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GM Grave Game Masters C C P Alliance 340	Posted - 2013.11.12 16:39:00 - [1] - Quote In order to address some concerns within the community regarding DUST characters and their limited ability to manage corporations when compared to EVE characters, we have updated our evelopedia articles to reflect the current mechanics for corporate shares and voting. Issues The specific mechanics regarding corporation shares and voting for DUST characters were not published via persistent wiki or blog, and although we did convey information on some of these corporate mechanics during the beta period, this information did not persist onto the new forums, nor was it readily available in game. This inevitably lead to incidents whereby DUST CEO's could find themselves in a position where they are unable to take part in votes for their corporation, to the point where they may even lose their corp via vote when a shareholder decided to replace them. Policies Under normal circumstances CCP customer support are unable to intervene in corporate power struggles and other trust/scam related game mechanics, as we have found that it is the best interests of both our players and CCP that we let our players decide the outcome of every event within normal game mechanics. However in this instance we have determined that DUST players were placed at a considerable disadvantage by being unable to fully access corporate management tools while also lacking the information on these complex game mechanics. To this end we have determined that the best course of action is to publish these mechanics on our wiki along with this forum announcement in order to educate players as to the game mechanics involved so that they may protect themselves accordingly. For issues that occurred before this announcement, we are also willing to review player reports on a case by case basis for those who have been subject to involuntary corporate takeovers or other related issues, and where possible customer support will attempt to assist players with regaining access to their corporations and managing issues with shares. This issue was not considered to be an exploit and as such while we may be forced to intervene in a number of cases we do not plan to take punitive action against those who follow GM instruction. Furthermore we can only offer limited assistance for issues regarding shares and we will be unable to assist with issues arising from the corp theft of ISK/assets by individuals who were granted access via normal game play that did not involve the abuse of shares. To contact customer support simply click here. Wikis! Below we have added some warnings to existing evelopedia articles in order to help clarify the mechanics involved. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Player_Corporation "'Warning: DUST Character Role Limitations At this time DUST characters are limited in their ability to manage corporate functions. As such in order to access full corporate functionality it may be required to utilise an EVE character in a director or CEO role. See Shares & Votes for more information." https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares "Warning: 'DUST Character Share Limitations At this time DUST characters are unable to participate in share management or the voting system nor can they assign or be assigned shares. Therefore in order to protect corporations created by a DUST character all corporate shares will be assigned to the DUST character by default, should the CEO title be transferred between DUST characters then the shares will also be transferred. However should an EVE character be placed in the CEO position the shares formerly owned by the DUST CEO will be placed into the corporate wallet, at which point that can be or accessed by those with the roles to do so. It should also be noted that a DUST character taking over a corporation from an EVE character will no longer have corp shares automatically assigned to them and may be vulnerable to having directors accessing unassigned corporate shares. See [[Votes]] for more information}" https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Votes "Warning: 'DUST Character Voting Limitations At this time DUST characters are limited in their ability to manage corporate functions. As such in order to access full corporate functionality it may be required to utilise an EVE character in a director or CEO role. Therefore it is important to consider that a DUST character assigned to be CEO of a corporation where shares have been issued to EVE characters cannot participate in voting, should EVE shareholders propose a vote. See Shares for more information. Lead GM Grave \| Project Lead \| CCP Customer Relations \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Sentient Archon 1256	Posted - 2013.11.12 16:45:00 - [2] - Quote Finally a step in the right direction. Now lets see what 10 things you mess up doing this! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Aqua-Regia 553	Posted - 2013.11.12 16:46:00 - [3] - Quote not a big step. at less it something. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2215	Posted - 2013.11.12 16:54:00 - [4] - Quote I hope this expansion of knowledge leads to more steps is Dust/Eve officer parity down the line. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 835	Posted - 2013.11.12 17:09:00 - [5] - Quote Looking forward to future changes :) DUSTBoard - Mercenary sheets DUSTSearch - DUST Forum mirror

Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 761	Posted - 2013.11.12 17:39:00 - [6] - Quote So CCP is going to intervene in lawful use of this that happened prior to this announcement, but not intervene in future abuses, simply because this post exists? I mean, a lot of people are not avid forum readers. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Sentient Archon 1259	Posted - 2013.11.12 17:58:00 - [7] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So CCP is going to intervene in lawful use of this that happened prior to this announcement, but not intervene in future abuses, simply because this post exists? I mean, a lot of people are not avid forum readers. They prolly should! You cant tell your gamers to HTFU when you have cut their legs beneath them and expect them to come back to play the game. That may work in the Eve world where the game is actually good. Not in Dust im sorry! CCP needs to kick out the HTFU mentality when it comes to Dust and start babying the masses. Once the game gets stabilized and better then they can start HTFUing or "Welcome to New Eden"ing! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2216	Posted - 2013.11.12 18:12:00 - [8] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So CCP is going to intervene in lawful use of this that happened prior to this announcement, but not intervene in future abuses, simply because this post exists? I mean, a lot of people are not avid forum readers. I agree that this post can't be the only avenue to share this information or to explain it. Heck some very prominent Dust corps have had these mechanics explained poorly by some Eve folks and as a result have made some silly and costly decisions to mitigate risks without actually even mitigating it. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 576	Posted - 2013.11.12 18:58:00 - [9] - Quote You're welcome Also you should still be very cautious with giving over the CEO position to an untrusted Eve player ... since CEO can make a vote to create new shares. What happens then I'm not sure, since you hold all the shares there will be no votes cast so presumably no new shares can be created. Dev confirmation on this scenario could be helpful to many. Thanks.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1394	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:32:00 - [10] - Quote Can't wait to stage hostile takeovers. Sadly, I will have to make alts then have those alts make a corp. Then join with my main, start a vote and feel important as my "members"(alts) vote me into the CEO position.

Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 365	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:41:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So CCP is going to intervene in lawful use of this that happened prior to this announcement, but not intervene in future abuses, simply because this post exists? I mean, a lot of people are not avid forum readers. This is like saying "Hey kids, go out and play." but when some stranger walks up to them to offer them candy you get enraged and beat them. But you never taught them not to talk to strangers. Not everyone came from eve. Not everyone knows how ridiculously harsh that universe is. So being scammed from a game they're not even familiar with and do not even play but have to abide by the rules just to obtain partial mechanics from is rather harsh. They should have made a dev blog of this tbh. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 3346	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:44:00 - [12] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: You're welcome Also you should still be very cautious with giving over the CEO position to an untrusted Eve player ... since CEO can make a vote to create new shares. What happens then I'm not sure, since you hold all the shares there will be no votes cast so presumably no new shares can be created. Dev confirmation on this scenario could be helpful to many. Thanks. In this case, the vote would pass and the new shares would be created that could then be assigned to anyone by an EVE Director or CEO. This is to prevent cases where the only shareholder disappears and thus no votes can ever pass. In this instance (EVE CEO that doesn't have any shares) I would assign the shares to another EVE Character (doesn't have to be in the same corporation) and if a vote is called, have them vote against adding additional shares. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

Croned B o u n d l e s s. 513	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:09:00 - [13] - Quote Funny how there has never been any mention of plans to add these features to Dust anywhere in the near future. I outright question CCP's priorities when it comes to the development backlog. Corporation management is as much of a core game mechanic to Dust as hit detection. That is, unless CCP actually thinks that the shooter aspect is what differentiates Dust from other shooters and not the whole corporate aspect. Exploiting Dust
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 576	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:40:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: In this case, the vote would pass and the new shares would be created that could then be assigned to anyone by an EVE Director or CEO. This is to prevent cases where the only shareholder disappears and thus no votes can ever pass. In this instance (EVE CEO that doesn't have any shares) I would assign the shares to another EVE Character (doesn't have to be in the same corporation) and if a vote is called, have them vote against adding additional shares. Hmm ... yeah so it's still a high risk to temporarily give CEO to an untrusted Eve pilot ... not a problem for our corp since CEO is held by the Eve account of someone who also plays DUST. But still a big issue for those DUST only corps that want to be involved at alliance levels ... we really should be promoting interplay between Eve and DUST and finding ways for them to interact at all levels, be it in battles, commerce or diplomacy ... You guys really need to work on even the simplest form of Alliance mechanics in the DUST client ... allowing a CEO to send an application to join an Alliance is just about all that is needed to negate this need to hand CEO over to untrusted Eve players. This really should be bumped up the roadmap guys o7
Soraya Xel Violent Intervention Top Men. 761	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:56:00 - [15] - Quote Would CCP Nullarbor like to redact his statements that a DUST alliance UI isn't of utmost importance yet? Seeing that CCP has now agreed to break the sandbox and reverse legal player actions in compensation for their failure to provide the proper MMO-side tools while wasting time with meaningless gun balance work. Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC www.dust-gents.com Recruiting corporations and players now!
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2212	Posted - 2013.11.12 23:40:00 - [16] - Quote I'm happy to see that CCP is listening, though they are failing short on the request submitted to have warnings implemented in game. This is a step in the right direction, but there are some warning messages in game that could be implemented as minimal development cost to also warn players. *The time of your legacy is here. Will you rise?* Join Legacy Rising
Karl Koekwaus 198	Posted - 2013.11.13 11:25:00 - [17] - Quote This is the mess you get when half arsing features, either go all the way and give people the same options, or don't do it at all, everything else leads to crap like this. Like you said "Play on one Universe under the same ruleset" This shouldn't have happened in the first place. Micheal Jackson died for my sins
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 128	Posted - 2013.11.13 16:37:00 - [18] - Quote Sigh. So the next best thing to useless is this...
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1712	Posted - 2013.11.13 16:57:00 - [19] - Quote Why not just give dust bunnies the ability to use shares? CEO of The Corporate Raiders, We're still recruiting... Level 1 Forum Warrior
DaNizzle4shizle THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES 47	Posted - 2013.11.13 17:30:00 - [20] - Quote everything here is great. but only 1 thing is holding corps back. if you are a dust Ceo, you cannot apply to alliances. all we are asking is that you add an alliance tab in the corp neocom so we can apply to alliances without having to risk an eve player taking over our corp. please take this into consideration. One cannot begin a journey without knowing his sources. Sources meaning friends, equipment and an excellent mind set.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5062	Posted - 2013.11.13 17:56:00 - [21] - Quote Guys, cut CCP some slack over here. They made a mistake that led to several instances that could have been prevented had they posted all the details of corp management in the wiki and here in the forums as they should have in the first place. It stands to reason that CCP might have to retroactively fix a few things that occurred before this latest announcement. They did state that any future incidents from this point on will NOT see any intervention from CCP. Even the previous incidents that are being retroactively checked will NOT include refunding of ISK or assets. I understand how a lot of you feel about this, especially since CCP is interfering with the sandbox. But just remember that this is a one-off thing and doesn't usually happen unless CCP knows that they screwed up royally. As Sentient Archon pointed out, it is extremely difficult to seriously tell your fellow players as a Dev that they should harden the **** up when clearly the Dev was at fault for making those players lose their legs. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 370	Posted - 2013.11.13 17:56:00 - [22] - Quote Croned wrote: Funny how there has never been any mention of plans to add these features to Dust anywhere in the near future. I outright question CCP's priorities when it comes to the development backlog. Corporation management is as much of a core game mechanic to Dust as hit detection. That is, unless CCP actually thinks that the shooter aspect is what differentiates Dust from other shooters and not the whole corporate aspect. They mentioned in some of those videos that these things are all on the back burner. They are tabled for another day. They are more interested in putting in more OP weapons and decreasing TTK time and keeping lagg in the game than actually giving people what they want to see. Isn't that right CCP? Your words may say otherwise but your actions are so... so obvious. With 1.6 I've lost all my faith in your ability to deliver an entertaining and fun game. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Xyphilya Third Rock From The Sun 1	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:38:00 - [23] - Quote Who cares about this when CCP cant even fix Comms, invisible walls, people, turrets and swarms. FIX BASIC RENDERING!!! CCP you've now made me hate all Icelantics. Thanks a lot Jerks. Once a Viking ALWAYS a Viking. Happy to know CCP
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 660	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:30:00 - [24] - Quote For a gameing universe where corporations are all powerful and the bedrock of the sandbox, the fact that we as a community have had to fight and pester for every bit of corp UI we've had so for is simply not on really. Corp mail, notifications, Mark all Read, Delete All, roles, titles, Chat admin, give money, corp wallets, taxation, wallet divisions, player trading.... All of these should've been the minimum we had from day one. This share issue is something that was going to happen at some point because it seems that properly working corp UI is at the very bottom of the to do list. I hope that the silver lining in all this is that it gets bumped up much that list now that it's come to the attention of the larger community. But us corp ceo's and alliance leaders have been banging the drum on this issue from the closed beta and onwards. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Pryke Bastion GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 138	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:43:00 - [25] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: For a gameing universe where corporations are all powerful and the bedrock of the sandbox, the fact that we as a community have had to fight and pester for every bit of corp UI we've had so for is simply not on really. Corp mail, notifications, Mark all Read, Delete All, roles, titles, Chat admin, give money, corp wallets, taxation, wallet divisions, player trading.... All of these should've been the minimum we had from day one. This share issue is something that was going to happen at some point because it seems that properly working corp UI is at the very bottom of the to do list. I hope that the silver lining in all this is that it gets bumped up much that list now that it's come to the attention of the larger community. But us corp ceo's and alliance leaders have been banging the drum on this issue from the closed beta and onwards. Holy crap. HEAR HEAR! +1 Pryke out. Chamberlain of GunFall Mobilization
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 237	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:52:00 - [26] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: For a gameing universe where corporations are all powerful and the bedrock of the sandbox, the fact that we as a community have had to fight and pester for every bit of corp UI we've had so for is simply not on really. Corp mail, notifications, Mark all Read, Delete All, roles, titles, Chat admin, give money, corp wallets, taxation, wallet divisions, player trading.... All of these should've been the minimum we had from day one. This share issue is something that was going to happen at some point because it seems that properly working corp UI is at the very bottom of the to do list. I hope that the silver lining in all this is that it gets bumped up much that list now that it's come to the attention of the larger community. But us corp ceo's and alliance leaders have been banging the drum on this issue from the closed beta and onwards. Chat admin, titles, wallet divisions, corp hangers +1 Yes, The majority of FPS players could care less about a lot of these things. But, someday, when there is a profitable reason for eve player's to turn their eyes toward dust. Eve players will sink their fingers into everything Dust is and exploit every access point it allows. In it's current state, we are lambs to the slaughter. Military Director, Dust University "I am a product of my own perception, I only exist because I allow myself to."
Pryke Bastion GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 138	Posted - 2013.11.14 00:00:00 - [27] - Quote From my own perspective, I'm noticing a lot of players have finally come to the realization this pitfall exists. This is an issue that has been known by the playerbase that actively participates in corporate mechanics for a long time. We were prudent, did not expose ourselves, and didn't get corp ganked... yet. Repairing the damage done by corporate spies "breaks the sandbox" as it was said. Would it be fair for me to come cry on the forum because I didn't know that a superior strategy used by another team wiped me out of PC and now I'm out 60 million isk? Would a Dev refund my isk? "Poor bunny, he didn't know any better." You die, you learn. Hell that should be Dust's slogan lol. EvE community is going to lose it when they hear of this babying. I do agree that corp UI programming definitely needs to be first priority. The Dust-EvE link is what makes this game unique, DEVELOP it. Claiming that this game is free-to-play but requiring me to subscribe to a monthly paid game to safely manage my corporation is asinine. TL/DR : HTFU, stop babying ppl who're n00bs to corp management. And Devs get to work on Dust corp UI. I'm collecting tax from EvE pilots that I can't use unless I promote a EvE director who can take my corp away @.@ Pryke out. Chamberlain of GunFall Mobilization
RAider Vherikor Holy Dust Divers 35	Posted - 2013.11.14 04:16:00 - [28] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So CCP is going to intervene in lawful use of this that happened prior to this announcement, but not intervene in future abuses, simply because this post exists? I mean, a lot of people are not avid forum readers. This is like saying "Hey kids, go out and play." but when some stranger walks up to them to offer them candy you get enraged and beat them. But you never taught them not to talk to strangers. Not everyone came from eve. Not everyone knows how ridiculously harsh that universe is. So being scammed from a game they're not even familiar with and do not even play but have to abide by the rules just to obtain partial mechanics from is rather harsh. They should have made a dev blog of this tbh. I agree at least a forum or wiki post should have been put up... and it was... on the EVE forums. (Which should have the DUST forums merged into the EVE forums). Saying not everyone came from EVE so give them a break is ludicrous. Not my problem. I didn't come from EVE. I came from DUST... I just did the reading a lot better than the other person. When playing a game... always read the instructions, then go find the rest of the information out there. Internet is a great choice. And spare me the - "I don't have a computer" statements... if players have enough money for a PS3 and not a computer, they should really take a look at their personal lives and determine what is really important.
RAider Vherikor Holy Dust Divers 35	Posted - 2013.11.14 04:25:00 - [29] - Quote GM Grave wrote: In order to address some concerns within the community regarding DUST characters and their limited ability to manage corporations when compared to EVE characters, we have updated our evelopedia articles to reflect the current mechanics for corporate shares and voting. Issues The specific mechanics regarding corporation shares and voting for DUST characters were not published via persistent wiki or blog, and although we did convey information on some of these corporate mechanics during the beta period, this information did not persist onto the new forums, nor was it readily available in game. This inevitably lead to incidents whereby DUST CEO's could find themselves in a position where they are unable to take part in votes for their corporation, to the point where they may even lose their corp via vote when a shareholder decided to replace them. Policies Under normal circumstances CCP customer support are unable to intervene in corporate power struggles and other trust/scam related game mechanics, as we have found that it is the best interests of both our players and CCP that we let our players decide the outcome of every event within normal game mechanics. However in this instance we have determined that DUST players were placed at a considerable disadvantage by being unable to fully access corporate management tools while also lacking the information on these complex game mechanics. To this end we have determined that the best course of action is to publish these mechanics on our wiki along with this forum announcement in order to educate players as to the game mechanics involved so that they may protect themselves accordingly. So now that this has been posted and the warnings are plain for everyone to see can we get back to our regularly scheduled destruction of corps the old fashioned way without fear of GM interference and steal the shares as before? Or are we still not able to steal shares from corps lead by DUST514 CEOs?
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 289	Posted - 2013.11.14 14:55:00 - [30] - Quote RAider Vherikor wrote: GM Grave wrote: In order to address some concerns within the community regarding DUST characters and their limited ability to manage corporations when compared to EVE characters, we have updated our evelopedia articles to reflect the current mechanics for corporate shares and voting. Issues The specific mechanics regarding corporation shares and voting for DUST characters were not published via persistent wiki or blog, and although we did convey information on some of these corporate mechanics during the beta period, this information did not persist onto the new forums, nor was it readily available in game. This inevitably lead to incidents whereby DUST CEO's could find themselves in a position where they are unable to take part in votes for their corporation, to the point where they may even lose their corp via vote when a shareholder decided to replace them. Policies Under normal circumstances CCP customer support are unable to intervene in corporate power struggles and other trust/scam related game mechanics, as we have found that it is the best interests of both our players and CCP that we let our players decide the outcome of every event within normal game mechanics. However in this instance we have determined that DUST players were placed at a considerable disadvantage by being unable to fully access corporate management tools while also lacking the information on these complex game mechanics. To this end we have determined that the best course of action is to publish these mechanics on our wiki along with this forum announcement in order to educate players as to the game mechanics involved so that they may protect themselves accordingly. So now that this has been posted and the warnings are plain for everyone to see can we get back to our regularly scheduled destruction of corps the old fashioned way without fear of GM interference and steal the shares as before? Or are we still not able to steal shares from corps lead by DUST514 CEOs? Should be able to. I for one think a couple grief-a-thons will be some wake up moments for the portion of the player base that still sees dust as a f2p game to pass the time while waiting on the next big blockbuster game...there's a lot more to it than that if you peel back the curtain. As the Devs at EVE Vegas pointed out a certain amount of griefing is a good thing.

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1724	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:36:00 - [31] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: For a gameing universe where corporations are all powerful and the bedrock of the sandbox, the fact that we as a community have had to fight and pester for every bit of corp UI we've had so for is simply not on really. Corp mail, notifications, Mark all Read, Delete All, roles, titles, Chat admin, give money, corp wallets, taxation, wallet divisions, player trading.... All of these should've been the minimum we had from day one. This share issue is something that was going to happen at some point because it seems that properly working corp UI is at the very bottom of the to do list. I hope that the silver lining in all this is that it gets bumped up much that list now that it's come to the attention of the larger community. But us corp ceo's and alliance leaders have been banging the drum on this issue from the closed beta and onwards. Chat admin, titles, wallet divisions, corp hangers +1 Yes, The majority of FPS players could care less about a lot of these things. But, someday, when there is a profitable reason for eve player's to turn their eyes toward dust. Eve players will sink their fingers into everything Dust is and exploit every access point it allows. In it's current state, we are lambs to the slaughter. Hangars oh that's ******* great... What can I do with those as a dust bunny? You should know CCP isn't a miracle worker hell we don't have 3 heavies 2 lights, pilot suits, 2 racial heavy weapons, racial vehicles... but no... some corp thing over bullets hitting in a shooter... HD has been fixed AA has been fixed PC lag is less than in 1.0 This isn't to say CCP shouldn't give dust bunnies the abilities to use shares... Delete All/Mark all as read I belive were stated to be coming soon Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Croned Dem Durrty Boyz 514	Posted - 2013.11.14 22:27:00 - [32] - Quote DaNizzle4shizle wrote: everything here is great. but only 1 thing is holding corps back. if you are a dust Ceo, you cannot apply to alliances. all we are asking is that you add an alliance tab in the corp neocom so we can apply to alliances without having to risk an eve player taking over our corp. please take this into consideration. Apparently you haven't figured out yet that you can create a free trial account with which to apply to an alliance. If you give a random EVE player the CEO position then you deserve to be robbed. Exploiting Dust
mister brix Legions of Infinite Dominion 0	Posted - 2013.11.15 00:20:00 - [33] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So CCP is going to intervene in lawful use of this that happened prior to this announcement, but not intervene in future abuses, simply because this post exists? I mean, a lot of people are not avid forum readers. This is like saying "Hey kids, go out and play." but when some stranger walks up to them to offer them candy you get enraged and beat them. But you never taught them not to talk to strangers. Not everyone came from eve. Not everyone knows how ridiculously harsh that universe is. So being scammed from a game they're not even familiar with and do not even play but have to abide by the rules just to obtain partial mechanics from is rather harsh. They should have made a dev blog of this tbh. Could not agree with you more and well said.
joe29140 Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.11.15 04:25:00 - [34] - Quote This is exactly why I refuse to join a corp and I play for the default corp given to players when they first start the game. I mean, really taxes, confusing red tape, corporate backstabbing, and politics become too much. Perhaps it is great for eve, but Dust is a shooter game. Perhaps if people want to become so involved in such things they should run for office in real life. Gamers/Shooters, just want to capture objectives and kill hostiles. This is where Dust fails and looses its player base. I have over a million wp, 10's of millions of isk, and 15K confirmed kills. I play to be social w/ my friends and hope that the game continues, I dislike being questioned about my corp status by squad members who are new in meeting me, but its ok. I play for fun my way w/ my friends and I leave taxes, red tape, and corp decisions for those who want to be politicians. I'll just shoot red dots, cap objectives, and put all isk gained into my own pocket. If my friends need it i'll give it, but i'll not be forced to pay for someone else's suits, ships, or conquests.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 0	Posted - 2013.11.16 07:39:00 - [35] - Quote Pryke Bastion wrote: From my own perspective, I'm noticing a lot of players have finally come to the realization this pitfall exists. This is an issue that has been known by the playerbase that actively participates in corporate mechanics for a long time. We were prudent, did not expose ourselves, and didn't get corp ganked... yet. Repairing the damage done by corporate spies "breaks the sandbox" as it was said. Would it be fair for me to come cry on the forum because I didn't know that a superior strategy used by another team wiped me out of PC and now I'm out 60 million isk? Would a Dev refund my isk? "Poor bunny, he didn't know any better." You die, you learn. Hell that should be Dust's slogan lol. EvE community is going to lose it when they hear of this babying. I do agree that corp UI programming definitely needs to be first priority. The Dust-EvE link is what makes this game unique, DEVELOP it. Claiming that this game is free-to-play but requiring me to subscribe to a monthly paid game to safely manage my corporation is asinine. TL/DR : HTFU, stop babying ppl who're n00bs to corp management. And Devs get to work on Dust corp UI. I'm collecting tax from EvE pilots that I can't use unless I promote a EvE director who can take my corp away @.@ You are only assuming it was due to spying and infiltration, instead of broken game mechanics that forces dust players to depond on eve. Any eve director can steal any dust corp, and dust has no defense. If you want to use the analogy of a pc battle, if every time i forced you to fight one that resulted in you automatically forfeiting the cash and clones because i found something in the code you would scream to the devs from here to high heaven.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1749	Posted - 2013.11.16 07:55:00 - [36] - Quote joe29140 wrote: This is exactly why I refuse to join a corp and I play for the default corp given to players when they first start the game. I mean, really taxes, confusing red tape, corporate backstabbing, and politics become too much and take out all the fun for most casual gamers. This is what is in part why the player base has declined. Perhaps it is great for eve, but Dust is a shooter game. Perhaps if people want to become so involved in such things they should run for office in real life and worry about taxes and politics in their own backyard. Gamers/Shooters, just want to capture objectives and kill hostiles. This is where Dust fails and loses its player base. I have over a million wp, 10's of millions of isk, and 15K confirmed kills. I play to be social w/ my friends and hope that the game continues, I like the large skill trees, specialization, friends, and battles when they work correctly. I dislike being questioned about my corp status by squad members who are new in meeting me, but its ok. I play for fun my way w/ my friends and I leave taxes, red tape, and corp decisions for those who want to be politicians. I'll just shoot red dots, cap objectives, and put all isk gained into my own pocket. If my friends need it i'll give it, but i'll not be forced into politics, paying for someone else's suits, ships, or conquests. Also, I write this next question with tongue and cheek in mind, but really when did mercenaries become involved in paying taxes for protection to fight for some ego maniacs corp and what mercenaries care about politics? This merc says bs to both. Pay me to fight, and I'll choose if I want to accept the contract. You could make a corp for you and your friends... don't have to do anything special and it gives a private chat for just you guys... Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
joe29140 Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.11.16 18:03:00 - [37] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: You could make a corp for you and your friends... don't have to do anything special and it gives a private chat for just you guys... Also to the question, not all of us want to be mercs, some fancy being something more... Why would I burn precious sp's or spend time creating an alt that I would rarely play just to carry a corp tag and have a "corp chat"? All that we need is what we have a private chat channel. And what's so great about a corp that would strike my fancy and make me "something more"? It's the things I don't have by not belonging to a corp that make things less complicated, less stressful, and better. I'm not forced to play w/ corp mates when I don't want to, I don't have to pay taxes, I don't have to listen to corp bickering, I can play in any PC battle I get picked up for them w/o worriyng about alliances or factions, and the same goes for contract warfare. So if I'm supposed to fancy "being something more" like most of the other sheep by contributing in the purchase of everyone else's suits, weapons, mods, ships, and clones i'll pass. I think by saying "something more" you mean being a fictional politician and a slave to a corp. I'd rather be a merc who thinks on his own and does more.
joe29140 Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:10:00 - [38] - Quote joe29140 wrote: [quote=Killar-12] You could make a corp for you and your friends... don't have to do anything special and it gives a private chat for just you guys... Also to the question, not all of us want to be mercs, some fancy being something more... Why would I burn precious sp's or spend time creating an alt that I would rarely play just to carry a corp tag and have a "corp chat"? All that we need is what we have a private chat channel. I'd be happy to explain to you how to create a private chat channel w/o being in a corp. Just press select, tab down to create/join channel, name your channel, set a password, invite your friends and walla you're done. And what's so great about a corp that would strike my fancy and make me "something more"? It's the things I don't have by not belonging to a corp that make things less complicated, less stressful, and better. I'm not forced to play w/ corp mates that I don't like, I don't have to pay taxes, I don't have to listen to corp bickering, I can play in any PC battle I get picked up for them w/o worriyng about alliances or factions, and the same goes for contract warfare. So if I'm supposed to fancy "being something more" like most of the other sheep by contributing taxes to pay for protection to squad w/ others (who often don't respond), contributing to the purchase of everyone else's suits, weapons, mods, ships, and clones i'll pass. I think by saying "something more" you mean being something more as sheep; politicians and slaves to a corp. I'd rather be a merc who thinks on his own and does more. Also, I didn't expect a reply to my question. Hence the words "tongue and cheek"
Pryke Bastion GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 149	Posted - 2013.11.21 22:19:00 - [39] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Pryke Bastion wrote: From my own perspective, I'm noticing a lot of players have finally come to the realization this pitfall exists. This is an issue that has been known by the playerbase that actively participates in corporate mechanics for a long time. We were prudent, did not expose ourselves, and didn't get corp ganked... yet. Repairing the damage done by corporate spies "breaks the sandbox" as it was said. Would it be fair for me to come cry on the forum because I didn't know that a superior strategy used by another team wiped me out of PC and now I'm out 60 million isk? Would a Dev refund my isk? "Poor bunny, he didn't know any better." You die, you learn. Hell that should be Dust's slogan lol. EvE community is going to lose it when they hear of this babying. I do agree that corp UI programming definitely needs to be first priority. The Dust-EvE link is what makes this game unique, DEVELOP it. Claiming that this game is free-to-play but requiring me to subscribe to a monthly paid game to safely manage my corporation is asinine. TL/DR : HTFU, stop babying ppl who're n00bs to corp management. And Devs get to work on Dust corp UI. I'm collecting tax from EvE pilots that I can't use unless I promote a EvE director who can take my corp away @.@ You are only assuming it was due to spying and infiltration, instead of broken game mechanics that forces dust players to depend on eve. Any eve director can steal any dust corp, and dust has no defense. If you want to use the analogy of a pc battle, if every time i used an broken game mechanic that forced you to fight one, that resulted in you automatically forfeiting the cash and clones because i found something in the code you would scream to the devs from here to high heaven. Could you imagine the uproar if a Dust player seized entire an Eve corporation and there was nothing EVE could do about it, because CCP deliberately did not code it into EVE, and told no one? CCP forced you to hire a DUST Merc director because you wanted to form an EVE alliance. Now Your entire fleet and all your assets has been seized byt DUST merc. Your members have been kicked. You will do nothing. You do not have a PSN account. You do not own playstation 3. You did not download and play DUST 514. Therefore they are the property of DUST merc. CCP set his up deliberately because shares are too complicated for EVE right now HTFU, yeah right. The would rage at CCP. There would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. Sry about the delay, didn't realize there was a reply. I know for a fact that it was infiltration and the spaiz used legal methods as programmed by the devs. As Free Beers said, Corps were not meant to be introduced to dust but were only instituted after great lobbying by the playerbase. Devs knew there'd be holes and said, "Use at your own risk." This was obvious when we couldn't tax, roles were awkward, etc. Broken game mechanics is an easy cry flag to raise. I could cry that broken game mechanics make MD and Core grenades win matches of consequence instead of good tactics. Alternatively I could walk into that PC match with the knowledge of as many variables that may contribute to the end result of the match. Many glitches have been exposed though matches and devs have not spoon fed districts back to butt-hurt players b/c they say the other team used a glitched LLAV repper or a kill-mode AR. If players use the system to their advantage, we should usually say "good game." "Sux that I lost, but you won't get me like that again." Same should go for corp assets. Nothing stops CEOs from educating themselves, even if CCP doesn't do it. I discovered some time in JUNE that this was a security issue and as such was very careful about who got any sort of EvE power. Coddling those who charge blithely ahead without care or caution imbalances the cause and effect consequences of the sandbox. Any Dust CEO could make a trial account in EvE just to apply to an alliance, or at least vet the ppl he's handing his corp to. Pryke out. Chamberlain of GunFall Mobilization
RAider Vherikor Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:51:00 - [40] - Quote joe29140 wrote: Shooters are made for gamers who just want to game. Corps are too much red tape here that drive people away. I'll continue to play though it's free and hope it gets better. Don't worry, The DUST NPC corps will catch up and get the same 11% NPC corp tax in DUST as well. I look forward to seeing your reaction to forming or joining a corp at that point.

joe29140 Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:58:00 - [41] - Quote RAider Vherikor wrote: joe29140 wrote: Shooters are made for gamers who just want to game. Corps are too much red tape here that drive people away. I'll continue to play though it's free and hope it gets better. Don't worry, The DUST NPC corps will catch up and get the same 11% NPC corp tax in DUST as well. I look forward to seeing your reaction to forming or joining a corp at that point. Actually you're helping me on one of my points, that that the % isk of what dusties make is no where near to the % of isk that Eve players make. My quetions would be where would and how would a dusties 11% tax in an npc corp be used? In any case if the game is still fun for me that far into the future and if they decide to do that, I would then be forced to burn the sp's to make a corps soley for myself, not allowing anyone else in, and I would keep all of my own taxes. I suppose if people are still playing at that point I would have to look at it from the perspective that I'm using 18K in sp's to start a corps for only me. just so over time all of my millions isk gained stays in my own wallet
Jason-Anthony Testa Death Firm. 2	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:36:00 - [42] - Quote the more i read and learn about this game makes me really want to get involved in it and be active the more involved and active i get in this game the more it makes me want to delete it and go play asteroids...... A Little Violence Never Hurt Anyone! Benjamin Ruggiero, also known as "Lefty", "Lefty Guns", and "Lefty Two Guns"
RAider Vherikor Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 39	Posted - 2013.12.01 02:59:00 - [43] - Quote joe29140 wrote: RAider Vherikor wrote: joe29140 wrote: Shooters are made for gamers who just want to game. Corps are too much red tape here that drive people away. I'll continue to play though it's free and hope it gets better. Don't worry, The DUST NPC corps will catch up and get the same 11% NPC corp tax in DUST as well. I look forward to seeing your reaction to forming or joining a corp at that point. Actually you're helping me on one of my points, that that the % isk of what dusties make is no where near to the % of isk that Eve players make. My quetions would be where would and how would a dusties 11% tax in an npc corp be used? In any case if the game is still fun for me that far into the future and if they decide to do that, I would then be forced to burn the sp's to make a corps soley for myself, not allowing anyone else in, and I would keep all of my own taxes. I suppose if people are still playing at that point I would have to look at it from the perspective that I'm using 18K in sp's to start a corps for only me. just so over time all of my millions isk gained stays in my own wallet Actually your response doesnt help you because you are using a percentage which is not relevant to overall value. The amount of ISK an EVE pilot makes is far larger and so is the cost of their ships... which are also bought on a mostly free market economy. The ratio of income to ship costs changes as the class of ship goes up. In effect you would be incorrect because the costs of running a T2 cruiser in EVE vs say standard proto gear in DUST puts the EVE Player in a far more costly position. The tax from an NPC goes towards nothing... its called an ISK sink and it goes back to CCP. Its all the more reason to join a good corp... and get some fun in.
bundie bitches RARE850 0	Posted - 2013.12.10 01:19:00 - [44] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: joe29140 wrote: This is exactly why I refuse to join a corp and I play for the default corp given to players when they first start the game. I mean, really taxes, confusing red tape, corporate backstabbing, and politics become too much and take out all the fun for most casual gamers. This is what is in part why the player base has declined. Perhaps it is great for eve, but Dust is a shooter game. Perhaps if people want to become so involved in such things they should run for office in real life and worry about taxes and politics in their own backyard. Gamers/Shooters, just want to capture objectives and kill hostiles. This is where Dust fails and loses its player base. I have over a million wp, 10's of millions of isk, and 15K confirmed kills. I play to be social w/ my friends and hope that the game continues, I like the large skill trees, specialization, friends, and battles when they work correctly. I dislike being questioned about my corp status by squad members who are new in meeting me, but its ok. I play for fun my way w/ my friends and I leave taxes, red tape, and corp decisions for those who want to be politicians. I'll just shoot red dots, cap objectives, and put all isk gained into my own pocket. If my friends need it i'll give it, but i'll not be forced into politics, paying for someone else's suits, ships, or conquests. Also, I write this next question with tongue and cheek in mind, but really when did mercenaries become involved in paying taxes for protection to fight for some ego maniacs corp and what mercenaries care about politics? This merc says bs to both. Pay me to fight, and I'll choose if I want to accept the contract. You could make a corp for you and your friends... don't have to do anything special and it gives a private chat for just you guys... Also to the question, not all of us want to be mercs, some fancy being something more... my thoughts exactly, i created a corp with a friend of mine for the sole purpose of us to have fun and that way i will know if some of my other friends are on and want to play. as far as the politics we have none we go in we work as a team we get kills and then we put a little bit of our earnings into one wallet that should one of us need the isk to purchase something and we dont have it on us, boom we have our corp. there to help us out. not to mention the small little perks you get when participating in corp. battles. which i am reluctant to say i havent had the honor of doing just yet.
Levithunder Butt Hurt Try Hards Primus Federation 135	Posted - 2013.12.27 20:10:00 - [45] - Quote 1.8 : ability for CEO's of dust corps to view,join and leave eve made alliances . OR better yet make alliances ,manage alliances and all of the above even introduce alliance control skill books...... Maybe I should work for ccp I mean you'll work on hit detection five or six times in a year but can't come out with a simple yet HIGHLY RELEVANT tool? COME ONE. (-í° -£-û -í°) Nerf Me If You Dare.
Mr m4gic XSKvLLX 48	Posted - 2014.01.11 13:25:00 - [46] - Quote none of this makes any sense to me i have a corp, i didn't know it had shares or anything like tht. Will we ever be able to access the different wallets in corporation, i transferred isk in a wallet and now it is stuck i cant seem to shift it back either really annoying. Have you seen my baseball??
Ku Shala Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 761	Posted - 2014.01.16 17:49:00 - [47] - Quote maybe this should be sent to peple automatically when they start or take over a corp Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Apply today! For the State Caldari Loyalist
STOPxPLAYING the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 4	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:54:00 - [48] - Quote Need my character fix and a new respect.For CCp ******* my character.To Whom this may concern?On march 25.Ive gotten about 10mill skill points back out of my Dropsuits command. Now since CC P made a mistake in the sp system. I have to suffer a -1.'207'017 mill in my unallocated skill points and I don't think that's fair. they should not penalize me for their mistake.They should be able to give me my a another dropsuit command respect. Would CCp pls fix my character.And do me/us right? This is bull and alot pepole would agree with me.So I posted a picture of my -1.'207'929 mill skill points.I also dont now how or where to post this in the forums. Im going to post this message everywhere until I get a proper response. Im Also going let every1 see the picture of my all unmedicated skill points on our Facebook page at Fb at "Dust514 14 the third day" Fix My character CCP Or Ban Me!!!! By:STOPxPLAYING
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 882	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:17:00 - [49] - Quote STOPxPLAYING wrote: Need my character fix and a new respect.For CCp ***** my character.To Whom this may concern?On march 25.Ive gotten about 10mill skill points back out of my Dropsuits command. Now since CC P made a mistake in the sp system. I have to suffer a -1.'207'017 mill in my unallocated skill points and I don't think that's fair. they should not penalize me for their mistake.They should be able to give me my a another dropsuit command respect. Would CCp pls fix my character.And do me/us right? This is bull and alot pepole would agree with me.So I posted a picture of my -1.'207'929 mill skill points.I also dont now how or where to post this in the forums. Im going to post this message everywhere until I get a proper response. Im Also going let every1 see the picture of my all unmedicated skill points on our Facebook page at Fb at "Dust514 14 the third day" Fix My character CCP Or Ban Me!!!! By:STOPxPLAYING Can you attempt to clarify your issue, I am having trouble following what you have stated...? Faction Channels for FW Staging** PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari


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