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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:10:00 -
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Damn you Karl Marx(OP) You want all of us to wear the same standard dropsuit and the same standard weapon. I know what you are up to, and i refuse!
For the Empire!
Dual tanking is a sin.
Well fuck me I can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:10:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:This is inherently the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. I will be on the lookout for members of my alliance exhibiting this dumb, and will deal with them appropriately. Acting ungentlemanly with things like AFK farming, being a cancer to your own team, is not classy.
Proto has nothing to do with it. It had little do with it before, it has even less to do with it now. TTK is so fast, that what suit you're wearing is irrelevant. If you have to blame your suit on your death, it's just your refusal to admit you're a bad player. The game balance comes down to organization.
Yes, matches are heavily imbalanced. No, it has nothing to do with proto suits. Most "protostompers" are actually running full organized squads. And they have Planetary Conquest experience. Experience they're more than happy to use on the unwashed masses in pub matches. The fact that they have proto (largely just because they can afford it, from PC income), has little to do with their success.
If you want a way to sort players, it needs to be granting solo players a playground where squads aren't allowed. So that individuals can play on even turf. New players can start there to learn the feel of the mechanics and the gameplay, explore the maps, etc. Then they can hit up the squad finder to take it to the next step, having already learned the basics.
If what suit you wear is so irrelevant then why is it used then ?
Matchmaking is broken, it needs fixing CCP are still ignoring the problem and it hurts not only new players but intermediate players too.
There is a reason why the player base has been declining over the past 6 months and that is because protostomping has got out of hand and every new and intermediate player has had their spirits crushed into oblivion and they simply up and leave the game.
This is nothing to do with solo players being up against players in squads and a solo player only mode will still get exploited by people running full proto and stomping new players in that gamemode too.
The only solution to this issue is to not only increase the requirements til players leave the academy but to introduce either meta level gaming (like high sec and low sec) and sp based matchmaking .. the current mechanics of this game throw new players to the wolves to act as food to pad the stats of the protostompers.
BETA was alot more fun than the current build because protostomping wasn't as rife and proto gear was never intended to be used in every single gamemode ... PC is broken and allowed the current protostompers to monopolise ISK to fund players running full proto in pubgames, what we have currently is an amalgamation of all the issues this game has had over the past 6 months and it is game breaking !
You are free to not take part in the protest that is your choice
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:12:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:I'm sorry, but protostomping IS a problem. I run with organized squads. We are STD and ADV. We never give up, we fight the good fight. But we see, on the other side, Outer.Heaven, Molon Labe, etc., etc., and we KNOW they are gonna run proto. Use STD/ADV or stay in PC. Keep proto out of public matches. It's not fair to the people fresh out of Academy.
EDIT: CCP has said that PvP is inherently unbalanced. What they meant was that there is always a better player out there. But using proto gear against militia... there is a problem there.
EDIT 2: That being said, I am not participating in this. If I need Isk, I have free suits. Trust me, 0uter.Heaven and Molon Labe are not kicking your rear because they have proto suits. They're kicking your rear because they're better than you. That's funny, when I actually see them using anything other than proto (which is not often, mind you) I kill them. Try again. Challenge them to a match on even gear. If you can put together a team that can beat 0.H with both sides being in standard gear, then you might have an argument. I'm sure they've got 16 players that are more than happy to defend their reputation and humiliate you at the same time. I'll build my army and get back to you. I'd say wish me luck, but I have a feeling you'd refuse. Happy hunting.
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Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
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Soraya Xel
Violent Intervention Top Men.
765
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:26:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:If what suit you wear is so irrelevant then why is it used then ?
Cuz they have too much money anyways from PC winnings.
Karl Marx II wrote:Matchmaking is broken, it needs fixing CCP are still ignoring the problem and it hurts not only new players but intermediate players too.
I agree. Matchmaking is broken. Organized squads should not be pit against solo players with no organization.
Karl Marx II wrote:There is a reason why the player base has been declining over the past 6 months and that is because protostomping has got out of hand and every new and intermediate player has had their spirits crushed into oblivion and they simply up and leave the game.
This is nothing to do with solo players being up against players in squads and a solo player only mode will still get exploited by people running full proto and stomping new players in that gamemode too.
Incorrect. Correlation does not equal causation, it has nothing to do with the suit.
If you can't kill an unorganized proto suit, you're bad.
Karl Marx II wrote:The only solution to this issue is to not only increase the requirements til players leave the academy but to introduce either meta level gaming (like high sec and low sec) and sp based matchmaking .. the current mechanics of this game throw new players to the wolves to act as food to pad the stats of the protostompers.
Meta level gaming is entirely impossible with the game design. In addition to being a terrible idea that deserves to be banished to the deepest circle of Tartarus.
Karl Marx II wrote:BETA was alot more fun than the current build because protostomping wasn't as rife and proto gear was never intended to be used in every single gamemode ... PC is broken and allowed the current protostompers to monopolise ISK to fund players running full proto in pubgames, what we have currently is an amalgamation of all the issues this game has had over the past 6 months and it is game breaking !
You are free to not take part in the protest that is your choice
Beta was a lot of fun because TTK was longer. It really has nothing to do with ISK or suit level.
I'll be actively hunting down the sort of lowlifes who participate in your event. From now and going forwards. And when I do, I'll don a proto suit just to spite you.
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Soraya Xel
Violent Intervention Top Men.
765
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:27:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:I'll build my army and get back to you. I'd say wish me luck, but I have a feeling you'd refuse. Happy hunting.
I wish you the best of luck raising your army. Reign much fire and destruction upon your foes.
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Soraya Xel
Violent Intervention Top Men.
765
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:31:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:BETA was alot more fun than the current build because protostomping wasn't as rife and proto gear was never intended to be used in every single gamemode
Actually, the other thing I wanted to point out, before I go to bed, Karl: BETA was more fun. You know what else was different about beta? Proto suits were a lot more powerful. Due to current TTK, proto's pretty useless. But back then, a proto suit meant life and death.
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:45:00 -
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I'll be actively hunting down the sort of lowlifes who participate in your event. From now and going forwards. And when I do, I'll don a proto suit just to spite you.[/quote]
How do you plan on hunting down people sat in the MCC exactly ? There is no rule that states that you have to actually leave the MCC, if players choose to run around the MCC then that is their choice just as using proto gear in pubgames is a choice !
I have 18m SP and have full access to proto level suits weapons and equipment only I save that for FW and PC I'm good enough that I don't have to use the best gear possible in public games.
Every item has a meta level already, it isn't impossible to introduce a system like it at all and I have no idea where your decision that it is impossible comes from so please explain !
TTK was longer because hit detection was broken and weapons had damage buffs to compensate for this and now that hit detection is working the extra damage buffs has reduced TTK exponentially.
Why do scouts die so easily compared to Heavies ? eHp ... the difference between a militia suit and a proto suit with proto mods is minimum 500 hp and a huge difference in damage, yes TTK is lower but taking down a proto in 8 seconds compared to killing a militia suit in 1 second is a huge difference, I honestly have no idea what game you're playing but it certainly isn't DUST
I really find it funny that you think there is no difference between a militia suit and a proto suit, to not even understand something as basic as that shows me exactly why you disagree with me .. I feel like i'm trying to explain that the world is round to someone who has spent their entire life believing that the world is flat
As I keep saying if you don't agree with the protest don't take part in it
PS My Miltia AR has been the death of many a proto suit, Molon Labe and outer heaven have been redlined by an organised squad of people in STD gear v them in proto ... the fact is not everyone is as skilled and forcing them to get slaughtered every game for months on end is the reason why the player base isn't growing
TL;DR You seem to be under the delusion that this is a QQ protest when in actual fact I used to protostomp but saw the problem it was causing to a game I want to succeed and stopped doing it .. not everyone who is against protostomping is a new player .. alot of vets also disagree with it's use in pubgames .. I have over 600m ISK I can afford to run proto every game if I wanted but I don't .. no argument you come up with will ever change the fact that protostomping in pubgames is detrimental to DUST
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:20:00 -
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Instantly liked the fact no one liked his post.
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:20:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:
TTK was longer because hit detection was broken and weapons had damage buffs to compensate for this and now that hit detection is working the extra damage buffs has reduced TTK exponentially.
Why do scouts die so easily compared to Heavies ? eHp ... the difference between a militia suit and a proto suit with proto mods is minimum 500 hp and a huge difference in damage, yes TTK is lower but taking down a proto in 8 seconds compared to killing a militia suit in 1 second is a huge difference, I honestly have no idea what game you're playing but it certainly isn't DUST
First off, a pure tanked heavy goes down in less than 3 seconds... not 8 seconds, leaving medium frames around 1-1.5, and scouts below 1. While it took a lot of figuring out, but this patch has been good to scouts on account that ehp almost means nothing, so getting that first shot off is more valuable than having higher tier gear (of the same weapon), its how I have been making bank. As of 1.6 getting your shot off first trumps an a higher tiered proto because reaction windows are small. Once TTK goes back to normal, this will change and perhaps it will need to be addressed, but as of now, people who are doing bad 1) have bad gun game 2) do not have team support
Karl Marx II wrote: PS My Miltia AR has been the death of many a proto suit, Molon Labe and outer heaven have been redlined by an organised squad of people in STD gear v them in proto ... the fact is not everyone is as skilled and forcing them to get slaughtered every game for months on end is the reason why the player base isn't growing
I've never used proto suits or weapons, ever and I know this here is an exaggeration because stomps are not 100% of the games, I would say the % of the stomps you are describing are like 15-30% of games, how it usually ends up is that things are going even for a while (1/3-1/2 through the game), one side makes a major inroad in an encounter, stat whores on the losing side quit and then the game becomes a wash. I have a feeling you are lumping this in there with your definition of protostomped.
Karl Marx II wrote: TL;DR You seem to be under the delusion that this is a QQ protest when in actual fact I used to protostomp but saw the problem it was causing to a game I want to succeed and stopped doing it .. not everyone who is against protostomping is a new player .. alot of vets also disagree with it's use in pubgames .. I have over 600m ISK I can afford to run proto every game if I wanted but I don't .. no argument you come up with will ever change the fact that protostomping in pubgames is detrimental to DUST
The last bit is that pubs reward you nicely with isk/sp regardless of performance/kd (which is why you afk), also I'd say my skill has increased by going against better players, while being under equipped.
But if you want a proto less mode, at least combine it with all the other complaints people have
Make pubs
1) Advance and below (or standard and below) 2) No vehicles (vehicles cost lots of money and operate like proto items and aren't fair to new players) 3) No squads, vets are often in squads, new players aren't
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steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:21:00 -
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Just my view but if u want fair balanced gameplay go play bf4 or cod dust is all about as being unfair as possable. This build is easiest one going so fair and it made me quit. If ur pissed off about pro gear then maybe dust is not the game for u. And u should try a class based shooter like tf2
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:26:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:Instantly liked the fact no one liked his post.
1.Protests aren't done because the people taking part in them want to be liked, protests are done to evoke change
2.No one likes protests, you aren't supposed too and that is the point of a protest
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:31:00 -
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With all due respect, Karl, this protest will get no one anywhere. I agree that protostomping is a problem, but it's not the only one. There's the blueberries not using teamwork, TTK being too short, etc,. etc. But an ingame protest? You want this game fixed? Get more people to play, or stop playing altogether. I'm doing the former.
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:54:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:With all due respect, Karl, this protest will get no one anywhere. I agree that protostomping is a problem, but it's not the only one. There's the blueberries not using teamwork, TTK being too short, etc,. etc. But an ingame protest? You want this game fixed? Get more people to play, or stop playing altogether. I'm doing the former.
If I didn't want this game to succeed I'd have left months ago, the ingame protest is a last resort due to months of ignoring the issue by CCP
They rebuilt a matchmaking system that is even worse than before, reduced the WP on new players leaving the academy and there are no plans to address the issue in the next few months.
There are of course alot of problems with this game however the game not being fun for a high proportion of the player base is a serious issue.
As a gamer I can forgive any problem as long as the game is fun, that is the reason I play games .. if a game mechanic makes the game not fun and tedious then that is a problem that can't be ignored.
Most of the people who see the problem aren't the type of players to come to the forums .. they are the casual players, the guys who play for fun and also the people who are leaving this game at an alarming rate .. 600 new characters are created every day yet the player base is declining ...
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:57:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:With all due respect, Karl, this protest will get no one anywhere. I agree that protostomping is a problem, but it's not the only one. There's the blueberries not using teamwork, TTK being too short, etc,. etc. But an ingame protest? You want this game fixed? Get more people to play, or stop playing altogether. I'm doing the former. If I didn't want this game to succeed I'd have left months ago, the ingame protest is a last resort due to months of ignoring the issue by CCP They rebuilt a matchmaking system that is even worse than before, reduced the WP on new players leaving the academy and there are no plans to address the issue in the next few months. There are of course alot of problems with this game however the game not being fun for a high proportion of the player base is a serious issue. As a gamer I can forgive any problem as long as the game is fun, that is the reason I play games .. if a game mechanic makes the game not fun and tedious then that is a problem that can't be ignored. Most of the people who see the problem aren't the type of players to come to the forums .. they are the casual players, the guys who play for fun and also the people who are leaving this game at an alarming rate .. 600 new characters are created every day yet the player base is declining ... The mechanic is failing because the new players are leaving, yes. But if we bring in more players than are leaving, then this will fix itself. In the meantime, CCP needs an artificial fix on this sort of thing. Raise the Academy WP. 1200 WP in Dom is easy. Created a new character. 1400+ WP in two matches.
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:05:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Karl Marx II wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:With all due respect, Karl, this protest will get no one anywhere. I agree that protostomping is a problem, but it's not the only one. There's the blueberries not using teamwork, TTK being too short, etc,. etc. But an ingame protest? You want this game fixed? Get more people to play, or stop playing altogether. I'm doing the former. If I didn't want this game to succeed I'd have left months ago, the ingame protest is a last resort due to months of ignoring the issue by CCP They rebuilt a matchmaking system that is even worse than before, reduced the WP on new players leaving the academy and there are no plans to address the issue in the next few months. There are of course alot of problems with this game however the game not being fun for a high proportion of the player base is a serious issue. As a gamer I can forgive any problem as long as the game is fun, that is the reason I play games .. if a game mechanic makes the game not fun and tedious then that is a problem that can't be ignored. Most of the people who see the problem aren't the type of players to come to the forums .. they are the casual players, the guys who play for fun and also the people who are leaving this game at an alarming rate .. 600 new characters are created every day yet the player base is declining ... The mechanic is failing because the new players are leaving, yes. But if we bring in more players than are leaving, then this will fix itself. In the meantime, CCP needs an artificial fix on this sort of thing. Raise the Academy WP. 1200 WP in Dom is easy. Created a new character. 1400+ WP in two matches.
The in game protest is just to try and get CCP to do something .. anything .. to address the issue, there are countless solutions out there from changing the academy into 2 different levels 1 for players below 2m sp and 1 for players with below 5m SP with the choice to play normal pubgames v ppl in any gear of any skill level, to SP/Meta level restricted game modes .. currently the system is flawed and is turning more players away than it is attracting
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:07:00 -
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Well, anyways, while I do think it needs to be changed, but that this won't work, I wish you the best of luck. Just don't be surprised if I make your merc fall.
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:14:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Well, anyways, while I do think it needs to be changed, but that this won't work, I wish you the best of luck. Just don't be surprised if I make your merc fall.
Thanks and in truth I know it probably wont make the slightest bit of difference but all I can do is try
I will post this link though so you can keep track of the player base and amount of peopel online, if you look at the yearly graph you'll clearly see the general downwards trend and don't forget that last week was a triple SP event and look at how little difference it made to the numbers .. that's the most worrying part of all
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:16:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Well, anyways, while I do think it needs to be changed, but that this won't work, I wish you the best of luck. Just don't be surprised if I make your merc fall. Thanks and in truth I know it probably wont make the slightest bit of difference but all I can do is try I will post this link though so you can keep track of the player base and amount of peopel online, if you look at the yearly graph you'll clearly see the general downwards trend and don't forget that last week was a triple SP event and look at how little difference it made to the numbers .. that's the most worrying part of all http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Look on the bright side: The players still here are those that are in it for the long haul. Like myself. Been here since Beta. Love this game. Nearly 10M SP. *Shrug*
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:08:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Karl Marx II wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Well, anyways, while I do think it needs to be changed, but that this won't work, I wish you the best of luck. Just don't be surprised if I make your merc fall. Thanks and in truth I know it probably wont make the slightest bit of difference but all I can do is try I will post this link though so you can keep track of the player base and amount of peopel online, if you look at the yearly graph you'll clearly see the general downwards trend and don't forget that last week was a triple SP event and look at how little difference it made to the numbers .. that's the most worrying part of all http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Look on the bright side: The players still here are those that are in it for the long haul. Like myself. Been here since Beta. Love this game. Nearly 10M SP. *Shrug*
True but alot of them are the ones adding to the problem
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:44:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Karl Marx II wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Well, anyways, while I do think it needs to be changed, but that this won't work, I wish you the best of luck. Just don't be surprised if I make your merc fall. Thanks and in truth I know it probably wont make the slightest bit of difference but all I can do is try I will post this link though so you can keep track of the player base and amount of peopel online, if you look at the yearly graph you'll clearly see the general downwards trend and don't forget that last week was a triple SP event and look at how little difference it made to the numbers .. that's the most worrying part of all http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Look on the bright side: The players still here are those that are in it for the long haul. Like myself. Been here since Beta. Love this game. Nearly 10M SP. *Shrug* True but alot of them are the ones adding to the problem You get griefers in every MMO. I used to be one. But I just love killing people. Maybe that's why scout shotgun worked for me in Beta....
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.17 11:11:00 -
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3 days until the 1st day of protest begins
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Rowdy Railgunner
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:00:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:3 days until the 1st day of protest begins I'll have to make sure I can play that day then. |
Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.17 14:11:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Karl Marx II wrote:3 days until the 1st day of protest begins I'll have to make sure I can play that day then.
Do what you like, it's your choice
The protest is for like minded individuals, if you don't agree then don't take part
This isn't the 1st post you've made in an attempt to troll and you will always get the same response .. if you don't agree then don't take part
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