game as any glitch, imbalance or cheat. Ruining a game for your fellow players just because you feel others are ruining it for you is hypocritical. This is not how a community supports those players that share this space with them. And this is your first post so I'm calling you out as an ALT which you are using to hide your main identity. Why hide if you think this is a fair response to an issue you are having? You wish to bully CCP, hurt fellow gamers trying to enjoy the game and then you hide behind a posting alt. DUST does not need people like you. The correct response is to offer suggestions, contact the CPM, post in the feedback section or open a help ticket. You, OP, are bad for this game. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Mikey Ducati Xer Cloud Consortium 58	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:46:00 - [7] - Quote No AFK, join XCC. Disrupting order for a better New Eden
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 512	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:55:00 - [8] - Quote Why use a rubber band when you can record a macro on your mouse? KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1917	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:05:00 - [9] - Quote Yes that's awsome way to get support for your movement by ruining the enjoyment for everyone on the same day the ps4 drops. Really smart thinking their /Sarcasm "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2805	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:07:00 - [10] - Quote *Vive la revolution- French

castba Penguin's March 212	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:14:00 - [11] - Quote No, we all went through the baptism of stomping. Afk-ing hurts the game more than any proto stomp could. I Support SP Rollover
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:33:00 - [12] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: AFK players are as big a blight on this game as any glitch, imbalance or cheat. Ruining a game for your fellow players just because you feel others are ruining it for you is hypocritical. This is not how a community supports those players that share this space with them. And this is your first post so I'm calling you out as an ALT which you are using to hide your main identity. Why hide if you think this is a fair response to an issue you are having? You wish to bully CCP, hurt fellow gamers trying to enjoy the game and then you hide behind a posting alt. DUST does not need people like you. The correct response is to offer suggestions, contact the CPM, post in the feedback section or open a help ticket. You, OP, are bad for this game. All of the supposedly correct responses to the issue have been done countless times and have all been ignored, the CPM's are guilty of protostomping and dismiss every complaint about it, Help tickets about this issue get the same automated reply, every post in feedback and suggestions has been ignored and trolled by the very people complaining about this protest so there is no course of action left to us but this protest. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1498418#post1498418 Join the Anti-Protostomping Revolution every Wed
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1337	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:42:00 - [13] - Quote Why not get yourself proto? If it takes to long why not ask CCP to increase SP rewards? Why protest in a destructive matter, why don't you suggest something constructive that will help build a better foundation for this game instead of trying to rush the DEVs into forcing some sort of fix to a game mechanic. Better yet get some gun game, get some strategy, learn to play the game. I play in proto most of the time and there are time a MLT suit just obliterates me, and it's not by luck.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:51:00 - [14] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Why not get yourself proto? If it takes to long why not ask CCP to increase SP rewards? Why protest in a destructive matter, why don't you suggest something constructive that will help build a better foundation for this game instead of trying to rush the DEVs into forcing some sort of fix to a game mechanic. Better yet get some gun game, get some strategy, learn to play the game. I play in proto most of the time and there are time a MLT suit just obliterates me, and it's not by luck. Why did you run full proto and officer weapons in a public game against a team of random starter corp players ? You had already won after the first 40 seconds yet proceeded to stand at the edge of the redline killing these already beaten players as they spawned in ! Revolution Join the Anti-Protostomping Revolution every Wed
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 390	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:52:00 - [15] - Quote wat
LudiKure ninda Black Phoenix Mercenaries 45	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:59:00 - [16] - Quote Afk in the mcc is boring,...at least get yourself a Thale and afk in the redline ,..at least you can get few kills and hatemails
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 775	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:02:00 - [17] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Why did you run full proto and officer weapons in a public game against a team of random starter corp players ? You had already won after the first 40 seconds yet proceeded to stand at the edge of the redline killing these already beaten players as they spawned in ! I feel that you are an alt, but I will not give you strife because of it. Unlike quite a few, I could give less of a damn about mains or alts. All the same to me, really. What I will say to you, however, is that you are right for bringing up that notion. It's been going on for quite some time now. Whenever a force steps up, they (the same people that do what you mentioned) will immediately back down. If they had any merit, they would also have enough dignity to be fairer. "But, but, but... this is New Eden and life's not fair!" Neither is my own proto suit setup that is a miniature fuckin' tank. I'll never use it in a public game, for that is unjust for those that are unable to do the same. The day I bring out my suit, I'll run my wallet dry fighting the good fight, for they (my opponents), must be truly worth it. Until then, I'll continue to don full standard. It's all I need. I'll gun down whatever I see. To use protogear in a public match against anything but a full team that is doing the same is a disgrace. A shame. A crutch. Meta-based matchmaking is the answer. The vermin will be eradicated with it. If you think Plasma Rifles take skill to use and are fine as they are, you are the problem.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:10:00 - [18] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Why did you run full proto and officer weapons in a public game against a team of random starter corp players ? You had already won after the first 40 seconds yet proceeded to stand at the edge of the redline killing these already beaten players as they spawned in ! I feel that you are an alt, but I will not give you strife because of it. Unlike quite a few, I could give less of a damn about mains or alts. All the same to me, really. What I will say to you, however, is that you are right for bringing up that notion. It's been going on for quite some time now. Whenever a force steps up, they (the same people that do what you mentioned) will immediately back down. If they had any merit, they would also have enough dignity to be fairer. "But, but, but... this is New Eden and life's not fair!" Neither is my own proto suit setup that is a miniature fuckin' tank. I'll never use it in a public game, for that is unjust for those that are unable to do the same. The day I bring out my suit, I'll run my wallet dry fighting the good fight, for they (my opponents), must be truly worth it. Until then, I'll continue to don full standard. It's all I need. I'll gun down whatever I see. To use protogear in a public match against anything but a full team that is doing the same is a disgrace. A shame. A crutch. Meta-based matchmaking is the answer. The vermin will be eradicated with it. Your points were very eloquently put and I share those sentiments Join the Revolution
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 982	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:18:00 - [19] - Quote Or you could grab a Thale's Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:54:00 - [20] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: how about no? You just proved that talking to a CPM about this issue is pointless and for that I thank you ! Instead of forwarding on all the suggestions you have been given to address this issue to CCP you continue to deny that their is a problem There is a reason this protest has been suggested .. because people like you ignore all the rational solutions to the problem. Join the Revolution

Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:21:00 - [21] - Quote castba wrote: No, we all went through the baptism of stomping. Afk-ing hurts the game more than any proto stomp could. Proto stomping crushes the spirit of the new and intermediate players leading them to either quit the game entirely or AFK farming SP and ISK until they can use proto gear and fight back and sadly right now more people quit hence the fall in player numbers over the past 6 months AFKing and people qutting the game is a by-product of the real problem .. protostomping Death is the by-product of murder .... by your logic Death is the problem that needs fixing not the actual murder itself Why did I use that metaphor ? Because the people protostomping are the murderers of DUST 514 and AFKing/quitting the game is the end result or death part .. Join the Revolution
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 765	Posted - 2013.11.16 08:46:00 - [22] - Quote This is inherently the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. I will be on the lookout for members of my alliance exhibiting this dumb, and will deal with them appropriately. Proto has nothing to do with it. It had little do with it before, it has even less to do with it now. TTK is so fast, that what suit you're wearing is irrelevant. If you have to blame your suit on your death, it's just your refusal to admit you're a bad player. The game balance comes down to organization. Yes, matches are heavily imbalanced. No, it has nothing to do with proto suits. Most "protostompers" are actually running full organized squads. And they have Planetary Conquest experience. Experience they're more than happy to use on the unwashed masses in pub matches. The fact that they have proto (largely just because they can afford it, from PC income), has little to do with their success. If you want a way to sort players, it needs to be granting solo players a playground where squads aren't allowed. So that individuals can play on even turf. New players can start there to learn the feel of the mechanics and the gameplay, explore the maps, etc. Then they can hit up the squad finder to take it to the next step, having already learned the basics. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 161	Posted - 2013.11.16 08:51:00 - [23] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: 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Seriously. HTFU. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q ALSO: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/Shaunessy/1030121038.jpg
Oswald Rehnquist 589	Posted - 2013.11.16 08:59:00 - [24] - Quote What you are really upset about is organized squads, the reason that you mention proto is because that sounds better than saying teamwork is op. 1.4/1.6 literally made the difference between militia and proto thy smallest it has ever been, its why exiles are so popular combined with their lack of kick. My main fit I run 95% of the time, dragonfly scout (only suit I use) 2 x TT3 (advance pistols) One bpo dapener One advance dampener One bpo militia grenades Yet I can drop proto suits in a second, what is difficult is when an organized squad comes to gun you down. So in essence, solo work is hard (I run solo), teamwork removes your own weaknesses by others compensating for you. Below 28 dB
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 85	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:00:00 - [25] - Quote I'm sorry, but protostomping IS a problem. I run with organized squads. We are STD and ADV. We never give up, we fight the good fight. But we see, on the other side, Outer.Heaven, Molon Labe, etc., etc., and we KNOW they are gonna run proto. Use STD/ADV or stay in PC. Keep proto out of public matches. It's not fair to the people fresh out of Academy. EDIT: CCP has said that PvP is inherently unbalanced. What they meant was that there is always a better player out there. But using proto gear against militia... there is a problem there. EDIT 2: That being said, I am not participating in this. If I need Isk, I have free suits. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 161	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:03:00 - [26] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: I'm sorry, but protostomping IS a problem. I run with organized squads. We are STD and ADV. We never give up, we fight the good fight. But we see, on the other side, Outer.Heaven, Molon Labe, etc., etc., and we KNOW they are gonna run proto. Use STD/ADV or stay in PC. Keep proto out of public matches. It's not fair to the people fresh out of Academy. EDIT: CCP has said that PvP is inherently unbalanced. What they meant was that there is always a better player out there. But using proto gear against militia... there is a problem there. I refer you to https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1500935#post1500935 HTFU!
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 85	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:05:00 - [27] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: I'm sorry, but protostomping IS a problem. I run with organized squads. We are STD and ADV. We never give up, we fight the good fight. But we see, on the other side, Outer.Heaven, Molon Labe, etc., etc., and we KNOW they are gonna run proto. Use STD/ADV or stay in PC. Keep proto out of public matches. It's not fair to the people fresh out of Academy. EDIT: CCP has said that PvP is inherently unbalanced. What they meant was that there is always a better player out there. But using proto gear against militia... there is a problem there. I refer you to https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1500935#post1500935 HTFU! That's really the best comeback you have? Contribute to the thread, or leave. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 765	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:05:00 - [28] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: I'm sorry, but protostomping IS a problem. I run with organized squads. We are STD and ADV. We never give up, we fight the good fight. But we see, on the other side, Outer.Heaven, Molon Labe, etc., etc., and we KNOW they are gonna run proto. Use STD/ADV or stay in PC. Keep proto out of public matches. It's not fair to the people fresh out of Academy. EDIT: CCP has said that PvP is inherently unbalanced. What they meant was that there is always a better player out there. But using proto gear against militia... there is a problem there. EDIT 2: That being said, I am not participating in this. If I need Isk, I have free suits. Trust me, 0uter.Heaven and Molon Labe are not kicking your rear because they have proto suits. They're kicking your rear because they're better than you. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 85	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:07:00 - [29] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: I'm sorry, but protostomping IS a problem. I run with organized squads. We are STD and ADV. We never give up, we fight the good fight. But we see, on the other side, Outer.Heaven, Molon Labe, etc., etc., and we KNOW they are gonna run proto. Use STD/ADV or stay in PC. Keep proto out of public matches. It's not fair to the people fresh out of Academy. EDIT: CCP has said that PvP is inherently unbalanced. What they meant was that there is always a better player out there. But using proto gear against militia... there is a problem there. EDIT 2: That being said, I am not participating in this. If I need Isk, I have free suits. Trust me, 0uter.Heaven and Molon Labe are not kicking your rear because they have proto suits. They're kicking your rear because they're better than you. That's funny, when I actually see them using anything other than proto (which is not often, mind you) I kill them. Try again. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 765	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:08:00 - [30] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: I'm sorry, but protostomping IS a problem. I run with organized squads. We are STD and ADV. We never give up, we fight the good fight. But we see, on the other side, Outer.Heaven, Molon Labe, etc., etc., and we KNOW they are gonna run proto. Use STD/ADV or stay in PC. Keep proto out of public matches. It's not fair to the people fresh out of Academy. EDIT: CCP has said that PvP is inherently unbalanced. What they meant was that there is always a better player out there. But using proto gear against militia... there is a problem there. EDIT 2: That being said, I am not participating in this. If I need Isk, I have free suits. Trust me, 0uter.Heaven and Molon Labe are not kicking your rear because they have proto suits. They're kicking your rear because they're better than you. That's funny, when I actually see them using anything other than proto (which is not often, mind you) I kill them. Try again. Challenge them to a match on even gear. If you can put together a team that can beat 0.H with both sides being in standard gear, then you might have an argument. I'm sure they've got 16 players that are more than happy to defend their reputation and humiliate you at the same time. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 1089	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:10:00 - [31] - Quote Damn you Karl Marx(OP) You want all of us to wear the same standard dropsuit and the same standard weapon. I know what you are up to, and i refuse! For the Empire! Dual tanking is a sin. Well fuck me I can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:10:00 - [32] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: This is inherently the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. I will be on the lookout for members of my alliance exhibiting this dumb, and will deal with them appropriately. Acting ungentlemanly with things like AFK farming, being a cancer to your own team, is not classy. Proto has nothing to do with it. It had little do with it before, it has even less to do with it now. TTK is so fast, that what suit you're wearing is irrelevant. If you have to blame your suit on your death, it's just your refusal to admit you're a bad player. The game balance comes down to organization. Yes, matches are heavily imbalanced. No, it has nothing to do with proto suits. Most "protostompers" are actually running full organized squads. And they have Planetary Conquest experience. Experience they're more than happy to use on the unwashed masses in pub matches. The fact that they have proto (largely just because they can afford it, from PC income), has little to do with their success. If you want a way to sort players, it needs to be granting solo players a playground where squads aren't allowed. So that individuals can play on even turf. New players can start there to learn the feel of the mechanics and the gameplay, explore the maps, etc. Then they can hit up the squad finder to take it to the next step, having already learned the basics. If what suit you wear is so irrelevant then why is it used then ? Matchmaking is broken, it needs fixing CCP are still ignoring the problem and it hurts not only new players but intermediate players too. There is a reason why the player base has been declining over the past 6 months and that is because protostomping has got out of hand and every new and intermediate player has had their spirits crushed into oblivion and they simply up and leave the game. This is nothing to do with solo players being up against players in squads and a solo player only mode will still get exploited by people running full proto and stomping new players in that gamemode too. The only solution to this issue is to not only increase the requirements til players leave the academy but to introduce either meta level gaming (like high sec and low sec) and sp based matchmaking .. the current mechanics of this game throw new players to the wolves to act as food to pad the stats of the protostompers. BETA was alot more fun than the current build because protostomping wasn't as rife and proto gear was never intended to be used in every single gamemode ... PC is broken and allowed the current protostompers to monopolise ISK to fund players running full proto in pubgames, what we have currently is an amalgamation of all the issues this game has had over the past 6 months and it is game breaking ! You are free to not take part in the protest that is your choice Join the Revolution
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 85	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:12:00 - [33] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: I'm sorry, but protostomping IS a problem. I run with organized squads. We are STD and ADV. We never give up, we fight the good fight. But we see, on the other side, Outer.Heaven, Molon Labe, etc., etc., and we KNOW they are gonna run proto. Use STD/ADV or stay in PC. Keep proto out of public matches. It's not fair to the people fresh out of Academy. EDIT: CCP has said that PvP is inherently unbalanced. What they meant was that there is always a better player out there. But using proto gear against militia... there is a problem there. EDIT 2: That being said, I am not participating in this. If I need Isk, I have free suits. Trust me, 0uter.Heaven and Molon Labe are not kicking your rear because they have proto suits. They're kicking your rear because they're better than you. That's funny, when I actually see them using anything other than proto (which is not often, mind you) I kill them. Try again. Challenge them to a match on even gear. If you can put together a team that can beat 0.H with both sides being in standard gear, then you might have an argument. I'm sure they've got 16 players that are more than happy to defend their reputation and humiliate you at the same time. I'll build my army and get back to you. I'd say wish me luck, but I have a feeling you'd refuse. Happy hunting. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 765	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:26:00 - [34] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: If what suit you wear is so irrelevant then why is it used then ? Cuz they have too much money anyways from PC winnings. Karl Marx II wrote: Matchmaking is broken, it needs fixing CCP are still ignoring the problem and it hurts not only new players but intermediate players too. I agree. Matchmaking is broken. Organized squads should not be pit against solo players with no organization. Karl Marx II wrote: There is a reason why the player base has been declining over the past 6 months and that is because protostomping has got out of hand and every new and intermediate player has had their spirits crushed into oblivion and they simply up and leave the game. This is nothing to do with solo players being up against players in squads and a solo player only mode will still get exploited by people running full proto and stomping new players in that gamemode too. Incorrect. Correlation does not equal causation, it has nothing to do with the suit. If you can't kill an unorganized proto suit, you're bad. Karl Marx II wrote: The only solution to this issue is to not only increase the requirements til players leave the academy but to introduce either meta level gaming (like high sec and low sec) and sp based matchmaking .. the current mechanics of this game throw new players to the wolves to act as food to pad the stats of the protostompers. Meta level gaming is entirely impossible with the game design. In addition to being a terrible idea that deserves to be banished to the deepest circle of Tartarus. Karl Marx II wrote: BETA was alot more fun than the current build because protostomping wasn't as rife and proto gear was never intended to be used in every single gamemode ... PC is broken and allowed the current protostompers to monopolise ISK to fund players running full proto in pubgames, what we have currently is an amalgamation of all the issues this game has had over the past 6 months and it is game breaking ! You are free to not take part in the protest that is your choice Beta was a lot of fun because TTK was longer. It really has nothing to do with ISK or suit level. I'll be actively hunting down the sort of lowlifes who participate in your event. From now and going forwards. And when I do, I'll don a proto suit just to spite you. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 765	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:27:00 - [35] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: I'll build my army and get back to you. I'd say wish me luck, but I have a feeling you'd refuse. Happy hunting. I wish you the best of luck raising your army. Reign much fire and destruction upon your foes. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 765	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:31:00 - [36] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: BETA was alot more fun than the current build because protostomping wasn't as rife and proto gear was never intended to be used in every single gamemode Actually, the other thing I wanted to point out, before I go to bed, Karl: BETA was more fun. You know what else was different about beta? Proto suits were a lot more powerful. Due to current TTK, proto's pretty useless. But back then, a proto suit meant life and death. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:45:00 - [37] - Quote I'll be actively hunting down the sort of lowlifes who participate in your event. From now and going forwards. And when I do, I'll don a proto suit just to spite you.[/quote] How do you plan on hunting down people sat in the MCC exactly ? There is no rule that states that you have to actually leave the MCC, if players choose to run around the MCC then that is their choice just as using proto gear in pubgames is a choice ! I have 18m SP and have full access to proto level suits weapons and equipment only I save that for FW and PC I'm good enough that I don't have to use the best gear possible in public games. Every item has a meta level already, it isn't impossible to introduce a system like it at all and I have no idea where your decision that it is impossible comes from so please explain ! TTK was longer because hit detection was broken and weapons had damage buffs to compensate for this and now that hit detection is working the extra damage buffs has reduced TTK exponentially. Why do scouts die so easily compared to Heavies ? eHp ... the difference between a militia suit and a proto suit with proto mods is minimum 500 hp and a huge difference in damage, yes TTK is lower but taking down a proto in 8 seconds compared to killing a militia suit in 1 second is a huge difference, I honestly have no idea what game you're playing but it certainly isn't DUST I really find it funny that you think there is no difference between a militia suit and a proto suit, to not even understand something as basic as that shows me exactly why you disagree with me .. I feel like i'm trying to explain that the world is round to someone who has spent their entire life believing that the world is flat As I keep saying if you don't agree with the protest don't take part in it PS My Miltia AR has been the death of many a proto suit, Molon Labe and outer heaven have been redlined by an organised squad of people in STD gear v them in proto ... the fact is not everyone is as skilled and forcing them to get slaughtered every game for months on end is the reason why the player base isn't growing TL;DR You seem to be under the delusion that this is a QQ protest when in actual fact I used to protostomp but saw the problem it was causing to a game I want to succeed and stopped doing it .. not everyone who is against protostomping is a new player .. alot of vets also disagree with it's use in pubgames .. I have over 600m ISK I can afford to run proto every game if I wanted but I don't .. no argument you come up with will ever change the fact that protostomping in pubgames is detrimental to DUST Join the Revolution
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:20:00 - [38] - Quote Instantly liked the fact no one liked his post. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Oswald Rehnquist 589	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:20:00 - [39] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: TTK was longer because hit detection was broken and weapons had damage buffs to compensate for this and now that hit detection is working the extra damage buffs has reduced TTK exponentially. Why do scouts die so easily compared to Heavies ? eHp ... the difference between a militia suit and a proto suit with proto mods is minimum 500 hp and a huge difference in damage, yes TTK is lower but taking down a proto in 8 seconds compared to killing a militia suit in 1 second is a huge difference, I honestly have no idea what game you're playing but it certainly isn't DUST First off, a pure tanked heavy goes down in less than 3 seconds... not 8 seconds, leaving medium frames around 1-1.5, and scouts below 1. While it took a lot of figuring out, but this patch has been good to scouts on account that ehp almost means nothing, so getting that first shot off is more valuable than having higher tier gear (of the same weapon), its how I have been making bank. As of 1.6 getting your shot off first trumps an a higher tiered proto because reaction windows are small. Once TTK goes back to normal, this will change and perhaps it will need to be addressed, but as of now, people who are doing bad 1) have bad gun game 2) do not have team support Karl Marx II wrote: PS My Miltia AR has been the death of many a proto suit, Molon Labe and outer heaven have been redlined by an organised squad of people in STD gear v them in proto ... the fact is not everyone is as skilled and forcing them to get slaughtered every game for months on end is the reason why the player base isn't growing I've never used proto suits or weapons, ever and I know this here is an exaggeration because stomps are not 100% of the games, I would say the % of the stomps you are describing are like 15-30% of games, how it usually ends up is that things are going even for a while (1/3-1/2 through the game), one side makes a major inroad in an encounter, stat whores on the losing side quit and then the game becomes a wash. I have a feeling you are lumping this in there with your definition of protostomped. Karl Marx II wrote: TL;DR You seem to be under the delusion that this is a QQ protest when in actual fact I used to protostomp but saw the problem it was causing to a game I want to succeed and stopped doing it .. not everyone who is against protostomping is a new player .. alot of vets also disagree with it's use in pubgames .. I have over 600m ISK I can afford to run proto every game if I wanted but I don't .. no argument you come up with will ever change the fact that protostomping in pubgames is detrimental to DUST The last bit is that pubs reward you nicely with isk/sp regardless of performance/kd (which is why you afk), also I'd say my skill has increased by going against better players, while being under equipped. But if you want a proto less mode, at least combine it with all the other complaints people have Make pubs 1) Advance and below (or standard and below) 2) No vehicles (vehicles cost lots of money and operate like proto items and aren't fair to new players) 3) No squads, vets are often in squads, new players aren't Below 28 dB
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1921	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:21:00 - [40] - Quote Just my view but if u want fair balanced gameplay go play bf4 or cod dust is all about as being unfair as possable. This build is easiest one going so fair and it made me quit. If ur pissed off about pro gear then maybe dust is not the game for u. And u should try a class based shooter like tf2 "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers

Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:26:00 - [41] - Quote Grease Spillett wrote: Instantly liked the fact no one liked his post. 1.Protests aren't done because the people taking part in them want to be liked, protests are done to evoke change 2.No one likes protests, you aren't supposed too and that is the point of a protest Join the Revolution
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 85	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:31:00 - [42] - Quote With all due respect, Karl, this protest will get no one anywhere. I agree that protostomping is a problem, but it's not the only one. There's the blueberries not using teamwork, TTK being too short, etc,. etc. But an ingame protest? You want this game fixed? Get more people to play, or stop playing altogether. I'm doing the former. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:54:00 - [43] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: With all due respect, Karl, this protest will get no one anywhere. I agree that protostomping is a problem, but it's not the only one. There's the blueberries not using teamwork, TTK being too short, etc,. etc. But an ingame protest? You want this game fixed? Get more people to play, or stop playing altogether. I'm doing the former. If I didn't want this game to succeed I'd have left months ago, the ingame protest is a last resort due to months of ignoring the issue by CCP They rebuilt a matchmaking system that is even worse than before, reduced the WP on new players leaving the academy and there are no plans to address the issue in the next few months. There are of course alot of problems with this game however the game not being fun for a high proportion of the player base is a serious issue. As a gamer I can forgive any problem as long as the game is fun, that is the reason I play games .. if a game mechanic makes the game not fun and tedious then that is a problem that can't be ignored. Most of the people who see the problem aren't the type of players to come to the forums .. they are the casual players, the guys who play for fun and also the people who are leaving this game at an alarming rate .. 600 new characters are created every day yet the player base is declining ... Join the Revolution
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 85	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:57:00 - [44] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: With all due respect, Karl, this protest will get no one anywhere. I agree that protostomping is a problem, but it's not the only one. There's the blueberries not using teamwork, TTK being too short, etc,. etc. But an ingame protest? You want this game fixed? Get more people to play, or stop playing altogether. I'm doing the former. If I didn't want this game to succeed I'd have left months ago, the ingame protest is a last resort due to months of ignoring the issue by CCP They rebuilt a matchmaking system that is even worse than before, reduced the WP on new players leaving the academy and there are no plans to address the issue in the next few months. There are of course alot of problems with this game however the game not being fun for a high proportion of the player base is a serious issue. As a gamer I can forgive any problem as long as the game is fun, that is the reason I play games .. if a game mechanic makes the game not fun and tedious then that is a problem that can't be ignored. Most of the people who see the problem aren't the type of players to come to the forums .. they are the casual players, the guys who play for fun and also the people who are leaving this game at an alarming rate .. 600 new characters are created every day yet the player base is declining ... The mechanic is failing because the new players are leaving, yes. But if we bring in more players than are leaving, then this will fix itself. In the meantime, CCP needs an artificial fix on this sort of thing. Raise the Academy WP. 1200 WP in Dom is easy. Created a new character. 1400+ WP in two matches. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:05:00 - [45] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: With all due respect, Karl, this protest will get no one anywhere. I agree that protostomping is a problem, but it's not the only one. There's the blueberries not using teamwork, TTK being too short, etc,. etc. But an ingame protest? You want this game fixed? Get more people to play, or stop playing altogether. I'm doing the former. If I didn't want this game to succeed I'd have left months ago, the ingame protest is a last resort due to months of ignoring the issue by CCP They rebuilt a matchmaking system that is even worse than before, reduced the WP on new players leaving the academy and there are no plans to address the issue in the next few months. There are of course alot of problems with this game however the game not being fun for a high proportion of the player base is a serious issue. As a gamer I can forgive any problem as long as the game is fun, that is the reason I play games .. if a game mechanic makes the game not fun and tedious then that is a problem that can't be ignored. Most of the people who see the problem aren't the type of players to come to the forums .. they are the casual players, the guys who play for fun and also the people who are leaving this game at an alarming rate .. 600 new characters are created every day yet the player base is declining ... The mechanic is failing because the new players are leaving, yes. But if we bring in more players than are leaving, then this will fix itself. In the meantime, CCP needs an artificial fix on this sort of thing. Raise the Academy WP. 1200 WP in Dom is easy. Created a new character. 1400+ WP in two matches. The in game protest is just to try and get CCP to do something .. anything .. to address the issue, there are countless solutions out there from changing the academy into 2 different levels 1 for players below 2m sp and 1 for players with below 5m SP with the choice to play normal pubgames v ppl in any gear of any skill level, to SP/Meta level restricted game modes .. currently the system is flawed and is turning more players away than it is attracting Join the Revolution
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 85	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:07:00 - [46] - Quote Well, anyways, while I do think it needs to be changed, but that this won't work, I wish you the best of luck. Just don't be surprised if I make your merc fall. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:14:00 - [47] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Well, anyways, while I do think it needs to be changed, but that this won't work, I wish you the best of luck. Just don't be surprised if I make your merc fall. Thanks and in truth I know it probably wont make the slightest bit of difference but all I can do is try I will post this link though so you can keep track of the player base and amount of peopel online, if you look at the yearly graph you'll clearly see the general downwards trend and don't forget that last week was a triple SP event and look at how little difference it made to the numbers .. that's the most worrying part of all http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Join the Revolution
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 85	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:16:00 - [48] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Well, anyways, while I do think it needs to be changed, but that this won't work, I wish you the best of luck. Just don't be surprised if I make your merc fall. Thanks and in truth I know it probably wont make the slightest bit of difference but all I can do is try I will post this link though so you can keep track of the player base and amount of peopel online, if you look at the yearly graph you'll clearly see the general downwards trend and don't forget that last week was a triple SP event and look at how little difference it made to the numbers .. that's the most worrying part of all http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Look on the bright side: The players still here are those that are in it for the long haul. Like myself. Been here since Beta. Love this game. Nearly 10M SP. Shrug I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:08:00 - [49] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Well, anyways, while I do think it needs to be changed, but that this won't work, I wish you the best of luck. Just don't be surprised if I make your merc fall. Thanks and in truth I know it probably wont make the slightest bit of difference but all I can do is try I will post this link though so you can keep track of the player base and amount of peopel online, if you look at the yearly graph you'll clearly see the general downwards trend and don't forget that last week was a triple SP event and look at how little difference it made to the numbers .. that's the most worrying part of all http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Look on the bright side: The players still here are those that are in it for the long haul. Like myself. Been here since Beta. Love this game. Nearly 10M SP. Shrug True but alot of them are the ones adding to the problem Join the Revolution
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 88	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:44:00 - [50] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Well, anyways, while I do think it needs to be changed, but that this won't work, I wish you the best of luck. Just don't be surprised if I make your merc fall. Thanks and in truth I know it probably wont make the slightest bit of difference but all I can do is try I will post this link though so you can keep track of the player base and amount of peopel online, if you look at the yearly graph you'll clearly see the general downwards trend and don't forget that last week was a triple SP event and look at how little difference it made to the numbers .. that's the most worrying part of all http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Look on the bright side: The players still here are those that are in it for the long haul. Like myself. Been here since Beta. Love this game. Nearly 10M SP. Shrug True but alot of them are the ones adding to the problem You get griefers in every MMO. I used to be one. But I just love killing people. Maybe that's why scout shotgun worked for me in Beta.... I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.

Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2013.11.17 11:11:00 - [51] - Quote 3 days until the 1st day of protest begins Join the Revolution
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2013.11.17 13:00:00 - [52] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: 3 days until the 1st day of protest begins I'll have to make sure I can play that day then.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2013.11.17 14:11:00 - [53] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: 3 days until the 1st day of protest begins I'll have to make sure I can play that day then. Do what you like, it's your choice The protest is for like minded individuals, if you don't agree then don't take part This isn't the 1st post you've made in an attempt to troll and you will always get the same response .. if you don't agree then don't take part Join the Revolution


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