My unbiased view

the reason why i didnt included the scrambler or laser rifle is due to their overheat function which makes them only limited effective and if you fight more then 1 guy you overheat and fall over dead faster as you can whack your gun to cooldown

Recoli? Spread? Wind up time? Having to fire a burst weapon? Do any of these come into play?

Recoli? Spread? Wind up time? Having to fire a burst weapon? Do any of these come into play?

Yes, but the doom sayers will not be silenced.

The largest advantage of the AR right now is the lack of any drawbacks.

When the weapons come out, we shall see, and THEN if it's bad, you can whine. Until then, hush.

Well i had a look at the new weapons and the current AR. Ive got some quite interesting numbers and give you eventually a hint what to spec into and how it will perform (more or less)
-So lets kick it off with the old fashioned duvolle with a DPS of 467
-the six kin assault combat rifle is slightly below it with 464 DPS. But at proto lvl you have 6m additional range!
-the Kaalakiota rail rifle comes with 475DPS and the assault variant comes with 480 DPS. And it is the weapon with the highest range off all weapons (apart from sniper rifles and forgeguns)

So what oes this tells us? A gun with the bets range and higher DPS then a duvolle is going to cause havok and will demolish AR users regardless of the range. I didnt included the burst rifles cause its a bit too tricky to evaluate the DPS on them but i can tell you allready that the raw damage on the combat (burst) rifle will be much higher then it is on the Allotek Burst AR.

My unbiased view is that the AR will follow the same destiny like the dodo. And that is to extinct. The combat rifle has lower fitting cost, slightly better range and very similar DPS. The Raiil rifle will be a deadly tool cause you can outrange every 1 who doesnt wield a forgegun or sniper rifle and have more DPS then both of the above mentioned weapons. And the reason why i didnt included the scrambler or laser rifle is due to their overheat function which makes them only limited effective and if you fight more then 1 guy you overheat and fall over dead faster as you can whack your gun to cooldown.

The spool up time is only at the beginning of the fully auto fire and its so minimal that it doesnt matter.

Could we also get the damage per clip and clip unloading times plz? Numbers are everything, and these i feel are the most necessary.

Bad number crafting.

You fail to take into account the charge up time of the Rail Rifle and dispersion effects of prolonged firing. This is a gun you cannot simply feather shoot easily like you can the AR to help reset the dispersion and kick. While true you will outrange a plasma rifle you're going to run into the issue of maintaining accuracy at that distance and be wasting a lot of bullets while the guy shooting back will be dropping the bead on you.

Also when doing DPS numbers you need to account for other factors thus a DPM is warranted which would include every stupid little nuance of the gun such as charge time and reloads then throw in the weapons endurance as well.

IMO, IWS needs to never post in threads like this.


Also, FYI the stats for the rr and cr have changed since being posted. So, people should poke wolfman and remnant to get thise and the updated vehicke changes before going into doomsday mode.

I already took the charge time into account. See my post on the previous page.

We can hardly take dispersion into account when we haven't handled the weapon, can we? Doesn't make our 'number crafting' (a ******* horrible term, but whatever) bad, it's the best we can do with the available data.

Reloads should be taken into account, but really it's a secondary consideration unless there are radical differences (e.g. AR versus HMG), which there aren't in this case.

DPM is a bit silly as what really matters are the few seconds in that minute where you're going toe to toe. A peashooter with an near infinite clip might have godly DPM but it's a peashooter nevertheless. I should know, I've been using the HMG for the best part of a year

Also, FYI the stats for the rr and cr have changed since being posted. So, people should poke wolfman and remnant to get thise and the updated vehicke changes before going into doomsday mode.

The spool up time is only at the beginning of the fully auto fire and its so minimal that it doesnt matter. Ive didnt uncluded the burst variants and only mentioned the DPS for the fully auto rifles.