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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:36:00 -
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TrueXer0z wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:For a gameing universe where corporations are all powerful and the bedrock of the sandbox, the fact that we as a community have had to fight and pester for every bit of corp UI we've had so for is simply not on really.
Corp mail, notifications, Mark all Read, Delete All, roles, titles, Chat admin, give money, corp wallets, taxation, wallet divisions, player trading.... All of these should've been the minimum we had from day one.
This share issue is something that was going to happen at some point because it seems that properly working corp UI is at the very bottom of the to do list.
I hope that the silver lining in all this is that it gets bumped up much that list now that it's come to the attention of the larger community. But us corp ceo's and alliance leaders have been banging the drum on this issue from the closed beta and onwards.
Chat admin, titles, wallet divisions, corp hangers +1 Yes, The majority of FPS players could care less about a lot of these things. But, someday, when there is a profitable reason for eve player's to turn their eyes toward dust. Eve players will sink their fingers into everything Dust is and exploit every access point it allows. In it's current state, we are lambs to the slaughter. Hangars oh that's ******* great... What can I do with those as a dust bunny? You should know CCP isn't a miracle worker hell we don't have 3 heavies 2 lights, pilot suits, 2 racial heavy weapons, racial vehicles... but no... some corp thing over bullets hitting in a shooter... HD has been fixed AA has been fixed PC lag is less than in 1.0 This isn't to say CCP shouldn't give dust bunnies the abilities to use shares... Delete All/Mark all as read I belive were stated to be coming soon
Level 1 Forum Warrior
I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
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Croned
Dem Durrty Boyz
514
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:27:00 -
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DaNizzle4shizle wrote:everything here is great. but only 1 thing is holding corps back. if you are a dust Ceo, you cannot apply to alliances. all we are asking is that you add an alliance tab in the corp neocom so we can apply to alliances without having to risk an eve player taking over our corp. please take this into consideration. Apparently you haven't figured out yet that you can create a free trial account with which to apply to an alliance. If you give a random EVE player the CEO position then you deserve to be robbed.
Exploiting Dust
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mister brix
Legions of Infinite Dominion
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:20:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:So CCP is going to intervene in lawful use of this that happened prior to this announcement, but not intervene in future abuses, simply because this post exists? I mean, a lot of people are not avid forum readers. This is like saying "Hey kids, go out and play." but when some stranger walks up to them to offer them candy you get enraged and beat them. But you never taught them not to talk to strangers. Not everyone came from eve. Not everyone knows how ridiculously harsh that universe is. So being scammed from a game they're not even familiar with and do not even play but have to abide by the rules just to obtain partial mechanics from is rather harsh. They should have made a dev blog of this tbh.
Could not agree with you more and well said. |
joe29140
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:25:00 -
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This is exactly why I refuse to join a corp and I play for the default corp given to players when they first start the game. I mean, really taxes, confusing red tape, corporate backstabbing, and politics become too much. Perhaps it is great for eve, but Dust is a shooter game. Perhaps if people want to become so involved in such things they should run for office in real life. Gamers/Shooters, just want to capture objectives and kill hostiles. This is where Dust fails and looses its player base. I have over a million wp, 10's of millions of isk, and 15K confirmed kills. I play to be social w/ my friends and hope that the game continues, I dislike being questioned about my corp status by squad members who are new in meeting me, but its ok. I play for fun my way w/ my friends and I leave taxes, red tape, and corp decisions for those who want to be politicians. I'll just shoot red dots, cap objectives, and put all isk gained into my own pocket. If my friends need it i'll give it, but i'll not be forced to pay for someone else's suits, ships, or conquests. |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation Zero-Day
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:39:00 -
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Pryke Bastion wrote:From my own perspective, I'm noticing a lot of players have finally come to the realization this pitfall exists. This is an issue that has been known by the playerbase that actively participates in corporate mechanics for a long time. We were prudent, did not expose ourselves, and didn't get corp ganked... yet.
Repairing the damage done by corporate spies "breaks the sandbox" as it was said. Would it be fair for me to come cry on the forum because I didn't know that a superior strategy used by another team wiped me out of PC and now I'm out 60 million isk? Would a Dev refund my isk? "Poor bunny, he didn't know any better." You die, you learn. Hell that should be Dust's slogan lol.
EvE community is going to lose it when they hear of this babying.
I do agree that corp UI programming definitely needs to be first priority. The Dust-EvE link is what makes this game unique, DEVELOP it. Claiming that this game is free-to-play but requiring me to subscribe to a monthly paid game to safely manage my corporation is asinine.
TL/DR : HTFU, stop babying ppl who're n00bs to corp management. And Devs get to work on Dust corp UI. I'm collecting tax from EvE pilots that I can't use unless I promote a EvE director who can take my corp away @.@
You are only assuming it was due to spying and infiltration, instead of broken game mechanics that forces dust players to depond on eve. Any eve director can steal any dust corp, and dust has no defense. If you want to use the analogy of a pc battle, if every time i forced you to fight one that resulted in you automatically forfeiting the cash and clones because i found something in the code you would scream to the devs from here to high heaven. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:55:00 -
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joe29140 wrote:This is exactly why I refuse to join a corp and I play for the default corp given to players when they first start the game. I mean, really taxes, confusing red tape, corporate backstabbing, and politics become too much and take out all the fun for most casual gamers. This is what is in part why the player base has declined. Perhaps it is great for eve, but Dust is a shooter game. Perhaps if people want to become so involved in such things they should run for office in real life and worry about taxes and politics in their own backyard.
Gamers/Shooters, just want to capture objectives and kill hostiles. This is where Dust fails and loses its player base. I have over a million wp, 10's of millions of isk, and 15K confirmed kills. I play to be social w/ my friends and hope that the game continues, I like the large skill trees, specialization, friends, and battles when they work correctly. I dislike being questioned about my corp status by squad members who are new in meeting me, but its ok. I play for fun my way w/ my friends and I leave taxes, red tape, and corp decisions for those who want to be politicians. I'll just shoot red dots, cap objectives, and put all isk gained into my own pocket. If my friends need it i'll give it, but i'll not be forced into politics, paying for someone else's suits, ships, or conquests.
Also, I write this next question with tongue and cheek in mind, but really when did mercenaries become involved in paying taxes for protection to fight for some ego maniacs corp and what mercenaries care about politics? This merc says bs to both. Pay me to fight, and I'll choose if I want to accept the contract. You could make a corp for you and your friends... don't have to do anything special and it gives a private chat for just you guys...
Level 1 Forum Warrior
I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
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joe29140
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.16 18:03:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote: You could make a corp for you and your friends... don't have to do anything special and it gives a private chat for just you guys...
Also to the question, not all of us want to be mercs, some fancy being something more...
Why would I burn precious sp's or spend time creating an alt that I would rarely play just to carry a corp tag and have a "corp chat"? All that we need is what we have a private chat channel.
And what's so great about a corp that would strike my fancy and make me "something more"? It's the things I don't have by not belonging to a corp that make things less complicated, less stressful, and better. I'm not forced to play w/ corp mates when I don't want to, I don't have to pay taxes, I don't have to listen to corp bickering, I can play in any PC battle I get picked up for them w/o worriyng about alliances or factions, and the same goes for contract warfare. So if I'm supposed to fancy "being something more" like most of the other sheep by contributing in the purchase of everyone else's suits, weapons, mods, ships, and clones i'll pass. I think by saying "something more" you mean being a fictional politician and a slave to a corp. I'd rather be a merc who thinks on his own and does more.
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joe29140
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:10:00 -
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joe29140 wrote:[quote=Killar-12] You could make a corp for you and your friends... don't have to do anything special and it gives a private chat for just you guys...
Also to the question, not all of us want to be mercs, some fancy being something more...
Why would I burn precious sp's or spend time creating an alt that I would rarely play just to carry a corp tag and have a "corp chat"? All that we need is what we have a private chat channel. I'd be happy to explain to you how to create a private chat channel w/o being in a corp. Just press select, tab down to create/join channel, name your channel, set a password, invite your friends and walla you're done.
And what's so great about a corp that would strike my fancy and make me "something more"? It's the things I don't have by not belonging to a corp that make things less complicated, less stressful, and better. I'm not forced to play w/ corp mates that I don't like, I don't have to pay taxes, I don't have to listen to corp bickering, I can play in any PC battle I get picked up for them w/o worriyng about alliances or factions, and the same goes for contract warfare. So if I'm supposed to fancy "being something more" like most of the other sheep by contributing taxes to pay for protection to squad w/ others (who often don't respond), contributing to the purchase of everyone else's suits, weapons, mods, ships, and clones i'll pass. I think by saying "something more" you mean being something more as sheep; politicians and slaves to a corp. I'd rather be a merc who thinks on his own and does more.
Also, I didn't expect a reply to my question. Hence the words "tongue and cheek" |
Pryke Bastion
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:19:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Pryke Bastion wrote:From my own perspective, I'm noticing a lot of players have finally come to the realization this pitfall exists. This is an issue that has been known by the playerbase that actively participates in corporate mechanics for a long time. We were prudent, did not expose ourselves, and didn't get corp ganked... yet.
Repairing the damage done by corporate spies "breaks the sandbox" as it was said. Would it be fair for me to come cry on the forum because I didn't know that a superior strategy used by another team wiped me out of PC and now I'm out 60 million isk? Would a Dev refund my isk? "Poor bunny, he didn't know any better." You die, you learn. Hell that should be Dust's slogan lol.
EvE community is going to lose it when they hear of this babying.
I do agree that corp UI programming definitely needs to be first priority. The Dust-EvE link is what makes this game unique, DEVELOP it. Claiming that this game is free-to-play but requiring me to subscribe to a monthly paid game to safely manage my corporation is asinine.
TL/DR : HTFU, stop babying ppl who're n00bs to corp management. And Devs get to work on Dust corp UI. I'm collecting tax from EvE pilots that I can't use unless I promote a EvE director who can take my corp away @.@ You are only assuming it was due to spying and infiltration, instead of broken game mechanics that forces dust players to depend on eve. Any eve director can steal any dust corp, and dust has no defense. If you want to use the analogy of a pc battle, if every time i used an broken game mechanic that forced you to fight one, that resulted in you automatically forfeiting the cash and clones because i found something in the code you would scream to the devs from here to high heaven. Could you imagine the uproar if a Dust player seized entire an Eve corporation and there was nothing EVE could do about it, because CCP deliberately did not code it into EVE, and told no one? CCP forced you to hire a DUST Merc director because you wanted to form an EVE alliance. Now Your entire fleet and all your assets has been seized byt DUST merc. Your members have been kicked. You will do nothing. You do not have a PSN account. You do not own playstation 3. You did not download and play DUST 514. Therefore they are the property of DUST merc. CCP set his up deliberately because shares are too complicated for EVE right now HTFU, yeah right. The would rage at CCP. There would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Sry about the delay, didn't realize there was a reply.
I know for a fact that it was infiltration and the spaiz used legal methods as programmed by the devs. As Free Beers said, Corps were not meant to be introduced to dust but were only instituted after great lobbying by the playerbase. Devs knew there'd be holes and said, "Use at your own risk." This was obvious when we couldn't tax, roles were awkward, etc.
Broken game mechanics is an easy cry flag to raise. I could cry that broken game mechanics make MD and Core grenades win matches of consequence instead of good tactics. Alternatively I could walk into that PC match with the knowledge of as many variables that may contribute to the end result of the match. Many glitches have been exposed though matches and devs have not spoon fed districts back to butt-hurt players b/c they say the other team used a glitched LLAV repper or a kill-mode AR.
If players use the system to their advantage, we should usually say "good game." "Sux that I lost, but you won't get me like that again." Same should go for corp assets. Nothing stops CEOs from educating themselves, even if CCP doesn't do it. I discovered some time in JUNE that this was a security issue and as such was very careful about who got any sort of EvE power.
Coddling those who charge blithely ahead without care or caution imbalances the cause and effect consequences of the sandbox. Any Dust CEO could make a trial account in EvE just to apply to an alliance, or at least vet the ppl he's handing his corp to.
Pryke out.
Chamberlain of GunFall Mobilization
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RAider Vherikor
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.24 21:51:00 -
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joe29140 wrote:Shooters are made for gamers who just want to game. Corps are too much red tape here that drive people away. I'll continue to play though it's free and hope it gets better.
Don't worry, The DUST NPC corps will catch up and get the same 11% NPC corp tax in DUST as well. I look forward to seeing your reaction to forming or joining a corp at that point. |
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joe29140
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:58:00 -
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RAider Vherikor wrote:joe29140 wrote:Shooters are made for gamers who just want to game. Corps are too much red tape here that drive people away. I'll continue to play though it's free and hope it gets better. Don't worry, The DUST NPC corps will catch up and get the same 11% NPC corp tax in DUST as well. I look forward to seeing your reaction to forming or joining a corp at that point.
Actually you're helping me on one of my points, that that the % isk of what dusties make is no where near to the % of isk that Eve players make. My quetions would be where would and how would a dusties 11% tax in an npc corp be used? In any case if the game is still fun for me that far into the future and if they decide to do that, I would then be forced to burn the sp's to make a corps soley for myself, not allowing anyone else in, and I would keep all of my own taxes. I suppose if people are still playing at that point I would have to look at it from the perspective that I'm using 18K in sp's to start a corps for only me. just so over time all of my millions isk gained stays in my own wallet |
Jason-Anthony Testa
Death Firm.
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:36:00 -
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the more i read and learn about this game makes me really want to get involved in it and be active the more involved and active i get in this game the more it makes me want to delete it and go play asteroids......
A Little Violence Never Hurt Anyone!
Benjamin Ruggiero, also known as "Lefty", "Lefty Guns", and "Lefty Two Guns"
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RAider Vherikor
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.01 02:59:00 -
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joe29140 wrote:RAider Vherikor wrote:joe29140 wrote:Shooters are made for gamers who just want to game. Corps are too much red tape here that drive people away. I'll continue to play though it's free and hope it gets better. Don't worry, The DUST NPC corps will catch up and get the same 11% NPC corp tax in DUST as well. I look forward to seeing your reaction to forming or joining a corp at that point. Actually you're helping me on one of my points, that that the % isk of what dusties make is no where near to the % of isk that Eve players make. My quetions would be where would and how would a dusties 11% tax in an npc corp be used? In any case if the game is still fun for me that far into the future and if they decide to do that, I would then be forced to burn the sp's to make a corps soley for myself, not allowing anyone else in, and I would keep all of my own taxes. I suppose if people are still playing at that point I would have to look at it from the perspective that I'm using 18K in sp's to start a corps for only me. just so over time all of my millions isk gained stays in my own wallet
Actually your response doesnt help you because you are using a percentage which is not relevant to overall value. The amount of ISK an EVE pilot makes is far larger and so is the cost of their ships... which are also bought on a mostly free market economy. The ratio of income to ship costs changes as the class of ship goes up. In effect you would be incorrect because the costs of running a T2 cruiser in EVE vs say standard proto gear in DUST puts the EVE Player in a far more costly position.
The tax from an NPC goes towards nothing... its called an ISK sink and it goes back to CCP. Its all the more reason to join a good corp... and get some fun in. |
bundie bitches
RARE850
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Posted - 2013.12.10 01:19:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:joe29140 wrote:This is exactly why I refuse to join a corp and I play for the default corp given to players when they first start the game. I mean, really taxes, confusing red tape, corporate backstabbing, and politics become too much and take out all the fun for most casual gamers. This is what is in part why the player base has declined. Perhaps it is great for eve, but Dust is a shooter game. Perhaps if people want to become so involved in such things they should run for office in real life and worry about taxes and politics in their own backyard.
Gamers/Shooters, just want to capture objectives and kill hostiles. This is where Dust fails and loses its player base. I have over a million wp, 10's of millions of isk, and 15K confirmed kills. I play to be social w/ my friends and hope that the game continues, I like the large skill trees, specialization, friends, and battles when they work correctly. I dislike being questioned about my corp status by squad members who are new in meeting me, but its ok. I play for fun my way w/ my friends and I leave taxes, red tape, and corp decisions for those who want to be politicians. I'll just shoot red dots, cap objectives, and put all isk gained into my own pocket. If my friends need it i'll give it, but i'll not be forced into politics, paying for someone else's suits, ships, or conquests.
Also, I write this next question with tongue and cheek in mind, but really when did mercenaries become involved in paying taxes for protection to fight for some ego maniacs corp and what mercenaries care about politics? This merc says bs to both. Pay me to fight, and I'll choose if I want to accept the contract. You could make a corp for you and your friends... don't have to do anything special and it gives a private chat for just you guys... Also to the question, not all of us want to be mercs, some fancy being something more...
my thoughts exactly, i created a corp with a friend of mine for the sole purpose of us to have fun and that way i will know if some of my other friends are on and want to play. as far as the politics we have none we go in we work as a team we get kills and then we put a little bit of our earnings into one wallet that should one of us need the isk to purchase something and we dont have it on us, boom we have our corp. there to help us out. not to mention the small little perks you get when participating in corp. battles. which i am reluctant to say i havent had the honor of doing just yet. |
Levithunder
Butt Hurt Try Hards Primus Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:10:00 -
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1.8 : ability for CEO's of dust corps to view,join and leave eve made alliances .
OR better yet make alliances ,manage alliances and all of the above even introduce alliance control skill books...... Maybe I should work for ccp I mean you'll work on hit detection five or six times in a year but can't come out with a simple yet HIGHLY RELEVANT tool? COME ONE.
(-í° -£-û -í°) Nerf Me If You Dare.
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Mr m4gic
XSKvLLX
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Posted - 2014.01.11 13:25:00 -
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none of this makes any sense to me i have a corp, i didn't know it had shares or anything like tht. Will we ever be able to access the different wallets in corporation, i transferred isk in a wallet and now it is stuck i cant seem to shift it back either really annoying.
Have you seen my baseball??
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Ku Shala
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
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Posted - 2014.01.16 17:49:00 -
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maybe this should be sent to peple automatically when they start or take over a corp
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Apply today!
For the State
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STOPxPLAYING
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:54:00 -
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Need my character fix and a new respect.For CCp ******* my character.To Whom this may concern?On march 25.Ive gotten about 10mill skill points back out of my Dropsuits command. Now since CC P made a mistake in the sp system. I have to suffer a -1.'207'017 mill in my unallocated skill points and I don't think that's fair. they should not penalize me for their mistake.They should be able to give me my a another dropsuit command respect. Would CCp pls fix my character.And do me/us right? This is bull and alot pepole would agree with me.So I posted a picture of my -1.'207'929 mill skill points.I also dont now how or where to post this in the forums. Im going to post this message everywhere until I get a proper response. Im Also going let every1 see the picture of my all unmedicated skill points on our Facebook page at Fb at "Dust514 14 the third day" Fix My character CCP Or Ban Me!!!! By:STOPxPLAYING |
Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:17:00 -
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STOPxPLAYING wrote:Need my character fix and a new respect.For CCp ******* my character.To Whom this may concern?On march 25.Ive gotten about 10mill skill points back out of my Dropsuits command. Now since CC P made a mistake in the sp system. I have to suffer a -1.'207'017 mill in my unallocated skill points and I don't think that's fair. they should not penalize me for their mistake.They should be able to give me my a another dropsuit command respect. Would CCp pls fix my character.And do me/us right? This is bull and alot pepole would agree with me.So I posted a picture of my -1.'207'929 mill skill points.I also dont now how or where to post this in the forums. Im going to post this message everywhere until I get a proper response. Im Also going let every1 see the picture of my all unmedicated skill points on our Facebook page at Fb at "Dust514 14 the third day" Fix My character CCP Or Ban Me!!!! By:STOPxPLAYING Can you attempt to clarify your issue, I am having trouble following what you have stated...?
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