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8213
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:54:00 -
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It came, it shot up, explode in beauty (1.7 range buff) and eventually it turns to ash and falls back down to Caldari Prime (YES I KNOW ITS AN AMARR WEAPON! BUT I WANT TO USE CALDARI PRIME BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO!) in the form of a nerf to end it once and for all.
From what I've read, I get the feeling that CCP Wolfman like the SCR. A lot was put into the thought of this gun. Its unique to an extent. Its not the hardest thing in the world to master, but it takes time to learn. The Basic SCR is good enough to use on its own.
I played with 0uter.Heaven's Eldest Dragon last night, and we decided to to dual SCR in a Skirmish. We r*ped face. And we also got r*ped by an ASCR guy on the other side too (the cheater SCR). The top players of that match were using the SCR, and the gap in scores showed that it was more than just the gun that was doing the work.
I get messaged all the time from noobs who call me hacker because I dropped them in 3-4 shots, less than .2 seconds. Even I was a little bit ignorant to the SCR when it was owning me (my fault for using Caldari) but then I used it for myself. Its not a pick up and go weapon.
But I'm taking this information to the grave. 99% of my SCR kills comes against from ignorant players. Some Prototype OP who thinks he doesn't have the right to die, and comes running full blaze with his AR in the wide open. Or some Starter noob that comes straight on.
The ultimate SCR balance is the fact that you can't take on 3 people at once. The TTK is short, but on the user's side it's long, because waiting for charges, semi auto fire, and the possibility of an over heat seize up makes that gun balanced. Just because someone makes it look easy, doesn't mean it is.
Plus, the darn PG it uses really makes you realize you can't just pile on the Damage Mods and Armor. I don't have the gun past level 3. I have level 3 reload, and nothing more skilled into it, proficiency 0. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:57:00 -
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People don't realise how ****** you are if you don't kill them in the short firing window you get.
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Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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8213
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:59:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:People don't realise how ****** you are if you don't kill them in the short firing window you get.
If you are at medium range, and you have to switch to your sidearm before a seize up, you're still f*cked, because the other guy(if he's using an AR) has plenty of bullets he can still fire and not take anything into consideration |
Aisha Ctarl
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:00:00 -
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SCR Veteran here - SCR LVL V, Prof LVL V, Reload LVL III, Optimization LVL II, Ammo LVL II.
Pretty much all you said is spot on. Most of my kills come from idiots who either stand still, run head on at me, or idiot snipers who think they'll get their shot off first within MY range.
The hatemail fuels me to continue to melt those who don't have the brainpower to get over the SCR's learning curve. It feels so good to melt a proto suit as they desperately spray their Duvolle in your general direction.
Also I believe Wolfman is the only CCP employee that is an Amarrian so to speak. I believe he posted somewhere that he is an Amarr lover through and through, but I'd have to search the forums to link it.
Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1988
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:30:00 -
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The people you destroy in under a second because they aren't playing safe wouldn't happen to be everyone asking for longer TTK, would they?
I think this proves that increasing "TTK" will only harm ScR users. You guys obviously have some semblance of skill in the weapon and you're arguing you need the opponent to make a mistake for you to kill them easily.
So is it not true that raising the TTK simply gives people who do make the mistake of running out into the open or standing still in the middle of the battlefield a chance to get away from a kill that you stumbled upon?
Don't get me wrong, I understand where people are combing from when they say they die too quickly. But all this general bull kitten about raising TTK is going to give CCP the wrong impression and they'll end up raising eHP or something like that with no consideration for the consequences of people like these guys who use a weapon that will suffer immensely from increased TTK.
Please, all of you who are so adamant about "raising TTK" or "extending TTK", make up your minds about what you specifically want, because simply asking for TTK to go up is not bloody good enough.
"When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
373
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:40:00 -
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8213 wrote:It came, it shot up, explode in beauty (1.7 range buff) and eventually it turns to ash and falls back down to Caldari Prime (YES I KNOW ITS AN AMARR WEAPON! BUT I WANT TO USE CALDARI PRIME BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO!) in the form of a nerf to end it once and for all.
From what I've read, I get the feeling that CCP Wolfman like the SCR. A lot was put into the thought of this gun. Its unique to an extent. Its not the hardest thing in the world to master, but it takes time to learn. The Basic SCR is good enough to use on its own.
I played with 0uter.Heaven's Eldest Dragon last night, and we decided to to dual SCR in a Skirmish. We r*ped face. And we also got r*ped by an ASCR guy on the other side too (the cheater SCR). The top players of that match were using the SCR, and the gap in scores showed that it was more than just the gun that was doing the work.
I get messaged all the time from noobs who call me hacker because I dropped them in 3-4 shots, less than .2 seconds. Even I was a little bit ignorant to the SCR when it was owning me (my fault for using Caldari) but then I used it for myself. Its not a pick up and go weapon.
But I'm taking this information to the grave. 99% of my SCR kills comes against from ignorant players. Some Prototype OP who thinks he doesn't have the right to die, and comes running full blaze with his AR in the wide open. Or some Starter noob that comes straight on.
The ultimate SCR balance is the fact that you can't take on 3 people at once. The TTK is short, but on the user's side it's long, because waiting for charges, semi auto fire, and the possibility of an over heat seize up makes that gun balanced. Just because someone makes it look easy, doesn't mean it is.
Plus, the darn PG it uses really makes you realize you can't just pile on the Damage Mods and Armor. I don't have the gun past level 3. I have level 3 reload, and nothing more skilled into it, proficiency 0.
All very true. It takes some skill but you don't have to be as good as Aisha clan clan over there to use it, I'm living proof of that. Also not quite the gentlemans weapon like the LR, but nicely balanced in that there are very clear drawbacks to its power... Oops..
I mean, yes, keep spreading the truth about it not being OP compared to the AR, lol. and I was never here...
Templar'd for her pleasure
Amarr victor!
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8213
The Neutral Zone
678
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:47:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:The people you destroy in under a second because they aren't playing safe wouldn't happen to be everyone asking for longer TTK, would they?
I think this proves that increasing "TTK" will only harm ScR users. You guys obviously have some semblance of skill in the weapon and you're arguing you need the opponent to make a mistake for you to kill them easily.
So is it not true that raising the TTK simply gives people who do make the mistake of running out into the open or standing still in the middle of the battlefield a chance to get away from a kill that you stumbled upon?
Don't get me wrong, I understand where people are combing from when they say they die too quickly. But all this general bull kitten about raising TTK is going to give CCP the wrong impression and they'll end up raising eHP or something like that with no consideration for the consequences of people like these guys who use a weapon that will suffer immensely from increased TTK.
Please, all of you who are so adamant about "raising TTK" or "extending TTK", make up your minds about what you specifically want, because simply asking for TTK to go up is not bloody good enough.
FPS Player Logic: Something only needs a nerf when it directly affects me. If I'm not playing against noobs with the most powerful setup in the game, I'm not happy. Its not fair, my deaths shouldn't count simply because they shouldn't...
*ahem* https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1483419#post1483419 |
Aisha Ctarl
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1708
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:50:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:8213 wrote:It came, it shot up, explode in beauty (1.7 range buff) and eventually it turns to ash and falls back down to Caldari Prime (YES I KNOW ITS AN AMARR WEAPON! BUT I WANT TO USE CALDARI PRIME BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO!) in the form of a nerf to end it once and for all.
From what I've read, I get the feeling that CCP Wolfman like the SCR. A lot was put into the thought of this gun. Its unique to an extent. Its not the hardest thing in the world to master, but it takes time to learn. The Basic SCR is good enough to use on its own.
I played with 0uter.Heaven's Eldest Dragon last night, and we decided to to dual SCR in a Skirmish. We r*ped face. And we also got r*ped by an ASCR guy on the other side too (the cheater SCR). The top players of that match were using the SCR, and the gap in scores showed that it was more than just the gun that was doing the work.
I get messaged all the time from noobs who call me hacker because I dropped them in 3-4 shots, less than .2 seconds. Even I was a little bit ignorant to the SCR when it was owning me (my fault for using Caldari) but then I used it for myself. Its not a pick up and go weapon.
But I'm taking this information to the grave. 99% of my SCR kills comes against from ignorant players. Some Prototype OP who thinks he doesn't have the right to die, and comes running full blaze with his AR in the wide open. Or some Starter noob that comes straight on.
The ultimate SCR balance is the fact that you can't take on 3 people at once. The TTK is short, but on the user's side it's long, because waiting for charges, semi auto fire, and the possibility of an over heat seize up makes that gun balanced. Just because someone makes it look easy, doesn't mean it is.
Plus, the darn PG it uses really makes you realize you can't just pile on the Damage Mods and Armor. I don't have the gun past level 3. I have level 3 reload, and nothing more skilled into it, proficiency 0. All very true. It takes some skill but you don't have to be as good as Aisha clan clan over there to use it, I'm living proof of that. Also not quite the gentlemans weapon like the LR, but nicely balanced in that there are very clear drawbacks to its power... Oops.. I mean, yes, keep spreading the truth about it not being OP compared to the AR, lol. and I was never here...
SOMEONE WHO GOT THE OUTLAW STAR REFERENCE SQUEE!
Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
374
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:28:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:All very true. It takes some skill but you don't have to be as good as Aisha clan clan over there to use it, I'm living proof of that. Also not quite the gentlemans weapon like the LR, but nicely balanced in that there are very clear drawbacks to its power... Oops.. I mean, yes, keep spreading the truth about it not being OP compared to the AR, lol. and I was never here... SOMEONE WHO GOT THE OUTLAW STAR REFERENCE SQUEE!
Good show, plus, honestly, who doesn't like cat girls? I'd be a little surprised if I'm the first to catch the reference, tho. Also, I play FW W/true and aero on occasion, I believe I was in a squad with you the day you joined PIE and made a reference to your voice being a little deeper than I remember from the show but you may have missed it b/c you dropped this crazy OP EvE orbital on Charlie that was more than a little distracting... I know I just sat there for a second thinking Holy f** that was sick!
Templar'd for her pleasure
Amarr victor!
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
272
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:04:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:People don't realise how ****** you are if you don't kill them in the short firing window you get.
This is true of all kinds of weapons. I don't kill you with my shotgun in one shot then I die because ROF is low. If the forge gun doesn't kill in one shot...well you're switching weapons if the guy is close you at all. Nova knives...well those don't even kill at all so no hope there.
ScR is right at the top in 1v1, maybe even the best weapon in the game. It starts to lose effectiveness as one faces a group but still is one of the most versatile weapons in the game. |
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